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    Roy Lichtenstein Forget it! Forget me! 1962   • C-19 Pandemia: Quo Vadis, Homo Sapiens? (Vanden Bossche) • Deadly Lambda Variant Could Be Vaccine
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle August 13 2021]

    V. Arnold

    Well, blow me down; my IVM and HCQ arrived today…day 9 after order…
    So, my appologies to them.
    The company delivered.
    I can’t say much for their communication abilities; but, they did deliver…


    I want to see if I can make this Image appear. Response to Doug Little deleted tweet.

    V. Arnold

    I wonder when posters will stop using TAE as their personal playground?
    The commentariat has become an echo chamber for the covid propaganda machine…
    There is far more going on in today’s world than the covid narrative; which Ilargi posts most every day.
    How about some commentary regarding Ilargi’s daily debt rattle…?
    Lets not allow ourselves to become complacent…yes…?


    V. Arnold – many of us here have had our lives heavily compromised by Covid. This includes loss of employment, inability to plan ahead in terms of business or even something as simple as holidays or schooling for young children. We here in Victoria are often under house arrest (6 times now – sometimes for months). This forum is a mental life saving exersize at times and Raul’s tireless work in bringing new and rapidly updated posts are keeping us in the loop. He has said to back off a little in the volume of posting and as a group we have strayed again but the reasons are there.
    But since you brought it up – I have been wondering how people feel about a little borrowing in these times. Raul and Nicole forewarned us all (who have been here for some time) to get our house in order and many of us have but at times some debt is required to build etc.
    How are people feeling about interest rates over the next 3-5 years? And do we really own anything now that we are all so happy?
    But seriously what are the big moves in economics ahead given everything in that space is divorced from reality?

    absolute galore

    FDACDCUSA authorize boosters for people with transplants:

    “This action is about ensuring our most vulnerable … are better protected against COVID-19,” Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said ahead of the FDA’s announcement.

    No, Rochelle. You are lying. This action is the first in a series designed to roll out the Booster to everyone everywhere on earth forever.

    Tucker rips You Tube:

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    In case the embed did not work, here is a link that should
    This is a clip of last night's program. He apparently has Glenn Greenwald as a guest again, talking about You Tube and censorship.


    V. Arnold has taken me on a good ride, thanks for that. Money (debt) has allowed ‘claims’ that are no way payable in any future economy. These debts (claims) will have to be destroyed as there is no way to pay them and although Covid is #helping we need more death or at the the very least waaaaaay more austerity to even try to recoup – (why anyone would give a #!$! about Wallstreet etc. IDK)
    The other way to go would be to destroy the value of the money itself with inflation or totalitarian style rationing.
    I am thinking this through because it feels like monetary destruction is a fourth horse whose dust I can see over the hills and it brings a cold wind. Perhaps wood – cut and stored (5-10 years worth) is the new coin of the realm when fuel gets pricey?
    Thoughts and strategies – I am wondering what Armstrong would say about the next 10 years? I am pretty sure it would at least mention lower density living as a good recommendation.

    absolute galore

    Regarding confirmation bias, a nifty brain pickings look at “The Fine Art of Baloney Detection,” a chapter in Carl Sagan’s book, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark. In it he provides a “kit” — several series of questions– to sniff out the baloney:

    The kit is brought out as a matter of course whenever new ideas are offered for consideration. If the new idea survives examination by the tools in our kit, we grant it warm, although tentative, acceptance. If you’re so inclined, if you don’t want to buy baloney even when it’s reassuring to do so, there are precautions that can be taken; there’s a tried-and-true, consumer-tested method.

    Extra bonus!:
    In addition to teaching us what to do when evaluating a claim to knowledge, any good baloney detection kit must also teach us what not to do. It helps us recognize the most common and perilous fallacies of logic and rhetoric. Many good examples can be found in religion and politics, because their practitioners are so often obliged to justify two contradictory propositions.

    A list of 20 common fallacies follows. In honor of Friday the 13th, here is #13:

    meaningless question (e.g., What happens when an irresistible force meets an immovable object? But if there is such a thing as an irresistible force there can be no immovable objects, and vice versa)

    Happy Friday (the 13th)!

    Mister Roboto

    Giving a certain commentor who I shall not name so much undue attention might help with the posting volume, IMHO.

    absolute galore

    I accidentally deleted a portion of my comment relating to the Tucker Carlson Youtube takedown. It leads up to his guest for the show, who he has interviewed in the past. He has on Glenn Greenwald to talk about his new video platform, Rumble. That portion of the show requires membership. I’m seriously thinking about it. Despite his sometimes juvenile and snide asides (and his weird laugh and hairdo) he is one of the few reaching a wider audience who is bringing some of the truth to light.

