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Claude Monet Misty Morning on the Seine 1897



When the covid virustime started, we were told by everyone with a microphone to “follow the science”. But 16 months or so in, we’re not following the science, yet no-one calls us on it. What happened? Where did we lose the thread, where did we lose our heads, where did the science go?

Did we lose it because the vaccine makers got too greedy, or because politicians became too panicky, or because the media realized that scaring the living daylights out of people 24/7 is great for ratings? Or just because we ourselves lost track of what was really going on?

Injecting hundreds of millions of people with substances that have never been properly tested – for which long-established protocols have existed for a long time – is about as unscientific as it gets. Then when you realize there’s no evidence that they keep injectees from being infected or infecting others, but only makes them -hopefully- a little less sick, you might as well stop right there.

From a science point of view, you’re engaging in either a useless enterprise or a giant gamble with people’s health. Both utterly unscientific endeavors, any scientist can tell you that.

Then, when you hear, from the UK government, no less, that only 66% of people can ever be successfully vaccinated and may be protected with the present vaccines, which still leaves out those who don’t want these vaccines, what are you going to think and do?

Shouldn’t you perhaps focus on the fact that over 4 out of 5 people have an immune system that provides them with “adaptive cross-immunity”, meaning they are not at risk of dying or even serious disease? Why would you instead turn to experimental substances that risk putting those immune systems themselves at risk?

Which part of this is us following the science? Why haven’t we seen huge campaigns aimed at making us healthier, and boosting our immune systems? What part of that would be “not following the science”? It’s not as if we don’t know how to boost our immune systems, or for that matter how to make us overall healthier then we are today.

Moreover, the effect of lockdowns is highly debatable -even if such debates are stifled-, as is the effect of facemasks always and everywhere. And, obviously, that of untested “vaccines”. We have the science, mankind has been through epidemics through its entire history, and it’s not as if scientists have never learned anything from that history.

It’s just that we seem to be changing the meaning of the word “science” to mean an industry, and corporations, that produce novel chemicals, as well as societies that do things, lockdowns, masks, that have never been used in the way they have been the past year.

And that is very risky. If people like Geert VanDenBossche are only half right when they say mass-vaccination during a pandemic will only -and inevitably- speed up the ability of an endemic virus to mutate into forms that evade the vaccines, it’s woman and children first. Well, either that or old and overweight men.

I’ve written a lot on the topic over the past year and a half, obviously, and it doesn’t feel all that great to repeat talking points, but I keep finding it difficult to understand why our 21st century world calls for us to follow the science, only to turn its back on that science the very next moment.

And for simply asking that, I risk being vilified. Like some kind of heretic. But as someone said, I think it was Roger Hodkinson, we cannot afford to stifle dissenting voices in this situation, because the discussion they start might be the very step we need to find a way out. We can’t afford to not ask questions.

To just say get your jab and don’t say or ask a word appears to be the most reckless thing we can do. Even if the alleged “vaccines” would do better at protecting us than the present science has evidence for, that would still be only in -the richer- part of the world, while the virus can run rampage in the rest.

As we can still, though you won’t hear anything about this from your media -local or global- or your politicians, strengthen immune systems sufficiently to make the worst threat of Covid go away.

The virus may kill the some of weakest amongst us, the obese, those with co-morbidities, and the elderly, but many other things, like the flu, can -and do- do that too, yet we have never paralyzed our societies and social lives because of those things. While we have zero evidence that the present vaccines, or whatever you call them, will solve these issues.

It doesn’t look to me like we are following the science at all. We’re following something alright, but not that. If and when the vaccine makers themselves state they have no proof their chemicals protect against infection, yet everyone starts opening up their stores and theaters and what have you, but only to the “vaccinated”, I’m at a loss for words.




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    Claude Monet Misty Morning on the Seine 1897     When the covid virustime started, we were told by everyone with a microphone to “follow the
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    Mister Roboto

    It really is turning into a sort of “cargo cult”, isn’t it?


    It’s a ‘the earth is flat’ religion. I wonder where this article will be banned.

    Mister Roboto

    Well, I just posted it on Twitter. That is as good a place as any to start to see if something is going to get banned.

    Mr. House

    It always felt like a cargo cult, even from the beginning. It’s scary, but you have to understand mega corps and .gov (essentially the largest mega corp of them all) does not care about you. Akin to learning one of your parents hate you, hard to deal with. Trust your own eyes and ears, assess the situation around you. Like i’ve said from the beginning, i see lots of unemployed and more homeless every year, but i don’t see people dying in the streets. I see lots of bailouts and things to keep the monetary system limping along, but i don’t see anything that in my eyes would resemble a public health threat. I see lots of censorship and demonizing of certain groups of people, i see division being proactively used by certain groups. I see one group of tribals making a deal for their 30 pieces of gold if they’ll only attack another tribe for Caesar. Its cliche and you’ll have to give up your ideological viewpoint but we’ve got to come together. That and only that is what our “betters” fear.

