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CDC: Delta Variant Spreads As Easily As Chickenpox, Causes More Severe Infection (CNN)
CDC Expected To Announce Friday That Vaccines Don’t Work on Delta Variant (CTH)
Health Officials Less Confident About Covid Vaccine Due To Delta Variant (JTN)
Gottlieb: Delta Surge May Be Reversing In Hot Spots (ZH)
Antibody Evolution after SARS-CoV-2 mRNA Vaccination (bioRxiv)
Why Is the FDA Attacking a Safe, Effective Drug? (WSJ)
US Capitol Police Walk Back Order To Arrest Those Without A Mask (JTN)
Biden Mandates All Federal Workers Must Be Vaccinated… Except Postal Workers (ZH)
CDC To Drop ‘Gold Standard’ PCR Test (JTN)
German Court Tells Facebook To Reinstate Deleted Posts (Pol.eu)

 

 

Things are shifting, and everyone’s busy saving their faulty faces. It’s about time to decree that only the vaccinated need to wear masks, but they’re not quite there yet.

 

 

Those tests? Whenever you feel like it, Pfizer. No hurry.

 

 

FDA approval in September? That’s 2024, right?!

 

 

 

 

Fleming vax or not risk reduction 0.8-1.25%

 

 

If true, it would be game changing (a first?!). A virus that becomes more transmissible and more lethal at the same time. For now, don’t buy it.

As for those MSNBC interviews, that’s where most people get “informed”. Tragic.

CDC: Delta Variant Spreads As Easily As Chickenpox, Causes More Severe Infection (CNN)

The Delta coronavirus variant surging across the United States appears to cause more severe illness and spread as easily as chickenpox, according to an internal document from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The document — a slide presentation — outlines unpublished data that shows fully vaccinated people might spread the Delta variant at the same rate as unvaccinated people. CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky confirmed the authenticity of the document, which was first reported by The Washington Post. “I think people need to understand that we’re not crying wolf here. This is serious,” she told CNN. “It’s one of the most transmissible viruses we know about. Measles, chickenpox, this — they’re all up there.”

The CDC is scheduled to publish data Friday that will back Walensky’s controversial decision to change guidance for fully vaccinated people. She said Tuesday the CDC was recommending that even fully vaccinated people wear masks indoors in places where transmission of the virus is sustained or high.[..]The presentation also cites three reports that indicate the Delta variant — originally known as B.1.617.2 — might cause more severe disease. The CDC, the document advises, should “acknowledge the war has changed.” It recommends vaccine mandates and universal mask requirements. The virus is once against surging across the US — especially in areas where fewer people are vaccinated. The US averaged more than 61,300 new daily cases over the last week — an average that’s generally risen since the country hit a 2021 low of 11,299 daily cases on June 22, according to Johns Hopkins University data. “The number of cases we have now is higher than any number we had on any given day last summer,” Walensky told CNN.

WaPo

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Nothing to do with the very very effective vaccines of course.

CDC Expected To Announce Friday That Vaccines Don’t Work on Delta Variant (CTH)

The White House would never credit Donald Trump with the vaccine rollout unless there was something negative about the vaccine that is going to hit the newswires; that is a no-brainer. That baseline is why CTH said two months ago to watch for the moment when the White House credits Trump with the vaccine, because that’s the moment when: (1) the vaccine was going to be identified as dangerous; and/or (2) reports would show the vaccine did not work. Today the White House credited President Trump with the vaccine:

….And right on cue, the late-evening reporting indicates that tomorrow the CDC will announce the vaccine doesn’t work (against the Delta variant). Hence, the need for masks, social distancing and/or possibly lockdowns 2.0. Reminder, when the Intelligence Branch needs to get the public relations engaged, they use the New York Times. [New York Times] – […] New research showed that vaccinated people infected with the Delta variant carry tremendous amounts of the virus in the nose and throat, she said in an email responding to questions from The New York Times. The finding contradicts what scientists had observed in vaccinated people infected with previous versions of the virus, who mostly seemed incapable of infecting others. That conclusion dealt Americans a heavy blow: People with so-called breakthrough infections — cases that occur despite full vaccination — of the Delta variant may be just as contagious as unvaccinated people, even if they have no symptoms.”

Bottom line of this narrative shift… vaccinations don’t work. Everything goes back to square one. Blame Trump, not us. There is also data showing that COVID hospitalizations offer no distinction between vaccinated and unvaccinated; and in the example of LA county, the percentage of vaccinated people hospitalized with COVID is identical to the percentage of vaccinated people in the general population. [70% of population vaccinated, 70% of COVID hospitalization patients are vaccinated.] The vaccine offers no benefit from the standing of hospitalization… or so it appears.

In San Francisco, 77% of the population is vaccinated and 83% of the COVID hospitalizations at University of California SF Hospital are previously vaccinated [link]. Again, highlighting the vaccine offers no benefit from the standpoint of hospitalization. Additionally, there’s data from a recent Pfizer study where 44,000 patients were studied. 22,000 were given the vaccine, and 22,000 received the placebo. The results amid both groups was almost identical.

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She keeps at it still: “..in rare occasions, some vaccinated people infected with the Delta variant after vaccination may be contagious..”

What will the message be tomorrow?

Health Officials Less Confident About Covid Vaccine Due To Delta Variant (JTN)

Public health confidence in the COVID-19 vaccine appears to be waning as officials warn of enhanced danger — even for vaccinated individuals — from the “Delta variant” of the SARS-Cov-2 virus. For most of the past year officials have claimed that vaccinations are the only viable path back to normalcy and away from lockdowns and other aggressive mitigation measures. “Look at the folks in your community who have gotten vaccinated and are getting back to living their lives — their full lives,” President Joe Biden said at a May press conference, arguing that the vaccine was “going to help them and their loved ones be safe, get our businesses open again, and get us back to normal.”

The rollout of the vaccines starting last year and continuing throughout the spring and summer of this year has been hailed as the driving force behind the reopening of the economy and the ending of masking mandates and similar restrictions. Yet over the past week the tone from public officials has grown increasingly grim, with leaders now appearing to doubt that the vaccine is sufficient to forestall COVID transmission and potential catastrophe due to the rise of the Delta variant. A marked shift was seen this week from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which reversed its earlier masking guidance and claimed that fully vaccinated individuals should wear masks indoors in areas with high COVID transmission.

