Debt Rattle November 25 2022
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November 25, 2022 at 6:30 pm #121846zerosumParticipant
Reason to continue the war
By Russia taking over/occupying/invading/controlling the entire country, Ukraine will be instantly relieved of
debt/jubilee/unpayable loans/hide the scams, owed to the Western lenders/bankers/democrats/thieves/bidens.November 25, 2022 at 6:52 pm #121847
@ jb-hb #121838
Your comment is very well articulated yet I believe many choices were made without understanding.
Many choices were made based on belief (government or god) not truth.
After a while it was clear to me those in power were lying and what they wanted us to do was stupid.
People influence their destiny with the choices they make.
Many were fooled.November 25, 2022 at 6:59 pm #121848citizenxParticipant
What did you do during the Covid Cult war?
I stood my ground based on principles of human dignity.
Hippocratic Oath / Nuremberg Trials / Body Autonomy
My body, my choice. Or My body Govt/Pharma choice? Well that’s a f’n no brainer.
You do you- but when you try to force inject me with experimental poison and shame me for not doing so- and take away my basic human rights to work, travel, leave my home and speak- expect a fight.
Safe, effective and necessary?
Is the vax safe? If no then chances are it can kill you or harm you permanently. Duh- basic logic grounded in historical patterns is certainly not “claiming superiority”. Your logic and position is extremely flawed.
Is the vax effective? No. it was pointless and has negative efficacy… the vax killed and injured. I harmed no one.
Was the vax necessary? No.
If you don’t care about these people then you are no different to the people at Pfizer.
I care about all sentient beings being healthy and content. Quality and Longevity of a life well lived. Compassion does not equate ‘being nice’. Nor does empathy.
What did you do for your fellow man? Did either of you do anything else that could be remotely construed as helpful?
I did nothing that could be construed as harmful or destructive. Do no harm- Hippocratic oath. Who the fuck are you to lecture anyone on being ‘helpful’? Define helpful. Something about good deeds and punishment along with a road to hell being paved- ring a bell? Trying to solve a problem with the same type of thinking that created said problem leads to more problems.
Sharing techniques of self improvement means you help yourself or you don’t. Your choice. You are free to be stupid.
Did either of you suffer, really suffer?
Buddhism 101- suffering exists. It exists in your mind and body. All minds and all bodies. Apply the Four Noble Truths- Now. Again, who the fuck are you to determine genuine suffering? Who are you to put a sliding scale on sufferings quality, intensity, duration for anyone else? You can’t.
“We’re all in the gutter, some of us are looking at the stars.”
You are happy to blame the people who get vaxxed, but most of those people do it because they have no choice.
This is where your entire argument falls apart. Happy? Fuck you. I’m not happy about any of this crap. This is pure manipulative gas lighting on your part. So the vaxed are all victims who had no choice? You are spewing bullshit.
We collectively had a choice to go along to get along- or resist. They chose collective irrational fear and acted from that space. That of course led to more irrational fears and damage and deaths. The entire charade could have been over in days if we collectively said no and called bs. I choose not to live by societal principles of irrational fears. You can do whatever the fuck you want- but don’t blame me for your choices.November 25, 2022 at 7:28 pm #121849AfewknowthetruthParticipant
I knew Bill Little very well. And Cecilly Little played at the bridge club I played at. So when Andrew Little began his campaign to become a politician, I went to see him. he bought a copy of the book I had just written, and we began to discuss all the factors that would determine the future. i.e. declining energy availability, Ponzi finance etc..
Shortly into our once-a-week discussion, Andrew Little suddenly showed his true character: totally unreliable, a liar and a coward.
Unable to win the electoral seat, this slimy piece of shit wheedled his way into political power via the list system, whereby, if sufficiently high on the party list, a slimeball could become an MP through the MMP system. I had several run-ins with him before he began lording it over the general populace from the safety of Wellington.
As leader of the LINO (Labour In Name Only) party, he was a complete failure -zero competency and zero charisma- and was replaced by the Scorpion, the WEF sponsored con artist currently pretending to lead NZ. However, as a slimy piece of shit with self-serving as his prime motivator, the next thing we know, Little was appointed Minister of ‘Justice’. The irony is almost beyond belief. Yet we know that is how the Empire of Lies operates; install a slimeball into a position of power, and instruct said slimeball to continue the wrecking.
As everyone here knows, the entire covid and ‘vaccines’ narrative was an elaborate scam and social control exercise, geared to increasing the profits of global corporations and reducing the capacity of the general populace to think clearly or resist increased levels of oppression.
This war on society being waged by the scumbags that call themselves leaders continues, and the wrecking continues. Thus, we get a headline that the health sector is in crisis.
Clearly, as a consequence of the promotion of the covid scam and fake jabs by so many ‘health professionals’, confidence in the health system has been shattered to some extent. Nevertheless, the health sector still does have a place in NZ society with respect to aligning broken bones, treatment of real diseases etc.
Thus, the undermining of everything except services for global scumbags -the Scorpion’s agenda- brings a new crisis:
‘It is insane’: Doctors claim Health Minister is in denial about how bad health sector is’
‘It’s insane’ because it’s formulated and promoted by insane paople.
Of course, when I encountered Andrew Little as a young lad, I had no idea he would become an agent for the destruction of the society that had fed and watered him.
So it goes -as Kurt Vonnegut put it.
I should add, until it doesn’t.
Not too far off, judging by events in Ukraine and in the global financial markets.
