November 5, 2021 at 12:22 am #91572
Updated OSHA ETS being published. Affects all companies with 100 or more employees, public or private. Attorney Generals are saddling up.
I am confused, you state that OSHA will not require employers to implement vaccine mandates but isn’t that what the order does?…
“Under this standard, covered employers must develop, implement and enforce a mandatory COVID-19 vaccination policy, unless they adopt a policy requiring employees to choose to either be vaccinated or undergo regular COVID-19 testing and wear a face covering at work.” from https://www.osha.gov/news/newsreleases/national/11042021
* Eric J. Conn November 4, 2021 at 1:20 pm No. It doesn’t. It’s worded very strangely, sort of suggesting that it will mandate vaccines, but they did just to make it clear that employers were permitted to mandate vaccines if they wanted to. But if you read it carefully, it’s clear that employers are required to either mandate vaccines, or require testing for individuals who do not want to get vaccinated.November 5, 2021 at 12:27 am #91573November 5, 2021 at 12:31 am #91574November 5, 2021 at 12:39 am #91575
Jesus Christ. Oooooooh. A list of athletes who died? Must have been the vaccine. Surely it was!
One of them, Alex Apolinario, died in early January. I wonder if he had the special, early vaccine? Probably. Because, when an athlete dies, or really, when anyone dies, you dummies correlate it to your pathetic delusions.
Here is an article from 2012 talking about why there are so many young athletes having heart attacks or collapsing or even dying. Hey- maybe they had the reaaaaaaaly early covid vaccine? That’s gotta be it!
You. People. Are. Fucking. Crazy.
The fact that this may be the first time you heard of this is not surprising.November 5, 2021 at 12:52 am #91576
Sure can’t be the vax, because elite athletes dying on the pitch is as common as the cold, right?
Geesh, Methinks you’re in error about who the crazy one is around here. Check a mirror.November 5, 2021 at 12:56 am #91577
I have hunch these involve clotting. Different mechanism, Hard to now without proper autopsies.November 5, 2021 at 1:05 am #91578
Maybe you missed the article I posted? From 2012. You know, when elite athletes were dying on the pitch? And it was common enough for articles to ask why? Maybe you missed the fact that FIFA has been issuing AED-Sudden cardiac arrest emergency bags since like 2013? I wonder what vaccine was causing that back then?
Or maybe you just want to keep the delusion alive.
Reminds me of being like 10 years old and trying to scare ourselves as kids. Every dark corner had a monster. The woods had the Jersey devil, or big foot. UFO’s were real. Every light in the sky was definitely a UFO. I don’t think some of you have progressed beyond that level.November 5, 2021 at 1:07 am #91579
I have hunch these involve clotting. Different mechanism, Hard to now without proper autopsies.
Of course you do.
I have a hunch that this sort of thing has been going on for a long time, because, frankly, it has.
I also have a hunch that you will ignore that piece of the equation.November 5, 2021 at 1:10 am #91580
Sure, they were dying left and right then. Yeah, right.
45 years of watching sports. Know how many I heard die in their prime? One. Lenny Bias, from a drug.November 5, 2021 at 1:32 am #91581
45 years of watching sports. Know how many I heard die in their prime? One. Lenny Bias, from a drug.
Maybe you should pay better attention.
Hey everybody- because PTBarnum hasn’t heard of sudden cardiac arrest—- it means it isn’t a thing!
Fucking. Dumbbbbbbb.November 5, 2021 at 1:38 am #91582
Hey I liked your stewpeter play. What’s really eating you? Anyway, I think to have a discussion about my hunch you should familiarize yourself with this Kahn Academy series on the lymphatic/circulatory system. My heart (pun intended) is helping my brothers and sisters beat the mandate, but I will get back to this in the future. I take it you got the shot. So while you are studying try and imagine where all those LNPs are going. Each one with the potential to make 150 million spikes over a two day period. There are two key pieces of understanding buried in series.November 5, 2021 at 1:39 am #91583
New York to address sudden cardiac arrest in student athletes:
Sudden cardiac arrest is a leading killer of college athletes. Here’s the NCAA’s plan of attack. FROM 2016
AEDs can prevent young athletes from dying of sudden cardiac arrest
Do you need more?
