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  • in reply to: Debt Rattle August 18 2023 #141545
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    Irony is not dead, it is Hope that has perished
    love,
    cracker

    in reply to: A Tale of Two Cosmologies #141543
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    DBS you have broken my heart.

    in reply to: A Tale of Two Cosmologies #141521
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    A Rose by any other name…. or the map is not the territory

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9pR0gfil_0 – Jacques Vallée 16:57 minutes

    Copernicus, Gallileo, Newton, Einstein

    Nicholas Klein,1918 speech “First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. And then they attack you and want to burn you. And then they build monuments to you,”

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 17 2023 #141446
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    a short note to those advocating for the existence of a hidden or unkown body in control of the West. The first point is the nature of the internet, open communication. The information age has not only revolutionized communication between private citizens it has also had the same effect on all communications, public and private.

    The Treaty of Dunkirk, 1947, and the first stirrings of the origins of the European Union in 1948 are the base of the timelines of NATO and The European Union as presently constituted. The colonial powers of western Europe all managed their colonies with differing methods, some more brutal others less brutal. The fact remains the western European colonization process was brutal and inhumane. NATO and the European Union were created to formalize and integrate the relations between the colonial powers. The press release for the creators of the Union was to “make war unthinkable and materially impossible”. The actual purpose was to make war unthinkable and materially impossible against the colonial powers. The evolution of NATO and the integration of the United States into the European colonial powers is not hidden from anyone. That the true purpose of these bodies was the continuation of the colonial purpose is not hidden.

    The seventy three years between The Treaty of Dunkirk and the advent of the Pandemic of 2020 is an open book for all to see and the history is written. I know that the seeds of the Viet Nam conflict were sown before the Armistice of the Korean Conflict came into being. I know the citizens of my home, the United States of America, have openly supported the colonialist aspirations of our nation over the course of my life. My nation has engaged with the European colonial powers to enslave the balance of humanity.

    The phantasy that the purpose of NATO and the European Union is noble is just that, a phantasy. The citizens of the western nations to a large degree coalesced around the notion “might makes right”. Time after time, year after year, election after election citizens of the west voted into place those who expounded this position most clearly. In essence the most callous adherants to this philosophy were placed into positions of authority. The rapine of the lesser nations was celebrated openly.

    Year after year organizations of control were created to further the ambitions of each nation singulary and in concert with the formal international bodies. When the information age blossomed all of these existing organizations had the advantages of instant communication that private citizens acquired.

    There seems to be a feeling that, “My view has changed and there is suddenly a new phenomena emerging”. Let it be suggested, guess again. Buyers remorse is part of the human experience.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 15 2023 #141334
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    Hey Dr. D. , from the Bronx to Milan bro

    The Art of the Deal

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 10 2023 #140949
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    jb-hb
    “But nothing you do counts. Nothing you do matters. If you make or do anything we take it, ‘coz “FROM each according to their ability, TO each according to their need.” As long as that’s true, nothing you do matters and life has no meaning.”

    There ya go Mr. Projection.
    indeed an effort is made to pack innuendo into each short phrase, however your ability to read between the lines is astonishing. D’s reversal of the intent of the From To phrase is cynical even for the Dr. I hope you understand that the capitalist renunciation of the original was because the flow of resources was the antithesis of that used in today’s comment.

    May i offer you a breath mint?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 10 2023 #140906
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    “FROM each according to their ability, TO each according to their need.” As long as that’s true, nothing you do matters and life has no meaning.” Dr. D

    A short and most succint argument against the extended family and human procreation with investment in child nurturing.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 9 2023 #140859
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    “Armchair warriors shed no tears.”
    my parents
    said know

    Beautiful

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 2 2023 #140487
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    went back and read through yesterday and TAE summary from last night.

