Feb 032020
 


Harris&Ewing “Slaves reunion DC. Lewis Martin, age 100; Martha Elizabeth Banks, age 104; Amy Ware, age 103; Rev. Simon P. Drew, born free.” c1916

 

China Censors Top Media Outlet That Says It Underreports Cases, Deaths (ZH)
Virus Worries Wipe $420 Billion Off China’s Stock Market (R.)
Chinese Shares Drop 9% (G.)
China’s Sinopec Cuts Feb Daily Refinery Output By 12% As Virus Hits (R.)
Huawei, Chinese Chip Makers Keep Factories Humming Despite Coronavirus (R.)
China’s Reaction To The Coronavirus Outbreak Violates Human Rights (G.)
The Democrats’ New Online Troll Fighters Make 2020 Debut In Iowa (CNN)
Democrats Need to Break Their Cold War–Addled Impeachment Fever (Maté)
The Real John Bolton (CP)
Punxsutawney Phil Predicts Early Spring (Slate)

 

As the US and China accuse each other of, respectively, not accepting help and not offering it, numbers continue to rise. Just like doubts about the accuracy of the official numbers from Beijing do. Here are the official numbers:

• 17,480 cases (+2930 from yesterday’s 14,550)

• 362 deaths (+57 from yesterday’s 305)

• 11 U.S. confirmed infected

 

 

Also, the Lancet paper I’ve been citing a lot lately by Gabriel Leung and his team says “We estimated that if there was no reduction in transmissibility, the Wuhan epidemic would peak around April, 2020, and local epidemics across cities in mainland China would lag by 1–2 weeks.”

That would mean another 3 months. Mobility is a factor, mind you, as the graph shows, though a minor one. But imagine the Chinese economy being on lockdown for another 3 months. Where will OPEC sell their oil? Where will WalMart buy its supply? What will happen to the Chinese confined to their homes and/or cities? Will there be a global economy left?

 


Epidemic forecasts for Wuhan and five other Chinese cities under different scenarios of reduction in transmissibility and inter-city mobility

 

 

 

This is why I wrote yesterday’s The Party and the Virus. Question is when will the rest of the world increase pressure on China for real numbers? Will that first take multiple deaths in Europe or the US?

China Censors Top Media Outlet That Says It Underreports Cases, Deaths (ZH)

Let’s be honest, do you think China is reporting the actual coronavirus cases and deaths? After all, Beijing has been the master of falsifying its economic growth figures for years, what makes you think they’ll change in the reporting of the deadly virus outbreak? Balaji S. Srinivasan, angel investor and entrepreneur, also former CTO of Coinbase, tweeted Saturday that a top news organization in China, Caijing, had one of their articles banned by Beijing after it noted Chinese officials were significantly underreporting coronavirus confirmed cases and deaths, especially among the elderly. Srinivasan said, “If half the claims in this article are true, #nCoV2019 seems to have completely overloaded Wuhan’s healthcare system. It appears particularly deadly for the elderly. But this 45-year-old had to be anesthetized and intubated in order to breathe.”

“In the past two days, he had seen a 45-year-old patient, a family of five, his parents had died of the new coronavirus pneumonia, and his son was infected. The patient’s condition was very serious. She used high-flow oxygen inhalation and non-invasive mask ventilation, but her blood oxygen saturation was only 50%. Finally, she had to be anesthetized and intubated with ECMO. “Before intubation and anesthesia, she watched us prepare, tears kept flowing down, and that fear made people feel very distressed,” said Shen Jun. There are still many cases like this, “Our doctors have made a decision Determined to do everything possible to treat all patients,” Caijing wrote.

Srinivasan points out that the Chinese newspaper found hospitals in Wuhan and elsewhere were intentionally recording coronavirus deaths as “general pneumonia” to keep the death count low. The article also notes test kits for the virus were in low supply, which allowed those who were infected, to continue their daily lives during a 7-10-day incubation period, enabling the virus to spread even more. The healthcare system was so overloaded in Wuhan, which forced hospital officials to send the dying home; hospitals didn’t have enough beds to house the sick. “Caijing understands that at least five suspected deaths at the hospital have not been diagnosed, so it does not count towards the confirmed deaths. This means that the number of confirmed and fatal cases that people can see at present does not fully reflect the full picture of the epidemic,” the article noted.

