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  • in reply to: Debt Rattle October 16 2021 #90111

    The endless vaccine adverse event anecdotes…

    My ex’s girlfriend is about 40 yo. Found out today that she has been suffering from health problems…since July. She is double-vaxxed. Not sure on dates of vaccination, but it wasn’t early in the roll-out. It was after 12 and up received EUA. Starting in July she has been diagnosed with glaucoma and multiple sclerosis. Hunh, what? She apparently has lesions on her brain. MS is an autoimmune disorder, of course.

    A few years ago, glaucoma was determined to possibly be caused by an autoimmune disorder.

    In MS, an abnormal immune response causes inflammation and damage in the CNS. Many different cells are involved in the abnormal immune response. Two important types of immune cells are T cells and B cells.

    T cells become activated in the lymph system and in MS, enter the CNS through blood vessels. Once in the CNS, T cells release chemicals that cause inflammation and damage. This results in damage to myelin, nerve fibers and the cells that make myelin. T cells are also important to help activate B cells and call on other immune system cells to participate in the immune attack.
    T regulatory cells, a type of T cell, dampen or turn off inflammation. In MS, T regulatory cells to not function correctly and do not effectively turn off inflammation.
    Cytotoxic or “killer” T cells directly attack and destroy cells bearing certain characteristics
    B cells become activated with the help of T cells. B cells produce antibodies and stimulate other proteins and in MS, these cause damage in the CNS.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 15 2021 #90079

    @ dr d
    Epic statement : “ . Just like the FDA approval, “The weird have gone pro” and all things now exist/do not exist like Schrodinger’s cat.”

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 15 2021 #90078

    History of blue paint:

    Had to be made by grinding lapis lazuli, a costly gemstone. No one in the 1500s painted anything blue unless it was very deliberate. It is likely that he made his own paint and/or tinted his own paint.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 15 2021 #90077

    @ dr d
    …of course socialized medicine is bad. People like me and my children don’t deserve to receive professional medical care. I’m sure that enduring a tooth ache rather than getting a root canal would help me find more boot straps. Thanks.


    Found out 5 hours ago that my daughter has Covid. Was their dad’s turn to have kids over fall break from school. So I hadn’t seen them since I sent them to school last Friday morning. Daughter tells me she has been feeling unwell since last Saturday. My ex’s girlfriend tells me that daughter has had a sore throat since Monday. (My daughter probably didn’t tell anyone she felt unwell til Monday.). She had a negative strep test Wednesday, so it was followed by Covid PCR test. Results came back 2 days later — today.

    I offered last year that if the kids need to quarantine, they can do so with me. My ex decided to take me up on that offer and send the boys to me, and keep our daughter there, under the care of his girlfriend. I’m fit to be tied. Daughter is healthy – she should come out of this fine — but whether it has been 5 days or 7 days — that’s a while. The vaxxed gf is coming down with symptoms. If my boys get out of the house wherein there lives a Covid person, they will be allowed back to school sooner. That is my ex’s rationale. It is reasonable. (I may not like it — but it is reasonable.). The parenting plan says that this is his time…I can agree to have my boys here or decline. Those were my only options.

    Daughter is supposed to be getting vitamin d daily — prescribed by a physician. She says she is not getting it at her dad’s house. Ex’s gf says that my daughter is getting it. I believe my daughter over the gf…as a part of the family court trial there was a psych evaluation done on all of the adults…not quite portraying things as they are was found to be a problem of the gf.

    So…here I am. I am told that my daughter has been feeling worse each day (both my daughter and the gf said it, so I suspect that is true.) I have all of this knowledge on how to treat her at home…even have left over HCQ, Z-pack, fluvoxamine, budesonide, etc., and I probably won’t be able to see her again until Wednesday. In the meantime, she has Covid.