    Hope everyone here will forgive my bringing forth an ill wind
    cracker

    phoenix the reason i am a carpenter and not working playing popular music is i could not properly support my children in the night club scene and those were the gigs available. When i was fifteen and attempting to self teach myself piano my mother stood behind me for a moment as i struggled with one of the Inventions and commented “your taste is all in your mouth”. On the path it takes a long time from the moment you are introduced to Piston and music as math for the benefit to appear in your playing, that is my experience. I am a mechanic not a musician, as a mechanic value is in the music not in one’s ability. “I’ll See You in My Dreams” is one of those 20th century folk music pieces that remains. The Chet Atkins, Mark Knopfler recordings are quite nice. Yes most popular music is produced and consumed. Rascal Flatts is one example of a studio/label producing music and then marketing a band as the creators. The Monkees were perhaps the earliest open example of such activity. One of my friends worked as a stable drummer for a man that owned a small label. My friend was with the same players under differing names over the course of each month based on regional sales of records. None of those players were on any of the promoted recordings.
    i didn’t quite graduate from the John Prine Academy of Travis Picking

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 2 2023 #140480
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    Germ, bueno suerte

    V. Arnold, our resident mining engineer can probably help with some of the electric vehicle quandries. Commercial trucking is what catches my attention. The amount of copper that would be needed to bring fast charging for commercial vehicles along the US interstate highway system into being is not on hand. Copper is the “One” for high ampacity transmission and that is fast charging. The second problem is the added weight of the battery and the extra ton allowed for electric commercial vehicles. The road beds are designed to weight per travel mile. Reduce the payload of the vehicle means increase the traffic. Catch 22 for aging roadbeds. Manufacture of cement is one of the most energy comsumptive human activities and as we are told petroleum and thus asphaltic concrete are on the way out. No copper, no inexpensive limestone based concrete and no asphalt. Over simplification of the situation, my specialty. I just know that you need a piece of string to fly a kite.
    Transportation in the west needs to be rethought. I am not as pro automobile

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 1 2023 #140421
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    jb-hb the skim from the English colonial system is what financed all of Victoria Queen of the Ocean and the colonization of Australia as a penal colony.

    yes human beings are as brutal as they appear to be, every single one of us, without exception

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 1 2023 #140420
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    jb-hb when one looks at the debt load carried by all western economies it is clear there is not enough value added production to sustain any of those economies. When a person looks at debt to earnings ratio in the mainstream economy as well as any government economy all that one sees is debt. Going along to keep the get along going is skim. I certainly am not innocent. Every plan set i produce for residential or light commercial projects is paid for by debt skim. Real estate, construction and mortgage lending are all based on upfront skim of the underlying debt. The United States economy has been non-productive far longer than most care to admit. Nixon and the Petrodollar noted the end of any recognizable productive activity in the US. The Petrodollar is the most recognizable face of the skim. Living in a western society means you are part of the skim. That “public relations” ,as discussed yesterday, has painted a noble face on consorting with the devil that in no way changes the reality of going along to get along.

    The larger your personal debt load, the greater your part of the skim. No matter that oxy is a noble man, the economy he lives within is bankrupt and depends on skim of debt. Why do you think over 500,000 human beings have been murdered in the last eighteen months? Without that skim you, i and everyone in western culture is a pauper.

    thank you for responding,
    cracker

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 1 2023 #140417
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    Dr D, on the immigration circumstance. Keep your friends close keep your enemies closer. The humans who would stand up and resist are being brought to the United States to prevent resistance to the wholesale rape of their nation of origin. Much cheaper to place the immigrants among a docile and passive population, who are already betrayed, than to have your bidness men shot on site on sight.

    to paraphrase Rodney Carrington, It has happened here once, a lot of times

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 1 2023 #140412
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    oxymoron the “Normies” know their entire world would collapse without their part of the skim. My friend where will the funds to support your promotion and gigs come from? The skim. Where did the funds to colonize Australia originate? The skim.

    What is happening in the U.S. Congress right now is perhaps the most cynical protection of the skim ever. The citizens of the United States have been informed about “missing funds”, expensive hammers and unaccounted for military equipment for decades. We know that our public servants, beggars mounted, insure corruption for their part of the skim. What little i have is my part of the skim. I know that i have been completely ineffective in my protests over the last fifty eight years. I am still breathing, that is all the proof needed.

