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US Democrats and MSM are running down a blind alley, telling themselves there’s light at the end. It has become a mass delusion. For the largest part, it has been for some four years now. You would think they’d learn something along the way, but there are very few if any signs of that.

Someone comes up with a rumor, a snippet of something, and the entire crowd jumps and runs away with it. This happens a few times a week. Four years is 200 weeks. Granted, it was worse when they still had the idea they could keep Trump from the presidency, but now that idea has morphed into impeachment, and they just keep at it.

I’ve said it before, but I still don’t quite understand why so little attention is paid to their own credibility. That they continue to reside inside an echo chamber undoubtedly goes a long way towards explaining, but they must be aware that with only the echo chamber, they have no chance of winning in 2020.

Earlier this week the New York Times ran a new anti-Kavanaugh article, and apologized for it shortly afterwards because it was baseless: the woman quoted as accusing him didn’t even remember. By then, though, 100,000 other articles on the topic had been written and broadcast.

Perhaps to paper that over, though they might not care anymore after the first million nonsense stories, there’s a new tale in town: Trump and Ukraine. Do all the news outlets ‘reporting’ on it even realize how dangerous that issue is for ‘their own’ Joe Biden? Shouldn’t they be holding back? Or are they trying to cleverly sabotage Sloppy Joe’s campaign?

The Guardian provides a good example of how the ‘reporting’ goes. Get a catchy headline, create an atmosphere, throw in plenty innuendo, and hark back to some past rumors that are irrelevant today but linger in people’s minds. And…you can’t mention Mueller enough.


Ukraine Imbroglio Confirms Giuliani As Trump’s Most Off-Kilter Advocate

Cuomo: “Did you ask the Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden?” Giuliani: “No. Actually I didn’t.” Crystal clear. Except that 83 words and about 30 seconds later, Cuomo asked the question again. Cuomo: “So, you did ask Ukraine to look into Joe Biden?” Giuliani: “Of course I did.” That Giuliani was prepared so blatantly to contradict himself on live TV in the service of the president perfectly encapsulates his transformation. “America’s Mayor”, the hero of 9/11, has metamorphosed into what the New Yorker dubbed “Trump’s clown”.

This is not the first time Giuliani has incurred ridicule and rebuke in the cause of protecting his longtime friend – no, client. In the final days of the 2016 election the lawyer was almost the only person willing to speak in favor of Trump after the “grab ’em by the pussy” tape was aired. As the Mueller investigation into Russian interference in that election reached its climax, Giuliani threw lawyerly restraint to the winds and repeatedly denounced the inquiry as a witch-hunt.

That’s quite the portrait. Guess they may have thought people forgot about Rudy.

[..] But of all the scraps in which Giuliani has engaged in recent months, of all the obfuscations and verbal sleights of hand, this week’s performance could prove the most damaging, both for him and for his White House buddy. America’s Mayor has tied himself in ever-tighter knots over claims that at Trump’s behest he improperly sought to coerce Ukraine into investigating Joe Biden in the hope of dredging up damaging information.

No fewer than three House committees this week launched investigations into the Trump-Giuliani efforts in Ukraine. Though not yet on the scale of Mueller’s inquiry into whether Trump colluded with Russia, the new uproar bears chilling echoes of it.

Lovely. That’s how it’s done. Except that Giuliani did not “improperly seek to coerce Ukraine”, as we will see. Never mind, the neverending echoes still say Trump is Bad so Rudy is Bad. As for bringing up the Mueller inquiry, do they remember how that ended? Are they already fearing this narrative may end the same way?

[..] On Friday, the Wall Street Journal disclosed devastating new details of a phone conversation between Trump and Zelensky on 25 July. The paper reported that Trump pressed “about eight times” for his opposite number to look into work in the country by Biden’s son Hunter. And, the Journal wrote, Trump explicitly urged Zelensky to work with one person in forwarding the mission: Rudy Giuliani.