    So I looked up the I-mask+ protocol…and I’m supplying the gf with every OTC item on it. Tomorrow I need to go find nigella sativa. Gf swears she’ll follow the protocol I gave her. Maybe.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 14 2021 #89978

    I’m getting tired of people ending interchanges with the wish to “Be safe.” Hunh? I already had covid — I’m as safe as can be expected to be. Be safe from what? Why is it so important to “be safe?” What happened to “Have a nice day.” Or, one of my favorites: “Enjoy your day/afternoon/evening.” What if I end an interchange with: “Be wild.” Or: “Live life.”

    Anyone have an other ideas of ways to bid strangers farewell, or ways to respond to “be safe” — other than “Thanks — you too!” (I heard myself saying that after scheduling a doctor’s appointment today over the phone, and started thinking — gee, whiz, there has got to be something better to say.)

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 14 2021 #89974

    @ John Day

    I understand your stance to not fight this, and I don’t expect you to change your mind, however, hear me out — because someone else in a similar position might choose to fight.

    It sounds to me that since your employer has determined that it is not expedient to violate state law, they are going to follow both laws (federal and state) by choosing a different reason to fire you.

    They seem to be choosing “a difference in ideology.”
    If the source for your ideology is religious, i.e. due to your Buddhist beliefs (I hope I’m remembering correctly here,) then you are being fired for religion — and that is clearly illegal.
    If the source for you ideaology is political, then that is not protected under federal law, but may be protected under Texas state law.
    If the source for your ideology is personal research, experience, and medical expertise…I’m not sure where that lies, but it would be interesting to suss it out. That might be considered firing for “medical negligence,” however, I believe that the employer would have to prove that negligence happened, not just that a specific protocol was not followed.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 14 2021 #89970

    Regarding painting Children Playing…
    I find it significant the number of people depicted wearing blue clothing. Indigo dye was very costly in 1560. It was my understanding that blue clothing was pretty hard to come by for those not of noble birth or in a wealthy merchant family. The other prominent color of clothing is a strong red — red was not as hard to come by as blue, but getting a brilliant red hue would take a lot of dye — especially using natural dyes.
    So then I start to wonder, what statement was Bruegel the elder making when he chose those colors?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 14 2021 #89966

    The Hill vid from germ regarding European protests…
    Isn’t it obvious why there aren’t huge protests in US? Except in NY and LA, there are very few restrictions. Right now, there are rumbles. Those affected by mandates are scrambling to get their houses in order, asking for exemptions or using up their PTO, planning for their families after they no longer have a paycheck from their jobs. They may be eying what is going on, preparing for shortages — we stocked up on pet food last night, as it would be distressing to look these furry and feathered dependents in the eyes and not have food for their bellies.

    The protests in the US are going to happen after many have lost or been furloughed from their jobs, and have the time to protest.

    I hope.

    @ boiling frog
    Well…supposedly it only takes a little over 3% in the streets to effect change, because with over 3% in the street there is a much larger percentage who are discontented, and will support the change advocated by the over 3%. The discontented who “won’t do anything”…as long as they also do nothing to further the agendas of the tyrants, it may be enough.

    I hope.

    Feeling very uneasy about the tyranny. Trying to see a viable path forward. TX governor is standing up, asking the TX legislature to back him. Will AZ governor follow suit? Will AZ legislature pull their heads out of their a$$es and redo the legislation regarding Covid that was nullified because they violated AZ law by slipping it into unrelated pieces of legislation? Can the measures pass on their own? If the AZ governor and legislature provide “cover” for the discontented populace, the populace won’t need to protest…instead they can simply have rallies to support elected state leaders.

    in reply to: Make It Make Sense To Me. I Dare You. #89915

    @ Boogaloo
    I can’t help but wonder if the factor in all of the countries you cited is herd immunity. Many of those taking ivermectin may not get sick with Covid, but will still develop (or fine tune) immunity to it. The vaxxed in Israel are contracting Covid; if they survive then they are immune. (At least…to Covid…who knows how they will fare with other immune challenges.). If here immunity gets high enough, then each person infected spreads it on to less than one other person, and the pandemic stops.
    We shall see.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 13 2021 #89885

    @ Dr D

    No barefoot stream paddling for me! I can get just as much water against my skin wearing sandals — barefoot in a creek got me stitches for the 2nd time as a child and a lesson was learned.