    Mr. House

    Its jonestown, drink the koolaide and you shall rise to heaven fellow brothers!

    Mr. House

    Mr. House

    The “science”


    We never followed the science. We knew early on, from the Diamond Princess case, that only 20% of the population would catch the virus. We knew the virus was a serious issue only for the elder and the ppl with other serious health problems.

    Yet we kept on talking about how deadly and dangerous this new virus is and we accepted the lockdowns and the mask mandates and the economic destruction and now we accept the vaccination madness. We even accept the vaccination of the children and the vaccination passports.

    Are you surprised?

    I’m not.

    a kullervo


    As far as I can remember – I’m almost sixty – medicine gave up its ties with science in order to become a racket with the sole purpose of turning every single human being (let’s not forget to also include pets and livestock) into a long-term client, either by diagnosing or by convincing people that life is nothing but an endless array of diseases.

    My point is that this has been going on for a very long time: physicians were very successful in turning large swaths of the world’s population into hypochondriacs and now TPTB are reaping the – political, economical, authoritarian? – benefits.

    Human history: a long-term sadomasochistic interplay.


    What makes this more perplexing is that there are highly skilled, highly trained people on both sides of the covid divide. Although there are some pretty nasty characters cheerleading for the current policies, to my eye there also seem to be others who are not self-interested or incompetent in this group.
    On the other hand, TAE has provided ample literature strongly suggesting many significant deficiencies in the policies and there are many learned voices confirming these deficiencies. For a lay person (like me) who looks at information from various sources, this causes a lot of distress. My intuition puts me in support of the contrarians, but not without significant discomfort. I guess time will tell.


    Watch the recent Highwire interview of Dr. Flemming here:


    While there’s a lot of ad hominem in respect of Flemming now being promonted on the web (just as there is with Yeadon) this interview presents a compelling look at where the virus came from.

    We have a long way to go folks. We’re only in the 1st or 2nd innings
    Stay away from the jab.
    Get a supply of IVM.


    Latest UK Gov. Adverse prints:

    Pfizer –

    AZ –

    Moderna –

    Craazy numbers in there.


    The West’s suffering is due to for-profit education, healthcare and war. To pass through the revolving doors to a McMansion in the Hamptons; they believe. They live in an impenetrable bubble. Wealth shows their value. Lowlife others are worthless. They got a Harvard education and punched all the right tickets.

    In order to allow Joe Biden and Kamala Harris walk off the stage maskless into the White House; CDC upper management decided based on models that there will be no new coronavirus cases in the USA on October 1, 2021. They believe it.

    Coronavirus is endemic and number of new cases today is a little higher than the first peak that shut down New York State. mRNA vaccines lower transmission but do not eliminate it. Eight fully vaccinated New York Yankees tested at work caught COVID.

    Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding in a tweet after calculating various R0 contagiousness values indicated that when combined together, vaccines + masks + mitigation can hold back a surge even for variants but dropping all masks/mitigation does not. The US government is betting there will not be a surge next winter despite the science.

    A constant problem since the Wuhan pandemic became public in January 2020 is magical thinking in the West. It comes with the ruling ideology. They will never undertake a national public health campaign needed to eliminate the virus. There is too much money to be made with patentable gene therapies and an endemic illness.


    I think we badly misjudged how corrupt our so called top health officials are. They were able to use their powers to circumvent basic freedoms and laws. We need to strip them of such powers to prevent a repeat.

    Mister Roboto

    Though the dire nature of the Covid threat has been exaggerated by what some have termed “fear porn”, I still don’t dismiss it as a public health crisis. Yes, the preponderance of those who have died with Covid have been older people with more than one co-morbidity. But if we didn’t have dexamethasone to disrupt cytokine storms, I really have to wonder how many younger, healthier people might be dead right now? (Another interesting question is, how many lives might have been saved from the Spanish Flu if they had dexamethasone back then?)

    Dr. D

    “I think we badly misjudged how corrupt our so called top health officials are.”