Still waiting for the treason trial to commence. The evidence mounts by the day.November 25, 2022 at 7:34 pm #121850upstateNYerParticipant
This back/forth is interesting. Thanks to the commenters who are pushing back on aspnaz’s attacks on Germ – especially the commenters posting today since you’ve started wallowing around in philosophy. 🙂
From my perspective: leave Germ alone. He’s been posting for years. We’re all adults [I hope] making choices. If you don’t like Germ’s posts, don’t read them. Good golly, it’s not that hard …
Stuff like this reminds me why I don’t use social media, (ie, YouTwitFace). The unholy 3 that are anything but social. 😉November 25, 2022 at 8:12 pm #121851
@ Micheal Reid #121847
Certainly everything was done to make informed consent impossible.
And most of the doctors, everywhere on the planet turned out to be obedient bureaucrats, not doctors at all, since informed consent was such a basic concept for them to understand. Part of their schooling and oath.
My GP said he could not help me with a medical exemption and HAD to recommend the vaccine because of “strict guidelines.”
After the visit, I pulled up the FDA website and read their guidelines for discussing, recommending and administering the injection that does not vaccinate in full several times. First and foremost, it said he had to inform me of the side effects and he had to inform me that it was not mandatory. He did neither of these things. (he told me the opposite, really) He did NOT follow the guidelines.
He meant the internal corporate guidelines of his employer.
How long did it take me to check the FDA guidelines vs his behavior, twice? 10 minutes? 15? Certainly he had a responsibility as a doctor to check at least the things I checked ….but then I, owning my own life, clearly had a responsibility to check for myself.
But this is not just your job, mr doctor. This is your career. This is your life and identity. You will always be either the person who shut off their brain and followed guidelines, hurting hundreds, thousands? Killing how many? Or the person who wouldn’t do that. This is YOUR life and who you will or will not BE.
Many years ago, if I saw someone behind me looking at their phone in traffic, I’d pull aside and get back into traffic to get someone NOT on a phone behind me.
Several years ago, I had a commute home from work in which I TRIED to get away from people driving looking at their phones and could not. I pulled out and back into traffic 5 or 6 times. No matter how many times I tried, I couldn’t get away from them. The non phone-looker was now the outlier, not the phone-looker.
I’ve thought about the people looking at their phones in traffic and the people taking the shot.
The late Roman Empire had a Manpower Shortage. Always scrounging for troops. Various writers from the time period fretting, gosh darn it, the manpower shortage, the manpower shortage.
I’m not sure I buy depopulation, because there was a real issue with people cutting off their own thumbs to evade military service. And certainly the giant crowds in the major Roman cities, the ones the rulers feared would riot, remained.
In some sense, people don’t believe they own their own lives. So why focus on driving? Why check info about an injection? And they don’t own their jobs, their towns, their anything.
They couldn’t get people to fight for Rome because it wasn’t THEIRS. And to be fully accurate, Rome wasn’t the rulers’ property either. Rome could be understood in a more primitive way, as a stretch of Serengetti, the rulers as a hominid wandering it, extracting resources from it.
And so we’ve had a mysterious “manpower shortage”. And businesses open or don’t open depending on who can bring themselves to go in today. I keep hearing about it locally where I am.
Decades ago, I went to a local fireworks show. Something went wrong. Fireworks started falling into the crowd that had spread out on blankets with picnic items. After several had already landed in the crowd and gone off, resulting in some alarm, (yells, screams etc) one rather large one fell perfectly centered into the middle of a family’s blanket.
one of the more disturbing memories of my life, in a way
A husband, wife, and 2 toddlers turned to the firework, almost sleepily, as if in a dream. And, oddly, as if synchronized, as if controlled by the same marionette by strings, all leaned forward and OVER the firework cannister.
Over and over in my imagination, for decades now, I have imagined myself as the father, grabbing the nearest toddler and rolling away to gain distance from the explosive and put my body between it and the child.
But in my memory, they always replay in a trance, family of four, leaning towards the explosive.
Before they could get their faces directly over it, it went off, VERY loudly. The toddlers started crying. Maybe they all had hearing loss. I think it sprayed its bits at the ground, otherwise it would have sprayed upward and blinded all 4 probably melted their faces off. It was a bit larger than an extra-large folgers can. A non-negligible amount of explosive. Maybe some of it got burned up before it landed.
I feel the same kind of sick to my stomach sensation thinking of them and thinking of everyone who went along. There should have been some sense of preservation, ownership, and responsibility, to grab a child and roll. To yell “get back!” or something, anything. Both then and now it has a nightmarish surreal quality to it.November 25, 2022 at 8:46 pm #121852
What would Spock say?November 25, 2022 at 9:23 pm #121854choochParticipant
Stew Peters (Died Suddenly, Watch the Water..) could be a counter intelligence asset whose purpose is to marginalize those advocating informed consent.
Or simply tapping in to the far right for his 15 minutes of fame as a sort of slightly less unhinged version of Alex Jones.
Anyway, zero background in news…then boom, studio production show?
Irrespective, the TAE site / comment section, became the go to site for me during Covid. Links and info provided by Raul, Germ, Doc Day, Doc Robinson and others became foundational in framing my conversations with family, friends and coworkers. It was also, very useful in my battle with my employer over the mandates and masking, for which I am most grateful.November 25, 2022 at 9:24 pm #121855D Benton SmithParticipant
One of the fringe benefits of having a world human population of over 8 BILLION ( as in eight THOUSAND millions) is that it enables fast, and highly revelatory thumbnail probability calculations.