Maybe you know how to use google? You should try it. If you are a really smart user of google, you could put in a custom date range and find articles about
sudden cardiac arrest
from many years ago that had nothing to do with your fucking delusions.November 5, 2021 at 1:40 am #91584
For most athletes, no, it’s actually not a thing, but you go right ahead and believe the establishment media over your lying eyes.November 5, 2021 at 1:42 am #91585₿oogalooParticipant
I remember when Hank Gathers collapsed and died. I remember that being exceptional and shocking, not something routine.November 5, 2021 at 1:44 am #91586
” The rate of sudden cardiac arrest during exercise in competitive athletes is about 0.75 per 100 000 athletes per year.”
In other words, practically non-existent. But do go on, deflatulence.November 5, 2021 at 1:46 am #91587
Sudden cardiac death is the most common medical cause of death in athletes, with an incidence of around 1 in 40,000 to 1 in 80,000 athletes per year according to the most recent estimates.
You’re a dummy.November 5, 2021 at 1:49 am #91588
Sudden cardiac arrest, a deadly condition that occurs when the heart unexpectedly stops beating, has long been a conundrum for heart doctors. It kills more than 300,000 Americans each year, and was generally believed to strike without warning.November 5, 2021 at 1:50 am #91589
With sudden cardiac death, people who seem to be perfectly healthy can die suddenly. Each year up to 40,000 Canadians die of sudden cardiac arrest. A significant proportion of these cases occur in otherwise healthy, young individuals.November 5, 2021 at 1:53 am #91590
Science Daily? Try again.November 5, 2021 at 2:04 am #91591
I love people, in this cesspool of disinformation, claiming some links are beyond the pale. And then they drool over links posted here from places like Epoch Times, Infowars, etc and the daily BS that gets posted here as if it was fact. Use google yourself dip shit. It’s not very difficult. There are thousands of articles showing that what you are saying is not a thing, IS a thing. And has been. For decades.
Do I really need to go on?November 5, 2021 at 2:14 am #91592zerosumParticipant
Let It Go lyrics
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Last go round with you.
“A recent estimate of SCD incidence ranged from 1 in 40,000 to 1 in 80,000 athletes per year.12 Though SCD is rare,….” Until 2021, that is.November 5, 2021 at 2:18 am #91594
Until 2021, that is.
Yeah, until people like you look for correlations where ever you can. Then, and only then, is it a thing, and you think it is because of something other than what it has been about for decades.
So. Fucking. Dumb.November 5, 2021 at 2:24 am #91595phoenixvoiceParticipant
Let’s face it. That is the reason for aggregating data and for studies. Most people’s anecdotal experience is insufficient to judge one way or another. So, either a study needs to be done…or, we talk to the people who regularly interact with those who are experiencing SCD and other immediate cardiac issues…like paramedics and ER doctors and nurses — because those people’s anecdotal evidence can serve as the “canary in the coal mine.”
However, in THIS case, we can look at the VAERS and similar databases…which is data aggregation. There is enough of a rise that it appears in these databases, enough of a rise that there were 5 studies commissioned on it by the FDA in the Aug 23 letter where it authorized Comirnaty.November 5, 2021 at 2:42 am #91596those darned kidsParticipant
now, i am definitely convinced these vaccines are safe and effective – especially when a foul-mouthed random poster with poor writing skills tells me so.
never mind the four people i know personally who ended up in hospital immediately after their injections.
i never realized how fucking dumb i was until you came along. thanks!
from now on, i will use intelligent language in my posts to convince these posters they are dumb poopoo heads with caca on top.
