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The whole concept of National Divorce is so amazingly retarded.
They won’t leave us alone NOW and they funnel hundreds of billions – trillions – of dollars towards constant activity against us, hate us, want us dead, etc – but if we GIVE THEM THEIR OWN COUNTRY they totally won’t keep doing what they do or use their existing resources PLUS a country – and with their activities managed from outside our jurisdiction, this will make us so much safer and more stable.
Fucking brilliant, right? Let’s have a color revolution every year – no, every month.
Democrats seceded from the Union (again) about 10 years ago.
The only question is, after all they’ve done, do you suppose they get actual LAND out of it?
Did they WIN what they started?
A “National Divorce” discussion NOW is like a discussion in which Ukraine makes peace with Russia, the terms consisting of NATO membership, ownership of Crimea, etc. Have you noticed whether you are winning AT ALL?
the alleged shooter had to murder a conservative because he wanted to “fight hate”
Damn, this is JUST as difficult as discovering if someone is a biological man or woman without showing their genitals! …how will we ever determine that he was not on the Right? Get JK Rowling to look at his post really quick for us, she can solve the mystery in 2 seconds.
Surely, in 2025, you have to give leftists full CONSIDERATION. You have to eradicate EVERY SINGLE appeal to benefit of the doubt they spam you with, come up with a completely 100% metaphysically certain determination or be – gasp – unfair, should self-destruct!
(while, using the Assertion Birdshot tactic, more assertions than you can handle continue to pile up that you cannot possibly process in the same “fair” manner, which is the whole point and the only thing occurring… your gears must freeze up and you must become passive, helpless, or… actually, you just must. No other option being offered.)
President Trump defined “hate speech” as those being “unfair” to him, adding that they might be prosecuted.
Stuff that doesn’t obsequiously agree with me – hate speech – so we are continuing with the agreed definition still. Just, in a direction leftists do not like.
If we can get them to demand the Epstein files release, can we get them to denounce the concept of hate speech? Trump’s Cure For Cancer coming up to test the theory?
Destiny (a famous vlogger/youtuber)
“conservatives need to be afraid of being KILLED, when they go to events. So they look to their leadership to turn down the temperature. The issue is that they don’t feel like there is any fear-”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLyvnRewP_ETrump is shot, a president – The Right (any normal person anywhere) is not afraid enough
Charlie Kirk shot and killed – not a political leader, just a guy who gets up and talks – The Right (any normal person anywhere) is not afraid enough
He’s saying not leaders, not extremists, not prominent people – ORDINARY people with MODERATE views like Charlie “need to be afraid of being KILLED” Destiny expresses extreme exasperation after saying this. Like he DESERVES that ordinary people cower in fear and cannot understand them not doing it yet.
Left spent the last 10 years destroying everything and everyone they could get away with in any way and extent they could get away with. Shoots a guy for talking — YOU people better CALM DOWN. ALSO, repeal the 2nd amendment or we’ll shoot you. And then we’ll shoot you.
Destiny: “Where are the free speech warriors?”
Reply in comments: One just got shot and you are cheering
other comments from Youtube:
“If you believe in civil discourse, it is hypocritical for you to fight back when you’re being assaulted” – Fair minded, wise and enlightened people whose approval means the world to us.
This is the intended meaning of Popper’s Paradox of Tolerance. Its not talking about bigotry or intolerance towards minorities. Its saying you need to be intolerant of those calling for censorship (or violence because of what has been said).
As the Sargon’s law states: whatever leftie blames others for, they are themselves guilty of.
The lefts excuse is “look what you made me do”
inciting violence which includes direct threats and ‘making people afraid for their life’ has always been against the law in the U.S. it’s one of the few freedoms of speech you don’t have and never did. The law simply needs to be applied is all.
So a psycho leftist murders a mild conservative who just wanted conversation, and Destiny says he wants us to be afraid of more assassinations to make us shut up. He just endorsed using violence and fear of violence to pursue political goals. You know, the actual definition of terrorism.
This is called victim blaming. “You better not get mad or we’ll attack you!” Meanwhile the left just continues escalating. Theres not much further to go since they’ve already hit assassination levels, before it was political candidates, now its just dudes who speak.
(and he is threatening anyone who goes to listen TO dudes who speak)The paradox of tolerance states that when one side quits talking and resorts to violence, you should no longer tolerate those people.
They argue that speech and thoughts is violence because they want to justify violence against you
the last one is aaaaaalmost there. No, it isn’t even an excuse for violence.
They always thought of speech and physical violence as one smooth continuum of the same exact thing.
YOU think speech and violence are two different things, because you think language is for communication.
The final realization is that THEY haven’t thought that for DECADES.
“You might notice their culture is not like ours.”
yep, they’ve never used nuclear weapons.
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The Bataan Death March. The Rape of Nanking.
I agree, nevertheless, that the US should NOT have dropped the bomb on Japan. But when they adopted Western industry, weapons and combat doctrine, they should have adopted the Geneva convention so they could have been shielded by it – not to mention be treated as enemies, yes, but enemies within our own civilization.
Everyone knows the tale of how, if the US had invaded, Japanese deaths would have been way higher than the bomb dealt.
…AND everyone knows it would be stupid to wander into a bunch of people waiting in foxholes with bayonets and sharpened bamboo, when you can just blockade them at a distance.
But the Soviets were coming, and Berlin showed they were perfectly FINE with high casualties – their own and Japanese. The Bomb ended up saving Japanese lives. From a Soviet invasion. Reality sucks, there are tradeoffs.
yes indeed , the “You are us!” began immediately from the Left the moment the bullet hit an continue apace.
Psychological studies show that Leftists cannot understand the Right and project while the Right tend to be able to articulate the Left’s positions
YOU ARE THE SAME AS US THEREFORE YOU MUST DO NOTHING WHILE WE DO ANYTHING. Gotcha, gotcha. Yawn.
…you’re not ..anti-science, are you?
I’m sure we can pull from our bag of shared civilizational, cultural tools (proven over time to work by our generous ancestors,) to work hand in hand on solving our shared problems togeth— oh.
Yeah, every single reference to problem solving within your system, culture, nation, civilization, etc defines you as an enemy combatant or at best Falsely Conscious (not a real person) – after all, you exist within The System and are sustained by it. Are talking about maintaining it in some way together, implicitly. You may as well be barking or emitting pterodactyl screeches.
Apznaz the other day – jb-hb, you gonna say Kirk’s murder was wrong when he was PRO TRANS???
Like, I SHOULD be ok with his murder – for talking and THINKING – because I don’t fully agree with his current opinions (supposed opinions, supposed by leftists…) on Israel because in addition you tell me he was PRO TRANS… how dare I not be ok with murder taking into account not only Gaza but TRANS, woah???