The Delta variant “behaves uniquely differently from past strains of the virus that cause COVID-19,” CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said at a press conference this week. “Information on the Delta variant from several states and other countries indicate that in rare occasions, some vaccinated people infected with the Delta variant after vaccination may be contagious and spread the virus to others,” she claimed. “This new science is worrisome and unfortunately warrants an update to our recommendations.” White House coronavirus expert Dr. Anthony Fauci signaled a similar shift during an interview with NPR when he called the Delta variant “a different virus.” The Delta variant “is much more capable of transmitting from people to people,” Fauci claimed, stating that when even fully vaccinated people contract the virus “they are capable of transmitting the infection to someone else.”

The shift from strong confidence in the vaccine to the masking of fully vaccinated individuals comes after several weeks of steadily rising COVID-19 cases throughout the United States. Experts have feared that the Delta variant could cause a surge in hospitalizations and deaths, leading to catastrophic scenarios of the kinds hypothesized at the outset of the pandemic last year.

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But wait, wasn’t it as contagious as ebola?

Gottlieb: Delta Surge May Be Reversing In Hot Spots (ZH)

While hospitalizations and deaths are clearly higher in areas where vaccination rates are lower, rates are still well below their levels from just a few months ago. And although Dr. Anthony Fauci would have you believe that Delta might cause the end of the world as we know it, his isn’t the only view on the matter. Dr. Scott Gottlieb, a former director of the FDA, believes delta will peak within the next two to three weeks. And after breaking the data down to the regional level, Bloomberg has apparently spotted some trends that suggest as Delta’s global conquest has been characterized by “hyperspeed spikes in infections that eased dramatically after about two months.”

s The first US outbreaks that caught officials’ eye were in Missouri and Arkansas, and they both started in earnest around the end of May, per BBG. They noted that the rest of the country will be keeping a close eye on both states (along with a handful of others, including California). The rest of the US will be watching those states closely as infections spread. The cases are prompting authorities to reconsider masking and other public-health measures, but many state and local governments are doing so gingerly and only after outbreaks are well underway. In Florida’s Miami-Dade County, Mayor Daniella Levine Cava said Wednesday that she would require masks again at indoor county facilities such as libraries.

Bloomberg also cited the following tweet from Dr. Gottlieb where he explained how Rt, a virus’s effective reproductive number, plays into forecasts of the virus’s spread. The logic behind it is pretty simple: If Rt falls below 1, then the virus’s spread should start to slow. Gottlieb cited data from covidestim, a project with contributors from Yale School of Public Health, Harvard’s T.H. Chan School of Public Health and Stanford Medicine, showing the Rt rate in the worst hit states is already trending toward 1. When the numbers did this in the UK, seen as being just a few weeks ahead of the US, cases quickly started falling off.

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The conclusion is simple: “..memory antibodies selected over time by natural infection have greater potency and breadth than antibodies elicited by vaccination.”.

But they still need to package it in jargon.

Antibody Evolution after SARS-CoV-2 mRNA Vaccination (bioRxiv)

Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infection produces B-cell responses that continue to evolve for at least one year. During that time, memory B cells express increasingly broad and potent antibodies that are resistant to mutations found in variants of concern. As a result, vaccination of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) convalescent individuals with currently available mRNA vaccines produces high levels of plasma neutralizing activity against all variants tested. Here, we examine memory B cell evolution 5 months after vaccination with either Moderna (mRNA-1273) or Pfizer-BioNTech (BNT162b2) mRNA vaccines in a cohort of SARS-CoV-2 naive individuals.


Between prime and boost, memory B cells produce antibodies that evolve increased neutralizing activity, but there is no further increase in potency or breadth thereafter. Instead, memory B cells that emerge 5 months after vaccination of naive individuals express antibodies that are equivalent to those that dominate the initial response. We conclude that memory antibodies selected over time by natural infection have greater potency and breadth than antibodies elicited by vaccination. These results suggest that boosting vaccinated individuals with currently available mRNA vaccines would produce a quantitative increase in plasma neutralizing activity but not the qualitative advantage against variants obtained by vaccinating convalescent individuals.

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The WSJ goes ivermectin. Next up NYT, then CNN?

Why Is the FDA Attacking a Safe, Effective Drug? (WSJ)

The Food and Drug Administration claims to follow the science. So why is it attacking ivermectin, a medication it certified in 1996? Earlier this year the agency put out a special warning that “you should not use ivermectin to treat or prevent COVID-19.” The FDA’s statement included words and phrases such as “serious harm,” “hospitalized,” “dangerous,” “very dangerous,” “seizures,” “coma and even death” and “highly toxic.” Any reader would think the FDA was warning against poison pills. In fact, the drug is FDA-approved as a safe and effective antiparasitic. Ivermectin was developed and marketed by Merck & Co. while one of us (Mr. Hooper) worked there years ago.

William C. Campbell and Satoshi Omura won the 2015 Nobel Prize for Physiology or Medicine for discovering and developing avermectin, which Mr. Campbell and associates modified to create ivermectin. Ivermectin is on the World Health Organization’s List of Essential Medicines. Merck has donated four billion doses to prevent river blindness and other diseases in Africa and other places where parasites are common. A group of 10 doctors who call themselves the Front Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance have said ivermectin is “one of the safest, low-cost, and widely available drugs in the history of medicine.” Ivermectin fights 21 viruses, including SARS-CoV-2, the cause of Covid-19. A single dose reduced the viral load of SARS-CoV-2 in cells by 99.8% in 24 hours and 99.98% in 48 hours, according to a June 2020 study published in the journal Antiviral Research.

Some 70 clinical trials are evaluating the use of ivermectin for treating Covid-19. The statistically significant evidence suggests that it is safe and works for both treating and preventing the disease. In 115 patients with Covid-19 who received a single dose of ivermectin, none developed pneumonia or cardiovascular complications, while 11.4% of those in the control group did. Fewer ivermectin patients developed respiratory distress (2.6% vs. 15.8%); fewer required oxygen (9.6% vs. 45.9%); fewer required antibiotics (15.7% vs. 60.2%); and fewer entered intensive care (0.1% vs. 8.3%). Ivermectin-treated patients tested negative faster, in four days instead of 15, and stayed in the hospital nine days on average instead of 15. Ivermectin patients experienced 13.3% mortality compared with 24.5% in the control group.