That Trump would be willing to attract further legal scrutiny just months after Mueller wrapped up his work, by inviting yet another foreign government to assist him in a presidential election campaign, is profoundly puzzling. After all, he partly brought the Mueller inquiry down upon his own head by inviting Russia to hack Hillary Clinton’s emails in July 2016.

I think they’re insinuating that Trump’s campaign joke -partly- started the Muller inquiry. Wow. And to link that to an anonymous source telling someone something we don’t know because it’s been kept again. They’re starting to sound needy.

[..] Giuliani began thumping the Ukraine theme in April, when he laid out his theory – some would say, conspiracy theory – on Fox News. He accused the former vice-president of using bribery to shield his son from legal peril relating to business activities in the eastern European country. Specifically, Giuliani alleged that Biden leant on a former Ukraine president to fire a top prosecutor who had been investigating corruption within a gas company on whose board Hunter Biden then served.

We know Biden did that. There’s video of him bragging about it. Right here:



[..] Perhaps most incendiary of all are suggestions Trump and Giuliani may have tried to encourage the Ukraine government to play ball by invoking US aid to the country. “The potentially most explosive issue here is whether the president essentially offered Ukraine a quid pro quo,” said Richard Pildes, professor of constitutional law at New York University.

Trump did not offer Zelensky a quid pro quo. The WaPo said so yesterday. We have proof of Biden demanding quid pro quo, we have none of Trump even asking for it.

Anyway, some bits from the BBC:


Trump Dismisses ‘Ridiculous Story’ About Alleged Promise To Foreign Leader

President Donald Trump has dismissed a whistleblower allegation that he made a promise to a foreign leader – believed to be Ukraine’s Volodymyr Zelensky – calling it a “ridiculous story”. He said his talks with leaders were always “totally appropriate”. Reports say Mr Trump wanted Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden and his son – who was on a Ukrainian gas company board – in return for more US military support.

“If these reports are true, then there is truly no bottom to President Trump’s willingness to abuse his power and abase our country,” Mr Biden wrote in a statement. In its report on the complaint by the whistleblower, the Washington Post said the intelligence official had found Mr Trump’s comment to the foreign leader “so troubling” that they went to the department’s inspector general.

The Wall Street Journal, meanwhile, quoted sources as saying Mr Trump had urged Mr Zelensky about eight times to work with his lawyer Rudy Giuliani on an investigation into Mr Biden’s son, but had not offered anything in return. On Friday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said that reports of the complaint raised “grave, urgent concerns” for US national security. Mr Trump and Mr Zelensky spoke by phone on 25 July. The whistleblower’s complaint is dated 12 August.

A: again, no quid pro quo, no nothing ‘in return for more US military support.’

B: Biden has guts accusing Trump of what he himself has been found guilty of. Attack is the best defense? Talk about abasing your country.

[Trump] described the complaint as “just another political hack job”. “It’s a ridiculous story. It’s a partisan whistleblower. He shouldn’t even have information. I’ve had conversations with many leaders. They’re always appropriate,” he said [..] On Thursday, Mr Trump wrote on Twitter that he knew all his phone calls to foreign leaders were listened to by US agencies.

Earlier this month, before the whistleblower’s complaint came to light, House Democrats launched an investigation into Mr Trump and Mr Giuliani’s interactions with Ukraine.

Three Democratic panel heads – Eliot Engel (foreign affairs), Adam Schiff (intelligence) and Elijah Cummings (oversight) – said Mr Trump and Mr Giuliani had attempted “to manipulate the Ukrainian justice system to benefit the president’s re-election campaign and target a possible political opponent”. They allege that Mr Trump and Mr Giuliani tried to pressure the Ukrainian government into investigating Joe and Hunter Biden.

Wait. Why were all those investigations launched? Phishing, are we?