    Do you think that someone who believes they need a $60,000.00 dollar automobile to drive two miles to purchase a $5.00 cup of coffee is going to renounce corruption or imperial colonialism? Still, it is better to light a single candle than to curse the darkness.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 31 2023 #140378
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    “…build parallel systems to preserve our privacy, civil liberties, autonomy, and dignity.”

    parallel systems – Good Grief

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 31 2023 #140367
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    out of left field
    Has anyone here seen the video of the metallic sphere captured by a Reaper over Irag? The idea is put forward that these objects are a global phenomena. Would anyone care to offer their hypothesis concerning these objects?

    my guess – due to quantum entanglement a wholesale nuclear conflagration would be a major spanner in the works and not just locally, the mad monkeys need to be monitored.

    Blinken leaves one with the impression that Rumsfield was an intellectual giant

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 31 2023 #140366
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    it is very comfortable and popular to believe that propaganda came into being in the twentieth century.
    where is Goebbels mentioned in the linked video?
    Bernays is more commonly referred to as the father of public relations. Of course public relations is the polite means to mention propaganda.
    Has no one read The Prince?
    None of the bloody intrigue that is the history of western Europe was influenced by propaganda?
    The Children’s Crusade was complete nobility and honesty?

    the bitchute film is propaganda, though the last word in the video is good advice

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 30 2023 #140320
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    this thought is recurrent. A media publication must have been publishing something someone wanted to see, read or believed for them to have had any faith in journalism in the United States. Samuel Clemens made enough remarks about the press including “The news of my death has been greatly exaggerated” to dispel faith in the press to some degree. When writing The Medium is the Massage and earlier Understanding Media(1964) McCluhan was no less clairvoyant than Orwell.
    ” All media exist to invest our lives with artificial perceptions and arbitrary values.” Marshall McLuhan
    kinda like the “observation problem” in quantum mechanics

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 30 2023 #140287
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    Know the White,
    but keep the Black! Lao Tzu

    friends, do you so readily abandon hope?

    what importance is there in declaring – SNAFU, or, oh no dear sir it is FUBAR, or, well it is apparent why you are both in the ditch – ?

    are you concerned because it is your dreams being demolished or the dreams of your neighbor?
    “it tolls for thee” Donne

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 29 2023 #140186
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    “For centuries the Western world formed around one simple and terrifying thought: that they are exceptional because they are strong,” – “They have no need to justify anything, they must simply reap the benefits of aggressive exploitation of the planet. That is their collective reasoning.” Zakharova

    who is winning the media war? Hearts and Minds?
    Coalition of the Willing – remember that gem?
    Looking at things from a certain frame of reference the schismatics and heretics are the western Christian denominations. Flip Wilson had it right years ago, “The devil made me do it”.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 27 2023 #139999
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    Secret Track 1.5″:

    “it was apparent that the greatest issue was that the Russians were unable to articulate what exactly they wanted and needed.”

    The United States has articulated what they want – EVERYTHING on the planet.

    Now tell me who is confused. Then tell me why RF would want to articulate anything to “former senior U.S. national security officials”? Are not ” former senior U.S. national security officials” the group who formulated the Ukraine fiasco? Oh to be irreplaceable and indespensible and believe everyone but you is a backward moron. Well at least they have the chops for the perspective, ” former senior U.S. national security officials” are backwards morons. i guess ” former senior U.S. national security officials” did not hear about the proposals for mutual security in December 2021 or either of the Minsk Accords.

    and MacGregor is advertising for increased military budgets. That MF did not give an aerial fornication about anyone in Iraq or Yugoslavia. i think what we have here is situational unawareness. As the wiki says, he has unconvential military strategy. Perhaps that is an understatement. The Dems turned down his appointment as ambassador to Germany, maybe that is what is driving his bus.

    as ole Dandy Don Meredith used to intone “Turn out the lights the party’s over”

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 26 2023 #139901
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    Western Culture is mired in the sixteenth century and everyone who is anyone is joyfully and righteously constrained by the Enlightenment.
    Western minds are not stupid they are trained. Want to see many western humans go Pavlov’s Dog? Say “This is an exclusive one time offer that has the potential for extremely high profitability, get in on the ground floor”. Watch the salivating start.

