September 12, 2021 at 5:15 pm #86984Raúl Ilargi MeijerKeymaster
Thomas Cole The Course of Empire – The Savage State 1834 There is nothing wrong with people remembering their departed loved ones; mourn
[See the full post at: The Narrative of Loss]September 12, 2021 at 6:49 pm #86988ArchieParticipant
The good citizens of my mountain community were singing God Bless America last night in the pavilion across the street from me. I turned my first responder’s flag upside down in response.September 12, 2021 at 7:18 pm #86989ezlxa1949Participant
In Australia 9/11 produced some comment in the media, but not much. That day is already ancient history for so many people.
Thomas Cole’s painting is one of a series of 5. Number 4 has had a lot of exposure on the Internet. Wikipedia says that his paintings reflect “popular American sentiments of the times, when many saw pastoralism as the ideal phase of human civilization, fearing that empire would lead to gluttony and inevitable decay”.
Gluttony and decay. Ain’t that the prophectic truth! All empires follow the same trajectory. When will they ever learn?September 12, 2021 at 7:43 pm #86993ezlxa1949Participant
I strongly recommend that everybody read How to Have Impossible Conversations by Peter Boghossian and James Lindsay (ISBN: 9780738285320). I have read it, need to re-read it, and find that it is indeed a very practical guide. Today more than ever we need this kind of practical wisdom and advice. May those who attend TAE become bright examples of reasoning and reasoned discourse.
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Please do not buy it from Amazon if you can possibly avoid it. Give someone else a go.September 12, 2021 at 7:46 pm #86995a kullervoParticipant
Mankind’s most treasured delusion:
– Pursuit of happiness = pursuit of immortality (as a species at first and then as discrete eternal individuals.)
Humans fell for it hook, line, and sinker because they overlooked the most insidious delusion of them all: the illusion of (having) free will.September 12, 2021 at 8:03 pm #86997DarkMatterParticipant
So interesting that you mention the book by Peter Boghossian and James Lindsay. Boghossian just quit Portland State University where he was professor of philosophy for 10 years because he says the university is all about conformity to wokeness now and just a social justice factory:
Makes me even more interested in reading his book.September 12, 2021 at 9:07 pm #87003graffitiParticipant
It seems if the US wanted revenge for 9/11 they should have invaded Saudi Arabia. Oops.September 12, 2021 at 9:23 pm #87006Veracious PoetParticipant
I remember watching a video with Larry Silverstein, who had bought all -or most- of the WTC complex just 3 months before 9/11 (always found that a weird detail), saying at some point during 9/11 the fire department decided to “pull the building”. The video is still up. And I thought: you can only “pull” a building if you loaded it up with explosives first, which for a building the size of WTC7 takes days. Why on earth would you have done that in early September or before??
I lived through 9/11, working 4 blocks from WTC, I can’t even describe what it was like for those of us that had to live through that nightmare…
My family & I regularly visited the Windows On the World restaurant, the last time a week before the debacle ~ I was in & about the WTC complex on a daily basis…
I also have a friend that was one of two FDNY that was the last humans that made it out of WTC #1 before it collapsed, there’s a picture of him + the other FDNY walking out with a large black woman & white man, I’m sure some of you saw it.
We had dinner together several times into 2002, when he retired & moved away ~ After he left the hospital he went to work for the FBI as a forensics expert, he was the first to tell me the building was rigged with explosives long before the attack…
I worked in the legal/law enforcement complex in lower Manhattan, the air was so toxic I wouldn’t let my wife come into work for 6 months following the attacks, I’m sure that 100,000s of people got pulmonary diseases, like myself, & many having already passed.
The first day my wife came in we walked down Park Row to Broadway, with N95 masks, & looking down Broadway it looked like the inside of a Snow Globe. Thousands of unmasked people were walking about like there was nothing wrong…
My only friends during our 20+ years there were senior LEOs (the good ones), with several close ones at the top of command.
