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    Edward Hopper Railroad crossing 1926   • Questions Raised Over HCQ Study Which Caused WHO To Halt Trials (G.) • India Invites Scepticism As It St
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle May 28 2020]

    #59286
    zerosum
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    For those with no money
    hydroxychloroquine
    helps to prevent infections among health care workers exposed to Covid-19
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    Ask Japan What to do with trillions of dollars
    There is not a major sector out there that can be allowed to go bust.
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    Dodge Balt
    • Minneapolis Ablaze Amid Looting (ZH)
    Shown below, police fired rubber bullets, tear gas, and stun grenades at protesters. The initial demonstrations started peacefully than quickly got out of hand. Some hurled blunt objects at law enforcement while damaging police cars. The early hours of the protest were peaceful, hundreds, and maybe even more than a thousand people, were seen marching across 38th Street. Some carried signs that read “Justice for George Floyd,” “I can’t breathe,” and “Black Lives Matter.”

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    Hypocrite

    Keep it real. If you can do this in USA then you can do the same in Hong Kong.
    • China Approves Hong Kong Draft Security Law (NBC)
    a new draft legislation banning “secession, subversion, terrorism and foreign interference”.

    #59287
    John Day
    Participant

    @WES
    I notice you left this last night:
    “As for no social distancing on the beaches.

    The women are to blame!

    P.S. Moki understands! She is planning on living in John Day’s garden instead!”

    You can grow at least some vegetables in the winter in climate zone 8, and you can do even more in climate zone 9. 🙂
    Summers get hot and stay hot, though. We are in early summer now, so still cooling off at night.

    #59288
    John Day
    Participant

    Bill Clinton having an affair with Ghislaine Maxwell is obviously a limited-hang-out cover-story for what playboy Bill was really doing in Lolita-Land.

    #59289
    Dr. D
    Participant

    “How long will the bailouts go on?”

    Because of the political and mental structure worldwide, they will go on forever until they can’t. Which is why to sabotage them to speed their failure, as we see in the ‘States. This day was coming. Since Sept 14, that day is now. By comparison, the other things are a sideshow.

    Orlov nails this in the first 3 minutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ssk2BacEpo
    This is a driver for change preferable to a 3rd world war and we should appreciate life taking this path for our convenience. However, recognize it means the old system is dead, dead, dead. That means the old power, stemming from debt, has no power when the debt vanishes. New day.

    Only to mention Twitter wars™, Cheeto was trying to goad them into action on his election timetable using Scarborough. But haven’t we all had a cute, marathon runner turn up dead under our desk with blunt-head trauma right after we admitted we were having an affair? I mean, hardly a day goes by… That didn’t work, but he got this other line to bite. The only important thing is they, like Amazon but unlike every other structure on the planet, have special legal dispensation. They are protected from libel and publisher status by being a “platform.” That means they cannot edit and choose the material. Which is exactly what they’re doing, while also being an open PAC fund, specifically promoting political ends like Mail-in voting. AND getting CIA money at the same time. WTF? You’re either a platform, and let everyone talk, OR you’re a publisher, and are therefore responsible, political, and sued. They want it both ways, and we’re pretending that’s legal. It’s not, it never was, but since we haven’t enforced the law in 100 years, why start now?

    Minneapolis Ablaze Amid Looting (ZH)”

    Can you hear me now? What was that I said? It appears as if people are not following the law! But I told them! Don’t you know who I am?

    But never to let a uniting moment go to waste, they are pretending each side hates the other when everyone agrees on this wrong. Apparently that’s not good enough or something. No! No friends! I refuse to agree! We must not have allies! (Against the real oppressor and enemy of the people.) We got to get that Civil War started and bury our crimes in the bonfire, while sitting in the castle on the hill.

    Limited hang out? Exactly what I was thinking. Why would anyone even suppose/propose such a thing? It’s literally the least-likely of all explanations. How about “He went over to buy some much-needed political blackmail from Mossad and also have a involuntary afternoon with the young staff”? What does it take to have people add two digits?