Here’s the no quid pro quo again, as per Tyler Durden:


WaPo Reports No “Quid Pro Quo” Offered During Phone Call

[..] the Washington Post quietly reported on Friday evening that a July 25 phone call between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky did not contain an explicit quid pro quo if Ukraine launched an investigation into former Vice President Joe Biden’s son as initially reported. [..] “Trump did not raise the issue of American military and intelligence aid that had been pledged to Ukraine, indicating there was not an explicit quid pro quo in that call.”

[..] “The revelation that Trump pushed Zelensky to pursue the Biden probe, which was first reported by the Wall Street Journal, represents the most detailed account so far of the president’s conduct that prompted a U.S. intelligence official to file a whistleblower action against the president.” -Washington Post

So – the current US president asked Ukraine to conduct a legal investigation into the former US Vice President, who openly bragged about withholding $1 billion in US loan guarantees unless they fired the guy investigating his son and his son’s company – and there was no quid pro quo offered in exchange for that investigation – at least not on that phone call.

The Daily Beast found a real-life Ukraine official (or so they say). Did they slip something into the guy’s drink? He makes some strange claims.

Trump wants to take revenge for Manafort? Because of Biden? What did/does Biden have to do with Manafort? Makes little sense.

Look, Trump wouldn’t mind getting a more solid take behind the Biden video, that’s why he asked Zelensky to investigate. After already being informed that Ukraine sought contact with his government because of it (see below).

But that doesn’t mean Trump fears Biden and seeks to discredit him for that. That video is out there for everyone to see and Biden looks like he’s selling out the US. Make what you want from that.


Trump Urged Ukraine President 8 Times During Call To Investigate Biden’s Son

The Journal’s new report came as a top Ukraine official reportedly said that Trump “is looking” for Ukraine officials to investigate business dealings of Biden’s son in that country in an effort “to discredit” Biden as he seeks the Democratic presidential nomination. The official, Anton Geraschenko, told The Daily Beast that Ukraine is ready to investigate Hunter Biden’s relationship with the Ukraine gas company “as soon as there is an official request.”

But, he added, “Currently there is no open investigation.” Geraschenko is a senior advisor to Ukraine’s interior minister, who would be in charge of any investigation of Hunter Biden. “Clearly, Trump is now looking for kompromat to discredit his opponent Biden, to take revenge for his friend Paul Manafort, who is serving seven years in prison,” Geraschenko told The Daily Beast.

And don’t think we’re done yet. John Solomon has a lot more. Turns out, Ukraine has been contacting the US, not the other way around, about handing over evidence.


Missing Piece To The Ukraine Puzzle: State Department’s Overture To Rudy Giuliani

The coverage suggests Giuliani reached out to new Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s team this summer solely because he wanted to get dirt on possible Trump 2020 challenger Joe Biden and his son Hunter’s business dealings in that country. Politics or law could have been part of Giuliani’s motive, and neither would be illegal. But there is a missing part of the story that the American public needs in order to assess what really happened:

Giuliani’s contact with Zelensky adviser and attorney Andrei Yermak this summer was encouraged and facilitated by the U.S. State Department. Giuliani didn’t initiate it. A senior U.S. diplomat contacted him in July and asked for permission to connect Yermak with him. [..] When asked on Friday, Giuliani confirmed to me that the State Department asked him to take the Yermak meeting and that he did, in fact, apprise U.S. officials every step of the way.

[..] Why would Ukraine want to talk to Giuliani, and why would the State Department be involved in facilitating it? According to interviews with more than a dozen Ukrainian and U.S. officials, Ukraine’s government under recently departed President Petro Poroshenko and, now, Zelensky has been trying since summer 2018 to hand over evidence about the conduct of Americans they believe might be involved in violations of U.S. law during the Obama years .

The Ukrainians say their efforts to get their allegations to U.S. authorities were thwarted first by the U.S. embassy in Kiev, which failed to issue timely visas allowing them to visit America.

Then the Ukrainians hired a former U.S. attorney — not Giuliani — to hand-deliver the evidence of wrongdoing to the U.S. Attorney’s Office in New York, but the federal prosecutors never responded.