    My turning to Tucker Carlson is a refutation of the idea that we only seek sources that confirm our current position. As the events of the past decade have unfolded, and as I have delved deeper into our energy situation, our financial system, and our economy, I have come to change many of my long-held beliefs and assumptions, and I can see more clearly how information is manipulated, how we are primed to believe fabrications.

    Does that make me more prone to fall victim to extremes on the “other” end of the scale? I like to think not. I have often spoken out against promoting unverifiable or illogical info posted here in support of some of our broader viewpoints, with the argument that it actually does much more harm than good in terms of bolstering a particular position.

    From reading TAE commentary over time, I suspect many of the contributors here have been on a similar journey.

    Dr. D

    “Shippers Frantic after China’s Busiest Port Shuts Container Terminal Due to Covid”

    As China’s military embargo and blockade on America continues. Yawn. And if we blockade them all our food exports due to Covid? Oops.

    Unironically, Biden warns about high gas prices, but they make fun of the very IDEA of inflation – especially in mayo – while there are food shortages in major restaurants and sellers worldwide, and they’re printing $6T budgets and dropping $40+ B a month in Fed purchases and $1T a night to keep rates down.

    Nothing to see here! I’m sure it will all end well. Haven’t you heard from The Atlantic? Raging inflation is all a GOOD thing. It means it’s all working! Shortages too! Just like Covid: if you get it, it means your vaccine is working! If you die, while having taken the vaccine that protects you, just remember how much worse it would be if you hadn’t!

    Wish I were kidding. You can’t make up this brain-soup. It takes a lifetime where every word in decades is a lie, to melt logic and intelligence this thoroughly.

    “Plunging Crop Supplies Send Prices Soaring and Reignite Food Inflation Fears, WASDE Reports”

    Meanwhile, in England, the Pingdemic stops perfectly healthy people from processing food. KFC stops having food. Citizens helpfully call the police on them.

    That’s not just there, in California, a major food warehouse, also filled with healthy, asymptomatic people was closed, shutting off food to 800 groceries in the West. Food’s all there. You can’t get it. We don’t care, we like it. Go die in a hole.

    Tyson Employees Walk Off Job to Protest Vaccine Mandate”

    Clearly people hate eating. Or hate to see OTHER people, poor people eating. Blue intellectuals in Blue cities super cheerful watching this. NBC Editorial: “Is it time for Democrats to give up on the Working (white) class?” Cluephone: That ship sailed decades ago. The working poor are red.

    “Fauci Confirms “Likely, Inevitable” Everyone Will Need COVID Vaccine Booster Shot”

    The guy who can’t get half the people to take the FIRST shot is saying he’s going to force all the people to take the THIRD shot. Of 50. Okey dokey. Add it to your unending CV of pure unmitigated embarrassment and failure.

    “San Fran becomes First Major City Requiring Vaccinations for Most Indoor Activities”

    This city of medieval diseases, where every street is covered in needles and human s—t, they really care about your health. Honest! Why would we lie?

    Speaking of lie: …Oops, my brain just froze up, since EVERYTHING everywhere in the news, all subjects, all people are covered in that category. …But speaking of lie: anyone hear about that mysterious WHOLE TANKER SHIP, “hijacked by Iran”? No? Wheredatgo? You mean it was a LIE, trying to cause WWIII and have the U.S. die at behest of Israel again? Like back when they tried to fabricate something with our spyplanes crossing over the Iranian border? Or the other tanker attacks this year? Why bother even looking? This same s—t has been going on since before I was born. So bored.

    Yeah, the mixing ADE and VDB’s virus selection thesis is the kind of thing that discredits dissenters as uneducated cranks. You know, cause WE can be discredited, but everyone from Fauci to W. to Zucker, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Powell, Clapper, OPCW, Wells Fargo, and every other cretin who ever crawled out from under a rock to murder everyone is NOT discredited. Or discreditable. I guess we all just love murder too, too much. Mistakes only matter when it’s NOT establishment billionaires and NeoLibs/Cons/Feudalists who make them.

    Nevertheless, don’t make them. We’re going to need ADE to be very clear quite soon I fear.

    “Wakeup Call: Pfizer Vax only 42% Effective Against Infection in July (ZH)”

    That’s odd: Iceland said the efficacy was ZERO. We don’t trust Iceland now? Scandinavian miracle medical systems are no good anymore?