    I’d say “when it’s with your daughter” but it already was. A hundred times. No one cares. But when someone tweets? Oh my god, the nation ends. This is not a serious culture. They are not a serious people. But all that is ending now. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cartonero https://www.dw.com/en/living-from-garbage-cartoneros-in-argentina/av-18913556

    #59290
    anticlimactic
    Participant

    HCQ

    One thought would be if patients are in hospital after being treated with HCQ then the treatment was given too late! How many AVOIDED being in hospital because ther WERE treated?

    Australia is one of those countries which use HCQ as standard and consequently have very low death rate [Although it could be because their average social distancing is 5 miles!!!]

    It is surprising that the Guardian is questioning this. Perhaps they are coming round to the idea that people should live rather than die without HCQ treatment, just to prove Trump ‘wrong’!

    Interesting article from AAPS :

    FDA Bureaucrat Brags He Blocked Physician Prescribing of Hydroxychloroquine in Early COVID-19

    Gloomy article [sort of] from Egon von Greyerz about the consequences of lockdowns :

    THE GLOBAL FOREST FIRE IS HERE

    #59291
    Geppetto
    Participant

    “They are not a serious people. But all that is ending now. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cartonero https://www.dw.com/en/living-from-garbage-cartoneros-in-argentina/av-18913556”

    Cartaneros! Always been a scavenger class right? Every country I have ever been to. But …Argentina now that is something to exam. 20 years ago when I first witnessed the villa miseria on the way into Buenos Aires from the Ezeira I was impressed to say the least and not in a good way. How many living under cardboard and tin? Hundreds of thousands? My hosts were abogados that lived in the heart of town in a huge flat. These people were served, literally, by an invisible staff that did things like magically change the linens(!) in the bathroom between every use. As I recall the business we tried to enter into encountered *technical( legal of course!)* difficulties that ultimately led to its failure. I got a nice vacation in Mar Del Plata but the disparity between wealth and poverty and the seeming confusion of the culture as to it’s identity stayed with me.

    Didn’t Argentina have that little thing called the ‘Dirty war’? Political, financial, ideological and socially driven mayhem?

    #59292
    WES
    Participant

    The ban on HCQ treatment, by bought and paid for health authorities, is because if people use inexpensive HCQ, they are ignoring more expensive treatments (that don’t work)!

    It is all about enabling the rich to rob the poor.

    #59293
    WES
    Participant

    Geppetto:

    That model seems to reside nearly everywhere in the world where there is a big gap between rich and poor.

    I haven’t travelled in South America, the one continent I missed, in my world travels.

    But I suspect my central American travels gave me the correct flavor.

    I can verify what you saw certainly exists in Africa!

    And once upon a time, not too long ago, this system existed in Europe too!

    If it hadn’t, I might still be living in Europe, instead of Canada! (Some started out in the US first, before heading to Canada later.)

    Needless to say, none of my ancestors came to the new world in happy circumstances!

    #59294
    zerosum
    Participant

    ” … the rich to rob the poor.”
    How do the poor rob the rich?
    Do the cop protect the poor?
    Who created our society?
    The elites make everything happen.

    #59295
    WES
    Participant

    John Day:

    I had to break the sad news to Moki, my daughter pet rabbit, that she couldn’t visit your two gardens because the US/Canada border is closed!

    Yesterday, I had to tell her no spinach from Zerosum’s garden either! Seems Zerosum’s grandchild adopted six baby rabbits!

    She will just have to wait until my garden decides to sprout! Then she can nibble away to her hearts content.

    At least nice spring weather has finally arrived in Toronto!

    #59296
    WES
    Participant

    Zerosum:

    I think that is how we got the story of Robinhood!

    The names were changed to protect the guilty and punish the poor!

    #59297
    WES
    Participant

    I agree with John Day about Maxwell being just a cover for Bill Clinton.

    It is just paid disinformation. All pre-planned by the deep state.

    Everyone knows Bill liked young girls. Just ask Monica!