And then there’s this, from SixthTone’s David Paulk: “The 8 people detained in Wuhan for “spreading rumors” — who we wrote about in a Jan. 2 article that was censored — were doctors trying to raise the alarm about a new SARS-like virus.” We leave the last word to Zeng Guang, the chief scientist of epidemiology at China’s CDC, who, on Jan. 29 made a rare candid admission about why Chinese officials cannot tell people the truth in an interview with the state-run tabloid Global Times: “The officials need to think about the political angle and social stability in order to keep their positions,” which is all one needs to know about any “facts” coming out of China.

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“More than 2,500 stocks fell by the daily limit of 10%.”

Virus Worries Wipe $420 Billion Off China’s Stock Market (R.)

Investors erased $420 billion from China’s benchmark stock index on Monday, sold the yuan and dumped commodities as fears about the spreading coronavirus and its economic impact drove selling on the first day of trade in China since the Lunar New Year. The market slide came even as the central bank poured cash in to the financial system – a show of support for the economy -and despite apparent regulatory moves to curb selling. The total number of deaths in China from the coronavirus rose to 361 as of Sunday. It had stood at 17 when Chinese markets last traded on Jan. 23. By lunchtime, the benchmark Shanghai Composite index sat 8% lower near an almost one-year trough and poised to post its worst day in more than four years.


The yuan opened at its weakest level in 2020 and slid almost 1.2%, past the symbolic 7-per-dollar level CNY=, as the falls soured the mood in markets throughout Asia. Shanghai-traded oil, iron ore, copper and soft commodities contracts all posted sharp drops, catching up with sliding global prices. The new virus has created alarm because it is spreading quickly, much about it is unknown, and authorities’ drastic response is likely to drag on economic growth. “This will last for some time,” said Iris Pang, Greater China economist at ING. “It’s uncertain whether factory workers, or how many of them, will return to their factories,” she said. “We haven’t yet seen corporate earnings since the (spread of the) coronavirus. Restaurants and retailers may have very little sales.” More than 2,500 stocks fell by the daily limit of 10%.

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Fluid, but 9% seems right.

Chinese Shares Drop 9% (G.)

Stock markets in China have seen the biggest daily fall for five years as traders rushed to sell amid continued fears about the impact on the global economy of the coronavirus epidemic. The benchmark Shanghai composite index fell 8.7% on Monday on a wave of negative sentiment that has built up for 10 days during the long market shutdown for the lunar new year. The Shenzhen composite was off 9.1% and dangerously close to the daily maximum permitted fall of 10% after which trading is suspended. The yuan fell through the seven-to-the-US-dollar mark for the first time since December. The losses were the worst on the Chinese markets since 2015 although they pared back slightly later in the day to 7.7%. [..]

Chinese authorities have reeled off a series of measures to tackle the market panic. On Sunday they announced they flood the financial system with 1.2 trillion yuan (US$170bn) in extra liquidity, a measure designed to buy up securities from investors seeking to sell. On Monday the People’s Bank of China – the country’s central bank – lowered the interest rate it charges banks for short-term funding upon which many banks rely to remain trading. Capital Economics said that while the move might take some pressure off the banks the rate cut was not enough to offset the drag on economic activity from the coronavirus outbreak and that more rate cuts were therefore on the way.

The growing fears about the Chinese economy also prompted the finance ministry to subsidies on interest payments for some companies hit by the coronavirus outbreak, state-run newspaper Guangming Daily said. [..] Many economists are predicting that the coronavirus will have a significant impact on the Chinese economy. Many businesses have been shut as part of the lockdown to contain the virus while most overseas airlines have suspended flights to the country and Chinese people are now banned from travelling overseas. Goldman Sachs has forecast that the virus could knock Chinese growth down to 5.5% for the year, from 6.1% in 2019, with knockon effects for the rest of the world economy. Economists at Citigroup said the steps taken by Chinese authorities were “unlikely” to be enough to prevent a sharp downturn in the first quarter.

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Bloomberg claims Chinese oil demand is down 20%.

China’s Sinopec Cuts Feb Daily Refinery Output By 12% As Virus Hits (R.)

China’s Sinopec Corp, Asia’s largest refiner, is cutting throughput this month by around 600,000 barrels per day (bpd) as the rapidly spreading coronavirus hits fuel demand, four people with knowledge of the matter said on Monday. The cut is equivalent to roughly 12% of the state refiner’s average daily throughput last year. Sinopec asked refineries last Friday to cut production and gave plants different reduction targets based on local fuel demand and logistics, the sources told Reuters. They declined to be named as they are not authorized to speak to media. Sinopec is closely monitoring the changing market situations and stands ready to ensure supplies, the refiner said in an email to Reuters.


