October 26, 2021 at 8:51 am #90845Raúl Ilargi MeijerKeymaster
M. C. Escher Relativity Lattice 1953 • Who Will They Blame When Everyone is Vaccinated? • Concerns About Suboptimal Vaccine Antibodies Erasing
[See the full post at: Debt Rattle October 26 2021]October 26, 2021 at 8:59 am #90846
Piers Robinson on Covid PropagandaOctober 26, 2021 at 9:00 am #90847
This was posted to the New Zealand Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern’s page
by a person named Jo Wright :
Of all the vaccines I have taken in my life like Tetanus shots, measles, mumps, polio, meningitis, TB shots, etc…
Never have I heard so many lies and deceptions over a vaccine that says I have to wear a mask and socially distance even when fully vaccinated, and that I could still contract or spread the virus even after being fully vaccinated.
Never had to get tested when I was perfectly healthy without any symptoms whatsoever.
Never been bribed by the establishments to take the vaccine in order to win a holiday and/or cash prizes or earn frequent flyer points.
I never had to worry about cardiac issues, neurological disorders, blood clots and sadly more! Didn’t even have to worry about death.
Never was I ever THREATENED by the use of FORCE by the Government, Employers, Police force, and Military for a vaccine as seen overseas.
I was never judged by my friends or relatives if I didn’t take it. I was never discriminated against for travel or other regular services to a point where I could not buy or sell without it.
The vaccines I have listed above never told me I was a bad person for not taking them or for even taking them for that matter.
I have never seen a vaccine that threatened the relationship between my family members and/or close friends to a point of destroying my relationships with them ever.
Never have I seen it used for political gain.
Never seen a vaccine needing 24/7 mass media advertising and promotion on every media outlet known to man.
Then there’s mixing and matching different vaccine brands and being told it’s okay to do it one day and then told the next day to not do it (overseas)
I have never seen a vaccine threaten someone’s livelihood, as well as wipe out their jobs.
I have never seen a vaccine that allows a 12-year-old child’s consent to supersede their parent’s consent (that one alone blows me away).
Finally, after all the vaccines (jab, shots) I listed above, I have never seen a vaccine like this one that discriminates, divides, and judges a society. So much information is censored, deleted, and removed from the internet and mainstream media!
So many doctors, health care professionals, police and scientists are censored and forbidden to speak out or ask legitimate questions when what is being allowed or not allowed does not make sense!
Particularly when it comes from mainstream media. I have never known a vaccine that has made all the Pharmaceutical companies that manufacture it exempt from liability if it kills everyone to a point where no life insurance will cover it!
This is one powerful vaccine guys! It does all these things above that I have mentioned and yet? It does NOT do the one thing it is supposed to do which is ……. ?October 26, 2021 at 9:01 am #90848
When a student under the charge of one of these headteachers is injured, or dies, as a result of these jabs, then they will then realise why these papers were served on them, and why it was video recorded.
Love the use of the word “sinister” – blaming the other for what you are, in fact, guilty of yourself! Classic.October 26, 2021 at 9:03 am #90849
The real Vaccine Passport agenda.
It’s not about a virus.October 26, 2021 at 9:04 am #90850
Sir Christopher Chope MP:
“Our hospitals have got a large number of in-patients who are only there because those patients took the vaccine.”October 26, 2021 at 10:22 am #90851
Hold New Zealanders in you thoughts.October 26, 2021 at 11:05 am #90852StarfishParticipant
I‘ve been thinking about that „Dads on Duty“ video from a few days ago and why that is so touching.
Back in the comments, somebody mentioned that these dads also should lead by example and lose a few pounds… Which is correct, of course, but that is exactly the point:
These guys aren‘t superheroes.
They‘re not former marines. They‘re not successful businessmen or lawyers.
The universe didn‘t throw rainbow shit and sparking unicorns at them.
They obviously carry their own stuff around with them, some of it quite literally.
And despite all this, they do the right thing and show up for their kids and for their community.
If these guys can do it, everybody can.October 26, 2021 at 11:27 am #90853Michael ReidParticipant
We are truly in an information war that is killing people and we are losing. Society is divided into two groups:
The Normals (follow government instruction because they trust)
(do own research concluding government instruction is flawed and dangerous to their health and freedom)
Germ posted in #90782
As a person in the Awake group with all of my friends and family in the Normal group I am at the point where sharing the above video with them no longer works. We no longer share the same worldview. The Awake are losing this war. The future has never been more uncertain from my perspective.