Bro, abandoning decency and morality for an opinion… I get you’re doing like, a feminine sabotage strategy here of YOU do it an then I presumably go along and imitate you, unconsciously?
But bro, that’s YOU, man, that’s YOU. I’m saying the exact opposite. Projection isn’t just a river in Egypt.
“Tell you something funny: jb-hb hates woke yet mourns Kirk who promotes trannies. How does that work? He has become his enemy.”
Leftists are almost like insects, in that they are convinced certain specific One Weird Tricks are god mode like in a video game. Just keep relentlessly engaging in repetition.
I get that you have this fantasy in which you are Captain Kirk because you got a computer to cooperate and blow itself up if you could show it one tiny problem with itself.
When actually I don’t give much of a fuck about Charlie Kirk as an Israel supporter nor does his murder have anything to do with such a context. That you WANT it to be tells us something about you, that is all.
Charlie Kirk was murdered for practicing traditional American civic virtues. The ones they want to murder in their entirety.
And you think we, as a people, as a civilization, must lie down and die for you without a fight if you say “gaza”? I do not give a fuck.
If leftists cared about Gaza, they’d not have meatsuited the issue for pure machiavellian gain.
If they cared about Gaza, the’d use the very platform of discussion offered by Charlie Kirk to discuss Gaza. But they cannot bear discussion. And then, by way of Gaza, reference their own inability to bear discussion intersected (leftists love intersection,right?) with political murder – for TALKING and THINKING.
He had opinions you did not 100% disagree with, so then you project YOUR values onto ME saying oh, you going to have a problem with murder when I say to you he was pro trans, he had an OPINION?
Throwing away decency for opinions, that’s you man, that’s YOU, not me.
You leftists will not project yourselves onto the good guys. It won’t work. And you’ll keep upping the ante because you cannot stand that it doesn’t work. And as you say, you believe in Consequence Culture, right?
James Lindsey became a clueless douchebag because he lacked the ability to discern a weapon from a belief. 80% or more of what you are reading, James, is weapon not belief. Dumbass.
Because of their BELIEFS, their values, normal Americans did not want to use the same WEAPONS as the Left. (cancel culture being the weapon) And James Lindsey cannot tell, from the reluctance instead of craving enthusiasm to pick up and use the weapons, any difference in belief. Cannot discern!
But we realize the Left will not stop until they fully realize they want civil society back. That involves hitting rock bottom. Saul on the road to Damascus. Or 40’s Germany’s Götterdämmerung. They could watch the murders of Iryna Zarutska an Charlie Kirk and simply HAVE A HEART. Take the shortcut, leftists.
Lindsay sees the weapon used and says “Aha! The same beliefs! Woke Right, Woke Right!”
(and the weapons I am talking about here before and after this comment still remain cancel culture and similar dirty tricks, not violence…)
When of course, what is happening is that you cannot be civil FOR someone else. If they have any heart, yes, you can set an example, up to the point of being killed as a victim – and maybe you turn some people around who still have a heart. But until the leftist genuinely in their heart says they do not want any more of the tactics THEY use, do not want use of THEIR chosen weapons anymore, they want weapons laid down and a return to civil society… until they are at that point, those weapons WILL get used and the leftists have not explained what benefits we all will derive from giving them a monopoly on these weapons (leftists always, ALWAYS want a monopoly)
We did not see a moment of new clarity on the Left. They did NOT say this is a road we do not want to go down. There was celebrating. Refusal to honor. Disrupting and attacking vigils. IMMEDIATE, before anyone could even begin to discuss, possibly before his body could fall to the stage floor, infinite gaslighting “You are us. You do and will do all the things we do. Stop your violent rhetoric”
…IMMEDIATELY going to “repeal the 2nd amendment or leftists will shoot you” uh, sounds logical? I’m pretty sure leftists will shoot me if I DO repeal the 2nd and shooting me is exactly what repeal is FOR in leftist brains. Peaceful, empathetic Bernie Bros were telling Veritas how all Trump voters need to be sent to “reeducation camps” where I am sure the food is great and everything is super sanitary, right? And that was 10 years ago. FIVE years ago 33% of Democrats wanted to send people to camps for notavax. Today, 50+% of Democrats say political violence could be justified (that’s just the Democrats dumb enough to advocate violence online or to a stranger on the phone instead of lie…)
This was no road to Damascus for the Left. When you will not discuss, then what you DO is your only message. The message was:
“Your virtue is our shield. When I am weaker than you I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles”
That’s what everyone else watched with clear eyes. THIS is why people said “We are at war”
They do not mean “we are going to war” or “we declare war” or “we will get revenge” or any of that. It involved going through stages of realization, of orienting oneself to implacable reality.
1. Holy cow, I cannot believe they took it this far and did a political assassination….
2. Holy fuck, on a total moderate who only wanted to talk and was constantly making an effort to talk
3. Jesus fucking Christ, put aside his individual debate points, his VALUES were mine. My father’s, my grandfather’s. This is my family member, my neighbor, this is ME. (free speech, free association, exchange of ideas, civil engagement, basic respect…)
4. They killed him for being decent – for being the kind of decent I am, when I live up to my values. That’s what they were killing, not a specific PERSON, but an embodiment of those values in action. These values as a force in culture, society. …holy shit IN ANYONE, then.
5. They want ME dead in the same way, my friends, my neighbors, my family, my leaders by both example and by overt leadership.
6. Holy #%&# they have no scruples. The limit is whatever they can get away with.
7. But wait, look at all the different convergent methods, convergently attacking these same things. Oh god, 2020-present. Hold on, 2016-present. Holy #%&# 1969-present.
8. Oh my god, they are absolutely relentless, without mercy. Whatever seemed like restraint was only a kind of patience. I misinterpreted this as being fellow countrymen, kin, part of the broader family we were all in, relatives who disagree on opinions but part of the same household. I was willingly fooling myself about this to try to maintain the social contract.
9. Shit. They’ve been at war against me for decades. Wait, they’re full-spectrum trying to use the event to go FURTHER not reconsider. Taking this as an opportunity to disarm me …ah, and I know why they want that. Not to mention taking this as an occasion to slander me as evil yet again. What should at least give a normal person pause is being used instantly for every opportunity. Use every part of the buffalo.
10. Damn. They aren’t going to turn around, change their minds. They really are at war. They’ve been at war with me for decades without remorse. I think of talk and fight as two different things. They only see verbal exchange as a smooth, boundary-less spectrum of war, which is why the slider can be moved right up into assassination from speech. That means they’ve been fighting this entire time! If Charlie Kirk was an excellent debater, they just turned up the dial a bit on what they felt was the same exact scale, setting, to get one point higher and win. Just need Moar Power. FOR THEM, linguistic weapons and bullets are on a single sliding scale. Trying to talk more will lead to to more leftist bullets and/or more relentless leftist full-spectrum weapons, any one of which, if you beat them at it peacefully, virtuously, has a leftist bullet waiting behind it.
