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  • #82190
    Mister Roboto
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    But I don’t like the idea that because we have “given up” our guns, then we have gone into captivity. Most people here don’t want a gun culture; this is our cultural choice and should be respected. Outsiders criticise us for being subservient and not independent enough. Not at all: we are a surprisingly patient and enduring lot, willing to put up with a certain level of abuses and insults for a better outcome.

    One of the few things I know about “Oz” is that the majority of the population lives in cities that are clustered on the temperate coastlines, which is something that makes it fairly unique. So I’m thinking that people shouldn’t expect it to be like the US, the UK, Russia, China, or whomever.

    #82191
    Archie
    Participant

    @TDK

    Thanks for posting the Bloomberg editorial. A new narrative is forming.

    #82192
    John Day
    Participant

    @MC Whammer:
    Archduke Ferdinand was visiting Ft. Detrick, Maryland, in late spring 2019, when…

    #82193
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    John Day

    I rather enjoy Hudson’s brand of fiery religious conservatism as he expresses it although I’m on the other side. He needs large massive institutions to ease his secular aches; I like a few wee books and a whispering wind. He’s no G.K. Chesterton but that’s good because he is a great Hudson.

    He’s one of this kind:

    ^&*

    ezlxa1949

    I suppose it’s more about the quality of officially armed minions and the population they serve, with weapons et al being a distraction from the real issue of power.

    #82194
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    “Archduke Ferdinand was visiting Ft. Detrick, Maryland, in late spring 2019, when…”

    Real footage from Fort Detrick’s biology lab campus

    God, that looks yummy.

    #82195
    those darned kids
    Participant

    órale, tae summary. i didn’t think anybody would notice my levels of government. just excellent optimizations.

    bravo.

    #82196
    those darned kids
    Participant

    archie: i use some kind of “reader” plug in with my browser. it strips away all the gunk, leaving just text. and, conveniently, this plug in often jumps the paywall.

    #82197
    those darned kids
    Participant

    germ: “We’re gonna need a third arm!”

    that’s what the vaccines are for. just wait. they’ll be sprouting soon, right from the left shoulder.

    #82198
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    tdk: aye, ypur gov categories were lucidly apposite.

    #82199
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    The Atlantic and The New York Times weigh in on the Sputnik-V-like Novavax Covid vaccine. I consider this of interest because if any of us find ourselves in the position of being strongly compelled to get vaxxed, this one will probably be the one least likely by far to kill you or disable you for the rest of your life.

    #82200
    oxymoron
    Participant

    My dad – (shithead – took off when I was three, wants to be friends 45 years later) anyway … My dad (2 shots AZ) says – ‘you are an idiot if you think this vaccine is experimental – thay have been working on Corona Virus vaccines for at least a decade’

    Bad Genes – can’t be it – I now believe in nurture over nature! Mum is cool AND gave us roof, food, everything else – on ya mum.

    #82201
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    Wow, Daddy Dearest sure knows how to make an overture after being gone and unheard from for almost half a century!

    #82202
    russellnblbs
    Participant

    @Oxy yeah my in-laws said the same to me. I replied with ‘yeah they have, and the reason they have never been approved is that they have never passed the safety trials due to the unfortunate fact that the test animals all died’. Cue silence.

    #82203
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    Ex-contractor jailed for leaking US drone attack secrets

    Daniel Everette Hale, 33, worked as an Air Force intelligence officer developing targets for drone strikes in Afghanistan in 2011-2012, an experience he said left him emotionally scarred.

    After leaving military service, in 2014 he worked for a defense contractor for eight months which gave him access to top secret documents detailing the US government’s secretive drone assassinations in Yemen, Afghanistan and Somalia.

    July 27, 2021·2 min read
    A former intelligence analyst was sentenced Tuesday to 45 months in prison for leaking secrets about the US military’s drone attacks that were the basis of a powerful 2015 news expose.

    Daniel Everette Hale, 33, worked as an Air Force intelligence officer developing targets for drone strikes in Afghanistan in 2011-2012, an experience he said left him emotionally scarred.

    After leaving military service, in 2014 he worked for a defense contractor for eight months which gave him access to top secret documents detailing the US government’s secretive drone assassinations in Yemen, Afghanistan and Somalia.