    “Half of America Values Vaccine Mandates, COVID Passports over Freedom (SN)”

    Very much doubt it’s half. Since when have poll numbers been right? The Nixon Administration? If this were true, it would be the first true thing they’ve said in 20 years.

    “Break their Spirit.” Yeah, we’ve heard that before. How humane. Because when YOU have the vaccine, and you and everyone you know are now perfectly safe, that’s how you act. Um…did they ask anyone? Because if you go to a hospital it’s literally illegal as well as unethical to force this. You can deny care, walk out, and eat a cheeseburger while snorting meth.

    “A Day in the Death of British Justice (John Pilger)”

    “UK Government Sued (Again) Over Hotel Quarantine Rules”
    …putting people who test negative for COVID-19 and have been vaccinated into managed hotel quarantine is “an ‘unlawful deprivation of liberty’ and violates fundamental human rights.”

    Ya think?

    When will we sideline Covid? I’m sick of talking about it and would like it to be a 20% topic, since we’ve already established it’s a cover-up to the 80% problem: the debt collapse and risk to billionaires of losing control of the money-empire ship of state. Thereafter being arrested and hung. For things like…er…um…gain-of function bioweapons that escape and kill a million people? So why bother? Nothing they’ve said so far has had anything to do with science or the virus anyway. Certainly that’s abundantly proven in Australia, if not with all the young worldwide.

    However, the collapse is on hold for a bit, and CV is the topic presented and commented on here.
    Everyone’s in a holding pattern, as they don’t want to be blamed for causing the inevitable, and will start action again as soon as Biden and economy go poof. Top proofs on that: $1T/day and still rising to duct tape the system together, worse than the day before, and the election audit that is so clean everyone will go to jail rather than review anything. Saw that with Sam Seder and now Jimmy Kimmel hard-hitting investigation that Mike Lindell mispronounced a word! Can you believe this guy? And we trust someone who mispronounces WORDS with presenting election audits to the public? Well I should say!
    See? That proves it’s false. I rest my case.

    This is the state of intelligence and debate between sides right now. So which is the side of the angels? The side that openly presents and debates what they think is important? Or the side that doesn’t bother, mocks evidence and discussion, remaining holy and free from earthly soil?

    There are more embarrassments than hours in the day, but top Idiocracy reporter just ran “MayoGate”. Yes, prices are rising! And that’s a GOOD thing! Except when Raleigh-Durham reports prices of mayo rose $200/wk. Then it’s insaaaaaaaaaaaaane. Made-up. Stoooopid. ‘Cause who eats $200/wk in mayo, duh? …Um, a larger-sized restaurant maybe? Everywhere in the western world? But as these are trust-fund children who went to Yale and Columbia and never worked a day in their sorry pointless lives, they’ve never seen the back-side of a restaurant, or indeed any other place of employment.

    Math? Call CISCO on the phone and ask industrial prices. $20/5 gal? Okay, how many does the average place buy a week? What’s that? 5 units? And what you say? Beef, eggs, mayo have DOUBLED over last few months, perhaps since Biden got in, and there’s no chicken at Taco Bell or UK’s KFC at all?

    Yes, that’s $200/wk in price rises. It’s called a “Telephone.” They’re so old President Grant had one and Reporters used to know what it was used for. So this good thing/bad thing, that doesn’t matter but it does, that’s also true, but false, is stupid for the GOP to re-tweet, except high prices are good, so we should thank them. While making fun of them, for being wrong/right.

    Got it? Who’s in the cult? Those who get, present, and discuss information, or those who mock, belittle, and refuse information?

    Even if they’re wrong, I’ll be on the side of getting, presenting, and freely discussing information. While fighting for your rights. As you cripple, refuse, trample, and destroy mine. You’re welcome.


    “Passport to your soul.
    Opening the door to vaccine passports could lead to years of oppression.”


    Ooops – this was back in March.

    “Why ADE Hasn’t Been a Problem With COVID Vaccines
    — Even with new variants, it’s unlikely antibody-dependent enhancement will be an issue.”



    “Stanford University announced Wednesday it would require weekly Covid testing for students, regardless of their vaccination status.”


    “Chairman of the Danish political party wins court case:
    The government can not demand anyone to take a PCR test, because the announcement/executive order is inferior in legal standing to alienable rights and the Constitution.”


    Safe and Effective:




    “The implications of face masks for babies and families during the COVID-19
    pandemic: A discussion paper”



    “Infection-enhancing anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies recognize both the original Wuhan/D614G strain and Delta variants. A potential risk for mass vaccination ?”