so. many. clichés.November 5, 2021 at 3:01 am #91597praecursatorParticipant
Re: Deflationista comment #91575
Well . . . just going back to the initial article posted – in particular the first paragraph:
Fabrice Muamba, a 23-year-old professional soccer player in Britain, collapsed during a game last month after suffering cardiac arrest. He’s now up and walking. A 27-year-old Indian soccer player was not so lucky: He died a few days after having cardiac arrest during a match. At least six other professional soccer players around the world have died in the last three years from cardiac-related incidents. As well, not a year goes by now without news of a marathoner who died in a race because of a heart attack or cardiac arrest.
Adding up the numbers:
1 (2012 British soccer player collapse)
1 (2012 Indian soccer player death)
2/year (over the last three years – six soccer player deaths)
1/year (hardly a year – without a marathoner’s death)
It thus would appear that the subject of the article is one death and one collapse in 2012, and something less than three deaths /year otherwise – apparently worldwide.November 5, 2021 at 3:22 am #91598
Let’s take the latest numbers from 2019 and create a best guess scenario of mean deaths in athletes from SCD.
In 2019, 19.3 % of the population was engaged in competitive sports at all levels. Comes to approximately 63.7 million people.
Rate for SCDs of 1 per 53,703 (Mean from all studies, Table 1)
63.7 million/ 53,703 = 1,186 deaths
1,186 deaths/ 63.7 million participants = .0000186%
Rare.November 5, 2021 at 3:25 am #91599
But then, we can let defaction keep spazzing out over a disease with a 99.76% survival rate without a vaccine. I suppose it is kind of fun to watch. Like a clown show, that is.November 5, 2021 at 3:40 am #91600my parents said knowParticipant
Herr W: “…not killing people that much, etc.”- you need to comment here more.November 5, 2021 at 3:52 am #91601sumac.carolParticipant
Bosco glad to see you back. I’m kind of on the same page re where we are headed. We can’t as a species seemingly get ourselves to respond sensibly to existential threats that are not immediate for us. In relation to the COP meeting, banks have been caught cheating again, overstating their climate change efforts. Other big players also caught over-stating the real impacts of their efforts. You would think that now, if ever, is the time for honesty, but nope! In my social circle, the chatter among many is getting back to jetting off somewhere now that the world is open again. They are all vaxed and covid is the only threat they adjust their behaviour for – not climate change.
Getting the orchard ready for its winter sleep, spreading compost and hardwood chips, raking leaves and spreading Lyme on them to hasten decomposition, mowing, doing the final natural spray (neem, kelp etc) on the bark of the mostly leafless trees, and installing wire mesh around the trunks to keep hungry voles from stripping the bark when they over winter. Getting chilly now, but working is easier in the cool weather and the air is fresh and beautiful this time of year.November 5, 2021 at 11:15 am #91611boscohorowitzParticipant
“Getting chilly now, but working is easier in the cool weather and the air is fresh and beautiful this time of year.”
Thanx for the snapshot, sumac. As a yopung drifter, I picked a lot of fruit in the Yakima Valley. Orchards were like a second home to me. Hobo’s paradise.November 5, 2021 at 12:51 pm #91618John DayParticipant
@Nuevo-deflationista: Constructive efforts today, and definitely seeming more human. Are you the human minder, at least sometimes, and/or is this a new “anger” setting for AI, to make it seem less bland and mechanical?
How many excess sudden cardiac deaths? When? Autopsy findings?
If these are from clotting and heart muscle death, they are different than if they are from the structural anomaly “IHSS”, or from abnormal electrical rhythms, like re-entrant arrhythmias.
Autopsy would distinguish.
I agree that we should know, rather than speculate, but nobody gets an autopsy these days, for some reason, or we don’t get told…
What you decry is pattern-recognition. We all do pattern-recognition. It is a very useful form of intelligence. It can be overdone or underdone… Or juuust-right!
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