    300,000 humans sacrificed to Mammon and people are pissed off about Twitter. The cold blooded murder at Nagasaki, the Cold War with Mackinder then the Grand Chessboard, the constant dunn of hate toward anyone even suggesting that Might does not make Right are deemed to be a sign of sophistication. The jokes about the Poles being dumb told by humans that believe they are indispensible and have a manifest destiny to rule the globe.

    best not to even start in on the deference to authority: “Just a few words so our audience will be sufficiently bamboozled”. “Well Billy Bob I have more letters after my name than a transexual wearing a rainbow tutu, combat boots and a MAGA cap”. “It is well known you are an expert in your field”. “That is correct William Robert I am a has been drip under pressure”! ” I am sure our audience appreciates that”.

    “I believe that there will be ultimately be a clash between the oppressed and those who do the oppressing. I believe that there will be a clash between those who want freedom, justice and equality for everyone and those who want to continue the system of exploitation. I believe that there will be that kind of clash, but I don’t think it will be based on the color of the skin.” ~ Malcolm X

    How much time have MacGregor or Ritter spent in Ukraine at the front in the last six months? Why are they still talking? It’s an inside job. Their talk is profitable, has no value, it is profitable. “better job with higher wages expenses paid and a car, but I’m on TV here locally, I can’t quit I’m a star” Roger Miller

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 25 2023 #139800
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    aspnaz do you adhere to the belief that the natural selection process is Survival of the Fittest?

    all of the information gathered about the microbiome in recent years appears to contradict this view. Symbiotic cooperation within a network of micro organisms and flora is gaining recognition. Evidence within the fauna has all but destroyed Dawkins notion of The Selfish Gene. The Verse progressed for some period of time before our solar system came into being. All of this by taking the least, a hydrogen atom, and using fusion to synthesize complexity. The least is lifted up to become the most complex.

    and yet there are those who believe that the earth is and should be an English garden and that Survival of the Fittest and destruction of the biome are the proper path for humanity to take. Among this group are those who see preying on their least capable fellow as noble. This group is the greatest proselytizer of violence on our planet and offer material possesion as the holy grail.

    as you note, “Can’t fix stupid”

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 24 2023 #139694
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    “”they’re all psychotic, and lost in violent delusions no one can break them from.

    When I say they’re delusional and mentally ill I’m not being hyperbolic or metaphorical.

    It will be greatly entertaining, since it’s all fake, all a show, and nobody has the slightest interest in the truth.

    They think the world is made of fluffy cotton candy in infinite amounts if we click our heels and tell it to exist.

    BTW it’s not peaked yet. People are still acting MORE insane in their daily lives than I’ve ever seen.
    Broad-based, internal, therefore expressing in every thought and action they take.”

    and every single one of “they, them, those” were told by one of them “capitalists” that a service economy was the golden path to the future. “The renaissance man is dead” is how George Will phrased it, “we have reached the age of specialization”. Modern monetary policy indicates that a nations productive capacity can be reduced to zero, have no marketable exports and expand comfortably at 2.5% per annum indefinitly. Wasn’t it the communists and their planned economy that started shutting down United States manufacturing capability and borrowing to finance manufacturing in Bangladesh, Southeast Asia and China? I’m sure it was the Soviet Style economists that derailed all sense of mark to market, that allowed corporations to borrow based on the value of manufacturing plants that were idled. I’m sure it was those scheming Chinese who put laws through the US congress to allow the mingling of funds between private and commercial banking. You know the opening of the casino and the explosion of derivatives markets.