The U.S. attorney, a respected American, confirmed the Ukrainians’ story to me. The allegations that Ukrainian officials wanted to pass on involved both efforts by the Democratic National Committee to pressure Ukraine to meddle in the 2016 U.S. election as well as Joe Biden’s son’s effort to make money in Ukraine while the former vice president managed U.S.-Ukraine relations, the retired U.S. attorney told me.

Eventually, Giuliani in November 2018 got wind of the Ukrainian allegations and started to investigate. [..] Ukrainian officials also are discussing privately the possibility of creating a parliamentary committee to assemble the evidence and formally send it to the U.S. Congress, after failed attempts to get the Department of Justice’s attention, my sources say.

And just like that we have an entirely different story. But everyone in the media and the Democratic party will either ignore Solomon or try to discredit him. Until their Trump-Ukraine tale fizzles out and there’s no more readerships or ads to sell on it. By then, they reckon someone will come up with the next empty shell.

I’ll keep on wondering why they always go with these false claims. Is there really nothing actually true that they can find? It is sheer laziness, are they all not all that smart, or are they secretly on Trump’s payroll?

Me, I’ll condemn Trump for what he allows to happen to Julian Assange, and Chelsea and Snowden. But I’m not going to make up narratives for that, or play along with others who do.





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    Salvador Dali Punta es Baluard de la Riba d’en Pitxot 1918-19   US Democrats and MSM are running down a blind alley, telling themselves there’s l
    [See the full post at: No Quid Pro Quo Imbroglio]


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    I’ll keep on wondering why they [MSM and Democrats] always go with these false claims. Is there really nothing actually true that they can find? It is sheer laziness, are they all not all that smart, or are they secretly on Trump’s payroll?

    One thing is certain, the deplorables are increasingly developing the ability to recognize bad faith reporting and politics and they do not like it, which does not bode well for the “Democrats” in an honest 2020 election.


    It must be understood that at least 60% of white Americans are fascist. It’s all well and good I suppose, if your stupid, to say that we must respect and adhere to the wishes of fascists, because that is how democracy works. Raul Meijer,the great defender of democracy and the will of the people. A plurality of them, whatever.

    Fascism as we know it grew out of the race laws in the old Confederacy of the American South. Giving legal sanction to racial segregation. Hitler much admired this making race a matter of law and bureaucracy, of the inferior races. I know IM is partial to the lowest race of Europeans, the Greeks, but it’s pretty obvious that blacks or mixed race South Americans are a bridge too far. So he’s sympathetic to the fascists. We just as well bend to their will.

    Besides even the Russian leader encourages fascism. It’s all the rage.

    Now I don’t know how long you can keep this AE gig going by sucking up to fascism. I suppose a long long time. What a way to use a life.

    V. Arnold

    I think most Usians have lost the ability of self reflection; that time one looks back and evaluates the route to the present.
    To call the US a looney bin may be accurate, but fails to evaluate and understand the details of the life as it is…
    The Punch and Judy Show comes to mind; but that which is going on, is far more sinister than that…

    Whatever have you done to poor Rapier? 😉

    Dr. D

    fas·​cism | Definition of fascism:

    Mussolini: “The Fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism is totalitarian, and the Fascist State—a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values—interprets, develops, and potentiates the whole life of a people.

    …everything in the state, nothing against the State, nothing outside the state.” P.S. including or especially religion.

    Charles Maurras: “What in fact is Fascism? A socialism emancipated from democracy.”

    Umberto Eco: “4. “Disagreement Is Treason” – Fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, as well as out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith.”

    “”9. Pacifism is Trafficking with the Enemy” because “Life is Permanent Warfare” – there must always be an enemy to fight.” e.g. Russians and Deplorables.

    “14. Newspeak” – Fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning.” i.e. political correctness.

