Debt Rattle February 17 2023
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February 17, 2023 at 9:45 am #129262Raúl Ilargi MeijerKeymaster
Tomb of the diver, Paestum c480 BCE • Seymour Hersh Calls Pipeline Sabotage ‘Dumbest’ US Act In Years (RT) • The US Destroyed the Nord Stream P
[See the full post at: Debt Rattle February 17 2023]February 17, 2023 at 10:59 am #129263AfewknowthetruthParticipantAnother day of obfuscation and lies from The Empire of Lies.
Meanwhile, Airstrip Five has lost between 1/4 and 1/3 of its crops for export and an unknown portion of its animal stock…probably around 5%. The regions devasted -from Northland right through to Hawkes Bay- were also major beekeeping regions, so we must anticipate shortages of honey and other bee-related products. We won’t know the full extent of the damage because there is little communication, due to there being no electricity in many districts.
Whilst food prices on Airstrip Five are expected to surge even more than they have already, removing a substantial portion of the food supply from international markets is likely to have enormous repercussions, from higher prices to there being absolutely no product being available at all.
At the moment, the only things that work in Napier are things that have internal combustion engines or run on bottled natural gas.
“It’s a war zone,’ said one interviewee.
Yes. But what the commenter failed to understand is that the war is between the government (managers of the Airstrip) and the people of airstrip Five. It’s been that way from the beginning. But in the past it was possible to get ahead. So the people could take the punishment, knowing that they could improve their lot a little. Now even that is gone and everyone gets dragged down, other than the well-connected 1%, who profit from everyone else’s misfortune.
It’s much the same on Airstrip Two, of course, where the managers put into positions of power by Big Brother have absolutely no interest in the welfare of the populace or in protecting the environment or wildlife.
“Doctor, the patient seems to be dying from loss of blood.”
“Apply more leeches.”
February 17, 2023 at 11:12 am #129264anticlimacticParticipantUkraine
It seems like the US wants to wrap up the war in a few months time, hoping Ukraine can make some gains so that they can negotiate with Russia from strength. Sounds like desperation.
Russia talks about the conflict lasting another year or two!
– Russia is draining the West of arms and ammunition – seems like a good idea to keep it going.
– The sanctions are harming the West more than Russia so rub their faces in it.
– After the revelations about Minsk II the idea of any negotiated settlement is really a non-starter.For over 8 years NATO has been training Ukrainian troops and giving them arms and ammunition. In addition over the past year the West has spent over 100 billion dollars of aid for Ukraine.
After just 12 months almost ALL of this is gone! What will NATO countries look like after another two years? I don’t see that Russia has any choice but to conquer the whole of the Ukraine.
This would give Russia the opportunity to seize foreign owned land, property and businesses in compensation for stolen assets.
Then comes the trials for war crimes. I am sure that many will flee to the West, but this also helps to clean up Ukraine.
It was interesting to read that Ukraine has so many resources it should be a wealthy country, but all this wealth has been sucked out by criminals. Potentially being conquered by Russia could be the best thing to happen to ordinary Ukrainians.
February 17, 2023 at 11:20 am #129265oxymoronParticipantYou know I may be a little reductionist in my perception of the Nord Stream thingy but I keep hearing a voice in my head say “Iron Bank – it was the Iron Bank”. All wars are bankers’ wars and I read Hersh and think to myself that here is a details guy and not a big picture guy. He is not a systems thinker. One of the reasons that Fabio Vighi resonates so much with me over the last 3 years is that he is rare (though not alone) in seeing the ‘burn it down’ insurance job going on. The BIS and the rest work for people who focus on the dynamics of accumulation. Not the even spread of wealth.
They don’t want the trees in the forest to soak up the water – they want to know they have all the water available in the catchment in their dam so theycut down the forestblow up the pipeline when the drought comes.The drought is now and part of why I am a little quiet of late is that I am grinding out 10 -12 hour days getting ready for 10 years of austerity. I firmly subscribe the the idea that the global population outside the .5% will be immiserated and I would like some comforts and also to be of use. I am useless if dependent, debt-ridden and hostage to the State/Corp.
February 17, 2023 at 11:24 am #129266Dr. DParticipantBing Chat explodes spectacularly like all Microsoft products. Failing never affects them though because they’re a government-supported monopoly. Failure: It’s What We Do.™ Most insecure operating system ever created.
But forgot to mention one of the prime reasons for this. As the Internet expands infinitely, Google can’t keep up even with all their servers. They’re already at the limit and using new tricks to run it every day. This is why the CEO said, “There is one answer to your question.” There is ONE answer to your question. Then they don’t have to search all the OTHER answers, just the one “you” want. Or in practice, the one answer THEY want.
But that’s not working as even with overwhelming censorship, each person clicks a different “answer” (i.e. site) on the search page. What we need to solve all three problems (the third being eternal censorship) is to find out what each user wants, then put THAT click in front of them, that is, whatever dumb s—t they’ll believe that also supports our censorship. And only an AI can do that. They give ONE answer. Present the one answer only YOU will want and believe.
