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ParticipantA look at what could happen.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/
If the House votes for impeachment the case goes to the Senate for trial.
The Republican led Senate has two choices:
It can decide to not open an impeachment trial by simply voting against impeachment. Trump wins.
It can open a impeachment trial, use it to extensively hurt the Democrats and, in the end, vote against impeachment. Trump wins big time.
Should the House vote for impeachment the Senate is likely to go the second path.An impeachment trial in the Senate would be a disaster for the Democrats.
I can not see why the Democrats would want to fall into such a trap. House leader Nancy Pelosi is experienced enough to not let that happen. But she will have to do some serious talk to convince the party that a vote on impeachment is not the best way to proceed.zerosum
ParticipantMore info
Steele distributed other dossier reports, including one to an oligarch’s lawyer
Steele distributed other dossier reports, including one to an oligarch’s lawyer
November 26, 2019
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Fiona Hill, a recent impeachment witness and a former top Russia expert on the National Security Council, suggested to lawmakers in a deposition recently that Steele’s dual role as government insider/informer and private intelligence provider left him vulnerable to Russian disinformation when he wrote his dossier.
“He was constantly trying to drum up business,” Hill testified when asked about her own contacts from time to time with the former British intelligence agent.
She said that when she read Steele’s anti-Trump dossier in January 2017 she instantly feared it might be disinformation fed to Steele by the Russians because he previously had done spy work for MI6.
“That is when I expressed the misgivings and concern that he could have been played,” Hill testified.zerosum
ParticipantHere is another summary.
https://patriotssoapbox.com/opinion/impeachment-follies-a-film-by-adam-schiff/
Written by
Radix Verum
November 26, 2019 at 10:45 amHere is a teaser.
“Now we are learning more about Alexandra Chalupa, the Ukrainian DNC operative who was involved in the 2016 election interference against the Trump Campaign.”
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ParticipantIn the west, there is one man digging with a shovel and 5 men standing around watching and 1 woman directing traffic wearing a body cam.
In China, there are 7 men building a road and 10 cameras operators in an office watching remotely.
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You heard me say many time that the enablers of the elites were the bankers, the lawyers, the accountants.
Somebody did a study to find out who are the elites.
Yep! The majority came out of the same education system.https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/who-rules-world
Elites. They’re all over the news these days. But who are they and what do we know about them?
Authored by Bilal Hafeez via MacroHive.com, 20-11-2019zerosum
ParticipantIts not over. John Solomon has many question that he need to pursue.
A dozen document troves that could change the Ukraine scandal if Trump released them
“here are 12 tranches of government documents that could benefit the public if President Trump ordered them released, and the questions these memos might answer.zerosum
ParticipantQatari women robbed of millions in France highway heist
Two Qatari sisters attacked and robbed of $5.3m worth of goods in highway north of the French capital Paris.22 Nov 2016
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ParticipantAt first, I thought that they were referring to humans.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/11/14000-sheep-drown-ship-capsizes-romania-191125091853992.htmlMore than 14,000 sheep drown after ship capsizes off Romania
Rescuers save only 33 sheep and crew after Queen Hind overturns in Black Sea shortly after leaving Romania’s Midia port.zerosum
ParticipantI hope you still have popcorn for this scene.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/lindsey-graham-barks-back-biden-over-obvious-conflict-interest-hunter-and-burisma#comment_streamSo after Lindsey Graham sent a letter to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo requesting all documents and communications related to Joe Biden’s phone calls with Ukraine’s former president Petro Poroshenho which occurred Feb. 11, 18 and 19 as well as March 22, 2016, citing media reports that the two discussed firing the Prosecutor General, Viktor Shokin, Biden flipped out – suggesting that Graham had been ‘gotten to.’
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ParticipantMind control/manipulation words
FAKE NEWS used by republicans
DEBUNKED used by democrats
TRUTH not relevantzerosum
Participant• China Will Be The Next Country To Cut Rates To Zero (ZH)
WHY?
Because, the borrower cannot pay the interest. Okay. Will the borrower be able to pay back the loan?
Can the lender and the borrower survive without getting the loan paid back? Yes, then no problem. No, then someone will have a problem.
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• China Cables (Irish Times)
Religion is under attack.
I’m not religious enough for someone to pull out my fingernails.
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Comment on Pictures
Top picture
The people are not poor. The house in under construction. The clapboards are on the ground ready to be installed.
Bottom picture
The only non white, unnamed, person wear the only black suit, is not sweating.
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“….About 37,000 asylum seekers are trapped on islands ….”
Solution,
Stamp their passports and issue valid ID so that they can travel.
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Participant@John Day
Interesting point of view of our social/economic structures
“Economics for the future – Beyond the superorganism” by N.J.Hagenszerosum
Participant• Yes, Ukraine Interference In The 2016 Presidential Election (Levine)
With the creation of the WEB, and social media, sowing discord is a busy undertaking.