    #59298
    anticlimactic
    Participant

    COUNTRIES USING HCQ AND DEATHS PER MILLION POPULATION

    India 3
    Costa Rica 2
    Australia 4
    South Korea 5
    Argentina 11
    Turkey 53
    Israel 31

    COUNTRIES NOT USING HCQ AND DEATHS PER MILLION POPULATION

    U.S. 312
    U.K. 558

    #59299
    VietnamVet
    Participant

    If South Korea public health system that contained the coronavirus is having problems with reopening, this pretty much assures that the haphazard 50 state reopening in the USA will be a disaster. I’m incarcerated at home but I have a gut feeling that the integrated uprising in Minneapolis is getting additional energy from the lack of direction and incompetence of government in combating the virus. The President, Congress and federal bureaucracy are not fighting the virus in cooperation with the States and the American people in a national public health program to defeat the virus. Instead in order that the pharmaceutical industry will have a patentable profitable virus treatment sometime in the future; the virus is being allowed to spread across North America. The 100,000s deaths to date and the projected deaths of nearly a million Americans due to the reopening would have be prevented if the USA had a functional government like those in Asia and the South Pacific.

    #59300
    Mr. House
    Participant

    Alot of you who comment on the virus remind me of an ex girlfriend. Her mom had been diagnosed with cancer. For two weeks i consoled her and she cried and cried and cried. Finally one friday she showed up to pick me up to head to my parents, and she was till crying. Finally i said to her, is your mom dead? She said no between sniffles, to which i replied then stop acting like it. Over a decade later and her mom is still kicking. You people who lament how this virus is being handled give it too much stock. This is Russiagate on steriods and you are lapping it up.

    #59301
    John Day
    Participant

    http://www.johndayblog.com/2020/05/nothing-to-trust.html
    The “Political Economy” is our human life-support ecosystem within the larger life support system of global life.
    The political economy is based on the harness of one way flows from higher to lower energy and order, like burning oil and coal, to power further extraction of fuel and ore from this fair planet. This particular iteration of political economy is the most successful ever and is eating up all the good stuff, which is now terminally depleted, while it fouls air and water that life forms need to survive. This needs to be redirected without killing us all.
    The directors are willing to sacrifice some of us, as they always do, but they are not willing to resign as directors, and give up their unique advantages as such.
    It’s an impasse. What would make them give up hope, capitulate, and let different people work out a different system that would not destroy all life, while supporting human lives?
    Loss of the internet has come to mind, but that can never happen, right?

    Yanis Varoufakis set out to write a chronicle of the decade of the 2020s, as if looking back.
    He didn’t get very far yet, but it’s started.
    ​ ​By June 2020, as lockdowns began to ease, left-wing optimism that the pandemic would revive state power on behalf of the powerless remained, leading friends to fantasize about a renaissance of the commons and a capacious definition of public goods. Margaret Thatcher, I would remind them, left the British state larger, more powerful, and more concentrated than she had found it. An authoritarian state was necessary to support markets controlled by corporations and banks. Those in authority have never hesitated to harness massive government intervention to the preservation of oligarchic power. Why should a pandemic change that?
    https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/bleak-preliminary-history-of-2020s-by-yanis-varoufakis-2020-05?mod=article_inline

    ​From the “right” side of the aisle, it’s not really a different view, just different focal points.
    ​ Rubino explains, “Sooner or later you’ve got to pay your bills, and if you don’t have anybody paying your bills to you, then you go bankrupt. Commercial real estate could just be a blood bath, which take us back to all the bailouts. You can’t let a big sector go bust in this world because suddenly everything is too big to fail. There is not a major sector out there that can be allowed to go bust. Not the airlines, not commercial real estate, certainly not the banks, you name it and it has to be bailed out. That’s where the really crazy stuff starts. When people figure out we are basically bailing out everybody from home owners to student loan holders, to car loan holders and right down the line, and then we get state and local governments with this gigantic multi-trillion dollar problem . . . and the amount of debt is off the charts to bail all of these guys out, that is when the real fun starts.”
    How long will the bailouts go on? Rubino says, “We are heading into a Presidential election, which means we cannot let anything major fail. If you are the Trump Administration and Congress, you can’t let something big fail because it’s a crisis right before you need to get re-elected. So, you’ve got to bail people out. That’s what California, Illinois and Chicago, New York, Kentucky and all the bankrupt and badly run states have been hoping for all along. They have been hoping there would be a big crisis that would bail them out of their horrendous mismanagement of the past 20 or 30 years. There was no way that Illinois was not going to go bankrupt in normal times . . . or Chicago. . . . Now, they can go to the federal government and say we need a trillion dollars right now or we are going to lay off all the cops and all the teachers, and they think they have a pretty good chance of getting the bailout because the alternative is poison for the people running for office . . . . If you are the Trump Administration or Congress, I don’t see how you stop bailing people out before the election.”