    “It will be greatly entertaining, since it’s all fake, all a show, and nobody has the slightest interest in the truth.” – D
    D, bro do you have any context for the following? “and their hearts were hardened” Are you counting on a second passover? “…..nobody has the slightest interest in the truth.” Fair enough.
    Hope you understand that i love my fellow citizens, don’t like the culture a tinker’s damn worth, and i do not hold them in contempt. I understand that from the moment that tax dollars were supplied to the televison industry to provide “Public Service Information” the citizens of my nation have been encouraged to look to television to find accurate information about the worlds movement into the future. I have in my personal live been lied to and betrayed and i struggle to achieve empathy and compassion for every human being that finds themself in similar circumstance.
    Just how many words does it take to say “black is black”?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 23 2023 #139606
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    how does Zelensky differ from Pahlavi? Noriega? Sadam Hussein?
    what is different this time from all of the earlier obscenities? cell phones with an IP address. Instead of two lies now there is a plethora of “according to experts”.

    do you remember William Laws Calley Jr.? Do you remember the path of his incarceration and ultimate absolution? No i didn’t think so, after all it was pre-Obama.

    Do you remember there were no investigations into Unlawful Orders either at the Pentagon or in The Congress concerning the execution of the rape of Southeast Asia? Do you remember Agent Orange? Do you remember how the State used the press to set up video scenes of young people spitting on US troops returning from Southeast Asia? Do you remember how the war mongers tied patriotism to glorification of the War in Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos. Remember “Might makes Right”? I didn’t think so. being All meritocracy and all.

    Do you realize many of the voices we hear, shrilly decrying the current state of affairs with an errant sense of deja vue, are the ones who cried out about the Vietnam War. Yes they cried out about the brutality of the War and then copped the plea and waded chin deep into the cesspool. Do you remember the final scenes from the movie The Magic Christian (1969)? This group of traitors to themselves and humanity are now outraged once again about the state of affairs, the Social Security allotment no longer covers the spread. Remember “Kill a Commie for Christ”?
    Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon -Four Dead in Ohio, Spiro Agnew – Walter Cronkite. Let’s face it, the movie The Matrix is not how my generation played it. We all woke up the next morning and went back to work. Morpheus? never heard of him.

    That ain’t news pawdna that’s history:
    ““• Lockheed Martin Predicts Strong Profits as Global Instability Rises (LI) “

    What it’s about except it’s really about banking. Markets. Price-fixing.

    Soviet Socialist Centralization always price-fixes. That’s a key feature of “Not-Capitalism”. Without it, Capitalism would return and they would collapse. They couldn’t survive 30 minutes in a meritocracy.”

    “Capitalism would return”…. that’s some serious hopium there. Have you ever heard of intellectual property or proprietary information? Value discovery is an intrinsic component of trade. All trade is an exchange of value. The expansion of exchange is a market. Capitalism is a tool, a crescent wrench at best. There can be no price discovery without value discovery preceeding. There has been no Capitalism in westen economies in my life. Do you remember the Anti-Trust fervor that produced the Baby Bells? That a large percentage of US citizens my age actively participated in the destruction of exchange of value in blind pursuit of self interest is a fact. Greed is Good!!!!! Faux moral outrage is nauseating. Looks like hell to be Asleep and Woke at the same time. Do i hear Judy Collins singing “Both Sides Now”? “…it’s clouds illusions I recall, I really don’t know clouds at all…”

    As ole Sinclair and Frank noted “It Can’t Happen Here” 1935,1966

    It’ not Shake and Bake it’s Hell and I helped.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 22 2023 #139551
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    aspnaz – “If the rat turns round and bites, you will regret not killing it earlier.”

    Rope a Dope, let a sucker punch themself out. Erdogan has the only viable armed forces. NATO might win but do they want to pay the price of admission considering the value of the purse?

    One must consider how a nation with $32 trillion in unsecured debt will secure financing to rebuild after victory. Turkey is broke. Full faith and credit after the destruction of central Europe and northern Eurasia? The non-western world is going to foot the bill for rearming the west so they can watch the blood thirsty savages do it again?

    Wear high top boots. Chase the rat around the room to exhaustion. Have your way.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 21 2023 #139512
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    Well, it’s got to be worse than we know when things get this shrill. Some people really sweatin fallin off the gravy train.