“Company is closely monitoring the changing market situations, and will optimize operation rates and product mix based on market demand,” the company said, without commenting directly on the throughput cut rates. The four sources estimated cuts of about 2.5 million tonnes in total, equal to about 600,000 bpd on average, for February. One plant in eastern Jiangsu province is lowering runs by 10%, while a plant in Tianjin, near Beijing, is cutting throughput by 20%, two people with direct knowledge of the plants’ operations said. A plant manager with a central-China based Sinopec refinery said his plant has since Friday lowered processing rates to 60% of capacity. He said his plant was operating at near full rates before the cut.

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Total lockdown, except for…

Huawei, Chinese Chip Makers Keep Factories Humming Despite Coronavirus (R.)

Some Chinese technology firms are continuing to manufacture parts and products despite government calls across various cities and provinces for work to be halted as Being seeks to stop the spread of the coronavirus ravaging the country. Chinese telecom giant Huawei said on Monday it had resumed production of goods including consumer devices and carrier equipment, and operations are running normally. The company restarted manufacturing in line with a special exemption that allows certain critical industries to remain in operation, despite Beijing’s call to halt all work in some cities and provinces. The spokesman said most of the production was in Dongguan, a city in the southern Guangdong province.


Other companies have also kept production running, in some cases even through Chinese New Year, in a sign of the critical importance Beijing places on its domestic tech supply chain, a subject of friction with the United States Yangtze Memory Technologies, a state-backed maker of flash memory chips based in Wuhan – the city where the virus outbreak originated – confirmed on Monday that it has not yet ceased production. “At present, production and operations at YMTC are proceeding normally and in an orderly manner,” a company spokesman wrote in a statement on Monday. The spokesman added that no factory employees have been confirmed as infection cases, and that the company has enacted certain isolation measures and partitions to ensure the safety of employees. State media reported that the chip maker did not cease operations over the Lunar New Year holiday.

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Are we going to argue that keeping borders open does not violate human rights?

China’s Reaction To The Coronavirus Outbreak Violates Human Rights (G.)

When the World Health Organization declared the 2019nCoV coronavirus outbreak a global health emergency, it effusively praised China’s response to the outbreak. The WHO issued a statement welcoming the government’s “commitment to transparency”, and the WHO director general, Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, tweeted: “China is actually setting a new standard for outbreak response.” The WHO is ignoring Chinese government suppression of human rights regarding the outbreak, including severe restrictions on freedom of expression. In turn, Chinese state media are citing the WHO to defend its policies and try to silence criticism of its response to the outbreak, which has included rights violations that could make the situation worse.

China’s response to the outbreak included a month-long government cover-up in Wuhan, the centre of the outbreak, that led to the rapid spread of the coronavirus. Local authorities publicly announced that no new cases had been detected between 3-16 January in the lead up to a major Communist party meeting, likely to suppress “bad news”. Despite early evidence of human-to-human transmission when medical staff became infected, this information was not relayed to the public for weeks. Hardly a “commitment to transparency”. Chinese police punished frontline doctors for “spreading rumours” for trying to warn the public in late December. Police are still engaged in a campaign to detain Chinese netizens for spreading so-called “rumours”.

Rumours included reports of potential cases, including people turned away from hospitals or dying without ever being tested and quickly cremated, criticism of the government, the distribution of masks, or the criticism of the discrimination of people from Wuhan or others who may be infected. Activists have been threatened with jail if they share foreign news articles or post on social media about the coronavirus outbreak. That the Chinese government can lock millions of people into cities with almost no advance notice should not be considered anything other than terrifying. The residents of Wuhan had no time to buy food, medicine, or other essentials. Authorities hastily announced the lockdown in the middle of the night with an eight-hour gap before it went into effect, giving people time to flee and thus raising questions on the rationale for such extreme measures.

[..] The international community should support all efforts to end this outbreak, but human rights should not be a casualty to the coronavirus crisis. The WHO declares that core principles of human rights and health includes accountability, equality and non-discrimination and participation. It even acknowledges that “participation is important to accountability as it provides … checks and balances which do not allow unitary leadership to exercise power in an arbitrary manner”. The WHO’s admiration for the unitary actions of the Chinese dictator Xi Jinping exercising power in an arbitrary manner is a direct contradiction of its own human rights principles.