    It really comes down to how you define capitalism. Often, capitalism is described as a “free market system,” and yet, every time we get close to to a truly “free” market system it is rife with problems — slavery, lies about what is being sold, caveat emptor, boom/bust cycles, bank runs, etc. So, it gets regulated. And the regulations become onerous, and serve an elite group, etc.

    Another way of defining capitalism is by the relationship between those who own and run the businesses versus those who are the employees. Employees have little power individually. If what I’m describing sounds “suspicious” — that’s because it is — it is Marx’s argument. Except, that “really existing” socialism and communism simply substituted one capitalist ruling class for another — they substituted the private business owners for party elites in communism and in socialism left the private business owners but increased the regulation dramatically. Either way you look at it, power is further concentrated at the top, and individual employees remain essentially powerless.

    You have advocated for local control. So do I…. Does it matter if you come to it from a “capitalist” path and I come to it from a decidedly “anticapitalist” path if we can agree on the way forward? I advocate workers’ co-ops and other cooperative organizations because I see the need for concerted human efforts, but weary of top-down, authoritarian structures. I think that the way forward is bottom up initiatives and lateral initiatives. Now, I’ve lived long enough to realize that generally what is needed in life is balance — I’m a parent, and while the kids and I have discussions of how to spend a vacation or holiday, and we make many decisions collaboratively, in other areas I make the choices and they are obliged to abide. Perhaps, what we ultimately need in our human systems are balances between bottom up, lateral, and top down ways of organizing. I am open to this…however, right now the excesses are in top-down organizing, and too few of us even have an inkling of how to organize bottom up or laterally.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 13 2021 #89866

    @ absolute galore
    I’ve been collecting links for that same purpose. Drop me an email and I can send you everything that I’ve collected:

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 13 2021 #89864

    @ vlad (to answer your question yesterday)
    The J&J and AstraZeneca are not mRNA, BUT they use an adenovirus to gain entry to cells, and then deliver a “payload” of DNA that encodes for the spike protein. The cells translate the DNA to mRNA, and from that point on the process is identical to how the mRNA jabs work.
    How different are they? Well…the Pfizer biodistribution study obtained from Japan using luciferase as the payload suggests that the lipidnanoparticles disperse throughout the body, collecting in the organs. I don’t recall any biodistribution studies on the J&J and AstraZeneca jabs, however, these jabs are not the first use of the adenovirus technology, so it should be possible to look it up.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 12 2021 #89817

    Governments can be good at some things.

    I like the national park system. The interstate freeway system has value. (Yes, I know that it was commissioned to move the military around.)

    The Phoenix City parks, swimming pools, community centers and senior centers are very nice. The fire department is great. Phoenix city water, sewer, and garbage collection are working well. I lived in a city once that provided electricity — it was reliable and well-priced. The roads around here are reasonably well maintained, and the city library system is very well done. The local public schools are imperfect, but I’ve been able to get my kids the education that they needed by being noisy now and again; my sister has done the same by getting state funding to put towards homeschool and private schools. I know of other parents who have found effective public schooling with the charter system.

    I believe it is important when critiquing governments to be specific. Some government programs and services function reasonably well. Other government services are terrible and rife with problems and corruption.

    I also believe it is important when critiquing economic systems to be specific. Some parts of an economic system may work well broadly, others benefit or are detrimental to only portions of a population.

    It is important to analyze these things and not just paint with broad brush strokes. Often, the problems are in the details. For example, the movement to defund police departments: many of the criticisms were legitimate. However, police also serve some needed purposes — when my son was hit and dragged by a car in front of my house years ago, when my ex attempted suicide, when I needed to have my ex removed from the premises for breaking the order of protection — they provided support and service that I needed. “Defunding” does not automatically allocate resources to the services that we need more of and less resources to racial profiling and other types of biased practices.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 11 2021 #89783

    @ VP
    Excuse me if I find it hard not to choke on the idea that women can’t lead because, ahem, they are biologically unsuited…suggesting that wise men are more disposed….
    I lead others simply because of who I am intrinsically. Those who follow my lead do so because they choose to…I look back, and to my surprise I am leading others.