Zerohedge has their special kind of comments. Reading the opinions and comments from other bloggers like TAE or other blogs( https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/11/news-a-russian-operation-us-intelligence-says.html#more ) can be intellectually revealing and entertaining.zerosum
ParticipantI got the time, I got the ideas, I got no money
I found the right answers (many times)
I forgot my point then I remembered then I forgot it again
My answers were not always wrong
Even with my ignorance I survived another day
I prefer to be ignored than to be hated
If I spend my time in the I-pad then I can’t spend my time in the garden
If you thought like me then we could not have a conversation
I prefer to have nobody living in my mind
I don’t know where my mind went when I slept
I won’t know if you don’t come to my funeralzerosum
ParticipantOPS!
Hold the press. There’s another report.Meddling in the 2016 election by Ukrainian politicians and government agencies happened. The above is true and no amount of denial is going to change that.
By Yasha LevineNovember 23, 2019
Ukrainian nationals didn’t just meddle on their own, they also worked with Americans — including Ukrainian-American political operatives on the payroll of the Democratic Party. Not only did all this happen, it was written up as fact by establishment papers and outlets as varied as Yahoo, Politico, and the Financial Times in 2016 on the eve of the election.
The principle actors openly talked and bragged about their exploits in the press. And why not? Back in 2016, no one thought that Trump would win the presidency. So why bother hiding it?zerosum
ParticipantMaybe this will be the final summary of the evidence that has been collected by all the different investigative reporters will finally make sense for you.
If you need to have more than the 9 CNN experts to tell you that its has not been debunked then read the following before making up your mind and try to keep track of the actual witness and participant that were involved.Ukraine, Trump, Biden — The Real Story Behind “Ukrainegate”
IN FOUR PARTS
Eric Zuesse for The Saker Blog
November 23, 2019
” ….this is what I have found, which U.S.-and-allied news-media have conspicuously been not only ignoring but blatantly contradicting — contradicting the facts that are being documented by the evidence that is presented here. Consequently, the links in this article prove the systematic lying by America’s press, regarding Ukrainegate…..”zerosum
Participant‘…. get an armchair and a book by the window like we used to,”
PLUS A QUILT TO STAY WARM.zerosum
Participant“…. according to a cache of documents released on Friday. The state department released the documents to the group American Oversight in response to a freedom of information lawsuit…..”
Notice to all leakers and whistle blowers Pay Attention- new procedure
Get a lawyer to set up LLP
Get your NEW organization to request the release of info
threaten to start a lawsuit under the freedom of info
this is better than using “witness protection”
this is better than hiding behind the “source” for BBC, GUARDIAN, NBCzerosum
ParticipantHere is a history lesson about the Ukraine. You never heard this in school.
Good nighthttps://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/david-stockman-exposes-ukrainian-influence-peddling-rings-part-1
and
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/david-stockman-exposes-ukrainian-influence-peddling-rings-part-2zerosum
ParticipantI’ve just heard, CNN, MSNBC, insisting that Trump is lying, again, about Ukraine, Hunter all the reports by John Solomon.
This is not going to end well. No matter where the truth lies, the rich and powerful people will not admit to being even a little bit wrong.
Its a good thing that the web is there to present us, with the different opinions.
My brain get info from others. My opinions are based on the opinions of others.zerosum
ParticipantResponding to Lt. Col. Vindman about my Ukraine columns … with the facts
If you don’t have evidence these 28 facts are wrong, I ask that you correct your testimony because any effort to call factually accurate reporting false only misleads America and chills the free debate our Constitutional framers so cherished to protect.
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ParticipantBREAKING: Former Ukrainian MP Alleges Biden Family Received $12M Kickback From Transaction With Burisma Owner To Kill London Criminal Cases, Provides Details To DOJ
by L Todd Wood November 22, 2019UPDATE: In further clarification of information provided, CD Media can now report that the $32M referenced below was sent to London, where it was seized by British officials and criminal charges were levied against Zlochevsky. Vice President Biden actively sought to have the charges thrown out in the United Kingdom for Zlochevsky in exchange for the $12M being diverted to Hunter Biden, according to Onyshchenko.
Hunter Biden was then brought onto the board of directors at Zlochevsky’s company Burisma and received further payments of $3.1M over a period of months.zerosum
Participant“Still, I think an 80% tax on billionaires is a good idea.”
You saw my indirect answer, from the Washington examiner
“the MSM is completely silent about this obvious graft.”
In my opinion:
The answer is in the hand of lawyers, accountants and bankers that can be hired to change the laws that have been made so that the elites can have an advantage.
Gosh! I think that there are already some laws that could equalize the playing field. Since nobody is bulletproof nobody will enforce those laws.