    He fed the documents to The Intercept news outlet, which used them for an eight-part series that shook the administration of president Barack Obama, raising broader questions about the increase in drone strikes and the killing of innocent non-combatants.

    #82204
    WES
    Participant

    Obama said he was was very good at drone killing. His dead had no say in their deaths. Only he had any say.

    #82205
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    There’s no departure from the strict punishment of whistleblowers. They’re doubling down, like their partners in crime, China, on suppression. It won’t do them any good.

    #82209
    those darned kids
    Participant

    i wonder if jeffrey epstein will be at mr. obama’s birthday shindig this year…

    martha’s vineyard is named after a relative of an original saxon conquistador. i therefore propose changing the name to something more appropriate for our times, solgell island.

    [insert link to “solgell island” from a godzilla fandom page]

    #82210
    those darned kids
    Participant

    i know abdulrahman al-awlaki won’t be at the party.

    #82211
    those darned kids
    Participant

    and remember…

    spikey the jab reminds you that only you can prevent covid outbreaks.

    #82212
    Archie
    Participant

    Well, that was quick.

    FDA Reportedly Hopes To Fully Approve Pfizer’s Covid Vaccine By Labor Day

    Part 2 of the new narrative.

    #82213
    Archie
    Participant

    Tag-team propaganda right out in the open.