Moreover, the drug can help prevent Covid-19. One 2020 article in Biochemical and Biophysical Research Communications looked at what happened after the drug was given to family members of confirmed Covid-19 patients. Less than 8% became infected, versus 58.4% of those untreated.Despite the FDA’s claims, ivermectin is safe at approved doses. Out of four billion doses administered since 1998, there have been only 28 cases of serious neurological adverse events, according to an article published this year in the American Journal of Therapeutics. The same study found that ivermectin has been used safely in pregnant women, children and infants.

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Fiddling with Nancy’s new hobby.

US Capitol Police Walk Back Order To Arrest Those Without A Mask (JTN)

Capitol police Thursday night walked back a memo that ordered officers to deny entry and possibly arrest those who enter the United States House of Representatives who are not wearing masks after mask mandates were reintroduced earlier this week. “Regarding the House mask rule, there is no reason it should ever come to someone being arrested. Anyone who does not follow the rule will be asked to wear a mask or leave the premises. The Department’s requirements for officers to wear masks is for their health and safety,” the USCP said in a statement Thursday night.


On Wednesday, newly appointed Capitol Police Chief Thomas Manger ordered officers to enforce new mask mandates in the House, including denial of entry and even arrest. “If a visitor or staff member fails to wear a mask after a request is made to do so, the visitor or staff shall be denied entry to the House Office Buildings or House-side of the U.S. Capitol,” Manger said Wednesday. “Any person who fails to either comply or leave the premises after being asked to do so would be subject to an arrest for Unlawful Entry.”

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They must be vaccinated so they spread more virus. A Chinese study claims the viral load is 1,000 times higher.

Biden Mandates All Federal Workers Must Be Vaccinated… Except Postal Workers (ZH)

Earlier in the week Biden suggested that those who are yet to be vaccinated are “sowing enormous confusion.” “We have a pandemic because of the unvaccinated, and they’re sowing enormous confusion,” Biden said. “And there’s only one thing we know for sure, if those other 100 million people got vaccinated, we’d be in a very different world. So get vaccinated. If you haven’t, you’re not nearly as smart as I said you were.” And now he has gone to ’11’ on the ‘your body, no choice’ amplifier, saying tonight that he’ll require federal workers to prove they’ve been vaccinated against Covid-19 or wear masks and submit to frequent coronavirus testing. Additionally, the rules will cover millions of federal workers, including the military and on-site contractors.

“What I’m trying to do is keep people safe,” Biden said Thursday at the White House. “If in fact you’re unvaccinated, you present a problem to yourself, to your family and to those with whom you work.” Biden also asked his team to take steps to apply similar standards to all federal contractors and encourage private sector employers to follow the same approach. There’s just one thing… the federal worker mandate does not apply to postal workers? What do postal workers know about the science that Biden doesn’t? We don’t know, but dare we mention it could be related to the 220,000-member strong union’s leaders waiting to be negotiated with. As The Epoch Times’ Isabel van Brugen detailed earlier,

“The American Postal Workers Union (APWU) has said that it opposes mandatory COVID-19 vaccinations, amid reports that the White House is considering so-called vaccine passports as a condition of employment for federal employees. The union, which represents over 220,000 postal workers, released a statement late Wednesday saying that while it will encourage postal workers to get vaccinated against COVID-19, it is “not the role of the federal government to mandate vaccinations for the employees we represent.” “Issues related to vaccinations and testing for COVID-19 in the workplace must be negotiated with the APWU. At this time the APWU opposes the mandating of COVID-19 vaccinations in relation to U.S. postal workers,” the statement said.

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Not a word about the flu.

CDC To Drop ‘Gold Standard’ PCR Test (JTN)

PCR tests, long hailed as the “gold standard” in detecting SARS-Cov-2 cases, will be dropped by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention at the beginning of next year. Polymerase chain reaction tests have been a mainstay of the U.S. and global response to COVID-19 since early in 2020, but health officials have warned the diagnostic tool poses a risk of false-positive results. The test works by amplifying a biological sample through successive cycles until a virus — if it’s present in the assay — can be detected by the testing machine. The CDC announced this month that it would be withdrawing its request to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for the emergency use authorization of the test. The agency urged laboratories to “begin their transition to another FDA-authorized COVID-19 test.”

CDC spokeswoman Kristen Nordlund told Just the News that the agency was discontinuing its support for the test “given the availability of commercial options for clinical diagnosis of SARS-CoV-2 infection, including multiplexed … and high-throughput options.” “Although the CDC 2019 Novel Coronavirus … Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel met an important unmet need when it was developed and deployed and has not demonstrated any performance issues, the demand for this test has declined with the emergence of other higher-throughput and multiplexed assays,” she said via email. Those risks have been acknowledged by multiple prominent public health figures, including Dr. Anthony Fauci, chief medical adviser to President Biden and the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

In a July 2020 interview on an infectious disease podcast, Fauci warned that the sensitive PCR tests might, if allowed to progress through too many amplification cycles, return a “positive” result when it was actually just detecting “dead nucleotides.” The World Health Organization earlier this year warned in a medical product alert that PCR tests carry with them the risk of “false positives” because the test might only be picking up small fragments of the virus via heavy amplification. “[D]isease prevalence alters the predictive value of test results; as disease prevalence decreases, the risk of false positive increases,” the alert stated. “This means that the probability that a person who has a positive result (SARS-CoV-2 detected) is truly infected with SARS-CoV-2 decreases as prevalence decreases, irrespective of the claimed specificity.”

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“We welcome the ruling of the Court, which upholds the principle that platforms like ours are allowed to remove hate speech according to company policies and block the respective user accounts,” said a Facebook spokesperson.

German Court Tells Facebook To Reinstate Deleted Posts (Pol.eu)

Germany’s Federal Court ruled Thursday that Facebook had to reinstate racist comments because it had improperly removed them. In its ruling, the Karlsruhe-based court said that while Facebook had the right to decide what stays on or off the platform, it needs to be more forthcoming with users on how it does so. The court found that the social media company did not inform two users that it had removed their posts. It added that the company should have also informed and given users an opportunity to respond before suspending them from its platform. The decision sets a major precedent for how social media companies police content on their platforms, likely giving a boost to EU lawmakers in Brussels, who are pushing to add further obligations on social media companies.