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DNC and CNN are even regurgitating Mueller.

Twitter comment: “Brace yourself, the DNC is launching its troll army (branded as “troll fighters”) headed by a former Hillary staffer to counter “disinformation”. If you use the word “rigged”, they will come after you. Get ready to be called a Russian all over again.”

The Democrats’ New Online Troll Fighters Make 2020 Debut In Iowa (CNN)

Days after the 2016 Iowa caucuses, the instructions were clear. “[U]se any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump — we support them),” they read. The guidance had been circulated among a group of Russians who were covertly running a vast network of social media accounts seeking to divide Democrats and push the candidacy of Donald Trump. (The instructions were later found during special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.) Four years later, unhappy with Silicon Valley’s efforts to curb the manipulation of its platforms, the Democratic Party has developed capabilities of its own to monitor and tackle online disinformation.

The first-in-the-nation caucuses here Monday will be the Democrats’ first 2020 test of its new team on a day when voters have their say. The effort reflects Democrats’ growing discontent with Silicon Valley executives like Mark Zuckerberg and highlights concerns that viral disinformation could have an impact on this year’s election. “It’s like algorithmic wars here, it’s kind of crazy,” a Democratic National Committee staffer who works on the Democrats’ new counter disinformation team said on Saturday as preparations were underway in Des Moines. The staffer asked not to be identified due to the nature of their work and possibly being subjected to online harassment themselves.

“Both Republicans and foreign actors, like Russia, have an incentive to divide the American electorate and may try to use the Iowa Caucus to further that goal,” the DNC wrote in a “counter disinformation update” sent to campaigns on Thursday. Among the new weapons in the Democrats’ online arsenal is a monitoring tool called “Trendolizer.” When stories from websites known to peddle misinformation mention candidates and begin getting shares on social media, Trendolizer detects it and an alert is sent to the relevant campaigns. Another tool built in-house at the DNC monitors Twitter traffic. On Monday, it’ll watch for misinformation about how and where to caucus. Variations of the word “rigged” had been loaded into system when CNN was shown it Saturday — attempts to undermine legitimate vote results using disinformation is something Democrats are watching out for.

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Today is closing argumants in the Senate “trial”. One more chance for Schiff to take revenge on the entire world, including Jerry Nadler, and repeat the same old points another 20 times. And announce a “surprise” subpoena for John Bolton in the House.

Democrats Need to Break Their Cold War–Addled Impeachment Fever (Maté)

Sondland, according to Schiff’s account, told Yermak, “You ain’t getting the money until you do the investigations.” But both Sondland and Yermak offer a radically different account. According to Sondland, he told Yermak in “a very, very brief pull-aside conversation,” that he “didn’t know exactly why” the military funding was held up, and that its linkage to opening an investigation was only his “personal presumption” in the absence of an explanation from Trump. Yermak does not even recall the issue of the frozen aid being mentioned. To overcome that, Schiff has gone to the extraordinary step of arguing that it’s not just Sondland who is lying but the Ukrainians as well. “Like they’re going to admit they were being shaken down by the president of the United States,” Schiff told the proceedings.

Sure, that’s one possibility, but it is also wildly speculative. Ukrainian officials say they did not learn about the weapons freeze until it was publicly reported more than one month after the Trump-Zelensky call. And even after they did find out, and even voiced concerns to their US counterparts, there is no record of any complaints about the alleged linkage. As Democratic Senator Chris Murphy recalled of a meeting with Zelensky in early September—after the funding freeze became known—the Ukrainian president “did not make any connection between the aid that had been cut off and the requests that he was getting from [Trump attorney Rudy] Giuliani.”

House impeachment managers have not overcome this evidentiary flaw. They have tried to claim that the White House effectively admitted to their allegation in an October 2019 news conference by acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney. But as I detailed back when Mulvaney’s comments initially caused a stir, Democrats and media outlets pundits rendered them as damning by isolating one fragment and ignoring the bulk of what Mulvaney said.