For example: after 3 years of mass murder perpetrated upon those 8 billion people, not even one person of that targeted population has opted to just get up off of their ass and go assassinate ANY of the known perpetrators as a justifiable act of self defense, or revenge or general disgruntlement. Bear in mind that this is in a world where wearing the wrong shoes in the wrong neighborhood can getcha killed six different ways from Sunday (happens every day).
I find that to be rather improbable, statistically speaking, and yet there it is. The probability APPEARS to be roughly 0.00000000000 % . Plain fact.
I wonder how that could even be, which in turn makes me wonder if there is some other, obscured, factor at play that I’m not seeing.
One possibility is that everyone (and I mean EVERYONE) subliminally ( instinctually ? spiritually ?) knows that it would be a monumental mistake, because it would put us on the same path of oblivious self destruction that the bad guys are on. We know it would be our ruin.
Maybe it is something along these lines: Do you suppose that Gates and Rothschild and the good folks at Pfizer consider themselves to be “winners” in the Great Game of getting ahead ? Of course they do. Otherwise they would change their lowdown ways and stop lying, cheating, stealing and killing with such wild abandon for fun and profit.
Alright then (given the reasonable assumption that they think they’re the smart ones and consider themselves to be very best of people) ask yourself whether ANY ordinary person even remotely close to being in their right mind would actually want to BE any of those guys like Bill Gates or Nathan Rothschild or Anthony Fauci. I don’t mean just having their wealth, status and power. I mean literally BEING them.
I don’t think any of the even semi-sane would actually want to swap places and BE any of those obliviously evil characters. The answer would not just be “no”, it would be “HELL no!”
So even though Gates and Rothschild think they are winning, they are in fact LOSING very very badly. They’re losing so bad that not even the most deplorable of the most downtrodden poorest of the poor would swap places with ’em if the swap required actually BEING Rothschild, or Gates, etc.
Basically, people know not to behave like that because it’s a one-way ticket to the same hell those monstrous morons are in. The inescapable hell of being being 100% dead wrong, and yet egotistically delighted with being the best and smartest guy in the room.
And they got no way out until they take their own medicine, or meet their maker . . . . or both.November 25, 2022 at 9:29 pm #121856Formerly T-BearParticipant
jb-hb at 121851
Should you consider most doctors must be associated with some clinic or hospital in order to practice their art, and those clinics or hospitals set the limits those doctors may practice under, it is not hard to see it is those institutions that put the pressure on the doctors to curtail all unacceptable exercises not approved. The investment a doctor has made for medical accreditation, it is not hard to understand why most doctors have done what you find troubling. Also the clinics and hospitals are themselves under severe constraints to keep their insurance active; a considerable expense in itself. Few indeed are those who have maintained their ethical standards under those conditions. Be very thankful they were able to practice medicine instead of conforming, all are richer for their being. Just an opinion.November 25, 2022 at 9:30 pm #121857November 25, 2022 at 9:49 pm #121858
Men with too much wealth may lead to wicked possible futures or not.November 25, 2022 at 10:18 pm #121859RedneckParticipant
Those who have their fingers on the nuclear button have their assistants poring through media sites and if they see a headline that triggers them….well it is all over for the world.
That such obvious bullshit gets into print and that people presumably beleive it is a very good indication of how stupid the media and it’s clickers have become.
“What’s with this idea the Polish farmer prevented WW3? He took a photo of the missile.’
Exactly! The entire story is fake.Who believes that NATO nuclear commanders fire the nukes based on media reports? DUH!
“As I understand it : Russian oil production costs 10 dollars/barrel. The oil companies keep 25 dollars a barrel and all the other money goes to fund the Russian government.”
Except for the billions skimmed off by all the oligarch contractors , four and a half billion dollars of private yachts remember. Russia is corrupt from the very top to the very bottom.November 25, 2022 at 10:27 pm #121860
“Look I’m sorry if barbarians come burn down your farm and you have to run to America to start over in your 50’s selling pencils on a street corner, but they REALLY ARE barbarians/invaders burning down your family farm.”
Well said, I say. That whole post. The nice thing about the Khans and Tamerlanes of the world is that you at least knew they were barbarians, burning down your house, plundering etc. (although you may not have known that some of them did so via false flag betrayal of your people by their rulers or wannabe rulers, but you t least knew that Trogdor was on the loose, and were absolutely certain that he was a man…or maybe he was a dragonman… or maybe just a dragon but anyway, he was Trogdor! (It’s Thanksgiving and life is just an animated Norman Rockwell scene. You too can singalong with others by yourself at the computer!)
But things like international covidiocy and de facto forced vakzinations fly under the umbrella of Stockholm syndrome mass form protection.. It’s like Daddy beating you for threatening to tell Mommy that he rapes you, and telling you that “It’s for your own good.”
“Like how is his real and justified anger and embitterment over real actual bad things and bad PEOPLE even a problem, really?”
Well, you asked:
1 problem is that it invites others to condemn Germ, which is bad for rhetorical hygiene and pertinence and also bad for human psyches, since anger and arrogance all come from destructive root emotions. But that isn’t Germ’s fault. The “fault” there is in that of the interpreters and not the interpretee’s; although I also feel confident saying that Germ’s style of expressing G’s outrage would be viewed by the majority, raised on the mainstream vernacular of emotional verbiage, as schadenfreudist (it’s so fun to say: try it!). That too is not Germ’s fault. I am ridiculously verbally articulate but nonetheless miscommunicate on a reliable, even reliably disastrous, schedule.
2 Another problem is that it invites others (like you) tocondemn Germ’s attackers (or so I have and others surely will infer you are doing). This bids me to ask a question like yours: “…how is his real and justified anger and embitterment over real actual bad things and bad PEOPLE even a problem, really?”