It also upends a years-long status quo whereby platforms were effectively free to develop and implement content moderation policies on their own, which critics say has resulted in a lack of transparency, information, and potential recourse for the users. The case in question is from 2018, when Facebook removed posts in which two German users attacked migrants because it said the posts violated its policy on hate speech, and then suspended the users’ accounts for several days. The users complained that the posts’ removal was a violation of free speech. The court said while Facebook was entitled to set strict content rules banning hateful speech and to block users, the way it implemented its content moderation policy was not proper.

“Provisions in general terms and conditions are ineffective if they unreasonably disadvantage the contractual partner of the user contrary to the requirements of good faith,” said the court. Facebook will not be allowed to delete the posts again after they are reinstated. “We welcome the ruling of the Court, which upholds the principle that platforms like ours are allowed to remove hate speech according to company policies and block the respective user accounts,” said a Facebook spokesperson.

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  • #81521
    absolute galore
    Participant

    Somebody wrote [yikes, it’s half a day’s pay to get around in the comments section these days; gotta be a better way] “The people who push the mainstream narrative are evil and anti-science; The people who believe this narrative are naive, dogmatic and anti-science.”

    Noirette commented: I doubt that TAE participants, or some large sub-set of them, believe this. Or I hope so.
    I don’t hold truck with the second clause, but I do feel the first one covers some of the players–maybe not necessarily in terms of motive, but certainly in terms of actions, and the subsequent consequences.

    “existing social listening projects.” Remember when we were kids, and that was called “spying?”

    #81522
    Mr. House
    Participant

    Or he’s not on drugs and he just knows this is all apart of the plan, like Gym Bro said last July.

    #81523
    absolute galore
    Participant

    Idea: Find out how many of the unvaccinated falling ill with this Delta wave have antibodies for a previous greek letter.

    That would tell us if natural immunity is suffering the same fate as what is apparently befalling the vaccines. If few have antibodies, If they are mostly covid virgins, it might point toward natural immunity being more advantageous. Or would that be too scientific to gather information like that?

    We could let everyone get exposed, then give a quick Ivermectin protocol, and Bob is your Uncle.

    #81524
    those darned kids
    Participant

    thanx in spanx, madamski c.!

    i’ve tried posting with the <aref> html, copy’pasting link, split up link, vague insinuations of a link…

    nada.

    other times, to the ether my post goes. i always copy them before posting because of that. after repeated attempts with alterations (remove html, links to cia, odd characters), a post won’t post, i usually move on.

    that being said, i have read the blog for years, appreciate the conversation, and am thankful to have sanish people with which to decipher the madness that humans brew.

    #81525
    Formerly T-Bear
    Participant

    > those darned kids
    Could it be that <*a href… html should be used (remove * and finish the linkage equation)?
    just asking.

    #81526
    ctbarnum
    Participant

    I was going to post this on yesterday’s rattle, but also seems appropriate today. I saw it as a Facebook comment on an employer mandate story that many people take to be legal because the DOJ isn’t enforcing the law and sums the vax propaganda perfectly. My next conversation at the doctor’s office:

    “”ME: CDC, should I get poked if I already had Covid?
    CDC: “Yes, you should be poked regardless of whether you already had COVID-19. That’s because experts do not yet know how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19.”
    ME: Oh, okay, we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts. Got it. So, how long does poke-induced immunity last?
    CDC: “There is still a lot we are learning about COVID-19 pokes and CDC is constantly reviewing evidence and updating guidance. We don’t know how long protection lasts for those who are poked.”
    ME: Okay … but wait a second. I thought you said the reason I need the poke was because we don’t know how long my natural immunity lasts, but it seems like you’re saying we ALSO don’t know how long poke immunity lasts either. So, how exactly is the poke immunity better than my natural immunity?
    CDC: …
    ME: Uh … alright. But, haven’t there been a bunch of studies suggesting that natural immunity could last for years or decades?
    CDC: Yes.
    NEWYORKTIMES: “Years, maybe even decades, according to a new study.”
    ME: Ah. So natural immunity might last longer than poke immunity?
    CDC: Possibly. You never know.
    ME: Okay. If I get the poke, does that mean I won’t get sick?
    BRITAIN: Nope. We are just now entering a seasonal spike and about half of our infections and hospital admissions are poked people.
    ME: CDC, is this true? Are there a lot of people in the U.S. catching Covid after getting the poke?
    CDC: We stopped tracking breakthrough cases. We accept voluntary reports of breakthroughs but aren’t out there looking for them.
    ME: Does that mean that if someone comes in the hospital with Covid, you don’t track them because they’ve been poked? You only track the UN-poked Covid cases?
    CDC: That’s right.
    ME: Oh, okay. Hmm. Well, if I can still get sick after I get the poke, how is it helping me?
    CDC: We never said you wouldn’t get sick. We said it would reduce your chances of serious illness or death.
    ME: Oh, sorry. Alright, exactly how much does it reduce my chance of serious illness or death.
    CDC: We don’t know “exactly.”
    ME: Oh. Then what’s your best estimate for how much risk reduction there is?
    CDC: We don’t know, okay? Next question.
    ME: Um, if I’m healthy and don’t want the poke, is there any reason I should get it?
    CDC: Yes, for the collective.
    ME: How does the collective benefit from me getting poked?
    CDC: Because you could spread the virus to someone else who might get sick and die.
    ME: Can a poked person spread the virus to someone else?
    CDC: Yes.
    ME: So if I get poked, I could still spread the virus to someone else?
    CDC: Yes.
    ME: But I thought you just said, the REASON I should get poked was to prevent me spreading the virus? How does that make sense if I can still catch Covid and spread it after getting the poke?
    CDC: Never mind that. The other thing is, if you stay unpoked, there’s a chance the virus could possibly mutate into a strain that escapes the pokes protection, putting all poked people at risk.
    ME: So the poke stops the virus from mutating?
    CDC: No.
    ME: So it can still mutate in poked people?
    CDC: Yes.
    ME: This seems confusing. If the poke doesn’t stop mutations, and it doesn’t stop infections, then how does me getting poked help prevent a more deadly strain from evolving to escape the poke?
    CDC: You aren’t listening, okay? The bottom line is: as long as you are unpoked, you pose a threat to poked people.
    ME: But what KIND of threat??
    CDC: The threat that they could get a serious case of Covid and possibly die.
    ME: My brain hurts. Didn’t you JUST say that the poke doesn’t keep people from catching Covid, but prevents a serious case or dying? Now it seems like you’re saying poked people can still easily die from Covid even after they got the poke just by running into an unpoked person! Which is it??
    CDC: That’s it, we’re hanging up now.
    ME: Wait! I just want to make sure I understand all this. So, even if I ALREADY had Covid, I should STILL get poked, because we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts, and we also don’t know how long poke immunity lasts. And I should get the poke to keep a poked person from catching Covid from me, but even if I get the poke, I can give it to the poked person anyways. And, the other poked person can still easily catch a serious case of Covid from me and die. Do I have all that right?