Of course you COULD tell them the truth but that truth would say Google is Evil™, they are working to destroy you to help themselves, and are robbing you and making you more poor, miserable, and powerless every day. So that honest answer really won’t work.
But AI will. Imagine an AI – backed with your whole social media posting history – answering “Should I take the Vax?” To one person it says, “Yes, the Appeal to Authority Fallacy says you should.” Meanwhile, the next person gets “Although Covid isn’t at all dangerous (0.03%) and the vax doesn’t work (on Covid) nevertheless JFK Jr is alive and he told me that the vax is a double-secret inoculation against a FUTURE bioweapon China is planning to release in next month’s surprise attack, ordered by the lizard people. So definitely take the vax.”
And you can live your life where every word you’ve heard about reality is entirely different from what everybody else has heard and believes about reality. That’s obviously “seeking the truth” and “ending misinformation.”
So that’s why they’re on AI right now. One Answer™ Sure saves a lot of time! The answer? “Whatever dumb s–t I have to say to make you Do What You’re Told.”
Looks like they’ve got a Plan™ to stop the “died suddenly” problem: they’re going to “release” the new “mammal engineered” “gain of function” avian flu with a “60%” fatality rate. Or not, but there’s their story. Only kills those with a wildly reduced immune system.
Yay. I just. Can’t. wait. That’s Time for you: just one d—–d thing after another.
Ukraine kids: finishing Biden’s genocide. Ukraine ceases to exist right now. It’s like one of the Roman extinctions. I mean, “Ukraine” was never really that different than Russia, mostly fake, but I hope that matters.
“• Ukraine Conflict Will Likely Have No Military Winner – Milley (RT) “
Sure it will: China. Milley promised to call. Xi will say “Good Job Brownie”.
“Ammunition is very expensive.”
Only in America with 100x profit markups. It’s reasonable elsewhere. And actually U.S. ammunition is cheap in Ukraine. We should buy it off the black market there the way Russia does.
“Russia Has Lost ‘Strategically, Operationally And Tactically’ – Milley (G.) “
Losing = taking 1/5th of the country and 80% of the GDP. Can we lose now? We could really use it.
““It doesn’t really make sense to send tanks to Ukraine unless you send combat aircraft to give them cover.”
I have said this. It’s little known and thought of, but all these systems are part of a package, and all parts of the package must be working. Ammunition, parts. Air cover, surveillance. Soldiers, artillery. Rockets. Having any one piece is a “target” that makes you lose faster, not slower.
“AFU casualties are nearing 500,000 and are increasing at an unsustainable rate. On the other hand, reports of 100,000 Russian dead are almost certainly wild exaggerations”
So you, who we know are crooked and exaggerating, still tell US that Russia is beating you 5:1 on your home territory. Right.
“Unless the Crimean peninsula is at the very least “demilitarized” Ukraine won’t feel safe,”
Still after Crimea. In more plausible news, Nuland is working on that new Time Machine to put with her SkyHook and Perpetual Motion Machine.
Moscow had turned the peninsula into a military base,”
Yes. They did that under Catherine the Great. Use your Time Machine and go check. That’s why the USuk attacked it then in “The Charge of the Light Brigade.” Equally uselessly. Can we move Nuland into video games where having bizarre and lavish fantasies is a good thing?
“And I find it jaw-dropping that the EU is still not asking questions.”
Because the “EU”, that is, the WEF, approves and ordered it. There is no other explanation.
“Western ‘aid’ is killing Ukrainians by the thousands.”
Biden’s slavic genocide. You can think positively about it: like ISIS, it attracts all the Nazis and all the Crazies, the WEF supporters worldwide to be killed and removed from the face of the earth. How else can you identify them, get them in one place, and shoot them? Trials would take too long and be half as good.
“demonstrated America’s successful cowing of any public commentary on the event — across U.S. media but more so across all European media itself,”
The evil collaborators are all being identified and cut out. Look at CNN! They’re melting down with ratings lower than the Weather channel. NPD’s like Cuomo just said he’d kill himself (without their attention). Oh and kill everybody else at CNN too, presumably in a shooting spree. Nothing says “healthy and well adjusted” like that. Orange Man Bad.
““NATO Pacific” designed to challenge Chinese power”
The North Atlantic Pacific Treaty. Why not? They can’t win half a war, why not two? And isn’t that what the “Trilateral” was supposed to do? They no longer have the brains to recognize that Kissinger has the brains. Like monkeys with the typewriters.
“Starting in 2008, NATO has repeatedly declared its intention to someday allow Ukraine to become a member,”
Red Line for Moscow? That was literally forbidden in a signed treaty. “Moscow” didn’t just make it up.
Is Joe Biden real?
Well either is plausible, however, he changes from an 80 year old with dementia to a vigorous, well-spoken guy with no trouble walking about every other day. Kind of like how Hillary is 50 some days and 78 on others. I’m only telling you what’s recorded on camera, you figure out why.