    Emilio Gentile: “1. a mass movement with multiclass membership in which prevail, among the leaders and the militants, the middle sectors, in large part new to political activity, organized as a party militia, that bases its identity not on social hierarchy or class origin but on a sense of comradeship, believes itself invested with a mission of national regeneration, considers itself in a state of war against political adversaries and aims at conquering a monopoly of political power by using terror, parliamentary politics, and deals with leading groups, to create a new regime that destroys parliamentary democracy;

    2. an ‘anti-ideological’ and pragmatic ideology that proclaims itself antimaterialist, anti-individualist, antiliberal, antidemocratic, anti-Marxist, is populist and anticapitalist in tendency, expresses itself aesthetically more than theoretically by means of a new political style and by myths, rites, and symbols as a lay religion designed to acculturate, socialize, and integrate the faith of the masses with the goal of creating a ‘new man’” i.e. “Tiny-house” “Uber-renting”, social-media, social-pressure, and anti-capitalist. A new religion, belief, in this case in “Progress” and “Social Justice”, which must be supported as an element of faith beyond all internal questions and contradictions, and all misbehavior by its leaders, i.e. a ‘cult’.

    6. a single state party that has the task of providing for the armed defense of the regime, selecting its directing cadres, and organizing the masses within the state in a process of permanent mobilization of emotion and faith;” ie. Progressivism, ‘where we will be civil once we win total control and all our enemies are forever destroyed’ per HRC.

    7. a police apparatus that prevents, controls, and represses dissidence and opposition, including through the use of organized terror;” I.e harassment, protests, boycotts, snap firings, and Antifa.

    9. corporative organization of the economy that suppresses trade union liberty, broadens the sphere of state intervention, and seeks to achieve, by principles of technocracy and solidarity, the collaboration of the ‘productive sectors’ under control of the regime, to achieve its goals of power, yet preserving private property and class divisions;” I.e. Under a “cooperative” union of state, people, and corporations, technology will enforce compliance with the masses, or else, while as above, dissidents are un-friended, boycotted, banned, de-banked, beaten, purged, and murdered.

    10. “a foreign policy inspired by the myth of national power and greatness, with the goal of imperialist expansion.” i.e. articles of constant war, where any discussion of anti-war is as above, boycotted, discredited, boycotted, purged, and murdered.

    A. James Gregor: “Fascism was a variant of classical Marxism, a belief system that pressed some themes argued by both Marx and Engels until they found expression in the form of ‘national syndicalism’ that was to animate the first Fascism.” i.e. Marxism united with social pressure and corporate technocracy.

    Roger Griffin: “[Fascism is] a genuinely revolutionary, trans-class form of anti-Liberal, and in the last analysis, anti-conservative nationalism.” i.e. its arch-enemy is CONSERVATIVES, and Enlightenment Values of Justice, Free Speech, and Liberty.

    Etc, etc, for scores of pages, even in a cursory view.

    So What is Fascism? It is a MARXIST, SOCIALIST, TOTALITARIAN, quasi-RELIGIOUS, total SOCIAL movement, that wants to destroy the past, is violently revolutionary, believes in, uses, and exalts violence against dissents, and wants a gigantic, universal government that runs everything: corporations, people, society, war, state, controlled by and using a repressive technocracy.

    Yes, I know. I say it every day. But is that A) a Right-Wing ‘Republican’ dream, or a B) Left-wing, far-left, ‘Progressive’ dream? In other words, if the Right wants free speech, to be left alone, and the government to be so small it can hardly harass anyone, wants the government OUT of corporations, bailouts, out of spying, is for privacy, is against violence both in the streets and abroad, wants everyone to be armed and to defend themselves, and if Conservatives are inherent the Arch-ENEMY of Fascists, then…I’m guessing, as I’ve said, the Fascists are LEFTISTS. They are DEMOCRATS, they are ANTIFA. I don’t know what to say, this is Wikipedia, but you can check against Britannica or 70 years of history textbooks as well as Mussolini, Goebbels, etc.