    #82115
    deflationista
    Participant

    “Those who know, don’t say. Those who say, don’t know.” That quote changed things for me. I used to be an active participant here and in other forums like this way back in the day. Jay Hanson and I used to go back and forth. (You wanna talk about a flaming liberal? Jay was your guy.) For a while there, even Kunstler was involved. But, when I heard that quote… man. It stopped me in my tracks. It kind of made sense. What the fuck did I know? And why was I saying so much? I ended my ‘career’ as a full time participant in these types of forums. Which leads me to another concept. “We don’t know what we don’t know.” That’s right boys and girls- your friends and mine- Dunning and Kruger. Hand in hand, these two concepts seem to flourish in these spaces. We have a bunch of “experts” saying things. Apparently, they “know” all sorts of shit. But what they don’t know is, they don’t know what they don’t know. Capiche? Typically, the dominant personalities take over. The better writers keep posting. If you have both attributes, look out! But for most people in these forums, they get intimidated. They try to raise their hands and make a comment or pipe in with an opinion only to be swatted back in line by the established pecking order. That’s how these forums tend to settle. Hell, that’s how things settle in real life. Most people just end up lurking- head down, lips zipped. I mean, look what happened when I came here to raise a red flag about information that apparently is taken as true by the general AE populace. You all get ruffled feathers. You attack this Yuri dude as if he is some agent planted to disseminate vaccine propaganda. I mean, someone insinuated I was a plant by the CIA or the NSA and it was only a matter of time before ‘a person like me’ shows up. That’s a common response these darkened days when people say things that run counter to your precious narrative. I didn’t even know who Yuri was until the day I watched that video. Who the fuck cares what his credentials are? That somehow negates his analysis of shitty data used by ivermectin and anti-vax propagandists? If credentials are so important, then what the fuck are yours? I found a great About Us page today on a blog called Skeptical Raptor. They suggest credentials don’t really matter: “Mr. Andrew Wakefield presumably attended medical school, and he perpetrated one of the largest medical frauds in the history of mankind. Linus Pauling won two Nobel Prizes, yet wrote pseudoscientific books about vitamin C, which has no effect on cancer or colds. Tetyana Obukhanych has a Ph.D. in immunology, and she hasn’t written one accurate thing about vaccines. The only thing that matters is evidence, not false authority.” Some person suggested that I am a sucker for big government or big pharma. Someone considers me to be a sheep who is “selling pro-covid firewater”. What the fuck does that even mean? What the fuck is going on in this world? And then ironically enough, I see some commentary in someone’s post suggesting, and rightfully so, that QAnon (and I am paraphrasing), is “out there”? Oh, theeey’re out there? But the weird narratives being spun here are….. perfectly acceptable?! Makes sense! Does anyone ever examine their own biases? Their own personal flavor of conspiracy? Maybe being in these echo chambers might not be conducive to open dialogue afterall? Maybe they don’t allow new ideas to penetrate the hardened shell? Just wondering out loud. I see it as a devolving feedback loop that eventually hones the community into a homogenous sort of groupthink. Does anyone consider how they may be Dunning-Kruger’s latest sucker? Are you one of those who knows? Or one of those who says? Something is surely afoot in this god forsaken country where even critical thinking is frowned upon as long as it ain’t critical of the agreed upon narrative. And ‘madame whoever’ hit on it earlier when she said that the “sides have been drawn” or something like that and nothing will change that. She got that right, by god. I came here to post a little teeny tiny bit of needed push back on articles and graphics emanating from people like Kory, Lawrie, Weinstein, FLCCC, BiRD. I started to see people like Raul and Nicole, people I consider my mentors, post these things more and more, without even the slightest sniff of disclaimer. Apparently this shit is real and everyone knows it! I have friends sharing those same exact graphics and YouTube interviews on their social media platforms. My friends fell right into every goddamn trap set by the antivax, antiliberal campaign. Kristin is unapproachable at this point. Like some wild animal hybrid of a honey badger and Marjorie Taylor Greene. She is completely lost in a world dominated by dumb right wing memes and hateful groupthink. She is the ultimate antivaxxer. Well, only until you consider my friend Karen, who makes Kristin look like Linus fucking Pauling. Karen’s kid won’t be going to college because her school of choice requires a covid shot. I get it. I do. I can see taking a stand. But Karen’s kid doesn’t have any vaccines. Neither do Kristin’s kids. Walking freely in society living on the immunity provided by others, kinda like the welfare leeches they like to complain about. Both are deep in the rabbit hole of believing that Fauci is pure, unadulterated evil. Satan incarnate. Just like Bill Gates, except Bill Gates is worse! That’s because Bill is attempting to depopulate the planet, so he and Fauci developed the virus, and the vaccine to cure it, so that they could not only kill some people right off, but then track the survivors through microchips floating in the covid vaccines. Never mind that both Kristin and Karen carry a fucking cell phone everywhere they go and have been tracked by the NSA for like 20 years now. They use the same phrases I have heard here like “Great Reset” or “Big Purge”. You see that language used in a lot of places these days. Funny thing that none of them seem to consider, just for entertainment purposes, is that maybe the global elites did indeed create the virus to kill off some of the overflow- what with overpopulation and resource depletion, and the coming climate crisis. What better way to cull the herd? But maybe instead of the vaccine being a poison to kill you, it actually serves as a lifeboat of sorts. They knew damn well who would and who wouldn’t take the jab. And looking at the demographics of who actually is and who isn’t getting jabbed, maybe their plan is going according to plan? Maybe conservatives, blacks, and latinos should call their bluff? Maybe you are the one’s being purged? At least though, you’ll die free. Libs owned! High five! It might make a good sci-fi novel. But I digress. You could see the looney wave coming from a mile away. Look at Jim Kunstler fer chrissakes. Are you kidding me? If you think that this man has not changed over the years, you either just started reading him, or you are just as far down the same rabbit hole that he is. I love the guy. Don’t get me wrong. But my man started to repeat similar editorials that he must have been hearing on Fox News. In an almost completely transparent way, almost word for word. I could watch Fox during the week, and then read Jim on Friday, and know exactly where he got his “talking points” for his essays. I admit that I slid down the same holes. It’s a slippery slope for sure. Look at Glenn Greenwald. Even Matt Taibi. You should read Nate Robinson’s new article on how these two slid down that hole over the last several years. I don’t agree with everything Nate Robinson says, but goddamn, he tapped into a sentiment that I know I’m not alone in feeling. But Nate saved the receipts.