I am overreacting to Ohio, but it’s the response that, If you’re not safe in rural Ohio in the heart of Amish country, where are you safe? And you’re not. Not in Baltimore, nor SF, rich and poor. Not in KY which has gone ’round the bend and crime rocketed until very suddenly people mostly steal from Home Depot, not pay. Well, that’s what happens when you Close the Collapse Gap, and life expectancy drop 10 years with non-stop corruption. Not like there was any place to hide in the FSU either. Well, it’s expected and necessary, so here we are.
Squid and octopus. Share almost no DNA with the rest of us. If intelligent alien life landed on earth, there it is. And it speaks with us every day, you can watch non-stop videos on it.
February 17, 2023 at 11:35 am #129267Dr. DParticipantI think Russia raised the 500,000 to occupy Ukraine as Lira says, yes. But differently. They are waiting for it to organically collapse and be legally REQUESTED to enter and keep order, and not have a violent, well-armed, failed state with reactors on their border.
They “took” the South, but that was a transfer via Minsk and referendum. Not ideal but plausibly legal. Sweeping in would make it a Russian vietnam and cause a “Pearl Harbor” and other problems (border with Poland). That can’t happen if Ukraine collapses and vacates itself, with Ze in Miami. If there’s no government until what government remains, even the EU can’t argue, PLEASE come in and take the place, restore order. Until then, no good.
Yes, the BIS and WEF other “large thinkers” look at the EE, world EIEO charts and backtrack to the financial implications, then add/murder the appropriate number of people. That’s only logical if you are, e.g. the Pentagon. I don’t have opinions about it, we have working plans and responses. And they know (all) other nations do too, e.g. China and food. So they don’t care about what MIGHT happen, SHOULD happen, only what China will ACTUALLY inevitably do.
However, having that approach they ironically insure the exact bad futures they predict instead of averting them. Anyone seen “Tomorrowland”?
February 17, 2023 at 12:21 pm #129268tbocParticipantThey, they, They,…..they too!
February 17, 2023 at 12:52 pm #129269boilingfrogParticipantKeep hearing the sucking sound as “private equity” takes over entities, sucks them dry of cash and a future, and leaves the drying shell to swing in the breeze.
Untold bankruptcies, often blamed on unions; Boeing cutting corners to kill hundreds (board of directors and major shareholders); CNN just ran a story on p.e. buying up ER doc practices and replacing costly docs with physician’s assistants; ad nauseum.
And now “the” train derailment. Slap on the wrist and continue the push to (1) cut crews and (2) lengthen trains. “Hot box” specialists cost too much money, dammit!
Take the money without the risk, without the liability.
Won’t go on forever and history shows us that with certainly.
And then it REALLY gets ugly
February 17, 2023 at 1:33 pm #129270wwoofbumParticipantAnthony Fauci…the Ancel Keys for the 21st century.
February 17, 2023 at 1:54 pm #129271February 17, 2023 at 1:57 pm #129272John DayParticipant@V.Arnold: There is a double banister up top, but the cutout is about 2 3/4 ft X 5 ft, so getting objects up and down is already quite restricted. Grabbing the cutout going down and climbing-the-ladder going up are pretty natural adaptations. A rail along the wall side would be the next addition.
February 17, 2023 at 2:43 pm #129273GermParticipantSarah Szanton is the Dean of the Johns Hopkins School of Nursing, and she is a fucking disgrace to her profession. The USA has clearly descended into some kind of anti-science medical fascism.
Good grief!
In Britain, France, Germany, Norway, Sweden, and Denmark, they don't have university mandates for the COVID-19 vaccine.
Then why do American universities, like Johns Hopkins, stick their heads in the sand and require three vaccines? pic.twitter.com/tQFcKQNowH
— Senator Rand Paul (@SenRandPaul) February 16, 2023
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February 17, 2023 at 2:45 pm #129274GermParticipantI find it jaw-dropping the complete lack of curiosity among EU elites as to who is reponsible for an act of sabotage against the infrastructure of an EU Member State and the livelihoods of our citizens. Where is the discussion? Where are the questions? #NordstreamSabotage https://t.co/wdTDWuEpD6 pic.twitter.com/24VxQ1B0an
— Clare Daly (@ClareDalyMEP) February 15, 2023
February 17, 2023 at 2:50 pm #129275OroborosParticipantChris Martenson gives a good Eulogy for German industry
National prosperity comes from an industrial base.
An industrial base comes from competitively cheap energy.
Period
No ifs, ands, or buts
Deutschtardland® ‘leaders’ are says they can ‘make up’ the short fall in cheap Russian pipeline gas by finding ‘new efficiencies’ and buying far more expensive LNG from the Empire of Lies®.
WTF, this officially renders Deutschtardland® industries permanently noncompetitive on the world stage for generations and thus the Morgenthau Plan finally becomes Reality.