    “Professor Sunetra Gupta of Oxford University explains herd immunity, highlighting critical details about both the concept and its relevance to the COVID-19 pandemic that are often overlooked in public discussion”

    CG Mini-Lectures: Herd Immunity


    Unbelievable disinformation:

    “Why COVID-19 Vaccines Offer Better Protection Than Infection”

    madamski cafone

    In a de facto meaningless global culture, any lens large enough will dominate the view. Covid is such a lens, and it has dominated world affairs like nothing since WWII. China shuts down “a container terminal in China’s busiest marine transportation hub which was forced to close after a coronavirus case emerged, as the pandemic strains global supply amid rising retail orders.”

    It was “forced” to. The virus has special powers.


    Maybe the road to an easier mind is a looser attachment to staying alive. That’s what I’ m going for (not sure how it will work out- nature’s survival imperative has a way of over-ruling my plans). Watched a beautiful night sky last night – in spite of a humid day, the sky was clear, showing so many beautiful stars.


    TAE makes it impossible to be happy.
    TAE makes it impossible to be satisfied.
    TAE makes it impossible to be ignorant.
    TAE makes it impossible to be wise.
    TAE makes it impossible to decide.
    TAE makes it impossible to wear blinkers.
    TAE makes it impossible to be part of the herd.

    D Benton Smith

    Are we unwashed masses a viral pathogen infecting the body poltic of the elite, or are they a fatally dangerous experimental vaccine in ours?

    I’m not altogether sure, but the immune response sure is looking like a cytokine storm capable of killing either or both.

    Of course there is always the third possibility : the disease settles into a bloody standoff where the sum total political body (humanity as a whole) struggles along a just little while longer, with a highly compromised (but not quite yet terminal) politicized immune system.

    Just Some Randomer

    Hi all. Long time reader here, but experienced something of a ‘Road to Damascus’ moment recently on the subject of the Covid story and the official response to it and, inding myself without any real-world audience likely to even hear me out, I cast myself on the mercy of the joint and several intellects that make up the TAE community, and humbly ask you to consider whether the following makes any sense.

    1. ‘Covid-19’ leaving aside the arguments about whether it actually exists, appears to be a relatively harmless coronavirus to which a Spike protein has been attached, most likely in a lab. This Spike protein makes the virus more infectious to humans and also provides a unique target, because it does not exist in natural viruses, for vaccine developers to aim at.

    2. All of the vaccines produced to date, regardless of the underlying technology, target this Spike protein specifically and seek to produce antibodies that will bind to it. These antibodies then do what they are supposed to do and kill the Covid virus – because, per #1 above – it’s fairly harmless.

    3. So far, so good, leaving aside the various side-effects associated with the vaccine. A very large proportion of the population now has an immune system primed to identify and bind to the Spike protein, and in most cases their Covid symptoms are mild.

    Now we enter the realm of the hypothetical. What we seem to have done here is created a mechanism, analogous to the sort of ‘Back-Door’ into software systems that the CIA is so fond of, meaning that literally anything attached to a Spike protein will alert the immune system of vaccinated individuals and trigger a response. So – what happens if the next Spike-ey virus does NOT have a fairly harmless and easily dealt-with payload?

    Suppose that in the future, Dr. Evil (or natural viral mutation) releases an honest-to-goodness viral menace – a really dangerous viral payload attached to a spike protein? Is it not the case that vaccinated people’s keyed-up immune response will identify and bind antibodies in large numbers to the Spike protein, but then find that it’s incapable of actually killing the virus to which the Spike is attached? Will this not result in the virus invading the cells of the immune system and using them as a means to reproduce itself, i.e. ADE?

    Have we not, inadvertently or otherwise, installed a single point of failure in the immune systems of all vaccinated individuals? Have we not just created an antibody ‘Key’ which any virus possessing a Spike protein similar to Covid can use to invade the body?

    Someone of a cynical nature might even suspect that this Trojan Horse virus was created specifically to enable the creation and near-universal distribution of this key, which could be used at a later date when selectively thinning the herd (I suspect the creators themselves would be fine) becomes an imperative.

    madamski cafone

    “Are we unwashed masses a viral pathogen infecting the body poltic of the elite, or are they a fatally dangerous experimental vaccine in ours?”

    Who came first, the chicken or the egg?

    Homer SImpson: Heh. You said who came first. Heh.

    Clenis: Heh. You said who came first. Heh.


    Here is very thoughtful article by David Fuller, who finds himself directly in the middle of the Brett Weinstein/FLCCC debate. It is well written, fair, and contains some insights that might benefit us all.