Yet there is still hope things may move in a more positive directionOctober 26, 2021 at 12:41 pm #90854RedParticipant
@ Micheal Reid
Agreed! Same issue here for me, (Nova Scotia), lost all hope for a speedy realization of the con. Time to start the underground market I guess. If the failings we see else where in the west, by the years end it should be getting quite interesting here in Canada as well.
Great letter to NZ’s supreme leader wraps it up fairly well.October 26, 2021 at 12:45 pm #90855expatkiwiParticipant
More on Original Antigenic Sin and the Folly of Our Universal Vaccination Campaign
A deeper look at a decisive limitation of our adaptive immune systems.
https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/more-on-original-antigenic-sin-andOctober 26, 2021 at 1:19 pm #90856Saul GoodmanParticipant
Well, unfortunately today is the last day for me to get a shot or start the process of losing my job. I am no John Day. I stated before I am a father to 3 youngsters and my wife has been staying at home to insulate our children from having to be raised by someone else. I made the choice to get the JnJ with all the information I learned here. The protocal of taking OTC meds, vitmains, using the right arm, asperating the needle, etc all should make more 100x’s more prepared than most people who walk in.
Thanks to this group for all the information and time spent sorting this out. I told my boss the other day that boosters will be next, and send him what the CDC director said the other day about needing to consider redefining what it means to be vaxxed. He said if that happens he will put his tin foil hat on and join in the protests (as he doesn’t think a booster is needed). He means well and it really is out of his hands too.
Unfortunately my skills are in business development (sales) so its a role that is on the go. I am one of those ethical sales people too, which makes me good, not most of the douches you encounter.October 26, 2021 at 1:26 pm #90857
“China has been building gold bullion stores since around 1980, and they are probably bigger than what is admitted, maybe several times bigger. This might be revealed when the $US appears weak, to support a global reserve currency, perhaps backed by gold, which would serve Chinese interests. China sees the US as morally degenerate,”
Yes, however, “China
seespays trillions to MAKE the US as morally degenerate,” They cannot win an open war, their planners say.
Also, the U.S. has been up to something for a long time. Although gold, mining at only 3%/yr is a stable proven currency, there are manyfold times more gold than admitted. Obviously, if you think about it. China would revalue gold given extreme conditions like Evergrande collapse to take advantage of that, as is constant in financial history. And the U.S. has no gold. Presumably. We have “deep storage” gold that is the mines we haven’t opened yet. Literally on the books of the Fed. Products we haven’t created or started to create yet are “inventory.” Meh, less fraud than Tesla, Morgan, and the SEC.
Okay, why? Because back when, (1913?) we became aware that there was ALWAYS more gold than we thought, and since it’s above ground, there’s no pratical solution to that. And we, the U.S., took a vicious hit when the 49ers flooded the economy with gold (and after, but…). So gold isn’t ‘stable’, it’s more dangerous than it appears, and in history they topple empires in rotation, paper to gold to silver to paper to gold… Positioning for decades, having governments then enact “solutions” that drive that “Cross of gold” up 20x, then in that flip buy up the next in rotation, then buy more governments, on forever.
…This takes longer than I thought. Okay, so why? The U.S. is now dead in every way, will lose the war, lose the US$, collapse, blah blah blah. So…what about silver? Silver is 16:1 gold for 2,000 years, we have paper and gold in play, both collapsing the US$. So what about silver?
There is none. China doesn’t have it either. We are using it, there is no storage, it is direct-demand only, from the mine face to the chip makers. It been in shortage for years, decades perhaps. Hmm. So…
Who owns the silver mines? Mexico, but among others, the United States. Say, how does that fit into our US$ problems, our financial system, constitution, etc.??? Silver is money. Not gold, as defined by the Constitution. So it will keep Wall Street happy and buying Congressmen? No. Without fraud and hypothecation, those methods will stop and establish a (mostly) sound money system. Wizard of Oz?
So gold holds price, let’s say, $5k, $10k, whatever. Silver goes to 1:1 gold price. All paper promises, debt, vaporizes in comparison. Who wins? Those with high debt, check. Those with enormous hundred year silver mines, check. It becomes the new petrodollar based on long-term shortage of tech silver, instead of carbon, check.