You cannot be civil or virtuous for other people. And how do you CONVINCE someone who has ruled out discussion? Who only sees use of language as war by other means?
“We are at war” is the dawning realization of where we really are, then successive epiphanies of where we really have been, followed by the dawning realization of where we are headed. With people who WILL NOT discuss, who decided long ago they are not our kin, our countrymen, who want to eradicate both these things in actuality and even as concepts. Successive epiphanies as you think of all the ways INSIDE OF civil society to fix our problems and realize your dashed hopes.
You build up empathy, human togetherness, up from the base layer of the Little Platoons all the way up to nations, up to the world. Stage by stage.
There was a time when psychologists – big brain geniuses that the are – asserted, based on their imaginations, that babies are naturally psychopathically selfish and psychopathically self-loving but perhaps learn over time to not be. This came from the Boomers, the same ones who were into all those movies and stories about devil-children. What a shock that the Me Generation, having labeled the generation that defeated Fascism fascists and themselves the REAL special generation, would turn around and demonize babies.
But upon later reconsideration, it was found that the most common sense basic things imaginable for human empathy and basic understanding and again common sense were actually what you would think – you love the baby, thus teaching it how to love. (as opposed to, upon birth, start working on teaching your newborn to Do Better and Recognize their Unconscious Bias etc…)
We can see the same sense of inversion of decency and common sense in the Leftists’ global worldview. The Globablist-Internationalists (there is no difference between these two words) think they can chop off everything between the individual and the planet. From family to nation, eradicate ALL the Little, Medium, Big Platoons, reduce individuals to blank slates and then uh, step #3 ????, step #4… profit?
“We are at war” is not a transition to kintetic action. It’s the final disillusionment, enlightenment, of millions of millions of Americans, who will NOW begin really problem-solving. The left lives on projection, so of course they want us to become an avatar of themselves, embody their own darkness. But part of the DISILLUSIONMENT was to realize we really ARE the good guys. Disillusionment, yes. We hoped EVERYONE was the good guys.
A totally different epiphany, feeling ABOUT the realization, than the Left would experience in vilifying anyone right of Stalin. We are not high on feelings of grandiosity and self-righteousness. We’re horrified. And now we are going to go ahead and BE THE GOOD GUYS. We’re going to do it our way, not yours. You need us to be you, but instead, we will be the good guys. You – or enough of you to make the rest not matter – will like us when we win.
Sam Hyde at his finest, well worth watching
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_czBvLB-DwYDr D Rich
I have talked with MANY customers who could not or would not state the reason for their call, but would simply add more things or be even more vague.
You can always tell the normal people – and even the normal jerks, I adore for being normal – because if you said “What’s your point?” They’d say – disrespectfully, angrily, whatever – “My POINT is….” and actually say it.
The other type would gloat -ooo hoo hooo, didn’t you GUESS? Didn’t you figure it OUT?
I dined in hell on this shit for 5 years straight fielding 5th level escalations from the 5-times distilled difficult-to-please customer base.
yaw-fucking-awn, Dr D Rich.
“i care.”
allow me to introduce you to your new life partner. Be sure to always be attentive and give full consideration – don’t contradict her until you’ve really, really checked and have verified 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Pro tip – be sure to always white knight for her and interject an “I’m here baby, I’m here” whenever possible.
And have a good life.
On second thought, I’ll be NOT a coward and NOT a bad faith actor by actually engaging and explaining rather than being equally cryptic. I’ll NOT just fling cryptic poo.
Take the incident of a couple weeks ago. That woman that was being insufferable and trespassing – for the purpose OF being insufferable, disrupting business, etc. (I’m an AG! I’m an AG!)
When the police officer showed up, she turned on something akin to a riot firehose or an MG42 of words. From her tone, how she carried herself, etc, she was clearly an expert, had used this technique many times, and was very confident it its utility based on past performance. With a sneer to the police officer, expecting it to level him.
It was a melange of stuff – claims of authority, moral superiority, expert knowledge, specific “rules” that didn’t exist, etc.
EACH one of these was to throw the person back on themselves, freeze them by giving her their consideration. Frozen by their own moral compulsion — why are you not considering this woman’s words, her feelings, her ideas, the concepts she is imparting? Don’t you CARE? Aren’t you FAIR? Wouldn’t only a big meanie NOT LISTEN? Aren’t you totally unable to move forward in any way unless you reach UNDERSTANDING? Did you stop EVERYTHING, verify beyond any shadow of a doubt, one by one, that each of her assertions was 100% wrong, or are you UNFAIR?
So the firehose of words was not communication, but a chunk of STUFF intended to lodge itself in the other person’s mental machinery and disable them. A cognitohazard or neverending firehose of multiple cognitohazards.
Gee, I’m a very thoughtful introvert – the dumbest one could be and still be a genius, but a genius nontheless. I’ve been working very hard with not the worst mental machinery at GIVING CONSIDERATION and accepting being thrown back on myself ALL MY LIFE. As a way of avoiding being immoral, as a way of making sure I am doing right. Oh no, oh no, did I not give you proper CONSIDERATION?
And after the recent political assassination, a LOT of people are done with the firehose. Oh thanks so much for trying to jam a block of Andrzej Łobaczewski in my craw and, in my earnest bewilderment trying to understand wtf you could specifically mean and thinking you were a fellow good faith actor, and in my earnestness, oh he’s using code words for people, could it be me, should I respond? To what accusation, how? I have offended him? I must choke on Andrzej Łobaczewski to discover and avoid being a big meanie – don’t I want to be FAIR?
So I can just shove the most abstruse philosophy down YOUR throat, I can pick the most difficult Kant, in German, reference it with oblique reference to you, just pick a nickname and keep repeating it day after day, and you’ll HAVE to wade through it to discover my point (or maybe I had no point, wade through it to discover!), to not be horrible, to be FAIR, right? I can do that to you too? If you aren’t trying to solve my riddle – because not plainly stating my case when I want to make it is mutherfucking genius, brilliance beyond your conception – then you’re the baddie.
Like, anytime you want to discuss something with me, I’ve got a code word that forces you to stop discusing, grab a rag and start scrubbing the floor on your hands and knees in front of me like cinderella? This is how engagement works, does it?
After the assassination, I think a LOT of people are not only re-evaluating the current state of things, the past 10 years, but probably the past 70 years in a new light. And I think they are done with dancing to cognitohazards.
Or actually, instead of Iowa battleships bombarding the coast, we attack their most precious assets. Sub launched Tomahawks will continue to rain down on your precious migrant hotels with pinpoint accuracy until you release our citizen. (this is fictional humor and I don’t have any #%%#ing Tomahawk missiles you stupid 3 letter agencies…)
If the target were something unimportant to Yoookay authorities like St Paul’s Cathdral, they’d keep a stiff upper lip, but with it being the hotels, they’d gasp at the shocking inhumanity and hand over their prisoner.