Will the new Ukraine president try to see if he is bulletproof?zerosum
ParticipantIs the following true. Zerohedge reports.
And while the Examiner reviewed “federal banking and corporate records” for their report, the MSM is completely silent about this obvious graft.CNN, NBC, MSNBC, ABC, CBS and FOX have all been radio silent on this report.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/hunter-biden-linked-company-received-130m-in-special-federal-loans-while-joe-biden-was-vpHunter Biden-linked company received $130M in special federal loans while Joe Biden was vice president
by Alana Goodman
| November 21, 2019zerosum
Participant” looking back at the 1950’s and 60’s, and see what made America so rich.”
My opinion:
Capturing Exponential Growth of resources after the destruction of assets during WWII
We can never go back. Those resources have been consumed.
The elites have it all and they will not share.zerosum
ParticipantRaúl Ilargi Meijer said
I’ve seen this from ten different sources now, that means it must be true.zerosum said
FOX use 5 people on outnumbered to discus their opinions. CNN is now up to 9 people sitting at the discussion table. I SUPOSE THAT 9 PEOPLE WILL BE MORE DEMOCRATIC AND TRUTHFULL.I’m always looking for info, without the propaganda/fake news. One of the reason that I try to include the author is to give the readers a chance to verify if he has a bias in his reporting.
TAE is as close as we can get to the truth.
On that note check out these two opinion pieces. (Do you see the echo with TAE)http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/52593.htm
Imperialism and the Rule of LawBy Donald Monaco
November 21, 2019and
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/52591.htm
The impeachment crisis and American imperialism
By Patrick Martin
November 21, 2019zerosum
ParticipantToday, will be the day for opinions. Lots of opinions. Some of the opinions will be propaganda. Some opinions will be wrong. Some opinions will be close to the truth.
Today will be the day to make a good bowl of soup.My turn to add something to the soup.
Dorothea Lange We’ll be in California yet. We’re not going back to Arkansas 1938Those were not the poorest of the poor. They could afford to buy a truck, fix it up, buy supplies for a family of 10, buy gas, oil, spare parts.
The poor people stayed home to starve.How bad is it today?
To compare to today, 2019, don’t look at the homeless tent cities but rather at the caravans of mobile homes RV trying to find places to park without being harrased by the cops.I’ve gone camping with my home made 5 x 8 camper and seen a contractor and buddy tenting for free in a campground to save money to be able to make a profit from his out of town contract.
I know a salesman who sleeps in his car when on the roadWe don’t have a clue of the things that people have got to put up with, of how they got to hustle to put food on the table.
I remember, growing up, negative comments about people living in trailer camps. You all heard it too. rif-raf, trailer trash etc.
Today, the lucky ones will be those who still have a trailer roof over their head when they lose their job.Yep! Don’t ask. I’m lucky. I know it. I appreciate it.
We, that are all here, giving our opinions, sharing our wisdom, are the fortunate few.
——–John Day said
Keep the ethanol out of your chainsaw.
I’ll add, use super gas for all small engines especially outboard motors if you don’t want to get stranded.
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I’ll be back later, with my two cents. (Since cents don’t exits anymore, in Canada, that means that they are valuable)
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ParticipantI PROMISE, LAST ONE FOR TODAY.
July 2019: Ukraine launched probe of military sale by fundraiser for Adam Schiff
July 2019: Ukraine launched probe of military sale by fundraiser for Adam Schiff
By J.E. Dyer September 30, 2019zerosum
ParticipantI seem to be finding that there is more and more blogs digging and finding info on the Ukraine.
I bring them to your attention because I think that you are interested.
If these pieces of info are not interestingTO YOU then don’t read them. You can find alternative point of view on CNN.
FOX use 5 people on outnumbered to discus their opinions. CNN is now up to 9 people sitting at the discussion table. I SUPOSE THAT 9 PEOPLE WILL BE MORE DEMOCRATIC AND TRUTHFULL.
/SBusiness NewsNovember 20, 2019 / 12:42 PM / a day ago
Ukraine widens probe against Burisma founder to embezzlement of state fundsIlya Zhegulev
https://patriotssoapbox.com/politics/head-of-burisma-goes-missing-after-indictment-pasternak-schiff-being-investigated/
Written by
Radix Verum
November 21, 2019from
UPDATE — Head of Burisma Holdings Linked to Hunter Biden Is Indicted in Ukraine – THEN GOES MISSING
by Jim Hoft November 20, 2019zerosum
ParticipantRE: Salvador Dali Figure at a window 1925
Unbelievable Transparency SkillsAgree
new light on current events. And isn’t that really why we are here?zerosum
ParticipantI will never get why you repost things that are already in the Debt Rattles, zero. What’s the use?
My take on the article. To agree or disagree on a specific point.