Deutschtardland® devolves into an agricultural backwater of turnip farmers plowing the furrows with solar powered plows on the few sunny days that happen outside of winter.
This also renders Eurotardistan® to Theme Park Status (TPS) featuring the natives in colorful peasant costumes singing work songs when they’re not pulling turnips.
It’s A Small World After All
Sing along peasants in your ‘native’ language!!!
February 17, 2023 at 2:56 pm #129276phoenixvoiceParticipantI didn’t like Trump; I don’t like Trump. I don’t like his style. But.
I have come to respect Trump as president. He genuinely tried to do what he promised, accomplished some of it, worked towards much of it. I think he genuinely respects the office of President and respects the country. He loves the support of the people, the pageantry and the mythology behind it. He is lucid. He is not a warmonger. So, while I continue to disagree with much of his platform and messaging, I would consider supporting him as president in the future if I detested the alternatives, figuring that with Trump I would know what we would get and it is palatable.February 17, 2023 at 3:01 pm #129277GermParticipantLancet systematic review & meta-analysis (pub 2/16/23), including 12 studies w/ “severe disease” data, CONFIRMS natural immunity is MORE ROBUST & ENDURING in preventing C19 hospitalizations & deaths, vs. C19 death-vaxx :
https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736%2822%2902465-5
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February 17, 2023 at 3:23 pm #129278phoenixvoiceParticipant@ Germ
Ironically, the first funder for that Lancet study is The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.February 17, 2023 at 3:29 pm #129279GermParticipantA wonderful presentation by the heroine – Dr. Jessica Rose:
mRNA technology: Lessons and consequences
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February 17, 2023 at 3:37 pm #129280GermParticipantListen for two minutes from 6min 12 sec about the LNP’s in the rat juice above – you couldn’t make this shit up! Incredible.
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February 17, 2023 at 3:39 pm #129281jb-hbParticipantI was reading that article from yesterday “Wokeness” vs “Wokeism”: Soros and the Devil
It reminded me of my college NPD girlfriend, who, probably in what she thought of as a moment of interpersonal intimacy, explained how she would, for instance, in quiet secret rage, assume that if an object of hers was stolen because she had misplaced it because that’s what she would do.
SHE would steal, casually even, from people closest to her – family members, whoever – AND would harbor a secret vendetta against anyone no matter how close, on the basis of assuming they would do only what she would do. Not even ask, because she knows they must think and act like her.
It was a bit like someone pulling back a curtain in their house you thought was for a window to reveal a private abattoir.
This writer describes capitalism as first thinking of an abstract idea of an “identified person,” then brainwashing them with marketing, to exploit them… and the writer doesn’t seem to think of providing a product except perhaps as an afterthought, in terms of its importance in this chain of events.
Which of course fits perfectly with the current year Engelsean, Marcusean, Frankfurt Schoolean “theory” that anyone in “capitalism” is living in a lie, a Matrix Pod Of Capitalism in which nothing is real, therefore the person inside the pod is not a real person – extrapolated out to every sub-unit and sub-sub-unit of society. A version for environmentalism, gender, race, tv show franchises you like, etc.
HE would start with an abstract idea and then impose/manipulate, therefore he can ONLY imagine that capitalism would be something like that.
Uh, Marketing 101 tells you the FIRST thing you do is identify a need that you can fill for someone. Then you fill it. IE you DO STUFF. FOR PEOPLE. FOR people
“Today the social battleground is not only, as Marx envisaged, a struggle for the control over the means of production, it has become a social, even a spiritual struggle between capitalism and humanity”
Exactly. Current-year Marxism has gone into the Mystery Schools. Initiates are the only ones with access to reality. They access their own and YOUR reality – you do not. You are not an initiate.
It is a “spiritual struggle” in which the non initiates are stuck in Capitalism/The Matrix and initiates are the holy chosen ones. Whatever claim they had to a definition of “materialism” even remotely connected to physical reality is gone. They’re gone, man.
And they project THEMSELVES onto Capitalism. Dude could only IMAGINE capitalism as what he does. Think of an abstract thingy. Identify someone to manipulate. Isolate them, lie to them, indoctrinate them. Be the one to dictate their needs TO them. Uh, dude, that’s 180 degrees INVERTED Marketing 101.
February 17, 2023 at 3:43 pm #129282zerosumParticipantSelected
hearingMemories
Peoples memories are way too short or they are just a paid shill
Denial————
Could it be that many Ukrainians feel cheated?
2014
After all, Volodymyr Zelensky had promised them peace with Russia during the 2019 election campaign.
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Why do the global masses continually swallow the lies from their governments?That’ll teach them for believing a politicians lies.
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• Seymour Hersh Calls Pipeline Sabotage ‘Dumbest’ US Act In Years (RT)————
Act of War in the Baltic Sea has yet to offer an explanation to the American public or reach out to Russian President Vladimir Putin – but what possible explanation could be offered when the Biden co-conspirators, millions of Americans and Putin’s Security Council all know the truth
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Feed the military or feed the people
Ammunition is very expensive.” The Pentagon’s current annual budget stands at $817 billion, exceeding the combined total for the rest of the world’s ten largest military spenders combined. Washington has already allocated more than $110 billion in aid for Ukraine since Russia’s military operation began last February.