    “The narrative of the heroic rebel fighting orthodoxies seems to seduce many of those who are intensely sceptical about mainstream narratives into blind acceptance of heterodox claims.

    We all need to be much more open about the warping effects of the media platforms we are using, and self-reflective about the dynamics that our audiences and incentives create.”

    On Bret Weinstein, Alternative Media, Ivermectin and Vaccine-Related Controversies

    On Bret Weinstein, Alternative Media, Ivermectin and Vaccine-Related Controversies


    And here is David Fuller’s longer investigative article as referenced in the Areo article I posted above. Both are worth a read and some contemplation. People here asked how you find any truth in a world where both sides think the other is completely wrong. This article and the Areo article attempt to begin that conversation:

    madamski cafone

    Putting aside things like honesty and motive, the logic of trusting a Reliable Source assumes that said source is right all or almost all of the time… which is absurd as absurd can be. At its peak, Scientific American wasn’t this reliable.

    No one on this forum is even 90% reliable except in narrow zones, and that is probably pushing it.

    But we like central beacons.


    Illustrative example: Mormons are taught to follow the path created by Joseph Smith. Joe became a prophet by asking which church he should follow.

    “None,” said God.

    So Mormons proceed to all follow one faith, that of Joe Smith, rather than find their own. Follow the leader, not the path the leader pointed out.

    Eyes looking at the finger not the moon at which it is pointing.

    madamski cafone

    “These antibodies then do what they are supposed to do and kill the Covid virus – because, per #1 above – it’s fairly harmless.”

    Virulence is often a function of where a bug likes to grow and what it eats/makes in the process. ‘Harmful bug’ does not necessarily mean ‘tough on antibodies’.

    Just Some Randomer

    Virulence is often a function of where a bug likes to grow and what it eats/makes in the process. ‘Harmful bug’ does not necessarily mean ‘tough on antibodies’.

    A valid observation, perhaps I could rephrase the point as ‘…per #1 above – it’s fairly easy to kill’ in which case one of the parameters of my hypothetical future virus would have to be that it has characteristics that make it difficult for the immune system to handle, as well as being harmful.

    Mr. House

    ..a relatively harmless coronavirus to which a Spike protein has been attached, most likely in a lab…

    All coronaviruses have spike proteins. It’s where they get their name.



    By calling an article “fair” and “very thoughtful”, you disqualify it; you should know how that works. Why do it? Whenever someone heaps together “Bret Weinstein, Alternative Media, Ivermectin and Vaccine-Related Controversies”, I’m out, because I know where they come from. Saves time.

    those darned kids

    deflationista: are you vaccinated? i’ve never asked anybody that question, but i’m asking you now. i think you can surmise as to why.


    This morning, the sun rose above the mountain, a firery, blood red, barely visible in a smoky haze.
    We are still here. We are lucky.

    Spacetime is a mathematical construct where events cannot be distinguished from being in 3d space or in time.
    ( location/duration)

    madamski cafone

    “A Fox News poll contends that a majority of Americans are in SUPPORT of vaccine mandates and the introduction of COVID passports that tie freedoms to vaccination status. The survey found that 50 percent of respondents are in favour of requiring proof of a coronavirus vaccine for “indoor activities such as restaurants, gyms and performances,” while 46% oppose the idea. “

    I’m reminded of 911, the war on terror, civil liberties, the Patriot Act, authorizing torture, etc. But back then, almost all of the problems created were overseas. After awhile, they started coming here, beginning with men and women broken in the wars. But it gave us a nice array of enemies out there to focus on rather than deal with ourselves and our commonwealth.

    With the war on covid, the problems begin here, immediately, and like the war on terror, only grow worse. But it gives us a nice array of enemies out there to focus on rather than deal with ourselves and our commonwealth.

    We can hate Saddam Hussein or the mediaplex telling us to hate him. We can hate molecular nanobots called viruses or the mediaplex telling us to hate them.

    Covid is rapidly running out of steam as an Oaficial Narrative. Whom shall we hate next?

    Because we’ve got to hate some-one/thing Out There: it’s the only thing we can fully agree on.


    Both taken from the cnbc article in today’s rattle …

    What passes for science now: “Studies suggest that a third vaccine shot might help patients whose immune systems don’t respond as well to a first or second dose.”

    What passes for public health policy now: “Covid vaccine makers, including Pfizer and Moderna, have repeatedly argued that everyone will eventually need a booster shot and potentially extra doses every year, just like for the seasonal flu. Pfizer has said it plans to ask the FDA to authorize boosters as it sees signs of waning immunity.”

    madamski cafone

    Evil or stupid = insane: doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

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