And, since I asked, I’ll answer: probably for a reason very similar to why condemnation of Germ’s appears to concern you in a way that bids you at least challenge and maybe? condemn?
Clearing gravel from a stream makes for a bit of murky water for awhile but then the channel runs smoother and deeper.
Back to that Stockholm syndrome thing: I think that perhaps I can transcend vernacular mainstream confusion , and not appear malicious, when I say that the mind-fucked are indeed well and truly fucked. Recovering from a lifetime of mass intensive mind-conditioning is harder than resisting some silly old forced injection. I’ve done it perhaps more than anyone I’ve known (MAJOR BOLD STATEMENT ALERT!), and I honestly have no idea why I’m still alive other than the love of a few good friends, one very wonderful woman, and perhaps more guardian angels than I could shake a stick at (probably at my peril if any of them are either of my grandmothers).
Outside of refugees and the wretchedly psychotically insane, I honestly don’t think I’ve met anyone as deviant as me from the norm yet as normative across the board as me (hetero, WASP, quiet middle class-upbringing, no social warts like obesity or ugliness or deformities or handicaps, no idees fixes, no over-riding compulsions other than numerous addictions to deal with all the alienated despair [which has been the norm, really, for a long time], no incarceration in penal, mental health, or academic institutions… my only real mental health issue is an IQ over 160 (they wouldn’t tell me the last figure; I’m sure many here can relate), and a wonderful childhood that made me strong and bold enough to naively challenge the narrative (cuz I was well-nurtured and questions were safe), and survive the psychological iron boot-heeling that followed (cuz I was well-nurtured so therefore had a strong emotional core while being taught to do the right thing, etc.,) … but at the cost of self-imposed homelessness for a decade or so from adolescence through young adulthood).
You might say I’m as normal as can be and not be a character from The Big Bang Theory.;) But I made certain cognitive discoveries and choices that forever ruined my ability to be understood by other people because that way that I understand reality and myself is allergically painful to, like, 99.999% of the people I’ve met.
If that description makes me sound like a delusional paranoiac or something, that’s fine with me. If it makes me sound like some kind of street-bred self-deluding wannabe saint (I’m envisioning Swamp Thing as St. Francis of Asisi), it’s like that monk said/asked: “Is that so?” I hold my own counsel, that’s for sure.
Many can relate to the above self-description and feel that it resembles them but maybe even more so. Mirror, mirror, on the wall, who’s the weirdest of us all? I defer to their self-judgment, because the view inside a given goldfish’s bowl is ultimately unknowable to other gold-fishes in their respective bowls.
We here are all lucky, say I, if blessed via what feels like a curse, to enjoy the freedom and power of mind to actually think more for ourselves than our cultures do for us. Some of us might think it mean-spirited of us to judge negatively those* *who negatively judge those whose sense of judgment seems negatively affected by life in our times (das sheeple effect), but a quick look in a pocket mirror will reveal, to those who prefer to be honest with themselves, that their perch from which to look down on others is not as secure as they felt if only for awhile in the heat of a moment. Even those who prefer not to be honest may feel that sense of someone staring at them from across the street and peer over their shoulder to see something like God staring at them…. bemusedly stern… unless they lack sufficient imagination, in which case powerful psychedelics will usually do the trick. 😉 Anyway, that’s what’s playing inside my goldfish bowl silver screen right now.
*this and other moral palindromes are easily obtained at this nifty moral palindrome meme site I found.
Iggy Pop might be someone I could relate to holistically. Probably not. Successful rock-star life reinforces certain mainstream conventions even if the star’s career is based on declaredly opposing/ignoring/violating/transcending them. Still, I think we can all relate to Iggy here. The chorus captures both a) the schadenfreude we’ve felt toward “sheeple” (a word as vile as ‘nigger‘, so let’s say it a lot to remind us of our bigotries* lest they consume us) and b) the vulnerable outraged despair, terror, courage, and resignation we’ve all felt, I’m sure, for being different, or different, or different, or DIFFERENT.
*tell me you don’t have bigotries and I won’t believe you; you might say that I’m bigoted that way… but I find it more morally honest than being bigoted against (those whom we perceive as) bigoted people.
Feeling a little bit exiled is not fundamentally different from feeling completely exiled. The latter is way stronger and usually harder to survive, but in the end, one lonely cry into a desperate pillow for whatever reason is the same as another.
If you got this far, don’t blame me. I only wrote it. You’re the sucker who read it. 😉
2003. Naturally the pageant host has to mosh dive: Gen X (punk) culture is at its apex, peering unwittingly downhill thinking the world is their personal rollercoaster, forgetting that the bottom of the hill is a geriatric crash-landing; we Boomers snickered schadenfreudistically from our rocking chairs.November 25, 2022 at 10:29 pm #121861RedneckParticipant
Except for the billions skimmed off by all the oligarch contractors , four and a half billion dollars of private yachts remember. Russia is corrupt from the very top to the very bottom.
“Former Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov resigned amid a corruption scandal involving his mistress Yevgenia Vasilyeva (both ended up getting off easy). The Insider has learned that the current minister, Sergei Shoigu, is not much different from his predecessor. After getting into an affair with Shoigu, stewardess Elena Shebunova suddenly became a billionaire and earned a mansion on Rublevka next door to the Rotenberg Palace on contracts with the Ministry of Emergency Situations and the Ministry of Defense.”