The absence of concrete evidence explains the last-minute excitement over compelling the potential testimony of another Trump administration official, former national security adviser John Bolton. A New York Times report about Bolton’s forthcoming memoir led to declarations that Bolton confirmed the quid pro quo allegation at the heart of the impeachment trial. As in other cases, that is based on a mistaken and maximalist interpretation of the available facts. The Times did not quote from Bolton’s manuscript. In its characterization of what Bolton wrote, the Times reports that Bolton said Trump “preferred sending no assistance to Ukraine until officials had turned over all materials they had about the Russia investigation that related to Mr. Biden and supporters of Mrs. Clinton in Ukraine”.

If this account is accurate, then Bolton is not confirming that Trump conditioned military assistance to Ukraine’s announcement of an investigation into Joe Biden and his son. Instead, Bolton is relaying that Trump “preferred” that Ukraine assist efforts to uncover the extent of Ukrainian meddling to hurt Trump’s campaign and help Democrats in 2016—meddling that did in fact happen. Recall that Trump is not on trial for preferring that Ukraine hand “over all materials they had about the Russia investigation,” but for pressuring Ukraine to announce an investigation of Trump’s political rival.

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Dems’ new favorite boy.

The Real John Bolton (CP)

It isn’t enough for the corporate media to praise John Bolton for his timely manuscript that confirms Donald Trump’s explicit linkage between military aid to Ukraine and investigations into his political foe Joe Biden. As a result, the media have made John Bolton a “man of principle,” according to the Washington Post, and a fearless infighter for the “sovereignty of the United States.” Writing in the Post, Kathleen Parker notes that Bolton isn’t motivated by the money he will earn from his book (in the neighborhood of $2 million), but that he is far more interested in “saving his legacy.” Perhaps this is a good time to examine that legacy. Bolton, who used student deferments and service in the Maryland National Guard to avoid serving in Vietnam, is a classic Chicken Hawk.

He supported the Vietnam War and continues to support the war in Iraq. Bolton endorsed preemptive military strikes in North Korea and Iran in recent years, and lobbied for regime change in Cuba, Iran, Libya, North Korea, Syria, Venezuela, and Yemen. When George W. Bush declared an “axis of evil” in 2002 consisting of Iran, Iraq, and North Korea, Bolton added an equally bizarre axis of Cuba, Libya, and Syria. When Bolton occupied official positions at the Department of State and the United Nations, he regularly ignored assessments of the intelligence community in order to make false arguments regarding weapons of mass destruction in the hands of Cuba and Syria in order to promote the use of force.

When serving as President Bush’s Undersecretary of State for Arms Control and Disarmament, Bolton ran his own intelligence program, issuing white papers on WMD that lacked support within the intelligence community. He used his own reports to testify to congressional committees in 2002 in effort to justify the use of military force against Iraq. Bolton presented misinformation to the Congress on a Cuban biological weapons program. When the CIA challenged the accuracy of Bolton’s information in 2003, he was forced to cancel a similar briefing on Syria. In a briefing to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 2005, the former chief of intelligence at the Department of State, Carl Ford, referred to Bolton as a “serial abuser” in his efforts to pressure intelligence analysts. Ford testified that he had “never seen anybody quite like Secretary Bolton…in terms of the way he abuses his power and authority with little people.”

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Luckily there’s still important news going on.

Punxsutawney Phil Predicts Early Spring (Slate)

Across much of the United States, many have been enjoying a mild winter. And if the world’s most famous groundhog is to be believed, the trend will continue and there will be an early spring. In fact, on Sunday morning, Punxsutawney Phil declared that early spring “is a certainty.” Well, obviously the groundhog didn’t actually declare anything but that didn’t matter to the thousands of people who gathered at sunrise on Sunday to watch as Phil emerged from his den in Punxsutawney, Pa. The groundhog allegedly did not see his shadow, according to members of his “inner circle,” meaning there will be an early spring. According to legend, if he had seen his shadow it would have signified six more weeks of winter.


[..] Since Phil’s weather-predicting career began in 1887, he has seen his shadow 104 times and has failed to see it on a mere 20 instances (a few years are missing from the official record). That makes this year’s prediction relatively rare and marks the first time Phil hasn’t seen his shadow two years in a row. Phil’s forecast “seems fitting considering the lack of winter weather this winter so far,” notes the Washington Post. But truth be told, Phil doesn’t have the best track record. From 2010-2019, Phil predicted a longer winter seven times and an early spring three times. He was right only 40 percent of the time, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. He has been on a particularly poor streak lately as Phil got it wrong the past three years.