So they’re not wrong, but there’s more. “IS” the West defeating itself? Is it? Or do SOME parts of the West have plans against OTHER parts of the West? That is, Constitutionalists, anti-empire, (and being not Empire therefore dirty “Nationalists”) against CIA/CCP/Money interests. Plans that have been running a long, long time, at least since 1971, and probably 1963.
If “China” causes this to happen, as an act of their war against us, I’ll shake their hand.
“The Age of Exterminations (VI): The Great Famine to Come (Ugo Bardi)”
This was always their PLAN, not “Prediction.” How do I know? We have enormous oil resources that would blow this immediately. Iran is just one. Yemen, as the oil doesn’t stop a mile from the Saudi border. Leviathan. Cyprus. Cuba is not drilled, nor the East and West coasts, none of Siberia, hardly the Arctic, we know there is technical oil too deep off Brazil. Also in the Gulf Deepwater Horizon. Yet “we have no oil”. …Other than all the oil we locked up with sanctions and exploration bans that is. Which seems like half of it.
Again, MONEY system moving FROM oil. It’s going TO electric, and therefore silver. He is right about the planned mass famine though. We see it in halting all farming (water) and stopping food shipments in CA. Voluntarily. On purpose. No reason. The poor all die at home! Yaaaaayyyyyy! I’m a Senator, and I approve this message.
“Comcast Refuses Pfizer Adverse Effects Ad at Last Minute (GP)”
Sounds like they need an uncensorable internet, perhaps on crypto. Preferably one we can participate in and make money on.
Tesla. …Exists solely by (illegally) burning shorts. The SEC approves. If I were Tesla I’d pay Hertz to pretend to buy my cars, make money on STOCK, not the cars, use the money to buy more SEC regulators and every Senator, then like Boeing each GDP quarter, quietly cancel and “adjust” the orders. To 10k, not 100k.
Like Max Keiser says, “Fraud is the business model. If you got rid of the fraud, there wouldn’t BE a U.S. economy.”
Assange: I hope they do lift the extradition ban – it’s been too long already. Getting him under oath and in front on Congress should be a national priority.
“Border Patrol To Fire Up To 5,000 Agents Over Vaccine Mandate (OAN)”
I mean, this is said before, but Agents need vaccines but immigrants don’t? And one of them is spread widely over the nation using tax dollars?
“I think you have got to make it clear that we are not going to go back into lockdown – “But if you don’t have proof of vaccination when you go into a club or a restaurant…”
Sounds like a lockdown. Open mouth: lie comes out.
“Australia Plans to Force Parental Consent for Minors on Social Media” –CNN
Are you kidding me?
“Anti-Biden ‘Let’s Go Brandon’ Song Censored On Social Media, #1 On iTunes (JTN)”
Somebody said the young are the ones who will Robespierre and round people up for the camps. Are they?
Why does everyone just lie about everything? What makes “corruption” “capitalism”? Just because you said so? I mean, is this in the dictionary or do you just say things? (don’t ask Merriam Websters)
Okay, in “capitalism” – again, merely the creation and ownership of private property – who owns the nation’s natural resources? The Nation, maybe? And so if you have the SALE of those resources, the transfer of them, then the price needs to be set and the profits dispersed to the owners? And did they do this? And why not? Uh, because of corruption? But do you go take action, identify and arrest the specific criminals involved in the theft? No you do not. You say “capitalism” — ding! cold prickly word — and therefore let them all go off with the People’s ill-gotten gains, generation after generation. No wonder the oligarchs support it: using their, wrong, inaccurate definition you just let them rob the bank! I can do this all day and you’ll never arrest me, you’ll arrest this abstract “capitalism,” who can’t be arrested. Joy and rapture.
Was a crime committed? Yes. Do we prosecute crimes in Capitalism? Yes. Because “Property”? Yes. Next question. In Socialism you can say nothing. It is not distributed as seen in all Socialist systems worldwide. There is no right of the people to anything and you’ll be shot. They SAY it’s for the people, take most for lavish Party Dinners, and if “you’re not happy” you won’t be at all. In the “West” they mostly just annoy you and call you names.
An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development occurs through the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market.”