    So if TAE is FOR free speech, FOR dissidents, FOR Justice, is AGAINST war, AGAINST surveillance, AGAINST seeing politicians-as-God, then I’m pretty sure they are also ANTI-Fascist.

    So if you are FOR all these things, then you may want to read a few wiki pages, a couple comprehensive books on Nazism, because you may have ended up on a side, and may be unexpectedly espousing a belief from a long history you certainly never intended, and which comes to a bad end. Or as one Stormtrooper said to the other: “Sometimes I wonder: are we the baddies here?”
    If you’re flying a Black Flag, masking your face, and roaming the streets beating orthodox Jews and gay Asians in a struggle FOR social purges and AGAINST free speech, it just might be that you are the baddie.

    As for whether AMERICA is fascist, well, some portion of the population does indeed believe in infinitely larger government-as-god to solve all problems, are pro-war, and loves their Apple, Google, Facebook, and social media surveillance, who loves the CIA wiretapping Assange and the President, who wants to let billionaires like Zuckerberg, Dorsey, and Dudley pick our leaders, who are against Conservatives and Conservatism, think old Liberalism from the Age of Enlightenment and their document “The Constitution” are wildly outdated and needs to be destroyed, ignores laws and their equal enforcement altogether because power-is-all, who wishes to have universal power for the good of all, where all men will not discuss, but believe exactly and only what I tell them to. Or else.

    They’re called “Democrats”. Sadly, as it wasn’t always this way. And there are at least 1/3 of them, but most Democrats are still not willing to take up the rather-more-extreme positions of the far-left and Antifa, as seen every day in the news, as their party flees with Dave Chappelle to the sanctuary of the South Park Chick-fil-a. Most of America hates these guys and everything they stand for. And why? Why indeed? Only because, as illustrated not-even-extensively above, BECAUSE THEY, ANTIFA, the LEFT, ARE FASCISTS. America HATES Fascists. They want free speech, free jokes, and to be left alone by both the government AND Facebook. They will fight them as hard as necessary until all men are FREE again, oh, and especially in the South, as well as in the 95% of all counties: they are red and Deplorable. THEY are the ones fighting for the freedom to be left alone, and AGAINST the [rich, white] coastal elites in 5% of the counties. …But such has it ever been. Last time ‘round, the University professors, coastal elites, Time Magazine, were FOR eugenics, FOR Mussilini, FOR Hitler, FOR Nazis, FOR Socialism, FOR Technocracy, FOR turning the U.S. to Socialism, into Europe on the eve of Europe blowing to pieces. Look it up.

    After the war, of course, suddenly no one had ever been FOR those things, although it’s easy to read the rosters of the clubs they joined and the books they published, the accolades given on all those things. Nope! Same in France, for example, where the Vendee Deplorables were murdered for opposing the wonder and loving majesty of the Jacobeans, who were the cool Paris intelligentsia, the Antifa children of the rich middle class, putting on masks and fighting the man, who turned out to be Jacques the Cobbler and Francis the Farmer. Over and over, again and again in history.

    So which side are you on? FOR Liberty, Justice, Equality, Speech, and therefore self-defense, or for universal Government running everything, deciding everything, using oppression, fear, surveillance, billionaire-run mob rule against a defenseless public?

    My guess is, from the American character and 250 years of history, pointed up in the last 20 years of news, while being hammered as villains every day in the media, killed by the 30,000 a year, run roughshod with unpopular laws, we are NOT Fascists, more than 2/3 — maybe even 90% — are AGAINST them. Which is why all humans outside the terrified, socially-regimented Progressive cult wielding violent, oppressive power in the 12 blessed cities — that is, all us free men who won’t bow to their soy-based total authority — are hated with a murderous, white-hot fury. Beto and HRC promised they’re coming for us, and our backward, Bible-clutching families. We won’t obey, and never will. It’s the American Way.

    But don’t take comfort in that. America is practically the only man fighting against this technocratic, fascist, social totalitarianism of insider billionaires: if we go down, You’re Next. Stand up and speak while you still can.

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