    ME: Um, hello? Is anyone there?””

    And my own addition:

    “The other absurdity going around:
    CDC: “Get the poke for those who can’t safely get the poke.”
    Me: “I have a condition that prevents me from getting the poke. Can I still participate in society?”
    CDC: “NO, GET THE POKE, LEPER!”
    Me: “But the poke doesn’t prevent me from spreading it, doesn’t prevent me from getting sick, and it’s unsafe for me to take. What do I do?”
    CDC: ………
    Me: “Hello? Anyone?””

    https://www.facebook.com/WFLANewsChannel8/posts/10166267395655500?__cft__%5B0%5D=AZVCzrQW54aEd-PWsPZqrXgCYCLY-HCHWpsPDTZF_w8qI10A9AUv4_K9IN-wnHgW7UqIJ9CdXHIAsrVnSrd5XdLVikeWWZggDGjM80K3Vz6zhxoMfV4ieDLCLyikwRHfyNg&__tn__=R%5D-R

    #81527
    Mr. House
    Participant
    #81528
    absolute galore
    Participant

    So, I sent the Wall Street Journal piece out to a few friends who have listened to me go on about Ivermectin now and then. They have never heard of it and of course assume if there were a medication that worked, it would be used. One of them sends back this:

    Misleading and Dishonest Wall Street Journal Article on Ivermectin

    I replied:

    I hope you are not serious, Peter. The WSJ, taken down by Screamin’ Hank.

    I could not get much past his bullshit about the FDA “protecting” people. He made it sound like Ivermectin is mainly a vet drug. Not if you live in the majority of the world, where its developers for instance won the Nobel Prize in part for essentially wiping out river blindness. One of the initial ways it was noticed was during a scabies outbreak in a nursing home. When there is an outbreak, all the residents get Ivermectin. Weird that not one of them died, while every other nursing home in the region suffered multiple deaths.

    Him saying the FDA is “protecting” people from off-patent use is ridiculous. It’s a drug that has been prescribed to humans over 4 Billion times, with fewer side effects than Tylenol. If it is showing promise, you don’t squash it like that. The reason people were resorting to horse paste from Tractor Supply is because doctors were told not to prescribe it, and since doctors are mostly just the salesmen for Big Pharma these days, most of them obeyed.

    I know, it’s hard realizing people you trust are lying to you.

    Here’s the website of the main conspiracy theorists regarding Ivermectin:

    Home | FLCCC | Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance

    end response

    I could not listen to that jackass for more than 2 minutes.

    I think it will be hard for people to process the enormity of the lies they have been fed and believed. And then when they understand what that implies…

    I suspect there will be a long process of denial here.

    #81529
    Polder Dweller
    Participant

    “SAGE: Next Covid variant could kill one in three people
    A doomsday new Covid variant that could kill UP TO one in three people is a ‘realistic possibility’, according to the Government’s top scientists.

    Documents published by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) today warned a future strain could be as deadly as MERS — which which has a case fatality rate of 35 per cent — could be on the way.

    No10’s expert panel It said the likelihood of the virus mutating is highest when it is most prevalent — as is currently the case in Britain.

    And a downside of Britain’s hugely successful vaccine drive, it appears the country’s greater levels of immunity could help speed up the process.

    Scientists said Britain should bring in booster vaccine doses over the winter, minimise new variants coming from abroad and consider culling animals — including minks and even cats, which can harbour the virus — to prevent the mutant strain occurring.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9844701/SAGE-Covid-variant-kill-one-three-people.html

    #81530
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    Raul: “We’re all the same again.”

    Mr. House: Not true, some people have something never before used on humans floating in their bloodstream. Whatever that secret sauce is

    Cafone: It’s true in the sense Raul obviously meant it.

    Yes, and I suspect Mr. House obviously knows that. His point was to point out an interesting and potentially relevant point, both for right now and in the future. A three-point shot.

    If so, that only emphasizes my reason for quibbling: “not true” is a damn strong negative way to introduce something that we, including Raul, already know: some people got jabbed, some didn’t. It’s like saying ‘you’re wrong’ when really one is just showing another facet of a thing. Its the difference between saying ‘but you’ vs ‘and you’. It’s both a courtesy thing and about accuracy in communication. “Not true” is equivalent to “you’re wrong”, and we know Raul isn’t wrong in what he said, which was a tongue-in-cheek observation that the playing field is at least beginning to level out.

    I have a thing about rhetorical hygiene, and am consistently vexed by needless contradiction.

    #81531
    TheUAoB
    Participant

    “If true, it would be game changing (a first?!). A virus that becomes more transmissible and more lethal at the same time. For now, don’t buy it.”

    This is a misunderstanding: Over the long-term, an endemic virus will become less lethal, and maximize transmissiblity. Any single mutation will may be more or less lethal, but selection against that mutation will only occur if the host is killed before transmission occurs. So it really depends whether that mutation virulence is sufficient to overcome any possible increase in reproduction and transmission. It must also compete with other strains, so all else being equal, a more virulent strain will do less well than less virulent strains. Of course all else isn’t equal…

    #81532
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    “Or he’s not on drugs and he just knows this is all apart of the plan, like Gym Bro said last July.”

    I should have made it clear that I perceive Fauci’s affect being much different now than it was when he was basking in glory with a fawning entirely compliant media. To me, this suggests that Das Plan is not going so well and he’s not liking the ride at this point.

    #81533
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    “This is a misunderstanding: Over the long-term, an endemic virus will become less lethal, and maximize transmissiblity. Any single mutation will may be more or less lethal, but selection against that mutation will only occur if the host is killed before transmission occurs. So it really depends whether that mutation virulence is sufficient to overcome any possible increase in reproduction and transmission. It must also compete with other strains, so all else being equal, a more virulent strain will do less well than less virulent strains. Of course all else isn’t equal…

    I’ll point out what you’ve already implied with the last sentence: in 2020s globalism, the number, depth, breadth, and speed of vectors is orders of magnitude above when those principles were enshrined. This allows a virulent virus to spread ahead of its own detection/sickness/death wave.