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• The Horrifying Endgame in Ukraine (Rickards)
Russia is actually winning the war.
———–Crimea voted to rejoin Russia in March 2014, after the violent coup in Kiev that Nuland helped “midwife,” according to the infamous phone call intercept.
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How lovely is this Vicki Nuland. They give weapons, ammunition, target coordinates, they tell Ukraine to shoot, we support it. And right there, from all the electrical outlets, they declare that the United States is not embroiled in a conflict.
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• Beijing Challenges Western Press On Nord Stream Blasts (RT)“What we see now, however, is that these media, hailed as free, professional and impartial, have fallen silent over Seymour Hersh’s detailed report.”
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the US and Norway executed the Nord Stream gas explosion. And I find it jaw-dropping that the EU is still not asking questions.”
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Western ‘aid’ is killing Ukrainians by the thousands and destroying everything.
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Did you forget?
Statements from former German chancellor Angela Merkel and former French president Francois Hollande have revealed that the 2014 and 2015 Minsk (peace) Agreements were signed only in order to arm Ukraine and buy it time before a full on military confrontation with Russia. In other words, waging war with Russia by proxy through Ukraine has been a meticulously planned strategy, long in the making.“The deal outlined moves to declare a ceasefire, withdraw weapons, declare amnesty, restore economic ties and conduct constitutional reform in Ukraine..”
• Russia Acted Out Of Necessity To Implement Minsk Accords – Kremlin (TASS)
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February 17, 2023 at 4:06 pm #129283Armenio PereiraParticipantThe Everlasting Dissatisfaction – aka God in Western Civ – created us to have some comic relief from the ordeal of eternity.
We shall not disappoint.February 17, 2023 at 4:18 pm #129284phoenixvoiceParticipantA few days ago I commented that “the people” are not stupid, and when “the masses” realize what has gone on that many will turn to legal apparatus to deal with it, rather than violence. There were some here that suggested that, no, violence was the answer.
I urge you to reconsider.
Although it certainly is technically “violence” to inject someone against their will with a poisonous substance, and although there was a level of coercion involved, for most of us it was not a life-or-death issue, nor an issue of physical pain whether or not to do it. The closest to that was economic pressure – the possibility of loss of livelihood, leading to loss of home, sustenance, etc. This sort of coercion has long been a topic of discussion on the left – they call it “structural violence.” For many of us (me included) the pressure to get vaccinated was purely social.
This is from structuralviolence.org:
Structural violence refers to systematic ways in which social structures harm or otherwise disadvantage individuals. Structural violence is subtle, often invisible, and often has no one specific person who can (or will) be held responsible (in contrast to behavioral violence).It has seemed to me that the term “structural violence” was coined in order to raise the magnitude of concern about the harm that is created when a dominant, empowered group persecutes a less-powerful group. The persecution does not meet the threshold of what we usually term violence, however, it creates actualized hardship.
It is true that violence must often be met with violence, in order to stop the perpetrator. But it depends upon the situation. It is, truly, situational.
One of my sons has various psychological diagnoses. When he was young and became acutely anxious, he would physically lash out at others. It was impossible for his similar-age siblings and peers to handle him. Hitting him did not improve the situation – because anxiety was at the root of the behavior. (Violence is usually used to instill fear, which is expected to inhibit. In this particular son of mine, fear is a catalyst.) Instead, he had to be contained by a power greater than his, until he calmed down, and then, over time, he had to be taught different ways of dealing with his anxiety, taught that lashing out physically was not, ultimately, in his own best interest.
There is an aphorism: “violence begets violence.”
When the problem is “structural violence” – (which isn’t quite violence at all, the vernacular use of the word “violence” being literally “behavioral violence”) – and we “up the ante” by responding to “structural violence” with “behavioral violence” – one of two things tends to occur: (1) a violent cycle ensues, where men (predominantly) go beserk and keep using violent means to enact vengeance upon one another, often in increasing ways, or (2) a greater power squashes the violence (often violently, or with threat of greater violence), containing it, and the original perpetrators of “behavioral” violence are seen as social pariahs.
One of the reasons for the US Constitution is to prevent violent cycles. Jefferson urged revolution – but he urged that it be done by means of the Constitution. I am aware that government, generally, can’t be trusted very far – I grew up in a strongly conservative home; as a teen I was muttering, “Yeah, the money ‘trickles-down,’ but it FLOWS up.” I do not see our current age as so very different in government corruption than prior ages. There was government corruption in the 1800s. I read Upton Sinclair’s The Jungle recently – what an eye-opener were his character’s view of the political machines in 1906 Chicago! (And it was both sides!) Are our politics more corrupt? I am skeptical. Sure, the tactics are a little different; the technology is more advanced.
