John Day
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Steve B
Yes, I think that historically all transitions of large groups of people are based within fear.
That is the only thing which changes how people live their everyday lives.
This is common knowledge, certainly among those who control our species.
I can only imagine myself living without money in a very small, agrarian community, where these things commonly work. This is no frills existence. A wound gets infected and you die of gangrene. 50% of children die before puberty, etc.
I have visited such a community in the Laotian jungle. They still travel for a day to take the pigs to the nearst market, to sell, so that they may wear Chinese manufactured clothing. They catch and eat rats, other jungle-meat.The bigger question is where you will be part of a functioning community with food, water, shelter, some fuel, all the things to keep living. Functioning community AND all those things. This is a much more complex and difficult question than whether the government will confiscate your solar panels, inverter and Edison cells. The government is mostly going to collapse at some time. I hear those bunkers under the Denver airport are well stocked, but I’m not invited, and wouldn’t want to go.
MR 166
Bullets as local currency and government taking productive land from farmers are easily grasped and well-worn paradigms.
This is common fare, part of an uneasy transition period between more stable arrangements.Steve B,
I am an imaginative and innovative person, yet your words are not painting any picture which I can realistically envision. That makes your idea a non-starter for the 95% of humans who have less imagination than I do, not to mention the whole, vested intersts with power killing anything they can’t control, aspect…
Hi Steve B
There is a “time share” group here in Austin, but their time sharing is suspect, so that small groups that already know and trust each other, are setting up their own limited time share arrangements to avoid rip-offs.
I am OK with a world without money or heirarchy/oligarchy, but I cannot envision how it would realistically operate, let alone how to make the transition.
I like gift economy. It is easy, but it only goes as far as the excess ripe fruit coming off your trees. It cannot pay for advanced medical training, or support specialists.Steve B.
Money is necessary for lots of things, like flying somewhere, or having your infected appendix out.
I have needed both, and so did my Mom, and my eldest son.
Money saved our lives. We come from an appendicitis prone family.
No money = no surgeons.
I’m sure you can think of other examples.
Money allows a complexity of economy, which is otherwise not obtained in history.
I’m not a fan of money or oligarchy or economic change, just a participating observer in the whole process.How does a nice global financial oligarchy change the financial paradigm from debt-based-exponentially-growing money supply to something which does not grow, as dictated by the economic fundamentals of Peak Oil?
It appears that little collapses, zero interest, and war in the oil-places are part of the step-down experiment. All the little collapses, and taking one then another oil-supplier offline are testing how this may be accomplished short of WW-3.
At some point, the big transfer of monetary definition will be necessary. Gold would be easiest at that point.
Until then, it’s year after year of squeezing those who have the least power to resist, and watching their behavior closely, to further refine techniques.Hi Ashvin,
Here’s what I did, trying to treat the new system, somewhat like the old system:
I went down to the bottom of your article about “Who killed the money…”
I looked under “Discuss This Article”
There was a space with my name, and an empty “Message” box under it for prose.
I wrote a message and hit the “Submit” button.
There was no “captcha” as there is here.
My prose disappeared and couldn’t be retrieved.
I got a message that I had entered the wrong captcha.
I hope this helps.
JohnAloha Y’all,
Russia blames Ukraine, and Ukraine blames Russia for gas shortages to Austria and Italy over aged pipeline in the bitterest part of Winter, when all parties are using more (“fungible”) natural gas, and nobody wants to be blamed…
I don’t think Putin has anybody over a barrel. It’s just how things go.
Russian strategic interest is in building a better relationship with neighbors (Europe and China). Europe may have a stressed relationship with “Anglo-American banking” very soon, and Russia will serve strategic intersts best by being a friend through that harsh time.
Putin is no dope. This is a time to feed Europe more rope, not jerk it back hard.