Shoigu’s daughter found two penthouses for half a billion rubles – The Moscow Times in Russian
Shoigu's 25 yo daughter bought this house in 2009, when she was 18. Only land costs $9M https://t.co/eGbD2LYmmT pic.twitter.com/c0FlDiddgo
— Liveuamap (@Liveuamap) October 27, 2015November 25, 2022 at 10:31 pm #121862
“30-Year-Old Co-Founder Of Crypto Trading Platform Amber Dies “Unexpecteldy” In His Sleep”
Totally f-ing normal!!November 25, 2022 at 10:37 pm #121863Curlene48Participant
jbhb — “lol wtf is it with objecting to Germ’s tone to this extent? HE isn’t injecting anyone, pressuring anyone, ostracizing anyone, blocking anyone from social or economic activity. He’s just understandably angered and embittered.”
jbhb — I second your post regarding Germ and all the anger that has come raining down upon him for no earthly good reason. Over the course of the past months he has provided us with numerous great links to movies, data, and commentary about the Covidian narrative, and for that I am most appreciative. He has never implied a tone of superiority in any of his posts, just tries to share information and the sense of outrage that many of us have expressed about the main-stream narrative and the fascistic “health” policies that many governments have been foisting upon everyday people.
People do what they do and should not be demonized. Some, like myself, took the shots at the beginning because we were sweet-talked into doing it. Later we realized how lethal and non-effective the shots are/were, and decided not to get any more shots. We actually LEARNED something, and we should not be shamed for getting those first two shots. We should be commended for standing up to the tyranny that has overtaken our culture, and for trying to stay informed.
Likewise, people who didn’t take any of the shots are to be commended. They stood up against all kinds of pressure and many lost their jobs, like Dr. John Day and others. Bravo for them!
But those who were fooled, or shamed, or threatened into taking the shots — neither shouild any of them be treated with contempt here. They are the victims, not the purpetrators, of the great crime that has been unleashed upon us and our society.
Please, kultsommer and aspnaz, refrain from attacking other commenters. It doesn’t become you, it is boring and upsetting to read, and it gets us nowhere. There are far more important things to focus on than getting into these spats and insult-fests online.
And many thanks, as always, to Ilargi, for his diligent work in collecting so many interesting and informative items for us to peruse every day, and for hosting our comments as well. He is a treasure and is much appreciated in my household.November 25, 2022 at 10:41 pm #121864
“Paranoid Weirdo Leftist SoyBoy VaxCuck Calls For Military To Forcibly Vaccinate Entire Population”
I invite us to consider how much of such things are astro-turfed at this point, by bipartisan sources, to discredit various camps of belief or merely to have Siri and her fairy friends analyse the discursive traffic to see how x affects y etc.
“Leftist” astroturfers might do it to probe how gullible their followers can be (or no longer are).
“Rightist” astroturfers might do it to discredit leftist followers as gullible. (I know: none of these people actually work even remotely for a living; running spreadsheet charts on AI’s suggested outcome profiles etc. concerning how gullible are the gullible sounds like teaching babies how to burble. The Info Economy. (It’s like WES quotes the USSR proles: “We pretend to work; you pretend to pay us.”)
My son tells me that the above is the hippest online meme, in MilliGenzie terms, that I’ve shared with him. He is 28 years old, cusp Milli/Genz.November 25, 2022 at 10:42 pm #121865
Try again:November 25, 2022 at 10:44 pm #121866
@Formerly T-Bear #121856
…but their WORTH comes from their traditional place in society.
Lawyers, Priests, Doctors, Journalists
They have a special place in society because of their level and type of education, yes. Also their jobs, yes. But not really. IF that were the case, any number of other ethics-less jobs would be just as respected. But they have not been. A hedge fund guy earning 10x a doctor has been, in times past, been seen as LESS of a man than a doctor. Less valued, less respected by far.
The privacy with client, confessor, patient, or source is not mere humdrum commonplace. They are the pillars of civilization.
A doctor who acts as an obedient bureaucratic functionary is not a doctor. They are a bureaucrat. A Mandarin who has done the proper schooling to get a secure position, but has no code, no ethics. NOT a doctor. Someone who looks at a computer screen, reads from it, and sends you out for tests or specialists depending on what the screen tells them.
The value of doctors is AS doctors. Just as the value of journalists is AS journalists.
As they fail to exercise their special powers, they lose them, until they become obedient, valueless functionaries.
The only doctors and nurses we know for SURE are real doctors and nurses are the ones who got fired.
Those are the only ones I trust.November 25, 2022 at 10:44 pm #121867
Couldn’t load the original meme, whose tag line was ‘Born just in time to pay .99 for a ringtone.’November 25, 2022 at 11:00 pm #121868
“As they fail to exercise their special powers, they lose them, until they become obedient, valueless functionaries.
“The only doctors and nurses we know for SURE are real doctors and nurses are the ones who got fired.
“Those are the only ones I trust.”
Curtis Yarwin said, early on in the first months of covid-becoming-covidiocy, that it marked the end of medicine and science in general (since the technosphere’s collapse would be so much hastened by covidiotics)
Googling ‘covidiot’ to see what images arose, I was surprised to find the following:
If one interpreted the Golden Rule as written, then calling vax victims stupid idiots who deserve their fate is only a reflection of how many of them have treated us.
Man, this is going tobe a Jacobian nightmare.