    I did not mean to exclude you from “us” — you see the perfidy of the parasitical class. We need all types to get through this…and we don’t all think alike. Which is okay and normal. What matters is that we recognize what is going on.

    I, too, wore an N95 mask for a few hours when taking a flight last year. Made me light headed after the first hour. I was very scared…for 6 months, until it blew up in my face and those whom I loved who were infected survived. I find it ridiculous to see all of these fearful people in their flimsy masks, telling me that their mask works, ignoring me when I tell them that if they truly are concerned they should wear an N95 or full on respirator.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 11 2021 #89782

    English “Ode to Joy” Translation
    O friends, no more of these sounds!
    Let us sing more cheerful songs,
    More songs full of joy!
    Joy, bright spark of divinity,
    Daughter of Elysium,
    Fire-inspired we tread
    Within thy sanctuary.
    Thy magic power re-unites
    All that custom has divided,
    All men become brothers,
    Under the sway of thy gentle wings.
    Whoever has created
    An abiding friendship,
    Or has won
    A true and loving wife,
    All who can call at least one soul theirs,
    Join our song of praise;
    But those who cannot must creep tearfully
    Away from our circle.
    All creatures drink of joy
    At natures breast.
    Just and unjust
    Alike taste of her gift;
    She gave us kisses and the fruit of the vine,
    A tried friend to the end.
    Even the worm can feel contentment,
    And the cherub stands before God!
    Gladly, like the heavenly bodies
    Which He sent on their courses
    Through the splendor of the firmament;
    Thus, brothers, you should run your race,
    Like a hero going to victory!
    You millions, I embrace you.
    This kiss is for all the world!
    Brothers, above the starry canopy
    There must dwell a loving father.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 11 2021 #89745

    @ Raul – many thanks for the Beethoven flash mob…I’m inspired to use it for the music class I teach this afternoon. 🙂

    I welcome people realizing what is going on and working in concert to overthrow the parasitic class.
    I am also greatly concerned. There is great danger on all sides.

    The other day Veracious Poet mentioned that “it is us vs. them.”

    This is not incorrect. However, I’ve heard the US government labeled “inverted totalitarianism” (prior to Covid)…one of the characteristics that made it different from usual totalitarianism is that our tyrants don’t name themselves. Oh, sure, we can presume Gates, Soros, the Rockefeller family, the Rothschilds, etc. are deeply involved. And we know who some of their lackeys are: Fauci, Walenski, Daszak. But…Biden? He’s a doddering old fool. The administrations of medical facilities? — most are beholden to a board, need their jobs, got jabbed themselves, etc. That doesn’t excuse them — but they are not our enemies, they did not frame this situation — they are lost.

    We can identify “us” as those who refuse the mask, refuse the shot…but everyone else IS NOT “they.”

    Oxymoron: “ A clients husband won’t even remain in the same house when I turn up to garden and drives to their other property and will no longer refer to me by name or in the first person.”

    The media, the political parties, et al., have been trying to divide the people for decades. It has been largely successful. My friends who “lean left” believe what the media tells them about people “on the right” because they don’t have any friends or family who “lean right.” They are scared of the Proud Boys, horrified by the “insurrection” of Jan. 6, have never met anyone who is “antifa,” and think Trump is the right’s supreme leader. I have family who “lean right” — in many cases, I am the only person they know who “leans left.” They share with me that although they are not racist that BLM is an evil organization that wants to destroy the nuclear family, that critical race theory is an abomination that will warp their children, that “the left” and the Democratic Party are attacking freedom.

    I am in the middle. It’s quite a muddle.

    Who is “they?”

    Tucker called it a few days ago (10/8/2021) when he stated that the real divide is authoritarianism.

    If we do not take a deep breath, step back and TALK with those who lean differently than ourselves, we run the risk of painting “them” bullseyes on the wrong people!