    Fauci, EcoHealth Alliance and Baric are patsies. Oh but the bread crumbs lead to Wuhan. Yep.
    Millions in funding i tells ya, millions in funding

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 20 2023 #139444
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    The U.S. Defense Department has a budget of $816,700,000,000
    The current hot topic investigations into influence peddling alledge $17,300,000
    The 17.3 is 0.000021 percent of the Department of Defense Budget
    The US Department of State 2023 budget is $60.4 billion
    The US Department of Agriculture 2023 budget is $31.1 billion
    The 17.3 is 000019 percent of the total budgets of the above listed agencies. ($908.2 billion)

    The entire “Lap Top Adventure” inferring $17.3 million dollars of skim is the destruction of The Republic is perhaps the most cynical of the political deceipt run amok within The United States of America at this time. One party is crucifying Mr. Trump in an attempt to cover their wickedness and the other party is crucifying the Truth to cover their wickedness.

    Not a single US citizen outside of the Beltway hierarchy has any idea of the intent, purpose or prosecution of the corporate written laws and regulations and lobby money paid for actions of the US federal agencies. Those who view the debacle from outside the borders of the United States are even less informed.

    Amazing as it is, the humans who have no idea at all what is actually being done know exactly the solution to the dilemna. Even more dumbfounding is the realization that among these humans some know of another human who has the same amount of knowledge of the inside as they and have convinced themself That person is the ONE to solve the problems at hand.

    and even more nauseating are those that write tomes decrying the rape of the social contract and then offer a means to profit from the wholesale prostitution involved

    “What a piece of work is man….” decorum demands i leave it there

    what exactly is plausibly being denied in all of the disasters at hand? The little bastard from Independence relinquished foreign and domestic policy to a non Article III federal (no checks, no tricameral balance) agency with the signing of the 1947 National Security Act? have you read about President Allen Dulles?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 19 2023 #139377
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    Red, from the moment Gutenberg offered printing as a commercial enterprise there has been no free open fair press. The idea that there has been a press in service to the citizens is a fallacy created by those who own the presses.

    When one has been knocked to the ground with sufficient force to need and ask for assistance in regaining a standing position the ground has been prepared for “A more rational course”.

    Invictus
    ” Out of the night that covers me,
    Black as the pit from pole to pole,
    I thank whatever gods may be
    For my unconquerable soul.

    In the fell clutch of circumstance
    I have not winced nor cried aloud.
    Under the bludgeonings of chance
    My head is bloody, but unbowed.

    Beyond this place of wrath and tears
    Looms but the Horror of the shade,
    And yet the menace of the years
    Finds and shall find me unafraid.

    It matters not how strait the gate,
    How charged with punishments the scroll,
    I am the master of my fate,
    I am the captain of my soul.” Henley
    Do you know anyone who lives these words outside the fantasy they have created for themself?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 19 2023 #139373
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    Red,
    truth in advertising first. i consume Jesus koolaid by the drum not the glass.

    there was a time when there were words “writ in red” in the Gospels, everything aside from these passages are commentary. Western minds have been taught that a political, economic, socio hierarchy is the Church. In the United States ALL text books for primary education come from the same source. The rubric for elementary mathematics has been changed so frequently that those charged with teaching math no longer have any insight into a millenia old process. A member of my family is an elementary school teacher. The main purpose of our education process has become enforcing obeisance to heirarchy. This is not news, this is history.

    we have arrived at a point in time where those who were taught an attitude of deference or homage to authority are now “authority”. from the article you posted “A more rational course, it seems to me, would be to find out what the economic outlook is likely to be, and start to prepare the public accordingly.” Do you think that those who accepted Reaganomics or Thatcherism and were the authority figures at the time have attempted to prepare any citizen for “A more rational course”?

    do you remember when David Rockefeller stated “there is more oil now than there has ever been” and everyone in authority agreed? Do you remember when those in authority positions applauded Mr. Reagan for removing the the solar collectors from the grounds of the White House? Both of these men and their statements and actions were deemed to be “A more rational course”.