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  • #53437
    zerosum
    Participant

    The number are 10,000 out of 13,000,000
    I encounter some of those 13,000,000
    I survived the encounter 🙂

    #53438
    boscohorowitz
    Participant
    #53439
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    “The number are 10,000 out of 13,000,000”

    I was going by the rough population of the USA. Must’ve picked the wrong country.

    Out of 13 million it’s 1300 who dies of the flu per that stat..

    “I survived the encounter ”

    It’s nice to be lucky.

    I’ve had a case of the flu. Whole family did. Wicked shyte, oy vey. We survived.

    Some influenzas are worse than others. Some people are stronger than others. Some years find us stronger and more resistant than others. The very nature of such statistics is a description of one’s chances at being more lucky or more unlucky.

    With the coronavirus, the long latency period is the kicker. A vector can infect dozxens of people before real;izing they’re sick. That increases the number of people who toss their dice against the 2% rate.

    The reason I take this so seriously is because our economy in the States is based on people interacting with people, typically in closed buildings moving the air rapidly. This time of year up north, the air usually very dry inside such places, even in soggy old Portland.

    The only way to keep the size of that 2% from reaching painfully large proportions (like a proportion that touches you or a loved one) is to clamp down on contact. It’s an economic shutdown, that process. In a nation where people can’t afford to miss a week much less a month of work. In an economy based on ‘just enough/just in time’ inventory dependent on massive importation, particularly from Pacific Rim nations. In a society raised on immunization and junk food. Not exactly the most robust immune system profile belongs to the USA population, I should think, or Euromerica in general.

    There’s only one way the USA government can deal effectively with such circumstances, and that is something resembling martial law. That thing we tend to speak of as if it is unique to China for some reason although our history is rife with same.

    #53440
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    Something tells me this guy won’t be among any coronaviral 2%:

    Time’s Always Leaving

    #53441
    zerosum
    Participant

    hahahahaha!
    He must be the lone survivor of the coronavirus, dancing with joy.

    #53442
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    Checking back, I see you were referencing the USA with that 10K mortality rate (which has to be an avberage of flus over many years, I would think).

    If the 13k figure you cite is the number of reported cases, than your logic is off. That’s for influenzas in a nation with annual vaccine programs so popular they’re now demonized fore not being perfect. If all 300 million USA folks contracted the average flu, that would mean that roughly 240,000 people would die.

    That’s with a 0.1% fatality rate. With a 2% mortality rate like the coronavirus, the death rate if every person contracted the coronavirus would be 240K times 10 times 2. About 5 million people. Now, that mortality rate is currently based mostly on people who receive intensive hospital care. We know we have only a small fraction of the hospital resources needed to provide all serious infections. We have only a small fraction of resources needed to assess how serious an infection might be. We have only a small fracrtion of resources to even determine who has it even if they’re coughing and feeling lousy.

    And that’s just those who die (under maximum infection rates, which won’t happen, so this is worst case scenario). Let’s cut the infection rate down to 1 out of five. Just 60 million people infected, and 1 million dead. But 60 million people suffering the flu in a few month’s time is an economy killer.

    This thing looks pretty big. During an insane political season. With lunatics in the Pentagon prevented from kicking off something uncomfortably close to WWIII prevented from doing so by a lunatic-in-charge. With wacko weather regardless of whether its “noram” or not: it’s currently wacko. With the USA dollar held up by FED prayers and digital data representing imaginary wealth everyone needs to believe in else they’ll learn that the emperor and themselves are naked.

    I’d say that this is the year that the USA lost whatever it still retains of its global colossus crown and learns to live within its means, primarily by seeing up close how much dying can happen when you blow that much smoke up your ass for this long.

    #53443
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    “With wacko weather regardless of whether its “noram” or not:”

    Uh, normal. I’ll be glad when I’m no longer Mr. Mucus Head. Fucks with my typing andthe patience needed for proper proofreading.

    #53444
    hostebbe
    Participant

    This study https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374803/ seems to suggest that pretty near everything we are told about influenza and pandemics is made-up bullshit.