    Yes, there are a lot of fearful people, and it is really easy to see them as the enemy. Every single fearful person out there is a potential ally. Many others who are going along with the mainstream narrative are simply duped. Dupes are not the enemy. Dupes are not even “co-conspirators.” Like Jesus said on the cross, “Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do.” (Yup, I reveal my Christian roots.). I have so many left leaning friends who are scared and/or who are duped. I have so many right leaning family who are scared and/or who are duped. I love these people. They do much good in the world.

    This pandemic is a war of sorts — a war of the parasitical elites upon the rest of us. However, it is not a traditional war. It is not even a traditional guerrilla type war. Waging a typical war response or guerrilla response is not going to win this war. The true instigators are shielded behind layers of the fearful, the duped, and even further back we find only the lackeys. What we are truly fighting is the idea that “some are more equal than others” — that some have the right/ability to direct the human agenda to serve their own small interests to the detriment of the interests of everyone else. (“Enlightened self interest” is not a problem when one’s power does not extend very far beyond one’s self. Beyond the interest of self, there needs to be a balanced interest in the family/community — I’m not talking about where the family/community dictates to the individual, but where the individual works out for themself, on individual terms, how to engage with and support the family/community organism. The family/community organism thus takes on the characteristics of the sum total of these interactions.)

    When we feel threatened we want to fight/flee/freeze/fawn. When we are trapped, feeling that threat response and cannot act to correct the situation quickly, it wounds us psychologically. We must find ways to constructively use and discharge the threat response energy, to preserve our psychological well-being, that promotes the cause of freedom over authoritarianism, and that serves to dispel the fear of the frightened and the propaganda that binds the duped.

    This is not an easy thing to do. It is easier to paint a “them” bullseye and fight. But that pathway leads to inaccurate bullseyes, unnecessary “collateral damage,” and the weak, the vulnerable, and innocents will be harmed. Even more dangerous — down that path, we run the risk of using up all of our energy and ability fighting those who are not our enemies, and open ourselves up to losing the war and losing our freedom.

    We need to be our best selves. We need to be both savvy and wise. Yes, we must act to preserve our sanity, and yes, we must walk deliberately.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 9 2021 #89651

    “ Nothing short of a defined Us vs. Them mindset gave rise to the formerly greatest nation in history.”

    God help us all.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 9 2021 #89647

    @ VP

    “which was how the IDEA became reality in 1776.”

    Except…the entire populace of the American colonies weren’t enamored of the idea of independence. There was division over it. Many supported their king. Many were scared of destabilizing the then existing system. Many simply supported whoever was locally in power. Many supported whoever they thought was more likely in that moment would win.

    The Declaration of Independence was still just an idea — no reality until years later wen the Brits lost the war. We look back and see something idyllic — but that was not tgeir reality.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 9 2021 #89628

    “Visitors to federal buildings”

    Does that include federal buildings that tourists enter? Include, for example, visitors centers at national parks? Anyone who enters a federal court building?
    Or just visitors who are coming as a part of their job?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 8 2021 #89516

    Ragarding UK PHE data, it’s got to be that by now the rate of covid in the unvaccinated is going to be affected by natural immunity. The rub is that natural immunity should be affecting the vaxxed as well. It’s hard to measure without something like the US study on antibodies in blood donated….

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 8 2021 #89515

    “Acknowledging that there is still a benefit (although waning) for getting the jab in regards to hospitalizations and death is a way to open the door.”
    Agreed. My friend knows I don’t want the vaccine. She is triple jabbed. She is backing out of a theatre excursion because she is scared about getting Covid there. She asked me to understand her concern about getting covid despite her vaccination based on her understanding that I don’t want the clot shot. I agreed that her concerns were valid.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 7 2021 #89435

    I hear you Zerosum. I have to depend on the masses pressuring AZ governments and institutions and schools to resist the jab mandates in order to protect my kids. My coparent is “all in” for the vaccine. I can’t remove my kids from their schools unilaterally; he can’t unilaterally get them jabbed.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 7 2021 #89420

    @ T Dub: food for thought
    A friend with over 20 years experience teaching 2nd grade quit his job in June and moved to Montana to be a live-in teacher for a family with 10 kids because he didn’t want to teach while wearing a mask. He is basically working for room and board, and is delighted that they are giving him a classroom, and paying for all supplies that he requests.