    How do you say to the citizens of the United States “ninety percent of everything you have been taught is a lie”? Do you think that any pharmacist, nurse, doctor, medical system administrator or public employee who went along with poisoning their fellow man to maintain their position of authority has the insight to “to find out what the economic outlook is likely to be”?

    i live in nothwest Florida. In the years since the coup in Ukraine a sufficient number of human beings have been murdered to depopulate northwest Florida from Bay County through Escambia County. How do you prepare citizens who do not understand “and then they came for me”?

    the citizens of the United States as a group, five years to either side of my station, make teats on a boar hog appear utilitarian. This is a group of people who still see the atomic structure of a hydrogen atom in terms of the tinker toy models they encountered in elementary school in the 1950s. “A more rational course”. Give me a rest.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 17 2023 #139238
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    bears repeating

    ““This crisis demonstrates the inability of Westerners to think and act according to facts, rather than expectations……..”

    bares a reality few western persons will dare accept – there is mystery. The Big Bang hypothesis first codified by Georges Lemaître is four years short of a century. The famous hypothesis has more patches than an inner tube in a bald tire on a poor kids bicycle. Although they are unaware of the fact, most western minds who have reached my station in life still believe in a cosmological constant engendering a steady state. How about this, how to understand time dilation in this verse expanding at the speed of light. Wanna see the deer in the head lights stare? Ask someone my age, 72, about gravitational lensing in relation to the path of a photon. Just for grins ask what discovery is credited to Penzias and Wilson and in what year.
    Well, i don’t know but it is probably a threat to our national security.

    “…..the inability of Westerners to think and act according to facts…..” or hypothesis

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 15 2023 #139095
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    Mike Pence, “That’s not my concern.”

    alas so much concern for the general welfare.
    now, tell me how dumb our current vice president is
    even better tell me how dumb i am

    guess we need a moral majority, i know let’s have a Tea Party and exclude the nattering nabobs of negativism.

    Where is Huey Long when you need him? Oh I remember, he was consumed by the general welfare.
    “a chicken in every pot and every man a king” – Kingfish

    just no good at being nice, Dominus vobiscum

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 13 2023 #138940
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    per the immigration saga

    are you outraged about the influx of person’s on the southern border of the United States? You need only to keep one policy in mind – The Monroe Doctrine. That’s right our own pool of humanity to be ruthlessly exploited.

    can you hear Sam Cooke singing?
    “Baby, bring it to me
    Bring your sweet loving
    Bring it on home to me
    Yeah (Yeah), yeah (Yeah), yeah (Yeah)”

    and remember that’s your tax dollars at work – The United Fruit Company – kill a Sandinista for Chiquita

    Dr. D doesn’t know where to start. es verdad! A Person or Nation’s welfare is not a government program, sir egocentric sphincter. It is a state of being. Dr. D hit it out of the park!!!!! uhh, it’s a T-Ball field.
    The idea of Welfare was ridiculed not just the programs. Do a day’s commentary on the homeless and then lecture about the general welfare. FDR noted “nothing happens by accident”. some exceptions apply

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 13 2023 #138935
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    No it’s not all energy. Trying to measure the quantum process using the Standard Model, including Relativity and Special Relativity, is carrying coal to Newcastle.

    Information not energy is the foundation.

    The BBC naming another party as a liar is rich.

    for all you Republicans of high moral certainty, rememember all of the hyperbole about welfare destroying the nation?
    “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare,……”
    promote the general Welfare,…..” I guess the people set out to destroy the nation at the outset – MAGA

    Musk is wealthy because he creates more debt than anyone in his league. How wealth are you?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 12 #138889
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    twenty years of hammer and skilsaw in the company of humane beings – the best

    twenty minutes among those who “rip you of with a smile and it don’t take a gun-(Van Morrison)” – purgatory. Hope for salvation was always present.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 12 #138888
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    Navigate to Moon of Alabama this morning and view the images.