    #53445
    zerosum
    Participant

    OPPPS! There are other flues
    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/4-plagues-are-marching-across-asia-simultaneously-coronavirus-african-swine-fever-h5n1-bird

    4 Plagues Are Marching Across Asia Simultaneously: Coronavirus, African Swine Fever, H5N1 Bird Flu And H1N1 Swine Flu


    February 2, 2020 by Michael Snyder
    Meanwhile, three other plagues have also been marching across Asia, and most people in the western world don’t even realize that this is happening. What I am about to share with you in this article is quite chilling, and the months ahead will be very dark if these plagues continue to spread.
    Coronavirus,,,, African Swine Fever,… H5N1 Bird Flu… And H1N1 Swine Flu

    It has been estimated that one out of every four pigs in the entire world has already died, and this crisis is far from over.

    According to the Reuters report, Chinese authorities have already culled 17,828 poultry in the wake of the outbreak.

    Unlike African Swine Fever, humans can become infected by the H5N1 bird flu.

    And according to the World Health Organization, the mortality rate for human cases is approximately 60 percent.

    So let us hope that this current outbreak remains limited to chickens.

    #53446
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    “He must be the lone survivor of the coronavirus, dancing with joy.”

    Looking for a girl. Raiswe some kids, start a new religion. Like he should oughta:

    Bless Your Hearts

    #53447
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    “It has been estimated that one out of every four pigs in the entire world has already died, and this crisis is far from over.”

    It sucks to be a non-hominid fleshy animal these days. We argue whether the holocaust happened while we run a gazzillion sentient beings through terrifying food factories before running them through terrifying death factories. Like I often say, how conveninet it was during the Final Solution to have all those cattle cars available for transporting humans to death factories.

    As we treat the least among us, so we treat each other.

    I don’t fear death. I fear losing my soul before I die in this soulless world.

    bones

    #53448
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    re: The Economic Collapse blog. *sigh* Rapturology gives me hives. God is someone to pray to in faith, not use as a sock puppet from your scripture of choice.

    You know, crap like this:

    “It will never be acceptable for any U.S. president to try to divide up the land of Israel. That land was given to the people of Israel by the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and any politician that attempts to carve up the land will only find himself fighting against God.”

    It’s kind of hard to hear the still small voice with all these people bellowing about What God Wants/Plans etc.

    No wonder so many people feel like this guy. I can hardly blame them:

    Failed Christian

    #53449
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    “…seems to suggest that pretty near everything we are told about influenza and pandemics is made-up bullshit.”

    I’d emphasize “seems to”. There’s ample ambiguity in something as new as modern epidemic statistics methodology. Calling it made up bullshit is more than a bit harsh. I’d consider the article (which I skim read on certain hot-button terms like vaccines) itself an ambiguous extrapolation that one should take with several grains of salt, as one should all such statistical analysis involving open systems like populations, microbe populations, vaccines, transportation, housing, genetic predispositions, hospital access, etc., etc., etc.

    It’s a new science, and new sciences are rife with errors, but also rife with previoopusly unavailable data, axioms, concepts, and conclusions.

    #53450
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    This study https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374803/ seems to suggest that pretty near everything we are told about influenza and pandemics is made-up bullshit.
    hostebbe

    Yeah, how about that? Che’ surprise…
    But it sure gets people posting non-sense a-go-go…blech…

    #53451
    John Day
    Participant

    I’ve read every comment yesterday and today to catch up. I hope your mucous gets thinner, Bosco. Dr D, it seems like a really excellent biofinancial warfare attack, with the special case that Chinese and Canadian labs had the same virus, with minimal time lapse, so almost identical, so it really could have been either. Canadian=American when it comes to this kind of thing. I posted my theory of how the Wuhan virus could have been sprung on Wuhan using local folks, which is a much better attack, if you can pull it off, on TAE first, but it’s here on yesterday’s blog entry. http://www.johndayblog.com/2020/02/first-bad-news.html
    Global militaries have been hep to this modified coronavirus thing for awhile. SARS got attention, and funding.
    Dave Note, you’ve been reading much of the stuff I have been reading.
    Flu-not-so-bad meme seems about right, thanks for link.
    We do have health systems in America, our own immune systems. Get fresh vegetables, sunshine, rest, daily activity, love, don’t smoke and don’t be afraid to die.
    Measles sucks really bad. It and smallpox cleared the Americas for good European Christians and their trying to catch up white slaves, followed by black slaves.
    I had measles, and it was the most incessantly miserable i have been in my life, which has included lots of injuries, appendicitis and malaria. My grandmother survived the 1918 flu, and some other bad stuff, earlier, when she was a missionary kid in China. She lived to be 96, and suffered the last 3 years. Tough woman. She died of cancer at home on New Year’s Day 2000, by force of will. Born and died in dragon year.
    I’m not personally afraid of dying, so if this Wuhan virus gets here, I’m going to volunteer for front line stuff, like home visits, whatever is happening in Austin. I’d rather get it earlier, take a few weeks off, and come back to work invulnerable, and keep at it, in whatever the highest acuity setting is by then.
    Watch this Gilead drug, Remdesivir, They are using it in a big clinical trial in Wuhan now. Gilead is a good company. They dominate the hepatitis-C drug market. They have good antiviral researchers, and good manufacturing. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-03/gilead-drug-to-undergo-human-trials-in-china-to-cure-coronavirus