    Have a few ebola superspreaders spend the day sneezing in Heathrow Airport and flying with 2-3 switchovers. It’s infectiousness will then work handily togethet with its virulence. It’s spread will have means to stay ahead of its tendency to immobilise/kill its hosts.

    If my logic is flawed, someone please point it out? My brain hurts today.

    #81534
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    “when those principles were enshrined”

    The inverse ration between infection rate and virulence strength, I meant.

    #81535
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    When ye stare into the petri dish, the petri dish smiles at thee:

    fd

    #81536
    Huskynut
    Participant

    @absolute @noirette
    I think it will be hard for people to process the enormity of the lies they have been fed and believed. And then when they understand what that implies…

    Remarkably few people reach a point of maturity to grasp the sheer banality of most of the evil in the world. Many might grasp that starving 500k Iraqis to death with sanctions is evil, but go full denial on the idea that valid treatments such as Ivermectin are deliberately withheld, causing thousands of deaths, and most likely due to motives of profit and power.

    That’s the type of naivete and evil that I believe TAE Summary was refering to. It’s not a pejorative statement but rather a simple statement of the psychological facts. It might be wise in debate not to call someone naive, but that doesn’t change the fact of their underlying naivete..

    #81537
    zerosum
    Participant

    Best quotes

    They keep moving the goal posts

    It seem like they don’t want the pandemic to ever go away.

    #81538
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    @absolute @noirette
    I think it will be hard for people to process the enormity of the lies they have been fed and believed. And then when they understand what that implies…

    Remarkably few people reach a point of maturity to grasp the sheer banality of most of the evil in the world. Many might grasp that starving 500k Iraqis…etc.

    Nifty exchange. It’s almost a nature vs nurture question. Looking back on my wild and tangled life wherein I jumped the fence at age 16, I realize that my early childhood, which was wonderfully pleasant, was uniquely configured to give me uncommon internal intellectual fortitude, by which I mean willingness to trust myself over authority. That and a few unexpected events made it possible for me to steadily locate and reduce my naivete, something that, looking back, has developed at an increasing rate culminating in a nearly complete functioning cynicism by age 60.

    The chief naivete I struggle with now is the tendency to think one can somehow help ‘fix the world’, and all the ego-driven angst, arrogance, paranoia, confrontationalism, etc. that such an attitude encourages and requires. Interestingly, I find that focusing on how to help those immediately around me in (mostly) little ways, tends to place me in ever closer proximity to the kinds of people one wants around one as society collapses.

    I don’t focus, for example, about how to combat the official narrative, although I’ve strategized about it considerably (mostly because it seemed other people might benefit from it). I focus on how to help that particular person deal with whatever problem covid is causing. Retired, I don’t have mandatory cooperation zones like the workplace to trouble me with more confrontational covid demands… altho I recommend trying the just-described approach to such situations.

    “How can I help you deal with your anxiety about my refusal to vakzinate?”

    A form of killing them with kindness, if you will. Typically, they’ll go toxically narcissistic on you, try to get your goat, get you to stoop to their level. If you can hold your calm and smile (VERY hard; VERY rewarding, in my experience) and stay on track: “My lack of vaccination is not my concern. Helping you feel more comfortable is my concern.”

    Egos are hungry little things, typically scarred like Freddy Krueger’s circumcision, always looking to “count coup” and score points because they perceive life as a battlefield, but give them enough encouragement and they’re vulnerable to opening up and telling you all their problems. And then maybe chastize you at the end for non-vakzing, since inconsistency and habit paradoxically dominate our logic and actions, but with much less leverage. More of an afterhought reminder to themselves that vakzing is still The Most Important Thing.

    Some, howver, will ask you why you haven’t vakzed, not as a sneering challenge but with genuine curiosity?

    When You’re Smiling

    #81539
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    “made it possible for me to steadily locate and reduce my naivete, something a process that, looking back,”

    #81540
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    Anyway, don’t think me unkind: “their innocence will pull me through”

    #81541
    Huskynut
    Participant

    @madamski
    I realize that my early childhood, which was wonderfully pleasant, was uniquely configured to give me uncommon internal intellectual fortitude, by which I mean willingness to trust myself over authority. That and a few unexpected events made it possible for me to steadily locate and reduce my naivete, something that, looking back, has developed at an increasing rate culminating in a nearly complete functioning cynicism by age 60.
    I’m the opposite.. I grew up with a stratospheric level of gullibility and naivete.. probably a product of both nature and nurture. Then a series of life smack-downs laid me slow and I began a long slow reboot through dependency (on programmes, mentors etc) re-individuation to the current hybrid of socially conscious and connected but fiercely independent – genuinely interdependent to the best of my ability.
    Shedding layers of naivete and trying to look the world squarely in the face (with varying degrees of success) is something I very much identify with

    #81542
    Bill7
    Participant

    Thanks for that Brandon Smith link, Mr. House. I don’t agree with everything he says,
    but this bit rings true, big-time:

    “..If a large population of millions of people remain unvaccinated after the next couple of years, then they will represent a sizable and undeniable control group. A control group is a group of subjects that act as a pure sample untouched by a drug or vaccine experiment. If the vaccinated group becomes ill or dies from specific conditions and the control group does not have those same conditions, then that is a pretty good sign that your vaccine or drug is poison.

    The 50% of Americans and smaller percentages in other nations are a control group for the experimental vaccines. If something goes wrong with the vaccines, then we will be the proof. I suspect this is what the elites are really afraid of.

    They have to force us to be vaccinated as well – ALL of us, so that there is no control group and thus no proof of what they have done. They could simply blame health disorders on covid itself, or some other false culprit..”

    Pretty good fit, I’d say.

    #81543
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    “I grew up with a stratospheric level of gullibility and naivete.. probably a product of both nature and nurture. Then a series of life smack-downs laid me slow and I began a long slow reboot through dependency (on programmes, mentors etc) re-individuation to the current hybrid of socially conscious and connected but fiercely independent – genuinely interdependent to the best of my ability.”

    It’s a hard row to hoe but the fruit thereof is the best, I feel.

    Run Away, Luke! Run Away!

    #81544
    absolute galore
    Participant

    Okay. My turn.

    Raul: “We’re all the same again.”