    Suddenly Everything is Too Big to Fail – John Rubino

    Across the pond, Brexit talks are back from COVID lockdown, but no different, as the UK now plays hardball with a tremendously weakened EU that really needs the British contribution to the budget.
    Time is getting short, too. What will the Eurocrats give up for the funding they must have?
    https://sputniknews.com/europe/202005271079435457-french-foreign-minister-jean-yves-le-drian-says-resumed-brexit-talks-are-going-badly/

    #59302
    John Day
    Participant

    @WES: Moki the rabbit can’t eat my garden in Yoakum. That’s good for both of us, because there are hawks there, too, very often circling above.
    My garden in Austin gets eaten by lots of critters. No hawks here in Austin. I think a feral cat may be eating some of the rats, but squirrels rule. I never get fruit from the peach and plum trees, and rarely a almost ripe fig from the big fig trees. It does distract them from the tomatoes…

    #59303
    Lily
    Participant

    I’m old enough to remember the race riots of the 1960s. And the president then was definitely not Black.

    #59304
    zerosum
    Participant

    Something is different with these demonstrations
    The majority, on tv, are white.

    #59305

    RaiIs are cutting lines; some Targets are closed; some malls are closed, including the mall of America. The post office is suspending service to some areas. A building is burning right now- unknown, according to local Fox, which is the only station covering it much.
    This breaks my heart.
    Apparently we are the first city to distract ourselves with something not “covid”.
    A long procession of protesters are peacefully walking on I-94.
    The “riots” continue as peaceful protests vie for coverage. There’s a lot of rotten behavior going on.
    I was born in and returned to the Twin Cities.

    #59306
    WES
    Participant

    John Day:

    Mentioning Hawks is enough to frighten Moki!

    Every once in a while, when she is in the open back yard with us, she will suddenly run back into her cage where she knows she is safe. The walk-in cage has a roof on it. Usually it is just an airplane flying over head.

    Usually when she isn’t hopping around, she will lay under a lawn chair near us for shade and probably protection from an air attack.

    The interesting thing about tomatoes, is that not too many critters seem to like them or at least they don’t bother them too much.

    My Father and Mother had a large backyard garden in Toronto. The fence at the back allowed the critters to run up and down the neighborhood on the interstate checking out all the gardens. Lots of Italians and Greeks who love their gardens!

    Strangely the tomatoes never seem to get hit. Not sure why? But everything else like corn, peas, beans, lettuce, got hit hard! If it wasn’t the critters, then the insects!

    The trick is to grow extra, enough for everybody!

    #59307
    WES
    Participant

    Know:

    Too bad the Twin Cities are burning.

    The last time I was in the Twin Cities was due to thick fog covering the mid west.

    I was working in a coal mine east of Billings, Montana, just north of where Custer met his fate! (He sure picked a forlorn place to die!).

    We took off from Billings early morning on a bright sunny winter’s day heading to Chicago. Then we circled O’Hara for hours before heading to Bismark, ND to land and refuel. We then circled the Twin Cities for many more hours. Finally after dark we touched down in the Twin Cities. We stayed overnight before resuming our flight the next day. That was a day to remember!

    #59308
    WES
    Participant

    Now that Britain did the unthinkable, the elite EU bueaocrats in Brussels are suddenly running out of money to spend and have really no way to force Britain to pay them the money they so desperately need to keep up their appearance’s!

    It is in Britain’s best interests to not hurry in dealing with the EU bueaocrats!

    Let the EU bueaocrats stew in their own mess! They created it, so they have no right to complain!

    #59309
    Mr. House
    Participant

    Think of it this way, if what we are actually living thru is some sort of factional power play within the US government, i would suspect that if the election happens this year, it will be contested. Lets all keep our eyes open and observe as november rolls closer.

    #59310
    Mr. House
    Participant

    Also Biden dirtied his undies on air. Life gives and it takes.

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