    #53452
    WES
    Participant

    Dave Note:. I have seen a comment from a doctor saying 25% of coronavirus patients need serious treatment to survive! So your 20% sounds accurate! This what they are really hiding!

    Obviously without serious treatment the death toll could be as high as 25%!

    Western governments are not saying so but their actions to quarantine for 2 weeks says a lot!

    #53462
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    Bullhsit

    This is the FB meme on coronavirus I mentioned earlier.

    #53467
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    German measles aka rubella virus

    In the late 50s, I fought this thing over and over to the point the doctors gave me a tonsillectomy at 2 & 1/2 years old. (Probably cuz how the lymph nodes act up?) For whatever reason, the recurrent relapses stopped. (My earliest childhood memory is being in that hospital, and the memories are fun: escaping from giant metal ribbed cribs to run rampant with my buddy in the sickward until I’d run smack into a pair of white-stockinged nurse’s knees and get put back in the crib. Probably it was the adventurous fun that healed me of recurrent rubella?)

    By the late 60s, vaccination programs in the USA against rubella virus coincided with a massive decline in rubella infections in the USA. Just one of many cultural props sustaining our over-burgeoning population. I find it amusing how people blame vaccines for autism rather than the enormous increase and intensification of information and stimuli overloading certain kinds of minds.

    Being “on the spectrum” 300 years ago wasn’t such a big deal, I suspect. Your brain wasn’t constantly bombarded by deliberately invasive information like ads, squealing L-train wheels, cars roaring by whenever you leave your house, going to school with a buncha squally brats your age while a teacher forces you to focus on boring shit… seems like Isaac Newton, for example, was fairly Aspergersoid, but he wasn’t raised in frony of a TV and then shoved into public school.

    If this coronavirus is the result of intentionally releasing a weaponized microbe, this indicates staggering stupidity on the part of those giving the orders. It’s like deciding to use a boomerang to deliver a nuclear warhead.

    #53468
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    Something in our favor is our obsession with cars and privacy. While cars are a disaster and our privacy is de facto social alienation that is dissolving societal bonds, they do reduce intimate vector crossings compared to public transportation. One reason the Spanish flu was so bad was people living in crowded tenements, gobs of guys crammed into Army barracks, the dominant prevalence of public transport, etc.

    However, we offset this somewhat by increasingly having plain old MD offices in the same giant megaplex building housing local hospitals. Portland’s OHSU is monstrous and incompetent, and also naturally packs sick people together in shared breathing spaces, including elevators. See below:

    OHSU

    And we like to drive our cars to buildings where low-paid workers, who often live in more crowded quarters than not, make food and hand it to us out of windows. Unless we’ve got some spare jingle and go to The Olive Garden, which kind of establishment is a natural vectoral node for anything spread by contact or airborne transmission.

    These modern tendencies also make it harder to track down and isolate contagions outbreak locations: everyone/everything’s a moving target that periodically gathers in groups in small quarters where microbes run rampant.

    #53470
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    Not to mention the risk of going blind in the all-seeing eye surrounded by the hair in your palm:

    “Risky masturbation kills 80 to 100 Germans a year, claims a Brandenburg physician who is shining a light on the unpredictable and often clandestine killer. Dr. Harald Voss estimates that one to two people per one million inhabitants are killed by risky masturbation techniques annually, all of them in search of an elevated experience that the vast majority already deem quite satisfactory.

    “Asphyxiation is cited as the most common form of masturbation death, says Voss, along with electric shock, however it’s difficult to get a truly accurate reading of just how many people have lost their lives this way… for a number of reasons.”

    You’ll Shoot Your Eye Out!

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