In the UK, they’re arresting their own people for liking bacon, silently praying, and calling someone a muppet.
And they’re arresting foreigners for free speech they exercised in another country where free speech is still legal. (That’ some Dredd Scott shit right there. And 1812. Don’t know why Trump doesn’t take the Iowa battleships out of mothballs to bombard the British coast until they release our citizen in John Paul Jones [original not Led Zeppelin] style. Why not, it’d be fun) I forget, something about not wanting men in womens’ bathrooms.
I saw a comedy youtube about home invasions in US vs UK. The UK criminal gets away and the police arrest the homeowner for not having a TV license.
In the comments, someone joked “It would be funnier if they arrested the homeowner for calling the police about a migrant”
the reply from a UK native – “Oh no, that has actually happened. They arrested a homeowner for calling the police about a break-in by a muslim migrant.”
Which was pretty much the case with everything – americans joking how the skit could have been more surreal, English piping up to say no actually, that too already happened.
I murmured after dinner, looking at the latest news from UK – holy cow the UK IS actually pretty fucked up right now. Normie wife – I heard those were just right wing conspiracy theories and everything is fine.
Here’s an alternate theory for a Kirk/Israel intersection. I’ll temporarily suspend disbelief while I flesh it out.
The 2024 election went through like all the battles had been fought and won already. Amazingly smooth. Since the people in charge – or various factions in charge – stay hidden, it’s ridiculously optimistic for a call center representative to take a guess at the world’s subterranean cause and effect.
That said, Israel seems to be an entity capable of blocking The Blob from interfering in the election. Considering how deeply rooted its tendrils in the US must be, surely its copies of the Epstein files, its ruthless intelligence services? And its services would be desirable, given that the US intelligence and security services are riddled with quislings who hate you.
So previous to that, the left, going on like a zombie apocalypse, does what it always does, keeps looking for things to meatsuit to “Capture the energy.” Gaza is a very powerful, energetic issue.
So the left decided to capture it like everything else. Suddenly gay-trans-palestinian banners everywhere, useful idiots explaining the answer to Gaza is moar socialism, and so on.
Given the past 10 years, I think a LOT of people, seeing a leftist meatsuitnig taking place, are OUT. They are NOT going to lend their energy to a killer zombie corpse possessed by cutting edge academic marxism.
So leftists who INTENDED TO “spread out into the crowd. be demonstrative and loud. use the crowd to look like you ARE the crowd” …became the crowd. Standing there holding the bag.
What energy did they capture? Enemy of Israel.
Yeah, I want to cut off all aid and let them figure shit out for themselves, which will be fairly horrific, but will make them go sane again. But I am absolutely hands off on a leftist takeover. Take Enemy Of Israel, it’s yours. Have fun with that.
So maybe the election was a first big lesson.
Kirk was a very good asset for MAGA and Republicans. Not a good sacrifice piece.
IF there was an Israeli hit on him, then it was a super effective choice. A PERFECT blow right where the left wants it least. I DON’T CARE, after the past 10 years, whether THIS specific thing cannot be pinned on leftists. For the first time, DONE caring about being virtuously civilized and western liberal. Because the recipients of the blame are NOT fellow countrymen, kin.
They are aliens, outsiders, and the virtues of my culture are for MY people, not for burning, pillaging, raping barbarians. I am FINE now with this being in their laps forever. It’s entirely appropriate, after everything they didn’t catch hell for, for the past 10, the past 70 years. Because we treated them as OUR people we had a disagreement with, while they sneered and continued to be bad faith aliens.
(…who have, for years, continuously required of their enemies, a perfectly saintly and vulcan adherence to perfect, without-a-doubt justice AND mercy AND sympathy while perfectly ignoring context, track record, and everything else, for the sake of maintaining virtue – after all, if you were even the least smidgeon off, then ah-HA you’re the bad guy…)
Sorry you picked that fight bro, thinking you were clever, because using One Weird Trick over and over – taking all advantage of civility – made you feel like a god. But Israel isn’t your people – maybe you didn’t notice. Like if you’ve got a family that loves you and tolerates your shit, but then you try the SAME thing in a mob den. Have fun, assholes. Couldn’t have happened to a better bunch. Who knows what else you’ll get.
What changed with Charlie Kirk being assassinated by the Left was, I am willing to say what the Left openly started saying a decade ago. Kneel Before Zod motherfuckers. Acculturate or flee to socialist shitholes or the deminished sociology depts of your shitty universities. And I am not talking about violence.
THEY say fighting is the evil, because they don’t want us to fight. But the values of the fighters and the reason for fighting are what actually, always matter. Which is why they point at fighting. And I am not talking about violence.
The difference between us is that they will like us when we win.
The instantaneous response that PRECEDED the response on the Right was the Left crying out for civility and accusing the Right of being everything bad the Left is.
They aren’t sincere yet about civil society and by their precognition, are aware of what they are doing.
All that is required to end what is coming – which the Left HOPES will mirror themselves, but won’t – is to LAY DOWN YOUR WEAPONS AND REJOIN CIVIL SOCIETY. Be fucking DECENT. Everything is downstream from culture. If you want the good things that are emergent from culture, you can “capture” them ALL for free, unlimited, in a totally NON zero sum game, by acculturating.
….but INDIVIDUAL decision and use of firearms is ICKY.
And as they WELL KNOW, the whole point of individual gun ownership IS to block Authority from committing gun violence, and resisting Authority and Experts is icky….
..use or mere existence of individual-ownership firearms is most icky indeed, intrinsically, since it limits Authority and Experts. (the ones who commit 99.9% of gun violence) Authority gun-monopoly hesitance. The ultimate ick.
Guns do save lives. You know this to be true.
The raw yearly figures leftists like to cite for US gun violence are about the same as traffic accidents. Yet, when you suggest the same fervent pressure should be applied to abolishing cars as abolishing guns, you get dumb looks, followed by education on the religious, spiritual differences of the two things.
The dead people in traffic weren’t victims?
(how quickly we retract to the most spartan, minimalist definition of “victims of” when the argument is about disarming normal people where, just a second ago, it was like, the system man,like the culture, victimizing and we need to eliminate 1mm raising of white eyebrows because it might be aggression or racism….)
Their lives weren’t just as precious as people who got shot?
(denial PLUS education from holier-than-thou that yes people shot ARE more special, precious, holy-blessed… both at the same time!)