“La guillotine permanente – French Revolutionary Song
I think you will find the lyrics eerily apt. You will also, I fear, find the chorus awfully catchy and inescapably uplifting. Revenge may be for suckers, and of little use in improving personal or general welfare, but the blood of injustice deems it undeniably sweet. I have so little chance of doing so, but I have one dream for this life of mine: to somehow take a few young children out of the mayhem if only long enough not to watch their parents turn into morbid monsters. If only that much. But I’d prefer the miracle include a way for someone, even ancient old She’n’I, to raise them long enough for sane younguns to take over.November 25, 2022 at 11:00 pm #121869
lol I have to say I genuinely kinda like you now, to my surprise. But naturally I am going to pick on the one thing I take exception to, ’cause internets
Gen X (punk) culture is at its apex, peering unwittingly downhill thinking the world is their personal rollercoaster, forgetting that the bottom of the hill is a geriatric crash-landing; we Boomers snickered schadenfreudistically from our rocking chairs.
You have completely misunderstood GenX. (and now a guy who loves Axis Bold as Love, Chicago Transit Authority, and Relayer has to cite punk culture..)November 25, 2022 at 11:05 pm #121870
Sadly, searching for the guillotine song revealed this:
Am I insulting everyone when I say that sometimes it just feels like We Are So Fucked? Never mind that the music is vapid, bland, even sterile as a Genzie male metrosexual vegan’s sperm count; the masks (or not)… it makes the decadence of 1920s Berlin appear wholesome, which it wasn’t, but also tremendously virile, which it was, but ten times so when compared to whatever that video is about.November 25, 2022 at 11:06 pm #121871
I just want to thank Germ for exposure to the paper indicating spike causes damage to the inside layer of blood vessels.
At that point I knew it was a bioweaponNovember 25, 2022 at 11:07 pm #121872
The lyrics tell what my son tells me: the younguns know they’re fucked, but don’t have the means, the will, to face it. Raised on illusions, illusions are all they know:
I don’t have the answers,
Not one, none at all
All I have are rituals,
That I hope would work after all
I’ll kneel not for you
I’d steal a prayer or two
And whisper them to saner gods,
In the name
In the name
In the name of
I’m not dark and doomed,
My ways are not of voodoo,
I labor as you do and fall,
Vulnerable to instincts
And circumstances too
I’ll kneel not for you,
I’d steal a prayer or two,
And whisper them to saner gods,
In the name
In the name
In the name of
A witch begging for
I’m still not sure
What my sorry is for
I know I’m still not
The author of that wicked past
Neither of the monstrous thoughts
You accuse me of
You see in front of the starving crowd
I’d simply disappoint, they’ve seen it all
Surely, they’d want more
In their faces, you’d find no trace of triumph
And my eyes can attest to that
My sea of relief could then gush out
Soon as my guillotine drops
Soon as my guillotine drops
Soon as my guillotine drops
Soon as my, my guilty head dropsNovember 25, 2022 at 11:42 pm #121874
comments section here today is..
flora has a few good ones over at NC. good to read that flora is a bike rider; it’s a very grounding thing to do, as those who do it regularly know-without-knowing. MWC wrote deeply on that topic; hard miles make the Rider.November 25, 2022 at 11:43 pm #121875
Thank you Michael Reid.
“Ninth Circuit upholds firing of UC Irvine medical ethics director who refused COVID-19 vaccine”
‘Dr. Aaron Kheriaty claimed he was “naturally immune” from the coronavirus because he had contracted the disease in July 2020 and recovered from it. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, however, has concluded that past infections do not lead to full immunity, and that previously infected people will be further protected once they are vaccinated.’
Science has died.November 26, 2022 at 12:01 am #121876
latest news update with Colonel Douglas Macgregor.November 26, 2022 at 12:22 am #121877
The next recording of Ockeghem’s Requiem, and other very good music from that period, is the one by The Clerks’ Group / Edward Wickham, recorded in 1996. I’ve had it for a few years without really taking to, or getting it, but suddenly this one seems
special. From time to time I think they could let the music breathe a little more, but maybe keeping the momentum was more the focus; also, I probably imprinted on the Hilliards’ slower recording. There is much more than the Requiem on this disc, and I’m still exploring that part.November 26, 2022 at 12:38 am #121878
Latest from the UK Gov!
3.4 Toxicology :
No toxicokinetic studies have been performed with the vaccine.”
No genotoxicity studies are planned for BNT162b2″
Carcinogenicity studies with BNT162b2 have not been conducted”
“Prenatal and postnatal development, including maternal function
No such studies have been done.”
“In the context of supply under Regulation 174, it is considered that sufficient reassurance of safe use of the vaccine in pregnant women cannot be provided at the present time: however, use in women of childbearing potential could be supported provided healthcare professionals are advised to rule out known or suspected pregnancy prior to vaccination. Women who are breastfeeding should also not be vaccinated.”
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-19/summary-public-assessment-report-for-pfizerbiontech-covid-19-vaccineNovember 26, 2022 at 12:47 am #121879
“How Vaccines Drive Covid Variants”
“With non-sterilising vaccines, ‘herd immunity’ becomes impossible and this goal should have been dropped immediately. But worse than that, the fact that the vaccines weren’t sterilising meant there was a large selective pressure for evolution and a sufficiently high viral ‘population’ in vaccinated individuals, and so this also meant that the virus could more effectively evolve vaccine escape.”
A big thank you to all the vaccinees, for it is actually YOU who are keeping this never ending shit-show going!November 26, 2022 at 1:07 am #121880
The Keystone of Corruption: Ukraine and the FTX Scandal
“What I learned is the corruption in Ukraine is vast, it’s extensive…. When the full scope of what happens in Ukraine comes out, there are going to be a lot of Americans who participated in the corruption… The Bidens took millions of dollars laundered out of Ukraine, and the only reason they’re getting away with it is because you and the press protect them…”
~ Rudy GiulianiNovember 26, 2022 at 1:08 am #121881November 26, 2022 at 1:11 am #121882
“Before they could get their faces directly over it, it went off, VERY loudly.”