I learned from several sources that it was decided after the 1993 bombing debacle that the WTC buildings would be setup for controlled demolition, because if they fell into the surrounding area the casualties would be exponentially worse ~ I am not making this up, it was common knowledge in the senior LEO community…
There was even a special maintenance crew to assure the demo system was safe & fully operational.
We didn’t lose anyone close to us on 9-11, but two clients had their offices destroyed & we had to write off $55k, which we did without reservation, but the impact from that disaster is still with us today, as I’m sure it is with uncountable others…
As per convention, the word monkeys only reported what they were told to report, my information was rejected as conspiracy theory or worse.
My brother, who was my assistant during those years, told me yesterday I was correct when I said on 9-11, “America will learn nothing from this, it will only empower TPTB to increase the pillage, loot & plunder”.
I truly wish I had been wrong…September 12, 2021 at 11:43 pm #87015aspnazParticipant
The virus is fake. I have held that position right from the very beginning when I heard about “all the people dying” and saw those first videos from China (or not from China, who knows).
When I lived in Africa, you knew when there was a medical plague because you would see very sick, sometimes basically dead, people among the huge lines of people queued up at the health clinics. You knew there was something up. Yet in Hong Kong where I live, there was no more ambulance activity than normal, no more police activity than normal, no sick people in the streets, so where were all these dead and dying people, the sorts of people we had seen in the first videos from China?
Then, as we got to know more, I realised that very few diseases have exactly the same symptoms as other diseases, and the similarity between flu and Covid was very suspect. Add to that that the overall death rates were not going crazy, the test was a complete fake and I was convinced this was another government crime.
Then, despite our wonderful technological ailities, the test never improved, the data collection never improved, nothing ever improved. All the countries in the world could coordinate lockdowns, travel restrictions and all the other oppressions, yet they couldn’t coordinate a data collection protocol so that we would know what is happening? Totally unbelievable.
Crooks, your government is full of murdering crooks.September 12, 2021 at 11:48 pm #87016choochParticipant
Remember OKC bombing. Maybe you missed this one. Reporting of multiple bombs from local news outlets.September 12, 2021 at 11:56 pm #87017Maxwell QuestParticipant
Great comment VP, really appreciate your first-hand account. It makes perfect sense that all 3 buildings were rigged for demolition after the failed 1993 bombing in the parking garage. Having either of the towers topple like an enormous tree onto several blocks of buildings would have been catastrophic. This also explains the “pull the building” comment, and (if memory serves me) the premature news broadcast of 7 WTC’s demise.
It also makes sense that the demolition rigging be a closely guarded secret. There are many skyscrapers in NY and around the world. It might make it difficult to find tenants if people knew that their offices on the 50th floor were in a building rigged with explosives just in case. Not to mention the danger of this information falling into the hands of the wrong people. Then there would be no need for flight training and the hijacking of planes, just gain access to the secret demo system and throw the switch.September 13, 2021 at 12:56 am #87020my parents said knowParticipant
Here is a video a caller on CSPAN recommended (a democrat!) made by the firefighters who want answers. I thought it was very good. It’s called “Calling out Bravo Seven, the 2020 edition.” It’s probably been posted before….
9/11 set the stage for “we need to stay safe”. Covid was a cinch after that.
Who are we keeping safe? There’s an awful lot of dead bodies to mourn for our methods for “staying safe”.September 13, 2021 at 1:33 am #87023September 13, 2021 at 2:08 am #87024Veracious PoetParticipant
The Feds knew that islamic terrorists wanted to highjack commercial aircraft back to at least 1996, when that information came out from the trial of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
You know, the same trial transcripts that implicated the FBI into supplying the terrorists with bombs, where it was planned to knock WTC1 down & into WTC2, as part of some sort of botched “sting” operation…
They also knew that the WTC was a prime target for the terrorist whack-a-doodles, among others…
Talk about keystone kops, or was it something worse?
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