    Be creative: there are options.

    I, too, hate the heat.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 7 2021 #89419

    “If you want people to put up patiently with long hours of drudgery at miserably low wages, subject to wretched conditions and humiliating policies, so that their self-proclaimed betters can enjoy lifestyles they will never be able to share, it’s a really bad idea to make them stop work and give them a good long period of solitude..”

    The way my mind works, I automatically and routinely try to come up with and seek out ways to “do stuff differently” and to use the rules of the current system in novel ways to benefit myself and my children. In the past 9 years this has been how I survived. I am self-employed because I realized that it was the most efficient way to be an involved parent and also to make enough money in a small enough period of time that I still had the energy to parent – i.e. there is very little (none, in most cases,) being skimmed off the top of my labor. Yes, the lockdowns and the need to evade vaccin3 mandates will push many more people to push the envelope and figure out the least they need from the system in order to survive — just as I have done. It will force more independence and push people to learn to be more resilient, self-reliant and community-reliant.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 7 2021 #89412

    @ TDub

    1) move someplace without the requirement (hard to predict where that might be right now)
    2) live someplace (like AZ) where home schoolers are able to get funds from state to educate their children. Use those funds to pay for private school. In AZ there are all sorts of varieties of schools and organizations that provide schooling and educational activities for “home schoolers.” My sister has been using these funds for several years — currently, the kids are going to a tiny school on a property that houses three such tiny schools. They don’t require masks or jabs, etc., but are likely not accredited, caveat emptor.
    3) pay for private schooling out of pocket (have to find a private school not mandating jabs)
    4) switch around parental work schedule so one parent is available to be with child and “home school.” There are LOTS of resources to make this easy. You can purchase curriculums, use, etc.
    5) band together with other parents in the same boat to set up “cooperative schooling.” Especially former school teachers who lost their job due to the mandates. A group of parents could probably pool their resources and pay the teacher, which would give the teacher a job, and the students an experienced teacher.

    As long as both parents are on the same page regarding vaccination, you have lots of options.

    in reply to: Attack on Red Blood Cells #89379

    @ thetrivium
    The writer of those passages sounds like he presents with a cluster b personality disorder….

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 6 2021 #89363

    Just found out that another older acquaintance is having her second bout of unusual bleeding. 3 months ago it was her eye bleeding. Now it is rectal bleeding. Yes, she had the first two shots. She may have recently had the third — I don’t know. Did a quick search of openvaers — yes, there are many reports of rectal bleeding following c19 shot. Of course, among a community of retirees, spontaneous health issues are considered “normal” and no one (but me, I suppose,) suggests that this might be related to the shot.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 6 2021 #89346

    @ Michael Reid – remove spaces from “real Chris sky” and the link works
    Was probably an autocorrect

    Re Fauci clip today
    Sheer insanity. For anyone who had covid and recovered his words are idiotic. The jab has no benefit for the Covid recovered – and certainly not from a public health perspective.
    But, like Dr D always says…oppositeland, anti logic

    Denninger, jab privacy….
    I wish that this had been pointed out to me 7 months ago, before I was public about not being jabbed…
    Then I realized, the status from “unjabbed” to “jabbed” can flip…
    Just because I was unjabbed then doesn’t mean that hasn’t changed.
    So, I have decided to reclaim my privacy in this matter. Yes, up to today, I was “unjabbed” — from today onward, if asked, I will respond that the information is protected health information that I choose not to disclose.

    Regarding children…
    Children blab all sorts of things. They can’t be seen to legally lose their privacy in matters until they are 18. It is inappropriate for an adult to try to get a child to “inadvertently share” their vax status.
    I think my teens are going to get a mini lesson on privacy laws tomorrow, especially those concerning medical privacy, and I will strongly encourage them to respond to all inquiries as to their vax status as “ask my mom” or “that is private health information.”

    in reply to: Attack on Red Blood Cells #89339

    Ok. Nice to have this all together.