    Mr. House: Not true, some people have something never before used on humans floating in their bloodstream. Whatever that secret sauce is

    Cafone: It’s true in the sense Raul obviously meant it.

    Absolute Galore: Yes, and I suspect Mr. House obviously knows that. His point was to point out an interesting and potentially relevant point, both for right now and in the future. A three-point shot.

    Cafone: If so, that only emphasizes my reason for quibbling: “not true” is a damn strong negative way to introduce something that we, including Raul, already know: some people got jabbed, some didn’t. It’s like saying ‘you’re wrong’ when really one is just showing another facet of a thing. Its the difference between saying ‘but you’ vs ‘and you’. It’s both a courtesy thing and about accuracy in communication. “Not true” is equivalent to “you’re wrong”, and we know Raul isn’t wrong in what he said, which was a tongue-in-cheek observation that the playing field is at least beginning to level out.

    I have a thing about rhetorical hygiene, and am consistently vexed by needless contradiction.

    Since you attribute a tongue-in-cheek quality to Raul’s statement, I am attributing, let’s call it a mildly ribbing quality (though this is not precisely it) to Mr. House’s “Not true”, not “a damn strong negative” since we are all working under similar beliefs here. I would say “Not true” in this case would have been used largely for rhetorical effect, not to literally state that Raul did not know what he was talking about, or that he was lying, or that Mr.House was being discourteous to our host.

    In fact that would be why one would choose to say “Not true” rather than “You’re wrong,” because the phrase lends itself to a context like this. In a real-world conversation (which this is a virtual representation of, and yes, not as nuanced) this would have been a response that Raul would have registered as benign and smiled and said “Well of course.” And since TAE is a gathering place with regulars, mostly likely these things are understood, unless one of the parties actually involved protests.

    I took it as a friendly “Eh eh, don’t forget!” and an opportunity to emphasis and remind that yes, we are the same in terms of spreading the virus, but the vaxxed have something else going on, since not all of us might read the “tongue-in-cheek” that you attributed, but read it more straightforward.

    My take could be wrong, but it is certainly within the realm of possibility. However, if needless contradictions vex you and you have a thing about rhetorical hygiene, hanging out in forums and chats could be bad for your blood pressure and dangerous to your health! (You could always wear a mask. Oh wait, you already did that;^) Yes, I should be doing other things…

    #81545
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    “The 50% of Americans and smaller percentages in other nations are a control group for the experimental vaccines. If something goes wrong with the vaccines, then we will be the proof. I suspect this is what the elites are really afraid of.

    “They have to force us to be vaccinated as well – ALL of us, so that there is no control group and thus no proof of what they have done. They could simply blame health disorders on covid itself, or some other false culprit..

    “Pretty good fit, I’d say.”

    The logic makes perfect sense to me as far as it goes. And it may well indeed be their plan… which is where I see pointlessness (something like multipying zero by zero thereby yielding infinite zero, a compund paradox), in this perfect logic requiring nearly perfect execution to work (I’ll assume that “ALL of us” is rhetorical, meaning something like ‘a whole bunch more of us, as many as they can get’.

    Assuming you mean, say, more than 80% or even 90% of Americans or, to be realistic, Euromericans vaccinated, which is perhaps attainable but anything but easy, we still have how many million left unvaccinated? At 10%, that’s 33 million Americans, not counting illegals. (Which issue opens a whole nuther can of worms: do we export deport all these people who do our fundamentally serious work? Work that a seriously weakened populace already mostly useless outside a cubicle farm would be hard-pressed to do and well-enough paid to make the economics work?)

    SO 10% is closer than not to 40 million people, people who relatively healthy compared to the rest of the populace, and super-angry pissed with righteous anger (the most powerful kind) at almost everyone else from gubmint/corp to Lucy the Liberal Karen vakzinazi next door who’s now unable to work but still waves the Get Vaxxed banner (a form of “armchair liberal” if you will)… this is anything but an insignificant factor, especially since this 10% will be super-heavy on hollerboyz and such, poeple generally more helpful, but also more lethal when crossed, than most of the populace.

    A bunch of gun-toting git’r’dunners, a modest minority of the populace… not unlike the size of the army that Washington (my favorite psychopathic gangster of that era) led to victory over the sillyass Brits led by some Biden wannabe named King George. Now, I am the last person to wax teahadi and beat my chest for The New American Revolution with or without a MAGA hat, but I do see this perfect plan of theirs already shredded after an all-out effort and faltering at 50%. They’re firing their last ammo with this barrage of scary Delta variant vakz drive redux as their fortress begins earnestly crumbling, their credibility is shot, and their last move after that is to use the military, which is doomed to fail, fast, maybe not even get off the ground, despite (or maybe because of) the huge amount of chickenshit passing for soldier in today’s USA Armed Farces.

    They could call in their large number of mercenaries, not an insignificant force, but history shows that resorting to them is tantamount to failure, and it only works for invasion and harrassment, not keeping the peace at home, iron boot heels notwithstanding. (Both late-stage Rome and late-stage Italy of Machiavelli’s era learned this the hard way.)

    So I find little logic, per the data and what history I know, to forecast them getting their wannabe Doc Octopoid grasp around our greasy little necks. I see them hoist by their own petard — if they’re lucky — or running a nasty gauntlet if we do it for them.

    Meanwhile, here’s relevant data:

    vax %

    Most violence happens in the home, police tell us. I try not to fear any of it cuz the game is obviously afoot and courage is now our best anti-depressant/anxiety med, but my fear is far more focused on us all having to figure it out for ourselves and make it work (after a long dreary period of figuring out that we’re on our… etc.), and how dangerously messy that is bound to be. I fear my neighbors, which is why I assiduously cultivate little friendships looking for real people. Found a real family at last. Why, of course they’re from Russia. It’s like Leave It To Beaver with a Slavic accent. They’re building a house on the edge of town where the farms begin.

    shine

    Call me corny and crazy, but I thanked God for sending them to us. Well, I been praying for awhile. Now, don’t be messing with my Magical Thinking. 😉

    Amen, Comrades!