A “Free” market, unrigged minute by minute by government and central banks? Where the means of production are owned — but also controlled — by private, non-government entities? When was the last time government wasn’t interfering in every nut and screw, shutting off all shipping in the nation’s largest port? The “Accumulation of profit”? Yes, but also it’s dispersement in bankruptcy. According to law, not politics? Yes, according to law not Senator blowhard and Fed chief front-running his own investment by millions. Huh.October 26, 2021 at 1:35 pm #90858
Michael Reid wrote: We are truly in an information war that is killing people and we are losing. Society is divided into two groups:
I’ve been writing a weekly column for my local paper since April of last year. I only missed one week–because the general manager refused to publish the column. He somehow felt it expressed negativity toward the vaccines. This was late September, when the FDA advisory committee came out against boosters for the entire population. All I did was report this fact, and the fact that some doctors and scientists were calling for a more comprehensive approach toward dealing with the virus. All sources were actually mainstream. The theme of the piece was the various “wars” we’ve declared. My conclusion was meant to warn against this separation into two groups.
I pasted the whole thing here about a month ago. Here are a few excerpts, seeing as how my regular readers never got to see it:
Americans like to declare war on things we want to eliminate. There was the War on Poverty announced by Lyndon B. Johnson back in 1964 as part of the envisioned Great Society. In 1971 Richard Nixon declared a War on Drugs. We’re also waging wars on Fat, Terror, Cash, and Information. Then there is the all-encompassing existential War on Reality being fought on the battlegrounds of the various media, both mainstream and social. The most recent war to be announced is the War on Covid. This latest war is also a global war.
Unfortunately, most of these wars don’t seem to be going all that well.
The War on Fat was declared over by Time magazine in 2014, but that hasn’t been due to its successful conclusion. In 1980, with an obesity rate at about 15% and heart attacks rising, the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) issued its first dietary guidelines, which heavily emphasized carbs and avoided cholesterol and fat of all sorts. Today the obesity rate is hovering around 40%. In that same time period, type II diabetes in the population went from about 5.5million to just over 25 million cases. A big reason was the food industry jumping in to help with processed “low fat”foods and lots of high fructose corn syrup.
From the 2014 Time article:
“We were embarking on a ‘vast nutritional experiment,’ as the skeptical president of the National Academy of Sciences, Philip Handler, put it in 1980. But with nearly a million Americans a year dropping dead from heart disease by the mid-’80s, we had to try something.
Nearly four decades later, the results are in: the experiment was a failure. We cut the fat, but by almost every measure, Americans are sicker than ever.”
These are stressful times. It would behoove us to listen to each other carefully. Whatever our particular beliefs, we all want to stay healthy and flourish. As Ruskin noted, “Wealth is Life.” We might dial back the war mentality, especially when it comes to relations with our neighbors. “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand” Matthew 12.25October 26, 2021 at 1:40 pm #90859
The IMG upload interface is hit or miss for me. Trying a different url:October 26, 2021 at 1:51 pm #90860
…. and the winner is ….
Vaccine Immunity VS Natural Immunity System
Motivators (Gem #90847 This is one powerful vaccine guys!) VS Natural Immunity System
Money VS Natural Immunity System
Lies VS Natural Immunity System
Fear of Death (Vaccine) VS Natural Immunity System (Life/adapt/adjust/coexist)October 26, 2021 at 2:03 pm #90861
Covid/vaccine headlines from today’s NYT:
F.D.A. Panel Considers Pfizer Shot for Younger Children
Federal officials hope the pediatric dose can help close a major gap in the nation’s vaccine campaign. Here’s the latest on the pandemic.
The Morning: Covid-19 cases have been falling in every region of the U.S., offering hope.
Business updates: Days from its Nov. 1 deadline, Tyson Foods said that 96 percent of its U.S. workers were vaccinated.
Vaccines for Young Kids May Be Coming. An Expert Explains Why That Matters.
Here’s what happens next if an F.D.A. panel recommends pediatric Covid shots.
Long Covid and the Blind Spots of American Medicine
This Flu Season Is Different. Here’s How to Prepare.
My Kid Fears Shots. How Can We Prepare for the Covid Vaccine?
Is It Covid-19 or the Flu?
Are we ready for a pandemic novel? Gary Shteyngart thinks so, and is getting heavy praise for his attempt.
(considering most of the reporting is already fictionalized, Gary is a bit behind….)
This last one, I actually decided to click on (by copying the headline and searching “incognito”). Wow. It sure is counter to a lot of the information we receive here on TAE. From that standpoint, it is an extremely insidious piece of MSM covid vaccine propaganda. I’m pasting below:
‘There’s Almost No Incentive at All to Give Him the Vaccine.’