    C19 n the blood messes with RBCs. It’s the C19 spikes that enable this.

    The vaccine causes just the spikes to be made. The spikes have no viral payload, can’t “infect,” but they will still bind. I watched part of the stew peters video posted yesterday, where the PhD “natural doctor” who likes squinting at blood through an optical microscope expressed her realization that after vaccination the blood under the microscope looked different. (I also noticed that the woman’s makeup looked like it had been carefully done by a paid makeup artist. She looked like doll. Did she pay someone to do that prior to the interview, or does she do it herself every day? Is she very vain? Or very insecure, needing a makeup mask?). Perhaps there is a relation to what she is seeing and what Chooch is describing here?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 5 2021 #89295

    I couldn’t keep this to myself

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    Chooch: “ But here is the thing, what if ADE is not a thing and nobody starts melting in their footprint like WTC7. In the limit, as more and more unvaccinated people that have had Covid get jabbed will the efficacy numbers start to inflect making boosters look like they are improving things. I know, Its really natural immunity that’s the driver but the data will be used to give credit to the jab.”

    I, too, have considered that eventually everyone will have natural immunity, jab or no jab. Still early to judge on ADE, but the numbers are suggesting that it bears further investigation. Regardless, the jabs wreak havoc on the immune system, doing much more than just ramping up spike antibody production. I’m aware of three young individuals with cancers post jab, one in my social circle, two in a social circle 2 people removed from me. The control group must hold. If this narrative doesn’t fall apart soon, the unvaccinated are going to need to create an underground economy in order to survive.

    in reply to: Normalcy Migration #89218

    << Decentralization is the only antidote to totalitarianism>>
    I couldn’t agree more.

    @ John Day
    When the fancy takes me, I’ll come visit Texas. No idea when.
    Drove through the TX panhandle on long trip with my family when I was 12. It was nighttime, pouring rain, lightning streaking out across the sky. Fantastic!

    in reply to: Normalcy Migration #89201

    The AZ Legislature tacked a ban on mask mandates at schools into a funding bill.

    My daughter’s school district decided to follow the recommendations of the CDC rather than AZ law, and said that all must mask, but allowed parents to opt students out of the mandate. (Which I could not do because my ex is in the Covidian Cult and we have joint legal decision making — can’t do anything unless we both agree.)

    Last week, a judge ruled the AZ Legislature ban on school mask mandates unconstitutional — not because the AZ Legislature can’t make a law regarding masks in schools, but because the AZ Legislature didn’t follow AZ law in the bill as it was written.

    <<Cooper [the judge] cited two rules in the Arizona Constitution to support her ruling. One states that a bill can only tackle one thing, or one single subject, at a time. When it comes to the budget, the subject is clearly supposed to be how to spend taxpayer dollars, Cooper wrote. Another constitutional rule requires bills to be given a title that accurately reflects the content of the bill.

    <<In four budget bills, Republican state lawmakers violated at least one, or in one case, both of those rules, Cooper wrote.

    <<That one case included what Cooper described as an “array of provisions are in no way related to nor connected with one another or to an identifiable ‘budget procedure.’ ”

    <<The 55-page Senate bill included policies that stripped the Democratic secretary of state of the authority to defend, or choose not to defend, Arizona election law; a broad preemption of local COVID-19 mitigation requirements for private businesses; a special committee to receive reports from a widely criticized, GOP-led review of the 2020 election in Maricopa County; and time limits on a governor’s declaration of a public health emergency.

    <<“The bill is classic logrolling – a medley of special interests cobbled together to force a vote for all or none,” Cooper wrote.

    <<She rejected arguments from the state’s attorney, who said the legislature has broad authority to interpret what policies fit under the title of a bill and what qualifies as the “single subject” a bill can deal with.>>

    I wish the lawmakers would just write and pass the bills. We need much of what was in those bills.

    In the meantime, my daughter’s school district has decided that staff, teachers, and students may no longer opt out of masks indoors, unless they have a specific disability. I’m glad my kids are teens, and not so young — I don’t think that the masks are as damaging to teens. My sister is sending her kids to a private school to avoid the masks (she is using home school scholarship money to do it.)