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ParticipantDid you miss
The Ukraine scandal timeline Democrats and their media allies don’t want America to see
December 12, 2018:
Ukrainian court rules that the efforts by Ukrainian parliamentary member Sergey Leschenko and NABU chief Artem Sytnyk to publicize the Manafort black ledger documents in 2016 were an improper foreign intervention in the American presidential election.
Validation: https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/publication-of-manafort-payments-violated-law-interfered-in-us-election-kyiv-court-rules.htmlzerosum
ParticipantThe snowball is rolling. More info about the enablers in the Ukraine.
Vindman & Fiona Hill are represented by Boies, Schiller & Flexner. That law firm also did work for Burisma, the Ukrainian gas company that paid Hunter Biden millions of dollars. That firm also employed Hunter Biden & paid him more than he’s worth. Weird, huh?
This same law firm also represents Stephan Halper from the Russian Collusion hoax.
Another researcher M3thods on twitter has also discovered a connection to Schiff:zerosum
ParticipantNobody here is in a position to change the world.
We are all old babbling seniors.
The enablers, (lawyers, accountants, bankers), don’t care about all of our words.
Get over your frustration for not being recognized for your witt and, abilities.
Enjoy your retirement.zerosum
Participanthttps://www.thenation.com/article/iraq-lebanon-protest/
By Thanassis Cambanis
November 19, 2019
The zero-sum nature of the revolts stems from the recalcitrance of the regimes. They are unable to reform even slightly, because their entire system is built around extraction, rather than governance. Traditionally, even a corrupt regime benefits from economic growth—there’s more to steal. But the regimes in Iraq and Lebanon have opted to rely on mainline extortion and Ponzi schemes. Even disruption and collapse that harm the population can benefit the rulers.There is only one way to drain the swamp.
Chaaaange the laws. Hire the right lawyers, the right accountants the right bankers.
Then you can watch and see that all of the elites have asss holes just like you.zerosum
ParticipantSo much good stuff here. They keep us so busy with non-crimes that we don’t have time to chase real crimes.
Dhuuuu!
Okay!
Wake up.
You want to drain the swamp!
It was made by lawyers, accountants, and bankers.Hire, if you can, lawyers, accountants, and bankers who will get rid of all those loopholes etc.
Then you will see that those rich people are all naked.
Those rich people couldn’t find their way out of a paper bag.
Go after the hired enablers, lawyers, accountants, and bankers.I guess that there is Nobody here to read my comment. I doesn’t matter, because none of us can go after lawyers, accountants, and bankers to drain the swamp.
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ParticipantI left an interesting link at debt rattle
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/press-conference/625831.html
KYIV. Nov 20 (Interfax-Ukraine) – Ukrainian members of parliament have demanded the presidents of Ukraine and the United States, Volodymyr Zelensky and Donald Trump, investigate suspicions of the legalization of $7.4 billion by the “family” of ex-President Viktor Yanukovych through the American investment fund Franklin Templeton Investments, which they said has ties to the U.S. Democratic Party.
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Participanthttps://en.interfax.com.ua/news/press-conference/625831.html
KYIV. Nov 20 (Interfax-Ukraine) – Ukrainian members of parliament have demanded the presidents of Ukraine and the United States, Volodymyr Zelensky and Donald Trump, investigate suspicions of the legalization of $7.4 billion by the “family” of ex-President Viktor Yanukovych through the American investment fund Franklin Templeton Investments, which they said has ties to the U.S. Democratic Party.
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ParticipantWell this is an interesting development. The Biden family is corrupt trash, just like most professional politician families in this country…
How can you believe this story.
Its coming from a corrupt country.
/sUkrainian Indictment Claims $7.4 Billion Obama-Linked Laundering, Puts Biden Group Take At $16.5 Million
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ParticipantHow many lawyers how may accountants, did the bank need to set up his system.
https://www.occrp.org/en/investigations/swedbanks-high-risk-secrets
Russian oligarch Mikhail Abyzov built a complex network of offshore companies that were used to move a fortune out of Russia, according to a Swedbank internal draft report obtained by Swedish national public TV channel Sveriges Television (SVT) and shared with OCCRP.
Today he’s charged with defrauding the Russian government and investors of US$60 million, money laundering, and running a criminal organization.
The web of 70 offshore companies in the British Virgin Islands, Cyprus, Singapore, and Belize had accounts in Swedbank Estonia, where a client manager once responsible for monitoring the transactions helped move suspicious funds, according to the internal report.zerosum
ParticipantWhy read fiction?
A person could spend a lot of time looking and trying to follow the “dark money”
I went to the search function, entered “John Solomon” and found the following which I thought you might enjoy.How a Veteran Reporter Worked with Giuliani’s Associates to Launch the Ukraine Conspiracy
Lev Parnas, recently indicted for foreign influence in U.S. elections, collaborated closely with The Hill’s John Solomon to fuel spurious allegations involving the Bidens and Ukraine.
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