    Seems like old Donald really did a number on the mindset of this country. It’s like he turned on a light in a hot Phoenix apartment in the middle of the night. Roaches that we never knew existed, it turns out, were everywhere. It was fucking refreshing to have someone not give a shit about what he said, or how he said it. Grab ‘em by the pussy didn’t even phase anyone. Me too. I mean, me neither. I was so damn tired and I wasn’t going to take it anymore. Nothing phased us. He wasn’t a typical politician, we said. He is not a fascist, we said. He loves America, we said. And the whole Russian BS really sealed the deal for a lot of people. I think that’s when Kunstler really started losing his footing in the rabbit hole. He slipped in the mud, and just kept on sliding. There were times over the last several years where you could not differentiate between Jim’s Monday or Friday rants and Hannity’s nightly editorials. I know. It’s no biggy if that’s the case. But what was a big deal for me was knowing that my dude- my man- Jim fucking Kunstler, drank some sort of alt-right Kool-Aid. He was now just some weird, smarter clone of Mark Levin or Kurt Schlichter. He lost his essence. He lost his life force and became just another stale voice in a shallow sea of crackers. Just like Glenn Greenwald. Just like Matt Taibi. They morphed into something akin to catty sorority girls who got butt hurt that they weren’t invited to Delta Chi’s homecoming party and now just can’t let it go. But there is a hard edge to their commentary. A meanness. A real honest to god hatred for establishment liberal figures and policies. It gurgles from their depths like the slow, early boil of a thick tar. It seemed that they just couldn’t help but lose themselves to it. Like the power of Mordor. Or as if they were bitten by some walker before Rick Grimes could chop its head off. Now, they seem fully turned, unable to come back to the world of the living. Trapped in some darkened hologram of reality consisting of heavy revenge and mean tweets. What a sad turn of events. We need those fresh voices. The voices that bashed everyone equally for being tools of the system. Now Jim and Glenn and a lot of you here just bash in one direction. As if the side your bashing from isn’t a gigantic part of the problem. Somehow tough guys and gals everywhere are OK worshiping an effeminate elitist prig who, and this I promise, hates you more than he hates a steady breeze or Adam “Shifty” Schiff. He loathes his followers. He loathes you. I promise. Think about it. Nicole Foss used to be part of this beautiful place. Trump ended that. But many here probably think of her the same way you think of me- some snowflake liberal tool who does the bidding of the big government establishment. Someone who needs to be discounted because they haven’t eaten the right color pill. And the same does apply in the other direction. The “other” is always part of some odd conspiracy it seems. Remember when Jim used to stress the fact that he is allergic to conspiracies? I just had to throw that in. Raylan Givens had a great quote in the TV show Justfied: “If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you’re the asshole.” Maybe something to think about.

    I loathe liberals. Maybe more than I loathe whatever the fuck the right has become. Liberals are more insidious because they pretend to care. Cons just don’t bother pretending. Someone earlier thanked this forum for steering them to a red state to live. Oh yeah? Good luck with that. I live in the reddest of all states. It ain’t Texas. My state makes Texas look like fucking Cuba. My state has a bunch of Karens and Kristins running around in it and a bunch of other morons who don’t have a pot to piss in and think that libruls lurk around every corner trying to take their freedumbs. A BLM peaceful protest happened last year in my state where families with kids and signs came out in solidarity with George Floyd, and what happened next really made me take pause. Hundreds of armed “patriots”, some wearing Nazi tats and garb surrounded, intimidated, and assaulted peaceful protesters. People were hit with flag poles, punched in the back of their heads, other people (women) were pushed down stairs, racist things were screamed over a megaphone. It was like a preview of what some of us saw those tourists doing at the Capitol on Jan 6th. I’ll tell you. I am so fucking tired of the dumbness of America. Blue State America is D.U.M.B. Red State America is D.U.M.B.E.R. We are dumb all over, just like Zappa said. And a little ugly on the side. I was able to find my footing during the pandemic. I was sliding down the same slippery slopes as many of you, Kunstler, Greenwald, etc., but the excruciating dumbness on display this last year just snapped me out of whatever trance I was under and I started climbing out of that dark, muddy hole. Take Ivermectin for a fake virus! <Wait, what?>…. Vaccine makes you infertile! <Oh no>…. Dr. Fauci is evil! <Ok, but…>… Bill Gates is eviler! <Wow, I had no idea>… Ivermectin cures covid 100%! <Holy shit! Why is it censored?>… Hydroxychloroquin works!… There are microchips in the vaccine! <Are you sure?>…. The vaccine is more dangerous than covid! <FUCK!>…. You become magnetized if you get the shot! <HOLY SHIT!>…. Demon sperm!…. There are no excess deaths from covid! <Wait, noone died?>…. Alien DNA is being used in medicine!…. Inject some bleach, you say? “We oughta look into that, Brownie… You’re doin a heckuva job”….. Oh wait, I got my decades mixed up. Really people. Get a grip. We had a White Coat Summit of Donald’s favorite doctors for god’s sake. Do you know how stupid you have to be to believe some of this shit? I’m sorry. But this is lunacy. We ain’t wrapped tight.