    The school district has decided that only people with certain disabilities are now able to opt out of wearing masks.

    <<While many WESD students, teachers and staff are currently wearing their face masks daily, the Governing Board reiterated the importance of universal mask wearing for the safety of the students, most of whom are not eligible for the vaccine at this time. Additionally, according to the Maricopa County Department of Public Health, if students are all wearing masks, fewer must quarantine.>>

    They don’t mention the judge’s ruling last week. Instead, they want us to presume that it is so that fewer students must quarantine. But, seriously, I doubt that has *anything* to do with it — my daugher tells me that most of the students didn’t get opted out and are wearing masks. And most of the students wear them improperly. I’m getting so tired of this “pandemic theater.”

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 4 2021 #89165

    I’m reading “how to hide an empire: a history of the greater United States”

    This quote seems relevant to what is going on today:

    Estimates for Native American population prior to arrival of European settlers varies from 720,000 to 15 million, while most estimates are in the 5 million range.

    By 1800, the indigenous population was closer to a half million, having endured what may have been a 90 percent decline.

    Also accomplished with “germs.”

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 4 2021 #89163

    Many narratives simply emerge without pushing.
    propaganda and advertising require pushing, otherwise they would be outcompeted into irrelevance

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 3 2021 #89112

    If there are no grocery stores around with less than 100 employees…then it is time to start a food-coop.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 2 2021 #89047

    @ VP if your travels bring you to/thru AZ, let me know, would enjoy chatting with you + fmly.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 2 2021 #89046

    “Some medical studies for ivermectin contain fraud” DOES NOT EQUAL “all medical studies for ivermectin contain fraud”

    CDC cites several documents including medical studies in its guidance that school children be masked. Anyone who wants to take the time can follow CDC’s references and read the studies. Steve Petty did that in a series of videos. The medical study results were interesting, however, none of them found that masks made a measurable difference. The vast majority of the studies never even studied mask wearing alone, and only one contained a unmasked control group (schools in FL.) CDC is basing its guidance on…misty nothingness, on flim-flam.

    Uttar Pradesh and Peru data is very clear.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 2 2021 #89031

    Conundrums of the unvaxxed:
    Any ideas on how to address the problem of vax mandated for biz with 100+ employees? The best option would be to simply not shop at those businesses. However, when living in a large metropolis, in many sectors of the economy there *are* no businesses with less than 100 employees. I know of no grocery stores in a 50 mile radius that aren’t part of a chain. Sure, there is a farmer’s market a few miles away for a few hours on Saturday morning, but there are many food sectors not covered by the farmers market. (Nobody local has avocados….). Wear a pin that says “solidarity with the unvaxxed” while shopping? I know that the next step will be disallowing the unvaxxed from entry. If (when) that happens, do I continue to patronize the chain stores through pickup? (Will I not be able to select my own avocados?). Would the unvaxxed even be allowed at the outdoor farmers market at a public park? It’s fine for me to choose not to patronize such stores, limit the foods I eat to those produced locally, etc., but I have three teens that are picky eaters, and their dad wants them vaxxed.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 2 2021 #89023

    “ A pre-print study that overstated the risk of contracting myocarditis following COVID-19 vaccination was retracted due to a miscalculation – but not before it featured in social media posts questioning vaccine safety”

    That is very good. That means that outside of the circles of the FDA, CDC, WHO, etc., where the Covid narrative is being pushed, that science is still functioning. That is why medical studies undergo peer review. That is why they are labeled “preprint” before peer review. If anyone isn’t aware of the significance of peer review, then that person is ignorant. Ignorance happens.

    Of course, for the FDA, CDC, etc., if they discover that they made a mistake (oops! People believe they had Covid from a PCR test cranked up to 35+, but didn’t really, and have no natural immunity!), instead of owning their mistake, suggesting all such cases get antibody testing to verify whether or not they achieved immunity, they sweep it under the rug and demand that all get vaccinated.

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