    We very sadly found that out in every other institution as well. I come off as cynical, but as most often happens, that’s because innately I’m trusting and believe in rules, and have to flog myself to chase the horizon on the level of corruption out there, always underestimating it despite my best attempt. And it’s hard to understand, lies and malfeasance, since I also know those people, or such people, personally, as meaning well and not being that bad. It’s not like they write a check to everyone to perpetuate this, and to me is unbelievably apparent. Like you have an elephant, yes, but you’re so close to it, how do you see anything else? It’s gray and hairy in the whole field of view, and you’re going nowhere, bumping into it hour after hour, yet still claim they can’t see it. Nothing’s in the room, everything’s fine.

    It’s hard to reconcile. Someone – I think Aldous Huxley – said you have 20% people who will believe anything. 60% will go along with anything. And 20% who aren’t susceptible and can’t be hypnotized. …So as Alinsky wrote, you only need to kill those 20. Easy. True or not, it certainly seems to have proven in this, the world’s largest psy-op to date. I’d say I’m very sorry to find myself – for no reason of my own but accident of birth – to be in the resist everything category, but I’m not. I want it and choose it because only by reviewing objective data can you make intelligent choices about your and your nation’s future, resist oppression and extraction and poverty, and be free. But that ‘choice’ is really up to the 60%, not me, what they ‘choose’ to do. Go along, or apply themselves to work and duty. I can only present facts, but recently, facts are the only enemy. Reporting tat people even have opinions is now banned, scorched-earth material, and despite that is not a sustainable position in propaganda and control, it’s certainly not any fun with the Intercept outing any brown person who does journalism, and the Guardian openly promoting, even fabricating, the argument that all good journalists and publishers belong in jail without trial, a life sentence, for printing accurately.

    And the 60% go along. But with which side? A lot of people have put themselves out there, risked things that shouldn’t be at all risky, to warn, to help, to inform their fellow men, and not just about Covid, but lots of things. Oil, finance, Weinstein, ecology. Where is the control, the hypnosis, coming from? Not being susceptible to it apparently, it’s invisible to me. I didn’t get the memo. But like the invisible wind, it seems to have an overwhelming effect on the world.

    Clearly it must come from media, social media, the little flashing screens. “Oh no! Yesterday the screen looked like that. But today, the screen looks like this! What should I do?” Has to, because nobody talks to anyone anymore. Somehow the flashing screen is “us”, and trusted, and if it’s on the flashing screen, whatever is said is the same as said by your father, your family, your closest friend, even yourself. …They must have had quite a different experience with families than the rest of us, although how I can’t imagine. Meanwhile, anything said by “them”, the slanty-eyed, towel-head, drunken irishmen, the terrible Hun, the “other” is wrong by virtue of being said. Because we are “we”, good Catholics, and they are “them”, violent Protestants. Or something. Heretics. Be they Christians, Muslims, Witches, the fact of their existence means they’re wrong. I struggle because I can’t place myself there, in that mindset. A mindset where you hate, fear, and strain to attack anyone ‘other’, have to ‘rewire your brain’ not to see them as evil, as dangerous, as morally, wonderfully attackable, punchable, on sight. They are humans. They are your brothers. As a virtuous saint once said, “How dare you?”

    Bbee: “Man harvests plank in his own eye to capitalize on high lumber prices.”

    Can we find a cure, not for Covid which was never a danger, but for hatred, intolerance, and prejudice? What acts, what methods broke through and cured it before? In other inquisitions, in other witch hunts and moral panics? Probably nothing. If it were easy, we would have already done it. Most probably the emotion has to go too far, get too big, contradict itself too far, and have too many innocents destroyed before we look at it and point and come, at last, too late, to shame and embarrassment and moderate self-reflection and self-control. The very things they work the most at to prevent in us, the people. Buy more. Do whatever you feel. You can have it all. You are perfect and sovereign over your life, over reality. There is only up, and no down. All coins have only one side. Adult limits, restraint, maturity, and self-control are the minimum cure to advertising, to keeping your mind and your money, your power, your votes, to yourself and not handing them over to the first stranger you meet like a child. Like Pinocchio and the wolf. He calls himself “Honest John” and that’s good enough for me. I’ll work in any salt mine sold as any carnival you ship me to.

    Where is the science we really need? The science for this?

    Dr. D

    The West’s suffering is due to for-profit education, healthcare and war.

    — Vietnam Vet.

    Yes, but maybe some of us didn’t estimate, gauge, the damage correctly. (Not me, been screaming about this for 20 years..)

    I think we badly misjudged how corrupt our so called top health officials are.

    — WES.

    Yes, I was very surprised by the reaction in CH. It was really a shock, if with slowish build-up. I didn’t anticipate the swift compliance, media frenzy, etc. Luckily I am not alone.

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