    #81546
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    “In fact that would be why one would choose to say “Not true” rather than “You’re wrong,””

    I’d already explained that they’re tantamount to the same thing. But I am biased because this has been a trademark of Mr. House snce his first entry: I am so right; you/they are wrong. I’ll humbly (great big fucking lie alert) submit that a winky goes a long ways online. 😉

    But the interpretation I inferred is mine, is only my impression, and there are always “other things” we should be doing, but fuck ’em.;)

    #81547
    thomasjkenney
    Participant

    I was gonna comment earlier about Bokonon and the connections re: ‘common-sense types’ to Player Piano, but didn’t. I did chores and let it stew…and, BANG! Cat’s Cradle was about the difficulty of a mundane problem driving frustrated people to drastic solutions. In the book, the problem was simply mud. That’s it. The military complained that mud swallowed up an inordinate amount of equipment. Solution: teach water to stand on it’s head (form ice at ~105F/40C).

    The ‘therapy’ is not about preventing/curing. It’s simply, banally, moronically, greedily about…no more sick days.

    Still get a germ, but won’t keep you down. All around you are similarly ‘therapized’ so they don’t care. Everybody keeps working. It’s like ‘mood stabilizers’ for the immune system.

    #81548
    absolute galore
    Participant

    @cafone wrote: “How can I help you deal with your anxiety about my refusal to vakzinate?”
    This is a good suggestion, but knowing the dysfunctional personalities of my supervisors, it has no chance of success.

    I focus on how to help that particular person deal with whatever problem covid is causing.
    Focusing on helping or listening to other people is the way. It’s very simple, actually. But of course, very difficult, as Master Yu was fond of saying regarding practice.

    #81549
    thomasjkenney
    Participant

    For a little beauty on this gloomy Friday: The Other Marx

    #81550
    WES
    Participant

    So the last step is when the CDC says the vaccines don’t work and never have! They will never, of course, admit that!

    I think for young people looking to get married and start a family, they need to avoid picking any covid mRNA vaccinated partners!

    All this week I have been an electrician installing outlets, switches, lights, and a ceiling fan in the screened in porch. I am also a carpenter, plumber, BBQ cook, boat taxi driver, among other things. Jack of all trades, master of none!

    #81551
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    The face Harpo makes imitating the picture was his early trademark before they did cinema. It was an expression made by a cigar-roller in their childhood neighborhood. Rolled like a machine but made this awful ugly face.

    #81552
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    “@cafone wrote: “How can I help you deal with your anxiety about my refusal to vakzinate?”
    This is a good suggestion, but knowing the dysfunctional personalities of my supervisors, it has no chance of success.”

    Please excuse me for begging to differ, and please do consider me a bit fanatical about this, but I have to disagree. I absolutely believe that it works, but that it also is VERY difficult… at first. Doing it is like being the Dalai friggin Lama, fer Buddha’s sake. But I have seen people do it, some of them quite young.

    Unless it comes to actual physical confrontation (and even then, the best can slay with kindness), appealing to both your and their… dignity, let’s call it … with sufficient congruency (really smiling, really remaining calm, really meaning it) it is almost invincible.

    But it requires laser-like focus, the simple true stuff, as o well demonstrated by this sid-down vaudevillian entertainer:

    Sea of Green

    It happens. WIll be a major survival trait in the years before us.

    #81553
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    FINal observation: Apple Com[puters is named after Newton’s apple, a tribute to rational science.

    But there is another apple, marked by a bite (which dentition is not part of the Newton myth any more than a chainsaw is part of Washington’s cherry tree myth), an icon of evil from pride not curiosity, an icon of a fairly universal fall from grace mythos like our familiar Adam and Eve.

    Prince explores this one exquisitely, imo.

    But this is way more fun.

    One Song

    #81554
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    The Ultimate Hipster Jesus:

    jesus

    ‘I’m so old, I was into dirt even before it was underground.”

    #81555

    What “Cat’s Cradle” covered was that pragmatism and brilliant scientists make a bad merger, and this bad merger is fiercely protected by a blanket of silence and complicity. Scientists come mighty cheap. They want pampering- labs, freedom, minimal oversight, free rein. They will put up with many personal restrictions for these gifts.
    Kurt’s brother was working on cloud seeding and I think the idea of controlling weather bothered him. He admired Bernard, but making mud freeze at a higher temperature [weather control] was his comment on where such technology might be going.
    TEOTWAWKI.
    What would he have made of diddling with DNA? For $$$$? For POWER?
    I would love to read that book.

    #81556
    those darned kids
    Participant

    where, oh where, is kilgore trout when we need him?

    “You were sick, but now you’re well again, and there’s work to do.”

    (from timequake)

    #81557
    those darned kids
    Participant

    “The most exquisite pleasure in the practice of medicine comes from nudging a layman in the direction of terror, then bringing him back to safety again.”

    ― Kurt Vonnegut, God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater

    “the wheels on the bus go round and round”

    –– Verna Hills, 1939

    #81558
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    Dear Kurt was apparently crystalized by that Dresden event. It was as if he had a virtual NDE for all of humanity and the entire biosphere. It is hard not to imagine him as the reincarnatin of Mark Twain, come down again as a bodishaatva to smaer a little grace and compassion on us.

    Not half-bad as a plot device. Real life is like that: not hald bad as a plot device.

    #81559
    Archie
    Participant

    It’s the weekend so let’s have some honest fun.

    How many readers read all of THE cafone’s incessant postings and how many don’t get past the first sentence?

    How many people would like THE cafone to find another way of handling his ADHD outside of the TAE environment?

    I’m being serious! HIjacking a website and incessantly badgering, correcting and being assinine in general, is an insult to the website owner. Perhaps Ilargi will never censor or expel commenters but we the commenters have to decide what is “over the line” or ‘beyond the norm” iand encourage or discourage accordingly.

    Is Bosco THE cafone really that colorful and insightful that giving him a pass on hijacking this site is permissible? In fact, I think that Bosco THE cafone is pushing a resolution to the question.

    When I first labeled Bosco?madamski/whatever nom de plume as a true “cafone”, I meant it in the basic context of the Italian slang meaning. If you can imagine BEING Italian, then you would call him as a Gah Vooone! The meaning would intensify with the inflection in your voice.

    So, madamski/Bosco/Robin tries to neutralize the connotation by adopting the new moniker “madamski cafone”. Am I the only one seeing through this ruse? Bosco/kmadamski/whatever is truly A CAFONE with all the ridicule the epithet so richly implies.

    Or should I just resign myself to not reading comments entirely? Not a life changing decision for me either way.

    Just wondering.

    #81560
    Archie
    Participant

    I should add that having a modicum of decorum is necessary in polite society. That goes for blogs as well.

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