The US federal government is way too large. I have heard Republicans going to Washington talk about shrinking the size of the federal government since I was a teen. Never happened – it keeps becoming more and more gargantuan! Right now, I think that the answer is economic collapse – that can potentially truly shrink the size of the federal government. Maybe in the current and coming depression in the US we can look to states and local governments and entities to help us get out of it, rather than the federal government, because relying on the federal government during the last go-round (1930s) gave way too much power to the feds.
The framers of the Constitution gave the inheritors and inhabitants of the US a document that we could use to convert anger and frustration into cool-headed democratic compromise rather than into a cycle of violence or the need to rely on a corrupt, self-serving “strong-man” to stop the violence. With the level of division and anger in the US, there is likely to be some level of violence in the future. That isn’t the point. Our goals are potentially achievable in great measure by cool-headed agreements, not by cycles of violence nor by threat of violence. (By “violence” here I mean the behavioral type, not the structural type.)
I enjoy reading Orson Scott Card’s science fiction novels. He has written several in the same world as Ender’s Game, imagining the earth in the aftermath. In one of these novels one of the Battle School grads, a young woman from India, becomes a “goddess” to the people of India. Essentially, she is a populist leader who is beloved by the people for leading them to victory against an enemy that had occupied India. Because of “the nets” all in India are able to hear her words, the people of India follow her voluntarily, of their own free will, with no overt coercion. When the former elected leader of India returns from exile, expecting to return to some level of power in India, this “goddess” takes to the nets and tells the people of India to ignore the former leader that sold out India to the invader. Subsequently, the former leader finds that no one in India will sell him anything, give him anything, give him a place to sleep or anything to eat, no matter what price he is willing to pay. Ultimately, he turns to foreigners present on Indian soil to get something to eat, a change of clothes, a place to sleep, and soon leaves India.
February 17, 2023 at 4:25 pm #129285GermParticipantHow did this appear in the US National Library of Medicine?
Oops!The pharmaceutical industry is dangerous to health. Further proof with COVID-19
“Since the beginning of COVID-19, we can list the following methods of information manipulation which have been used: falsified clinical trials and inaccessible data; fake or conflict-of-interest studies; concealment of vaccines’ short-term side effects and total lack of knowledge of the long-term effects of COVID-19 vaccination; doubtful composition of vaccines; inadequate testing methods; governments and international organizations under conflicts of interest; bribed physicians; the denigration of renowned scientists; the banning of all alternative effective treatments; unscientific and liberticidal social methods; government use of behavior modification and social engineering techniques to impose confinements, masks, and vaccine acceptance; scientific censorship by the media.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9610448/
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February 17, 2023 at 4:43 pm #129286zerosumParticipantThey know the truth about Ukraine War.
The 59th Munich Security Conference will be held over Feb. 17-19, with several global leaders attending, including U.S. Vice President Kamala Harris.February 17, 2023 at 4:55 pm #129287my parents said knowParticipantFive days ago I blew up a cheap (Chinese) “water” balloon and rubbed on the ceiling where it is still stuck, though considerably deflated. I wonder what it’s relaying to the home country. I have no intentions of shooting it down.
Manuka honey is close to magical in its antibiotic properties. I guess I am now glad I bought a bunch a few months ago.
I hope no fire ants were harmed in that artistic endeavor.
I emailed CSPAN yesterday, chastising them for not covering the Ohio train disaster. They covered it today- a short segment with very few callers (one, “from the industry” was cut off). The “expert” did what such experts do: blathered on and on to waste time. At least a larger audience now knows about it.
The “Children’s Crusade” in 1212 didn’t go very well.
February 17, 2023 at 5:10 pm #129288jb-hbParticipantPhoenixvoice – your description of crossing the line between structural and behavioral violence makes me think of Dune — and I’m just thinking aloud here, we probably have somewhat similar notions
Going to the Landstraad instead of launching all out war – despite knowing that you are in an all out struggle for survival – because “the forms must be followed”
Idunno if I could say Russia are definitely the good guys or not, but I can say they spent years following the correct forms. The things Putin has ACTUALLY said in public, the diplomatic steps Russia has taken over the years.
Say he’s a dictator, say Russia is the new 30’s/40’s Germany. Okay, but they still successfully, by following all the proper forms, backed the NATO countries into adopting a particular type of persona, identity, etc that is highly disadvantageous. They SHOULD have been able to ACTUALLY maneuver themselves into being On The Right Side Of History as opposed to screeching and censoring. One is obviously more powerful to have than the other.
Generally speaking, historically, when there’s a looming potential struggle, The Forms Must Be Followed so that IF things come to out and out violence, you’ve established what it is for, what it is about, which is most important when it reaches its conclusion. It establishes the trajectory of any resulting violence.