So then I point out that HALF of US gun deaths are suicide – weren’t you JUST A MINUTE BEFORE complimenting Canadian health care and the right to suicide? And americans figured out a quick, painless way to do it without all that bureucracy and taxes? Ohhh but if it is an individual deciding privately for themselves that’s wrong and guns make it ICKY. Gotcha
35k/yr -17.5k suicides = 17.5k deaths – 8,750 deaths that were criminals being shot by police or citizens in self defense = 8,750 deaths vs 35,000 traffic deaths a year.
I get that people who die from a bullet are surrounded in a holy penumbra and people who die in traffic are not, I understand this after you explained, but surely you aren’t saying people who die of a bullet are over FOUR TIMES more valuable than people who die in some other way? These are still PEOPLE with feelings and thoughts, dreams, families, a future that was cut off? Surely a bullet doesn’t make you 4x superior to all other humans???? Is 50 Cent like, 150000x superior to all other humans or did he need to die to achieve that?
Denial and MORE education of the thing that was just denied and I ought to believe and am icky for not believing. NO I am not saying they are more holy and you damn well better believe that they are.
So then I explain that they are ignoring 99% of Gun Violence.
Governments with monopolies on guns, purely by use of guns, killed 150 million in the 20th century alone. That doesn’t even count the tens of millions enslaved at gunpoint, the loss of free speech by hundreds of millions, the tens of millions of refugees created.
We SHOULD count the entire human cost of 99% of gun violence, but focusing on JUST deaths
150,000,000 deaths, which are NOT by any means a comprehensive figure on gun deaths / 8,750 deaths of victims from guns in the USA per year = IT WOULD TAKE 17,142 YEARS for US gun deaths to equal just the foreign gun deaths from 1920-1999.
And IN those 17,142 years, governments with gun monopolies would have racked up hundreds of millions of MORE gun deaths, enslavements, refugee crises, etc.
Face it, US gun deaths will never ever catch up to everyone else’s gun deaths.
Because armed citizens prevent gun deaths.
You don’t go with unlimited death instead of very limited death because you realized reality can never be absolutely perfect, that there are always trade-offs and you cannot possibly bear it. Unless you’re a fool or evil or both.
There has been a lot of “yeah, but I didn’t like Charlie Kirk’s positions/beliefs”
No, Charlie Kirk had exactly the right beliefs and positions:
Those of civil society and good faith discussion.
You can always get better on the next debate and have someone like Kirk to thank for it. The discomfort of missing a good honest argument is an excellent reminder that it is up to you to do better for your side of the discussion.
The more discomfort, the better – for anyone committed to living in the same society with the same values of discussion as a good faith actor.
Implicit are years, decades, a never ending national history and national future of open, honest discussion.
He had views people disagree with. He scored uncomfortable points. AND he was committed to the fundamental building block of Western Civilization — IMPLICIT in every argument was that you might change his mind — and as people have said widely, he was coming around on Israel/Gaza.
Who knows what he would have learned over the next decade or two, where his good faith action would have taken him? How superior would he have become, at that point, to all the people carefully trying to avoid any mistakes, wrongthink, or wrongspeak? Blown past them and lapped them 100x. This IS the massive power of European Civilization and Culture. Available for ALL to join, participate in, and benefit from.
Since the Left completely meatsuited Psychology/Psychiatry, SSRI’s have become one of their sacraments.
Consult your local white liberal woman. What are the holies? Trans, climate change, whiteness, open borders, ssri’s. Tell them Tom Cruise was right and monitor for the reaction.
…SSRIs’ which seem to be involved in so many of the shootings.
…which in turn require more involvement of government, comprehensive intrusiveness by psychological experts, social workers, etc, increased pathologizing of people, resulting in even more SSRI prescriptions…
The same people who don’t like to see anyone be a big meanie towards leftists, socialists, or marxists also say, essentially, “You dumb stupid animal commoners are simply being herded by your emotions by a false flag for tyranny”
(you got the NPC download with No Kings that “Fascist” and “Hitler” were played out and we have to say “Tyranny” now. Antennae still working, good for you)
Yes, this is what you decided back in the 1800’s, when Marx’s “inevitable conditions” did not lead to the workers “rising up.” It was declared THEN, about 200 years ago that the workers had no souls, only a False Consciousness.
You do not sympathize with the Poors, you resent them as “letting you down” by not being your saps, for ENJOYING and finding meaningful lives inside the “lie” of capitalism. You might berate them for not using YOUR meaning of Capitalism, you might berate the workers for being such stupid dumb animals – those stupid poors who don’t get that Socialism is For The Working Class (but you always come for us and the things we found dignity and meaning in. Every time.) or That Wasn’t Real Socialism – Again. You show up to “Educate” us, to correct us, and to USE us. And call us fools or uneducated for getting it.
“you speak using Democrat and Communist interchangeably” yes, yes I do. They repeat all the marxist academic talking points from US marxist academia for the past 50 years that is a large body of work, readily available to you, with massive continuity back to Marx and Engels and with endless citations BY the marxist academics helping you connect the dots if you cannot do it yourself.
I use them interchangeably now because their verbiage and non-negotiable beliefs ARE those beliefs of marxist academia from the 20th and 21st century. And most of those go all the way back, with purely surface vocabulary changes. Any Democrat who stands up to denounce them will be cast out by them, with vigorous efforts to destroy them – financially, reputationally, etc. So anyone noticing is a big meanie and should be vocabulary-policed.
As you well know and know very well to forget and not know, I had my nose ground in current marxist ideology FOR WORK many times back in 2020 and 2021 and again for this new job, last year and this year. I was being taught False Consciousness as a fucking REFRESHER course just a few months ago and you want to piss on my back and tell me it is raining.
Go argue with the millions of people who call themselves leftists, socialists, who hold these beliefs. Go argue with the people that have wormed their way into our institutions – our corporations, governments, arts, entertainment, libraries, charities, etc. Go argue with the massive existing documentation with citations proving continuity back to Marx and Engels — curiously, cosmic coincidence, you only argue with the people who say they do not like current year leftism.
Weird that you are only ever around to speak in opposition to anyone in opposition to leftists, marxists, communists, and yes, Democrats. That’s the only place the energy goes. But nothing is happening fools, nothing was happening, and I ain’t doin nuttin, right?
If you were a good faith actor, we would have already seen YOUR opposition to “fake” current year leftism — but then, it’s heisenberg fake socialism – Real Socialism Isn’t Being Tried and that thing you see is not socialism but ALSO nothing at all is happening. Both.
But anyway, just like with any exercise of power that ISN’T ratcheting leftism, ergo labeled “tyranny” if it moves it back one inch or even slows it, leftists will complain and obfuscate and block as much as they can as power is exercised…
“Looking Into Soros. Looks Like RICO”: Trump Puts Crosshairs On Radical Leftist NGOs
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/looking-soros-looks-rico-trump-puts-crosshairs-radical-leftist-ngosYou paint a picture of us to ourselves of doing all the wrong things, all the irrational things, project your goals and methods onto us, while we exercise power as WE wish to. Another money-spigot is turning off soon. Not sorry.