    Not everyone, especially your normal everyday sciencey type, is out to get you or in on some deep, centuries long conspiracy. If scientific consensus doesn’t confirm your bias, you don’t just disregard it as some nonsense propaganda. Just because someone is a doctor, doesn’t mean they can’t be bat shit crazy. Just think of Trump’s favorite- Dr. Stella Immanuel. You should question your own beliefs, especially the one’s you hold dearest. They are often the one’s that you got all wrong somewhere along the line. And I would definitely question any data or claim you hear from Kory, Lawrie, etc. It just ain’t science. It’s kind of creepy even. Why wouldn’t you want to have all available data? I’ve got no skin in the game other than the fact that their claims and methodology are so blatantly skewed that I just want to see them answer for it.

    Thanks for reading this long rambling rant. I am taking care of my mom who is dying of Stage IV leiomyosarcoma so I have a lot of time to write and reflect. It’s a damn sad state of affairs here. Life is too short to let your mind calcify into hate and cynicism and conspiracy. I am speaking to myself. And maybe you too. But, don’t listen to me. I just don’t know. Do you?

    #82215
    those darned kids
    Participant

    well, since i scroll up, i haven’t read the rest yet, but, all my best wishes to you, deflationista, and to your mom, and any family and friends going through such a trying time.

    #82216
    V. Arnold
    Participant
    #82217
    those darned kids
    Participant

    why don’t you want ivermectin to work?

    i don’t know about others, but i question the safety of the vaccines because i have seen four different people end up in the hospital, including my father who spent 2 weeks in the hospital with “pneumonia” shortly after his injections.

    another man had a stroke, a 19 year-old boy spent the night for observation because of extreme pain, and another fellow’s heart issues suddenly came back after many years.

    anecdotes, and so, what can i prove? it’s always just another coincidence.

    honestly, would you buy a car that was associated with (anecdotally, self-reportedly) 12,000 reports of death in its first year.

    #82218
    Mr. House
    Participant

    long rambling screed hard to make any sense of, hates both sides, bottom line take the jab. Thanks you’ve convinced me.

    #82219
    ctbarnum
    Participant

    @deflationista

    After reading that long screed that seems to summarize your view that most alternative writers have “gone to the dark side,” what about Caitlin Johnstone? Has she gone crazy too? She’s said nothing about COVID the past 18 months while her country fell further and further down the rabbithole of totalitarianism, but now she has had the courage to connect the dots. Is she “crazy” now?

    “The sane way to counteract the public distrust that’s been caused by generations of lies, wars and depravity would be a tremendous increase in transparency, accountability and contrition on the part of those institutions, showing the public that they have changed and are working to become more trustworthy. So naturally what we are seeing is vaccine mandates in New York City, pundits calling for forced injections, and soldiers policing the streets of Sydney.”

    The problem. Sane is not happening.

    https://caitlinjohnstone.substack.com/p/after-russiagate-why-wouldnt-people

    This time is not like any other we have seen in our lifetimes, but parallels to the past are too noticeable. Medicine has been at the forefront of quite a few great advances, but also a good many crimes using “research” as their justification. One of those possible stories is me (count me as not a fan of Johns Hopkins, but it’s a long story), however, I’ve always been on the line as to whether what happened was a crime or an advance that helped succeeding generations of children avoid the life I have. That said, I am not going to jump into another experiment “for science” when the evidence shows the risks outweigh the benefits. I feel for your situation, however, there is a reason we have agreements such as the Nuremburg Code and the Belmont Report, it’s so we can say NEVER AGAIN. And here we are, pick a side. You can either say never again, or it’s okay again. Just remember, the same people who told us in 2001 there was reason to torture the “other” are the same people who view COVID as a reason to limit the sovereignty of the new “other.” Your choice. Pick a side.