    In plain view the culmination of the Enlightenment and
    a view of personal enlightenment

    Bush: “The American lifestyle is non-negotiable”

    How many here have the same feeling shown on The Face of Ukraine? Though to be fair Zelensky only murdered about 400,000 and we slaved away our lives to pay for the murder of millions. The similarity is that The Oh So Enlightened Ones have walked away from both. “Good job Brownie” or perhaps Albright – ‘We Think The Price Is Worth It,’

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 11 2023 #138827
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    Dear Doctor of Denial, Succintness has it’s charms, unless you are engaged in propaganda. Then say it, whatever it might be, 365 days in a row with as many words as possible.

    The entire regimen of tax cutting starting with Raygun has a singular purpose, to free up disposable income and direct it to compound interest payments. There is no way taxes could have ever have financed our Global War OF Terror.
    The compound interest on the financing for that self-storage warehouse where we store those useless signs of our affluence we pay compound interest on our credit cards for?
    That closet full of clothes and shoes we never wear that are still being paid for,
    That vacation, that jet ski, that boat, that ATV, that travel trailer, those RVs – simple to luxurious -, that high end automobile your teenager drives so everyone can see our affluence, the debt incurred by the corporation where you have employment, the debt carried by every town, city, county and state?
    Compound interest!
    Starting with our Iran-Contra affair and moving to our debacle in Ukraine,
    every child starved, maimed and murdered along our affluent path has been the victim of compound interest.

    “”Kill! Kill! Kill! Kill!” and the sergeant came over, pinned a medal on me
    Sent me down the hall, said “You’re our boy”. Arlo Guthrie – Alice’s Restaurant – 1997
    or
    Three Cheers for Grover Norquist – “You’re our boy”
    Do you still use Facebook? The platform longest involved in pimping your daughter out for compound interest. “You’re our boy” It’s so convenient!

    And finally – The TRUE people of the Book have no part in this – looking at you CelticBiker. “None so blind as those who WILL not see”

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 10 2023 #138748
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    feeling a little verbose this morning i beg your forebearance

    Do you ever wonder if anyone has read Billy Budd and synthesized the truth illustrated into their being?

    EoinW, do you equate compassion with weakness?

    The Special Specialist’s Specialist – One among The World’s Smartest Man that perceives themself removed from and above the selection process who upon closer examination is revealed to be a graduate of the Peter Principle.

    When it is realized that you are among “The least of these” it becomes much easier to “Love your neighbor as yourself”.
    Yes, yes, a sure sign of weakness. Beware! Empathy is the gateway narcotic that leads to compassion.

    mea culpa: i work to be nice, i’m just no good at it

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 10 2023 #138744
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    Red, those of us here who have been watching the videos of inter-species cooperation understand Dawkins “Selfish Gene” is at best navel gazing and not investigation or measurement.
    “It’s not what you look at that matters, it’s what you see.” Thoreau
    “Every oak tree started out as a couple of nuts who stood their ground.” Thoreau

    Peace be with you all
    cracker

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 10 2023 #138742
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    Consider a spring driven mechanical timepiece. Each component has it’s own physical property, the parts are not equivalent. The position of the components in space differs.The function of the device depends on each component properly in place to function. Though not equivalent Each component is equal in terms of the function of the device.

    on a number line -1 and 1 are equal in distance from zero, in function -1 and 1 do not have the same properties – the numbers are not equivalent

    Astrophyicists tell us there is not a center to the Verse(universe in the standard model). This of course is not accurate, i personally know several centers of the Verse. “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal…..” Equality does not imply equivalence. Vanity, excessively high self esteem, does not imply superiority. The previous sentence of course does not apply to Western Culture where vanity and superiorty are equal and equivalent.

    The Enlightenment is placed in the 17th and 18th centuries in western Europe,
    The Spanish Inquistion:
    Established:1 November 1478
    Disbanded:15 July 1834
    and the “Oh So Enlightened Ones” see no connection between the two. A less than humorous interpretation – Never give a sucker an even break!

    What type of man penned the United States Declaration of Independence?
    A man who knew the recitation of the Qur’an and the Good News of the Gospel.

    “Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever: that considering numbers, nature and natural means only, a revolution of the wheel of fortune, an exchange of situation, is among possible events: that it may become probable by supernatural interference!

    I remain unenlightened

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