An awful story yet it feeds me. My lust for life, to know reality, to take in as many perspectives, angles of compassion and personal experience, as I can without getting so close it burns my face off.
“lol I have to say I genuinely kinda like you now, to my surprise.”
You’ll get it over it in time, I suppose. But maybe not. Being from Saturn by way of Mars because I have always had to fight for my right to be me, which intensity increased over age and made me quite the hermit so as not to hurt more people and drive me even further inward, I can piss people off without meaning to, but also often piss people off on purpose (once they start anything)*doing so almost always to see if I can get their attention to look over its ego and consider certain data sans bias.
*not necessarily against me, maybe just too much of something I think needs debunking or challenging).
But lately I seem to have figured out the coordinates for straight transit from Saturn to Terra sans Martian stopovers. Maybe I won’t piss you off again down the road. Or perhaps you’ll piss me off again, but I either a) won’t stay pissed off as soon as I recognize the emotional trance state of being pissed off, and will just chuckle or at least shrug, or b) will remain pissed off but, having renounced very recently certain forms of social experimentation*, not express that anger, just smile and be nice, something I’ve yearned to do for ages but passion and honor forbade me for many decades. Ah, just being nice… it’s like cool moist fall air on a warm spring morning… ahhh…
*experimentation using various form of transgression, especially those related to anger, as sticks with which to beat upon people’s psyches with the same intention one would have, back in the day of cathode ray televisions, when one smacked the tv/radio hard to get it ‘back on the channel’ or simply turn on (which worked often enough to be everyone’s #1 go-to method when the reception was acting up).
“But naturally I am going to pick on the one thing I take exception to, ’cause internets….You have completely misunderstood GenX. (and now a guy who loves Axis Bold as Love, Chicago Transit Authority, and Relayer has to cite punk culture..)”
Thanx for pissing me off (and so reliably)!). It’s an honor, sir. In fact, I think I’ll respond with a bit of aggressive vigor cuz it’s all just good sport, right? (?)
A) I never claimed to understand punk culture.
B) I’ve been watching, for awhile, Gen-Xers in their early-pre-geriatric (like pre-menopausal) rocker chairs do just what the Boomers did in SLC Punk
c) my point was that every generation goes down the same pop cultural conform-to-the-new-anticonformism/rebel-against-the-old-rebellion jive, and ends up selling/making bullshit for the man.
d) (assuming the following phrase colored your interpretation) “their own personal rollercoaster” isn’t a sociopoliticoeconomic concept: it’s just about being young and the sense of surety in the Next New Thing that youth endows, even if the Next New Thing’s motto is Fuck Every Next New Thing That Ever Was or Will Be.
But I’m known for being verbose. Let me be brief: no, you’re wrong. 🙂
But I am not even slightly facetious when I say I’m honored and am not concerned in this exchange with proving I’m right nor even making sure I’m not being misunderstood or accused of something I didn’t do: I did it for the fun of it. I mean, if we’re gonna do all this Wii/Star Wars kid virtual fight online role-play stuff (ahem: excuse me, I meant ‘serious debate’), let’s do it with some attitude.
cuz it seriously doesn’t bother me at all either way. But you had me at “Cause Internets”. Amen.
Gen-X punks remind me of 50s Beatniks, who were really the upper crust distillate of Depression/WWII hepcats who were “beat. man”. (I know, I know, most of us here understand that it’s a spectrum. I’m not playing history prof knowitall here.) Point being that the ‘niks were all about, you know, “I saw the best minds of my generation turned into box cars” and were the original Drop-Out Generation. They didn’t see the looming 60s as a time of exciting innovations and alla that. It was hard to be a nonconformist back then (although paradoxically, financially much easier with lotsa cheap old farmhouse vacated by Depression Dust Bowl consequences and so forth). The’ niks were a very alienated generation, bridging the 4th Generation Theories ‘Artist Generation’ (SIlent Generation) with the ‘Prophet Generation’ (Boomer “Me Generation’: a title we loathed because our parents had made it all about us to escape having to deal with who they were).
The Boomer Prophets were a mirror image of their parents (so-called Greatest Generation): idealistic, eager to roll up their sleeves like Rosie the Riveter and git’r’dun, even eager to go to Nam and die for their country (until Nam showed us the truth, which event is a major defining influence in Gen-X, of course). Just like their parents. So naturally they hated each other as generations.
Mirroring generations, in sequence
Gern-z continuum/every other generation: GenZ<>Gen-X, Gen-X<>Silent Generation<>Silent Generation<>Lost Generation
Millennial continuum/every other generation: Millennials<>Boomers, Boomers<>Greatest Generation (aka GI Generation)<>people born in Reconstruction America “Mission Generation” (children of Civil War generation comparable to GI Gen; these children were comparable to Boomers/Idealist Prophets
The above is based on these correlative Gen names per popular names and 4th Turning generational theory, listen in linear order from today’s children under 15 or so:
High … Prophet (Idealist)… Gen Alpha /Boomer/Mission (Civil War Reconstruction)/Transcendental (‘Era of Good Feelings’/Great Awakening<>Burnt Over District)
Awakening … Nomad (Reactive)… Gen X/Lost Generation/Gilded Generation (not Gilded Age, but 1822/1842: the disillusioned born after the Era of Good Feelings)/Liberty Generation (American forefathers)
Unraveling … Hero (Civic) … Millennials/GI Generation/Republican Generation (American Revolution’s “GI Gen”)
Crisis … Artist (Adaptive) … Gen Z/Silent/Progressive Generation (1843 to 1859) Liberty Generation (generation that birthed the American forefathers)
Lotta overlap, of course. More like over-lapping ovals in linear sequence.November 26, 2022 at 1:39 am #121883AfewknowthetruthParticipant
‘after 3 years of mass murder perpetrated upon those 8 billion people, not even one person of that targeted population has opted to just get up off of their ass and go assassinate ANY of the known perpetrators as a justifiable act of self defense, or revenge or general disgruntlement. Bear in mind that this is in a world where wearing the wrong shoes in the wrong neighborhood can getcha killed six different ways from Sunday (happens every day).