Oct. 25, 2021
By Jessica Calarco
Dr. Calarco is a professor of sociology at Indiana University. She has been leading a research study involving surveys and interviews of 250 mothers of young children, whose vaccination decisions she has tracked since 2018.
Before the Covid-19 pandemic, a mother I interviewed as part of my study on pandemic parenting said, she never had a problem with vaccines. Her 2-year-old son got all his recommended immunizations on schedule. When it comes to the Covid-19 vaccines, however, the mother, who is white and has a college degree, says she isn’t so sure.
“I just feel there’s almost no incentive at all to give him the vaccine,” she said. “Even if there was like no risk to it. It just seems why would we even get it for him? If he were to get it, he would be able to heal pretty quick. And it’s unlikely that he would spread it to others.” (All the mothers agreed to take part in this research on condition of anonymity.)
Vaccination for younger children could be available very soon, and while many parents have longed for it, there’s a substantial group of parents who are uncertain. A recent report from the Kaiser Family Foundation found that only a third of parents with children ages 5 to 11 say they will vaccinate their children right away. Less than a quarter of parents with children under the age of 5 say they plan to do the same when a vaccine is available for that age group.
Even among children who are currently eligible — ages 12 to 17 — vaccination rates are lower than would be expected. About 59 percent of kids in that age group have received at least one dose.
These numbers contrast with the uptake rates for most other vaccines for children. Data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention suggests that the portion of American children vaccinated by age 2 is more than 90 percent for polio, measles, mumps, rubella, hepatitis B and chickenpox, and more than 80 percent for diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis.
So, what’s different about the Covid-19 vaccines? Certainly they are more politicized than other vaccines, and there’s a great deal of misinformation and disinformation shared about them online. But, as I’ve covered in my research, those factors cannot entirely account for why so many parents — including politically liberal parents, highly educated parents and parents who previously followed vaccine protocols — are not planning to vaccinate their children against Covid-19.
What I’ve argued in my recent study — which draws on interviews with 80 mothers of young children whose vaccine decisions I’ve been following since 2018 — is that to explain why so many parents see little incentive to vaccinate their children against Covid-19, we need a theory of “moral calm.”
Opinion Conversation Questions surrounding the Covid-19 vaccine and its rollout.
• Should pregnant women get the vaccine?
Gil Mor, a reproductive immunologist, explains why old science has led to conflicting advice.
• As more vaccine mandates arrive, how will we handle verification?
Tom Frieden, a former director of the C.D.C., describes how a safe and secure system could work.
• Are vaccine mandates a problem for civil liberties?
Two writers from the A.C.L.U. argue that actually, it’s quite the opposite.
• How many people have died because of undervaccination?
Comparing different areas of the U.S. suggests there have been many preventable deaths.
A moral calm is essentially the opposite of a moral panic — a term popularized in the 1970s by Stanley Cohen, who was a professor of sociology at the London School of Economics. If a moral panic is a situation in which exaggerated or misleading claims about the harm associated with some phenomenon lead to widespread fear of that phenomenon — such as the violence supposedly caused by video games — then I argue a moral calm is a situation in which we might expect widespread concern about some potentially harmful phenomenon but get the absence of fear instead.
Examining the moral calm around children and Covid-19 can help explain the hesitation around the vaccines and reveal what it may take to convince parents that their children should contribute to the public good.
In the United States, children are often sentimentalized, and parents fret about wildly inflated threats to children’s health, leading them to check Halloween candy for razor blades or wring their hands over teenagers eating Tide Pods. It would not have been surprising to see widespread panic among American parents about the possibility of their kids getting seriously ill from or even dying of Covid-19.
And yet, in interviews, that’s not what I hear from most mothers in my study. An Asian American mother with a master’s degree in mental health counseling said she would “probably not” seek the vaccine for her children because “the data shows that they’re not very high risk at all.”
Recent evidence has shown that Covid-19 can be a threat to children, even if the overall risk for severe illness remains low. Children’s risk of getting infected, for example, appears similar to that of adults, children are much better at spreading the virus than early studies suggested, and they may experience symptoms that last for weeks or more if infected.
The risk of Covid-19 to children is higher than the risk of the vaccine. So why don’t parents feel more urgency around vaccination?