    #82228
    those darned kids
    Participant

    excellent, ct.

    #82229
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    Well, all I have to say is, there are three billion more people on the planet now than there were when I moved into the freshman dorms of the University of Wisconsin in Madison in 1986, and by 1994 after I had graduated, I realized that the pattern would continue until we hit a very hard cinderblock wall, that we would do everything in our power to make the impact as harsh as it could be because that’s just the way this country has always been, and that nothing was going to save us from this fate.

    However, realizing this makes me rather less than rather more predisposed to take what the establishment is telling me at face value, especially seeing as how this creeping totalitarianism is at odds with how the modern world has dealt with pandemics in the past. That has me wondering what else might be going on. If it’s official narratives you want, there’s plenty of that from the likes of The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Atlantic, The New Yorker, and countless other publications and broadcasts. It’s puzzling to me that you would be all butthurt that we don’t like seeing our tiny little island of rational inquiry and speculation (certainly often tinged with bitter emotions about the encroaching madness of “The New Normal”) infected with the telescreen’s goodthinkfulness.

    And if some people like Kunstler, who after all is a Boomer with one foot in the proverbial grave (not wishing harm or demise upon him, mind you), want to use questioning and challenging “The New Normal” as an excuse to drink Trumpster Kool-Aid because they don’t like Draq Queen Story-Reading Hour at the local library or whatever, yeah, that’s eye-rolling.
    But as long as civil libertarian constitutional representative government remains endangered by what’s happening now, I am probably not going to care about that as much as you seem to think I should. And I’m sorry you have to live with what sounds like the worst kind of intolerant rednecks. Perhaps that may give you some idea how we feel hearing all this talk that we should either be coerced into taking an experimental injection that has killed way more people than any instituted vaccine ever has or have our rights curtailed for refusing to take it.

    #82233
    Mister Roboto
    Participant
    #82236
    jgomz
    Participant

    @deflacionista – you should take you own advice and check the counter-arguments to the video you posted, because Yury’s arguments habe been teared down not only on the data, but also on the logic. Please suit yourself reading some of the critiques. Ey, I thought Yuri welcomed challenges on the data!
    Some examples-
    He claims to disprove that ivm is 100% effective. I can do that too, as I never heard anyware (and never saw the famous podcast) that number. What is clear as day is that ivm combined with other cheap treatments can elimitate 100% sure the threat of this pandemic all over the world for good. He stress the same fallacy as all other shills : “not proven in high quantities or over the long term”. Tip for you, damned Kory don’t recommend ivm in high quantities or over the long term, and the “end the pandemic” thing stil holds.

    The thing those dangerous doctors are pushing is not “ivm or hcq”, but “early treatment”. The gall.

    Yuri? he didn’t mention vitamin D and other promising treatments; it smells a lot as “I want to discredit these people and ivm specifically, they told me so”. How do you explain otherwise that other combinations for treatments are not adressed by Yuri? From the other side, how do you explain that in 25 countries the early treatment for covid (official and published policy) is “no treatment”? Is this not enough for you to suspect?

    Again, on the logic of Yuri’s arguments… Vit.D, Curcumin, HCQ or IVM are SAFE. Let me repeat, SAFE, at the doses approved for other ailments. Proven beyond any doubt. How can Yuri (or you for than matter) that replacing “no treatment” with “do something” with them in early treatment is some kind of lunacy?
    Vaccines on the other side, may be effective and are proven of not being safe for a (TINY TINY) number of people, and Yuri have no problem with them. Right.

    All of that piece is really plagued with bias on “I dismiss this study because is flimsy or third-world-ish”, but “I prove to you I am right with this other (unsubstantiated and/or retracted) paper”. Absolutely full of that.
    Just try to apply the standard Yuri uses to praise the vaccines to, say Vit.D: It will look to you as the ultra-wonder drug of the century…
    Deflacionista, please, first *do no harm*.

    #82246
    jgomz
    Participant

    aagggh, lots of typos and broken english, sorry about that 🙁

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