It’s amazing how patiently cool people all over the West are keeping themselves. They’re following all the forms. Protests, legal action, elections, reporting. Following all the proper forms doesn’t even have to be about those forms working, although it would be nice if they did. But it certainly cements the MEANING of any violence that does arise. (and I too would be one to say no, let’s not go there)
One way of viewing the Bolshevik revolution was that the forms were not followed. The Czar was trying like crazy to do reforms. And he had the right temperament and sympathies for the job. For instance, when a new kit for Russian soldiers was developed, he put on the uniform, packed up all the gear, and spent a day marching, cooking his own meals with the kit, putting it through its paces. When he got back home, the guards wouldn’t let him in because they didn’t believe he was the Czar. At least the Emperor of all the Russias was literally someone who wanted to put his feet in the little guy’s shoes.
The Bolsheviks had to be unreasonable precisely because there was a both reasonable and sympathetic guy in charge who WANTED to fix all the problems, WAS in the middle of fixing them. Following the correct forms would have given them more reforms, more satisfaction, and no revolution. But not following the forms informed everything that revolution led to for 70 years.
February 17, 2023 at 5:26 pm #129289jsnyder62@gmail.comParticipant@AFKTT,
It’s annoying the way you think we all know what Airstrip 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ad infinitum is.
February 17, 2023 at 5:33 pm #129290jb-hbParticipantwe’re trapped in the Matrix pod of Civilization and are unaware, not initiates who See Reality. The zombies aren’t SUPPOSED to know what Airstrip 12345 are. They’re dumb zombies, that’s the point.
February 17, 2023 at 5:36 pm #129291Farmer McGregorParticipant@Dr. D “…he changes from an 80 year old with dementia to a vigorous, well-spoken guy with no trouble walking about…”
February 17, 2023 at 6:14 pm #129293AfewknowthetruthParticipantI am a little quiet of late is that I am grinding out 10 -12 hour days getting ready for 10 years of austerity.
I am going one step further, oxymoron.
I am a little quiet of late is that I am grinding out 10 -12 hour days getting ready for collapse of the fake financial system, collapse of the fake economic system, and collapse of the ability for Airstrip Five to acquire refined petroleum products.
When I came to Airstrip Five in 1974 a litre of milk was 4 cents. In the mid-80s it went to 40 cents. Currently it is almost $4.
If there is still the same fake financial-economic system and there are still supermarkets in 2024, I expect a litre of milk to cost around $40. And I suspect there will be a lot of empty apartment blocks. Especially in Orcland.
February 17, 2023 at 6:42 pm #129294zerosumParticipantA small exercise for a someone (12 yrs old) to understand inflation %.
(People should know how numbers can be presented by Politicians when they tell lies)
$100.00 –> 10% = 110
110.00 –> 9% = 119.9
119.9 –>8% = 129.5
129.5 –> 7% = 138.6
138.6 –> 6% = 146.9
146.9 –> 5% = 154.3
154.3 –> 4% = 160.5
160.5 — > 3% = 165.3
165.3 –> 2% = 168.6
168.6 –> 1% = 170.3
170.3 –> 0 inflation = 170.3February 17, 2023 at 6:47 pm #129295AfewknowthetruthParticipantI am happy to keep repeating.
Airstrip One = England (it is difficult to use the term UK when there is so much disunity, especially in the conquered territories of Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland).
Airstrip Two = America (Trading under the British East India Company Flag as the United States)
Airstrip Three = Canada (still trading under the indigenous people’s name)
Airstrip Four = Australia (the original name almost completely obliterated by the corporation)
Airstrip Five = Aotearoa (trading under the fake name of New Zealand)
All are run as corporations, run from The City of London, a private corporation set up in the mid-1600s.
Please read ‘1984’ or watch the 1984 film version of it.
War is Peace.
Ignorance is Strength.
Freedom is Slavery.
The controllers are promoting all three as hard as they can. Hence ‘Russia (Orwell’s Eurasia) is suffering huge losses and is about to collapse’, ‘Putin is sick and dying’, ‘Upgrade to a clean and green electric car using the government subsidy now’, ‘Government to review legal status, following misinformation campaigns directed against vaccines’, ‘We need a lot more censorship’ (as declared by The Scorpion, Adern, at the UN). etc.
Also read ‘Brave New World’.
I believe we are in the 120th Year of Ford, (or thereabouts).
February 17, 2023 at 7:03 pm #129296Michael ReidParticipant”
I think we’re more likely for now to see the climate nazis go full retard. They’ll shelve Covid for now and bring on some other virus later which will likely do real damage to the now billions with weakened immune systems.
”February 17, 2023 at 7:09 pm #129297OroborosParticipantIn light of the Empire of Lies® going after the Nord pipelines as critical infrastructure of an Ally then well, lying about it, what a shock, this opens up Russia going after critical infrastructure of the Collective West too.
Like low earth orbit com satellites.
Back in Oct 22
Russia warns West: We can target your commercial satellites
Well boy howdy.
Next headline
Not Only Stealth F-35s, Russian S-500 Missile Can Also Shoot-Down Low-Orbit SatellitesNot Only Stealth F-35s, Russian S-500 Missile Can Also Shoot-Down Low-Orbit Satellites
That brings us to Musk and Starlink
S-500s knocking out Starlink satellites from low earth orbit would cost Musk a shit-ton of money and explain why Musk is simping out on using Starlink in Ukronaziland.