Yes, you will proclaim that exercising power is icky (when not a leftist exercise of power)
Just like you did at Ft Sumter, your’e going to have to fire the first shot. Firing on bread. Firing on discussion. Like that. And we get to fire back however we want, not how you wanted. Firing being still metaphorical on our side because of how much better we are than you. Our Revolution brings results.
Your Revolution is crap, which is why, from our perspective, it is counter-revolutionary.
Your 1800’s failed garbage is going to be pushed back into the background noise of a functioning, normal society. We’ll get rid of those old leftist ideas, old leftist culture, old leftist customs, and old leftist habits. Shortly after the US eliminated slavery, Engels was already writing off the commoners as unconscious animals. And current year is just a retrofit of that dusty, tired, loser cope plus racism. Old, dusty, failed garbage nobody wants. Stop bringing it back out of the landfill.
This event has made it very hard for anyone to willfully remain unconscious, give Democrats/Marxists what they want for the sake of maintaining a civility that Democrats/Marxists have no intention of keeping their side of.
From Bluesky To Reddit, Democrats Celebrate Charlie Kirk’s Assassination; Trump Slams Radical Left…Realizing one-sided “maintaining civility” and compromising means the leftists will never stop.
Brandon Smith: Men Of The West, We Are At Warbut like I said, we’re going with RICO and other cool stuff.
And some of the bad eggs in the institutions got cleared out – a good start
Colleges Fire Employees Over Remarks About Charlie Kirk’s Murder
MSNBC Fires Matthew Dowd For Suggesting Charlie Kirk Had It Coming; Liz Warren, Jen Psaki Double Down
They are all frauds, but not all leftists are frauds.
Is a 200 year wait too soon for non fraud socialists to do the REAL socialism? Or to rise up an do the heavy lifting of fighting the fakes – the real socialists presumably having the most skin in the game, the most reason to fight, to stop their own socialism being ruined?
I mean, something other than nodding along with the supposed frauds, interjecting “the man has a point” and making various helpful-to-fake-socialist milksop gestures? Alternating with saying tribes or families or other things that predate Socialism by millions of years are “also ackshully socialism” while never sitting at trad families feet, accepting as their lords and masters to teach them the real ackshully socialism that works because they keep failing?
“I’m probably just as good an atheist as you are,” she speculated boastfully. “But even I feel that we all have a great deal to be thankful for and that we shouldn’t be ashamed to show it.”
“Name one thing I’ve got to be thankful for,” Yossarian challenged her without interest.
“Well…” Lieutenant Scheisskopf’s wife mused and paused a moment to ponder dubiously. “Me.”
“Oh, come on,” he scoffed.
She arched her eyebrows in surprise. “Aren’t you thankful for me?” she asked. She frowned peevishly, her pride wounded. “I don’t have to shack up with you, you know,” she told him with cold dignity. “My husband has a whole squadron full of aviation cadets who would be only too happy to shack up with their commanding officer’s wife just for the added fillip it would give them.” Yossarian decided to change the subject. “Now you’re changing the subject,” he pointed out diplomatically. “I’ll bet I can name two things to be miserable about for every one you can name to be thankful for.”
“Be thankful you’ve got me,” she insisted.
“I am, honey. But I’m also goddam good and miserable that I can’t have Dori Duz again, too. Or the hundreds of other girls and women I’ll see and want in my short lifetime and won’t be able to go to bed with even once.”
“Be thankful you’re healthy.”
“Be bitter you’re not going to stay that way.”
“Be glad you’re even alive.”
“Be furious you’re going to die.”
“Things could be much worse,” she cried.
“They could be one hell of a lot better,” he answered heatedly.
“You’re naming only one thing,” she protested. “You said you could name two.”
“And don’t tell me God works in mysterious ways,” Yossarian continued, hurtling on over her objection. “There’s nothing so mysterious about it. He’s not working at all. He’s playing. Or else He’s forgotten all about us. That’s the kind of God you people talk about–a country bumpkin, a clumsy, bungling, brainless, conceited, uncouth hayseed. Good God, how much reverence can you have for a Supreme Being who finds it necessary to include such phenomena as phlegm and tooth decay in His divine system of creation? What in the world was running through that warped, evil, scatological mind of His when He robbed old people of the power to control their bowel movements? Why in the world did He ever create pain?”
“Pain?” Lieutenant Scheisskopf’s wife pounced upon the word victoriously. “Pain is a useful symptom. Pain is a warning to us of bodily dangers.”
“And who created the dangers?” Yossarian demanded. He laughed caustically. “Oh, He was really being charitable to us when He gave us pain! Why couldn’t He have used a doorbell instead to notify us, or one of His celestial choirs? Or a system of blue-and-red neon tubes right in the middle of each person’s forehead. Any jukebox manufacturer worth his salt could have done that. Why couldn’t He?”
“People would certainly look silly walking around with red neon tubes in the middle of their foreheads.”
“They certainly look beautiful now writhing in agony or stupefied with morphine, don’t they? What a colossal, immortal blunderer! When you consider the opportunity and power He had to really do a job, and then look at the stupid, ugly little mess He made of it instead, His sheer incompetence is almost staggering. It’s obvious He never met a payroll. Why, no self-respecting businessman would hire a bungler like Him as even a shipping clerk!” Lieutenant Scheisskopf’s wife had turned ashen in disbelief and was ogling him with alarm. “You’d better not talk that way about Him, honey,” she warned him reprovingly in a low and hostile voice. “He might punish you.”
“Isn’t He punishing me enough?” Yossarian snorted resentfully. “You know, we mustn’t let Him get away with it. Oh, no, we certainly mustn’t let Him get away scot free for all the sorrow He’s caused us. Someday I’m going to make Him pay. I know when. On the Judgment Day. Yes, That’s the day I’ll be close enough to reach out and grab that little yokel by His neck and–”
“Stop it! Stop it!” Lieutenant Scheisskopf’s wife screamed suddenly, and began beating him ineffectually about the head with both fists. “Stop it!” Yossarian ducked behind his arm for protection while she slammed away at him in feminine fury for a few seconds, and then he caught her determinedly by the wrists and forced her gently back down on the bed. “What the hell are you getting so upset about?” he asked her bewilderedly in a tone of contrite amusement. “I thought you didn’t believe in God.”
“I don’t,” she sobbed, bursting violently into tears. “But the God I don’t believe in is a good God, a just God, a merciful God. He’s not the mean and stupid God you make Him out to be.” Yossarian laughed and turned her arms loose. “Let’s have a little more religious freedom between us,” he proposed obligingly. “You don’t believe in the God you want to, and I won’t believe in the God I want to. Is that a deal?”