I find that to be rather improbable, statistically speaking, and yet there it is. The probability APPEARS to be roughly 0.00000000000 % . Plain fact.
I wonder how that could even be, which in turn makes me wonder if there is some other, obscured, factor at play that I’m not seeing’
1. This is pure hearsay but very believable. When the topic of the Scorpion came up in conversation at a supermarket, a woman declared: “She doesn’t go anywhere without 30 armed bodyguards.”
I suspect any venue she intends to visit is thoroughly locked-down and searched for at least two days before arrival. And additional ‘security forces’ brought in on the day.
I have seen no recent videos but a year or so ago the Scorpion ran for her life when an assembly Maori sang: “You can stick your vaccines up your arse.”
2. Following the highly suspicious (some say fake) Christchurch ‘terror attack’ the totalitarian fascists who lord it over NZ passed legislation to make the ownership of many weapons illegal. Canadian Prepper recently highlighted a similar move in Canada by the totalitarian fascists who are currently in control there.
3. The totalitarian fascists who hold power in NZ at the moment have made a big issue out of ‘hate speech’. One does not need to even attempt to carry out physical violence to get arrested. Peaceful protest is considered just cause to arrest anyone (that has been the case for a long time, but the present mob of fascists have taken everything to a higher level).
4. The 8 billion is incorrect. The population of ‘Oceania’ is only about 12% of world population = 0.5 billion 🙂
5. A large portion of the populace of ‘Oceania’ has been sufficiently propagandised for them to ‘Love Big Brother’ and the very thought of committing ‘Though-crime’ is completely alien to them.
Never forget, politics in NATOstan countries is all a puppet show, with very-well-paid actors.
6. There is much speculation how many doubles these actors have, i.e. lesser-paid actors who fill in.
If you have not see it, The Eagle Has Landed’ (plot to assassinate Churchill) concluded with the death of a stand-in for Churchill. The real Churchill was nowhere near the place the German assassination team thought (probably at a drunken orgy).November 26, 2022 at 2:03 am #121884
When will one of this site’s many explainers- eloquent, they are! if long-winded, always typo-free, with their well-marshaled but finally cotton candy arguments ( is there a There, there?) turn their *vast* expertise toward the real issue: What is to be *done*, in the face of this well-coordinated, long term project against the great majority of the world’s humans? *Why do The Explainers focus entirely on what’s being inflicted by the rulers* (we KNOW, dudes..) , rather than positive actions? The former leads only to hand-wringing helplessness..
What shall one do, now, and who shall one trust? I wonder what flora thinks.November 26, 2022 at 2:13 am #121885oldandtiredParticipant
In Phoenix, AZ, the streetcar rail was torn out by government, and countless roads paved, to facilitate autos. Without streetcars, the people were more inclined to purchase autos.
Los Angeles, California. General Motors bought the street cars. Then shut them down. As I recall.November 26, 2022 at 2:21 am #121886
Here is a link to some reviews of the Ockeghem / Clerks’ disc I mentioned above. YMMV, since it’s art.
To have heard this one first might have been better.November 26, 2022 at 2:33 am #121887
“When will one of this site’s many explainers… turn their *vast* expertise toward the real issue: What is to be *done*, in the face of this well-coordinated, long term project against the great majority of the world’s humans? *Why do The Explainers focus entirely on what’s being inflicted by the rulers* (we KNOW, dudes..) , rather than positive actions? The former leads only to hand-wringing helplessness…What shall one do, now, and who shall one trust? I wonder what flora thinks.”
Many of us have. Not everyone likes everyone’s Rx, so, rather than settle for bemoaning our eloquent lack of What You Want to Hear, how about giving us a sample of what you think is sufficiently relevant to dealing with Life on Terra? Perhaps we might then have something to offer that pleaseth thou.
“*Why do The Explainers focus entirely on what’s being inflicted by the rulers* (we KNOW, dudes..) , rather than positive actions? The former leads only to hand-wringing helplessness..”
I recall taking you to task for just this many times back in the day when you were sure I was a bot for TPTB. Now, I like Ockenhagem as much as anyone, and think that a solar-powered MP3 setup playing music like that could be very helpful in dealing positively with the shitrain coming down from on high as it ever has, but for some reason, I can’t help but think you mean something a little more specific, practical, even nuts’n’bolty.
Also fwiw, while I really don’t care what you think of me or other loquacious posters here and beyond, that doesn’t mean I’m not interested in what you think about things that, per your thinking, really matter. It just means that I’m not interested in your stye-ratings of how I or others don’t say what it is that you want us to say. When we critiqued Germ ad infinitum we at least critiqued what Germ actually said.
Perhaps you could provide us a script? Like they use in call-centers. How about a
singalong? Do You Need Anybody? What Do You See When You Turn Out the Light?
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