Please don’t shoot down my satellite network, Please!
February 17, 2023 at 7:11 pm #129298AfewknowthetruthParticipantThis is what collapse off civilisation looks like after a bit of heavy rain.
This shambolic response of ‘authorities’ is occurring when times are good and there is still plenty of fuel and food.
I’m sure the government will patch things together eventually, until the next government-induced catastrophe occurs.
February 17, 2023 at 7:36 pm #129299zerosumParticipantWhy won’t they tell the truth? Why are they afraid?
https://securityconference.org/assets/02_Dokumente/230213_MSC2023_List_of_Selected_Registered_Participants.pdf
Munich Security Conference 2023
List of Selected Registered Participants
February 17 – 19, 2023 f
13/02/2023February 17, 2023 at 7:59 pm #129300Dr. DParticipantNZ looks okay. Hard times, have to look at the people who lose their house or driven out, but as everywhere, buy that extra Netflix subscription, new iPhone before a $20 solar panel to charge your phone. Get a bit of food and camping gear to cover. And NZ has the best excuse as this almost never happens. What’s Florida’s excuse?
Nah, makes a heck of a mess, camp out in the neighbor’s home, bring people together, maybe not build in a floodplain next time. Cooing over that golf course which is of course in the EXACT RIGHT place. Better even than if it had been a productive field.
Yes, we see the setup with the White Hats, everything by the book no matter how frustrating or interminable. Never even do questionable things like send the Guard on Antifa looting. And that is because one side wants violence and civil war and one side doesn’t. One side needs the folks to take a swing and have been certain they would since the 90s, in fact convinced themselves they DID in J6 and elsewhere, justifying all the violence I’m aching to do to my neighbors anyway. Loot them, burn them, fire them, arrest them, and of course burn those black neighborhoods that coincidentally get “Urban REnewal” with major real estate developers.
Okay, we know. So how do you STOP them? If your goal is to SUPPORT the Constitution, that is, the peaceful transfer of power never before seen, under such rules as are stipulated there? You win by breaking the rules at the last minute? Unfortuantely no, however, we aren’t children and know it can lead to violence and in fact already has, systemic for 50 years, adding another group for extraction each decade, and now open violence, widely and with top-level approval and defense, such as no DA’s doing their jobs, arresting anyone who would dare PREVENT looting.
So we may reach violence, that’s understood, but when you’re the good guys, you have to tolerate a lot, way more than is “Legal” to endure. But then when violence breaks out, everyone knows which side you’re on and who to support. This “moral right” which seems so arcane, hippy-dippy, is a top consideration in War Schools like West Point. It wins wars, hands down.
As you see from leaning towards Trump, just as Mr.Nobody did, or as say, Tim Pool did or Joe Rogan did. They are Left to Faaaar Left. Yet they also understand what you do, only chose it earlier. Trump is probably past, so please be open to the next gentleman the White Hats will present. You can identify him by the Media going complete, hebephrenic, lathering, foaming Ape on him/her, with lies such as the universe has never seen. But it’ll be the same thing and hopefully better than his abrasive, retrograde style. Seeing this the first time around will make it easier to see through the incredible fantasies they will spin on the next unfortunate individual.
But really, it doesn’t come down to THEM, it comes down to US. The U.S. isn’t going to have f’ all to help anybody with, you’re on your own. But they’re not SUPPOSED TO. It specifically prohibited and never passed an amendment. Even the States which have the legal right we already expect very little from and none of that happens either, only more corruption, which is good as our expectations are low. If it’s the States, we already know we’re screwed. But that leaves “government” to “ourselves”. WE are going to have to “do it”, WE are going t have to help others if you think they should be helped. Nobody else but WE.
And that’s okay since 1) that works and 2) that’s how our legal system was created, because of #1. We’ve just been ignoring the law and the effectiveness this whole time. So like the North Island, I hope YOU have those extra blankets and extra food so YOU can share when the time comes. Not the NZ police department who is busy right now, but YOU. That’s how the world goes ’round. With work.
February 17, 2023 at 8:04 pm #129301GermParticipantHelicopter And Fixed-Wing Pilot Describes His Injury From The Covid-19 Injection
https://usfreedomflyers.substack.com/p/helicopter-and-fixed-wing-pilot-describes
TVASF
February 17, 2023 at 8:41 pm #129302zerosumParticipantLiar, Bobble Head, Chrystia Freeland
Can someone please try to explain to me why our deputy PM Chrystia Freeland keeps nodding in front of the cameras? #Cdnpoli #CoronaVirusCanada pic.twitter.com/2bB1gpK8bH
— Canadabuster (@Canadabuster) March 12, 2020
Can someone please try to explain to me why our deputy PM Chrystia Freeland keeps nodding in front of the cameras? -
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