Dude, there is a difference between stating your opinions and being a subversive acting in bad faith. Your entire post is with the intent to invert the definition as opposed to discuss.
I notice the latest Apsnaz is far, FAR more sensitive about criticism of socialism than previous ones.
And does different strategems – like the socialist thing of lecturing Christians about Christianity while not being one and despising them. The old windsufing Apsnaz never engaged in fuckery like this.
Your’e like a pod person, a space alien, who cannot understand a detailed post about bad faith subversives and feels little embarrassment (you just embarrassed yourself publicly quite a lot with this last post) when saying someone openly, forthrightly having different opinions than you and being willing to genuinely willing to discuss them is the same thing. That’s cluster-b talk, man.
sooooo Vance should be honoring the Mossad/CIA psyop from 24 years ago that wasted trillions of dollars and millions of lives and put the USA into a perpetual quasi non constitutional state of emergency?
In preference to honoring a journalist murdered in cold blood for talking with people and having opinions? How heartless??? Honoring free speech and civil society over honoring the security state and a lie?
A couple weeks ago, there was that linked medical article regarding the notavax.
It showed 2 graphs – one in which only the most severe cases were measured, and then another graph “drug injuries look more like this,” and a large “tail” of increasingly less severe consequences from left to right, dropping (in terms of number of affected people) with diminished severity.
But isn’t this wrong? Shouldn’t the tail had been fatter than the measured medical incidents? Aren’t the less-severe injuries MORE, not LESS common? So shouldn’t the graph including unmeasured go UP as it goes right?
Lenin did inversion. Easy to claim rightness when you linguistically cover both sides of the bet.
actual capitalism is:
Do or make something that someone would willingly pay you for.
That’s it. Virtue. Service. Inherently. Submitted to the judgment of OTHERS.
Leftists draw a picture of a monster, cApItAlIsM™ , which is All The Bad Things which, coincidentally, they are here to rescue you from.
But then they always go after actual capitalism, not the cApItAlIsM™
And of course it turns out leftists are just like bankers – they want to be the middle man in all transactions. Stand in the middle of all financial transactions at least as much as banksters, more even!
But then ALSO, being concerned with EVERY aspect of human life, not just money, ALSO wanting to, insisting on, inserting themselves as middle men, taking their cut, asserting control, in ALL interactions, ALL thought, demanding monopoly everywhere, making bankers look like anarchists by comparison. The Leftist wants to be a super-bankster, not just inserting themselves into the money flows, but into ALL aspects of the human experience, demanding their cut.
So the corporations, controlled by radical leftist trust fund babies that went to the right colleges, drift towards doing what Communists do when they gain power, and when we see the awfulness, we say “Woah, Lenin was right”???
In typical leftist confession, they give away what they want and plan to do by pointing the finger, observable after the fact in history time and time again, so we see, to the degree globalist (INTERNATIONALIST, same fucking thing) leftists get the upper hand in corporations, the closer we get to Lenin’s finger pointing. What’s the solution ….other than moar socialism? Moar socialism.
Always promising to protect us from the bad, bad monster, always instead engaging in accelerationism and going after our capitalism first, never going after Capitalism™, never throwing the ring in mt doom, always putting it on their own finger.
Globabism is Internationalism.
“activist” presumes someone who is part of of society, a fellow member of your culture, your civilization, presumed to be a good faith actor, someone with a particular point of view they espouse.
“Activist” does NOT mean someone who wants to destroy things like free speech, free association, and is not open nor honest, is not a good faith actor, does not care to have a discussion, whose every “discussion” is for the purpose of NON discussion. The appearance of discussion.
Relentless insurgency to the limit of whatever one can get away with or ones’ level of courage/foolishness is not activism.
And as I have said, I never, ever do see, nor have seen leftists baulk at, complain about, modern leftism in ANY level of detail. Like the simpsons episode where Homer climbs the local Mt Everest by his sherpas dragging him uphill while he sleeps every night, whatever the leftist cannot get themselves to personally do, they make excuses for, justify, nod their heads, or silently watch with that particular set to the mouth – whatever, again, they have the balls for. Just happy someone is dragging them up Mt Everest while they sleep. They’ve engaged in activity to ensure SOMEONE will always be their active foot-soldier, their janissary.
Charlie Kirk taught bad faith actors – leftists – that he was not stuck in a Struggle Session room with them, they were stuck in a genuine discussion with HIM. And being polite, reasoned, objective, fair, as people lament – “the best of us” – in this respect, he was absolutely killing it. Every marxist/cluster-b linguistic tactic got blown to shreds. He was attracting thousands at each event, teaching kids… teaching them… argh, no… CRITICAL THINKING.
The leftist always reaches for the next biggest metaphorical gun in “A cOnVeRsAtIoN.” Rather than relent and level with their conversational partner, switch to good faith.
Of course, the most powerful metaphorical gun, when all other lesser ones prove useless, is an actual gun.
The guy just wanted to talk. And with Aikido-hold, jiujutsu-wrestling mastery, muscled every gaslight back to real discussion. Come to the discussion or be proven a fool, or worse, evil.
Intolerable.
They’re convinced every level of incivility – from micro all the way to assassination, the full spectrum including “there shall be no real conversation,” is their superpower. Like putting a video game on god mode or running around in the elementary playground punching out 3rd graders. Why would they ever stop? “The fools are unconscious idiots who are compelled to act in certain weak ways while I am a clever insurgent,” they say.
Read comments above. Whatever they have the balls to say, whatever angle they have enough balls to take, omitting direct argument, omitting anything they have no balls to say, DEFINITELY omitting good faith discussion. Grima Wormtonge-ing their way through life. Whatever their cowardice permits, lending lazy, craven support, so they can be dragged up Everest while they sleep.
Sooner or later, you run out of people willing to talk. Sooner or later, everyone else is forced to discover what it is that will make you relent, lay down your weapons. It does not take much for a leftist to begin crying for a double standard civility as just another weapon, but what will it take for them to lay down their weapons and reform themselves, rejoin civilization? Sooner or later, a significant number of people stop thinking of you as fellows inside their civilization but as alien outsiders. Sooner or later, they stop caring about whether you can be saved and become, JUST LIKE YOU, solely concerned with addressing your “pragmatism.”
A person tends to criticize stuff ruining their thing.
We have seen zero criticism of current year marxism as a betrayal of, ruination of, meatsuiting of real marxism. Fuck, I’ve spent more time here deploring the meatsuiting of Emo by weirdos with swoopy razor cut hair, eyeliner, girl’s designer jeans, and pink trem locked guitars – and then they moved up the punk family tree to do the same thing to Post-Hardcore – and that was like one time in 3 years.
can we all agree on this. Here he is saying “It’s not Marxism” in the same way I say it’s not Marxism.
There is no such point to agree on, there is only pragmatism, as evidenced by years of omission and years of observable action.
Aside from that, does some comments are making the case that “the real capitalism has never been tried”, as sometimes attributed to the opposing system?
Can you remember that you were the one who said it was capitalism to begin with?
People complaining about statist, socialist, or marxist things they see around them certainly are not the same as people perpetrating those things, saying, when asked about 150 million dead “well, real communism hasn’t been tried”
what absolute fuckery.
Real conversation still has not been tried.
WHAT ABOUT THE DISASTER ITSELF!??!!?!?!?
ISN’T THAT PRIVATE BUSINESS AT WORK!?!?!?!?!?
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!
Please name the private thing.
Are you talking about the government officials who decided to set fire to spilled chemicals that should have been contained instead of spread everywhere? (this is what made it disaster-scale as opposed to a containable accident)
Or the collectively owned corporation – corporations are government constructs.
Or the government regulating the railroad?
Or you mean the railroaders’ UNION?
Thousands of Russians in a mega-auditorium, all clapping, clapping clapping, unable to stop clapping for Stalin.
Because why?
They were afraid if they stopped clapping too early, they’d be pulled into an office by their boss next day?:
“Hi Steve. I’ve heard some things. Don’t be nervous, this is just a Verbal Warning. The next steps would be First Written, Second Written, and Final Written prior to firing. Remember, we call it Corrective Action because we don’t want it to be merely punitive. The main thing is, we’re trying to help coach you – in this case, on your clapping – to better performance. We’re not looking to fire you, we want you to succeed and thrive, Steve. Here’s how you can clap for Stalin better…”
no, thousands of Russians wholeheartedly, effusively, UNANIMOUSLY agreed, with every ounce of energy in their bodies, after clapping an appropriate amount of time, then clapping a truly ridiculous amount of time, that failing to clap until you collapsed unconscious could result in death or a concentration camp. And clearly NOT a SMALL chance of it.
Thousands of Russians were polled AND UNANIMOUSLY believed you could die on even the most petty, ridiculous basis of disloyalty to Stalin. Why on earth disagree with them?
“Okinawa, coastal fishermen have acted upon coral reefs’ decline,”
But coral reef is rapidly increasing. Where is AFKTT when you need him? I hope he’s okay, probably shot up his neighbors and himself in a bid to reduce CO2.
To this day, he may still be stuck on on “humans cannot possibly build coral reefs” and he never seemed to internalize that the Great Coral Reef has been growing, so the chance is not 0%.
But when someone tells me ‘Stalin killed 20 million of his own people during WWII’, I switch off.
Stalin killed, what, 5 or 6 million, just in Ukraine, just 1932-1933, but in the 5 years of WW2, I will not hear of or think of or entertain the WORDS?
5 years x 5 Million = 25 Million.
All he had to do to reach this figure was keep crunching along as normal.
Apart from any “emergency” measures the Soviets might have adopted. (Genociding the Volga-Deutsche, sending even mildly suspected enemies or soldiers who accidentally got encircled to concentration camps… just for instance)
Think of how many Soviet boondoggles we know of from Solzhenitsyn. Shit adds up. Malice plus incompetence plus even greater unquestionable “just do it, don’t you know a war is on!” …20 million is very much a non inconceivable number.
We have to refuse to entertain, even think it, to avoid the alternatives.
This is an old customer service trick. If a customer is super unreasonable after you explain the math to them, they insist they deserve 20x, 100x the credit in the face of all logic, then you do the math in front of them, with a bit of annoying tone, WRONG.
If they are in he heat of the moment enough, they will yell “No! Idiot! Can’t you do MATH?” and run through the correct arithmetic. Oh sir, gosh sir, sorry sir, that math IS correct, MY mistake. Thank goodness we can now walk hand in hand towards a resolution to your billing issue based on reality and logic now. (but sir, SIR, you said the math JUST NOW…)
“Stalin killed 20 million of his own people during WW2”
No! Fool! Can’t you do math!?!?!? It was only 10 million!!!!
ONLY ten million, eh?
So to avoid THAT cul-de-sac, refuse the subject matter altogether.
I would occasionally do the CO2 math in front of AFKTT wrong, hoping he would get irate, pounce on me, and do the correct math himself – forever to be bookmarked, quoted, receipted – but he never would. Either too canny or too innumerate and we will never know which.
You in essence are saying power being exercised (by non socialists) is icky – that’s like, a RULE, maaaan.
Ending 10 or so years of stochastic terrorism and anarcho-terrorism must be fascism! (…but then having a work ethic, showing up places on time, being comprehensible, having a family, refraining from crime, stuff like that, is Fascism too, so…)
kultsommer from yesterday
This is childish or disingenuous. Any analysis that sees world events outside the context of technocracy and totalitarianism is flawed.
Labeling it as a (covert) “Marxism” seeping into the Western world does not help either.
It does shield the actual perpetrators (the “job creators”).soooooo…. what you’re saying is.
Marxism is the anti-human insecticide that The Powers Behind The Curtain rain down on humans.
And you’re SO contemptuous of the ants complaining about being poisoned – stupid dumbs – especially in comparison with your big-brain super wise being One Who Knows…
…that you’ll sneer and sidestep it entirely. Omit, distract, etc rather than draw the dots – that would be deigning to speak like an equal with ants, after all. That would not be equity as you envision it. So it is this.
How dare anyone object to the bombs being dropped, want to put up a shield against an oncoming sword. Fools. Fighting dumb inanimate SWORDS. Fighting against BOMBS. Don’t you know about bad people, fool?
Free your minds and see that these paltry things are irrelevant to big brain people like me, which you are not. (and let the human insecticide continue to fall – it’s what those humans deserve for focusing on it…)
apsnaz, so you’re saying if we grant, for the sake of argument, that “capitalists” moved production to China…
…then ergo, all those people now inhabiting all those institutions saying leftist ideological talking points and acting on them, directing policies on them, broadcasting leftist propaganda?
Don’t believe that leftists acting and talking like leftists doing leftist things they said they would do are leftists if “capitalists” moved your industry?
I mean, there’s various rumors for decades starting with Clinton of course of Chinese support and bribery, there’s Chinese handlers like fang-fang for various bureaucrats and politicians, but it’s kind of beside the point, how are the leftists saying leftist things doing leftist things not leftist due to moved industry?
Because you are PRAGMATIC
I asked you very simple question a few weeks back. Still waiting…..
If you were typing characters onto the screen for communication, you’d ask it. But you aren’t saying anything.
But here’s one for you.
Since you occasionally alternate between oblique, evasive defenses of communism and claiming to be evenhanded….
Wouldn’t you agree that an ideology that has killed 150 million shouldn’t be tried anymore, that trying anymore would be a very bad, evil thing?