My research suggests it’s because public health messaging during much of the pandemic reassured parents that children, especially “healthy” children, were at low risk of contracting, transmitting and suffering serious consequences from Covid-19. An April 2020 report from the C.D.C. stated that “relatively few children with Covid-19 are hospitalized, and fewer children than adults experience fever, cough, or shortness of breath.” Mainstream media outlets amplified those early public health messages, with headlines that reinforced the idea that children, especially healthy white children, were safer.
Those public health and media messages assuaged mothers’ worries, leading them to view Covid-19 vaccines as unnecessary, even if they previously accepted all other recommended vaccines for their children.
In some cases, mothers I interviewed said they are not planning to vaccinate their children against Covid-19, even though they got the vaccine for themselves. One mother, who is white and has a master’s degree, said she and her husband both got a Covid-19 vaccine around July, but are not planning to vaccinate their three children under 12 — at least not right away.
“Part of me is almost not ready for it to be approved, because, at least at this point, you know, I don’t have the choice in my hands,” the mother said. “I’m not sure I believe the benefits of the vaccine for children outweigh the risks and unknowns,” she said, adding, “If it was something like smallpox, I would feel a much greater level of concern than I do in this situation.”
Confirmation bias — the tendency to stick with what we already believe despite new information to the contrary — may also lead some parents to overlook new messages about children and Covid-19 risks. Many mothers I’ve interviewed say they’ve stopped paying close attention to Covid news because they’re so overwhelmed by the conflicting information. “I’m listening to my husband and my mother a lot, but otherwise I’ve kind of put my head in the sand a little bit,” one said. That makes it harder for public health experts to share new information about the importance of vaccines or the risks of Covid-19 for children and have credibility.
Parents may also feel unmotivated by a lack of tangible incentives. If concern over Covid-19 risk to children is low, then suggestions that the vaccines may not change their child’s daily life right away may add to the lack of urgency. Why bother to vaccinate if vaccinated kids are still required to wear masks at school, for example, or if the school district has already eliminated mask requirements for unvaccinated students?
Prepandemic research suggests that once parents view vaccination as unnecessary for their children, they can also become more susceptible to misinformation about vaccine risks. Parents may be weighing the risks they hear about Covid-19 vaccines — even if inaccurate — more heavily than the vaccines’ potential benefits for that reason.
A pregnant mother of three I spoke to, who is Black and has some college education, said she would wait to get the vaccine both for herself and for her children. “They have told us, the C.D.C., that it’s safe,” she said, “but a lot of people are having bad reactions to it, which is leading people to believe that it’s not as safe as they claim. So I’m just really still iffy about it.”
“I wear my mask and the kids wear their masks,” she added, “and I feel a little bit safer doing those methods than the vaccine.”
American parents may also be particularly susceptible to misinformation about vaccines because of the pressure placed on parents, and especially mothers, to keep their children safe. Given America’s lack of public investment in families, parents know that if they don’t look out for their children, there’s a good chance no one else will. That pressure can leave mothers on alert for potential risks to their children’s health. In the absence of messages about the risks of Covid-19 for children, false and exaggerated claims about the vaccine risks can trigger that alert system, serving as fuel for fears and outlets for the pressure mothers face to keep their children safe.
The problem with that kind of individualistic thinking is that vaccines are most effective when everyone gets the shot. Public health experts have estimated that to reach herd immunity, more than 70 percent of the global population will need immunity to Covid-19. Vaccinating children may be important for ending the pandemic or at least making it safer for families to return to familiar routines.
Public health communicators face a difficult challenge. On the one hand, scaring parents unnecessarily is unproductive. On the other, the absence of fear around children and Covid-19 is discouraging parents from having their children do their part for the greater good.
If the short-term goal is to vaccinate as many children as quickly as possible, then media and public health experts have a key role to play in shaking parents’ sense of calm around children and Covid-19. Any information about vaccine risks, for example, should be presented in the context of information about the risks that Covid poses to children and also the risk that unvaccinated children pose to people around them, including vaccinated adults.
My hope is that when parents consider the “incentives” of vaccinating their children against Covid-19, they’ll look beyond the individual benefits and focus on how their children can help protect others. That’s why schools have long required vaccinations for children. And that’s why most parents have, historically, complied.
If we want to end the pandemic and avoid similar moral calms and moral panics in the long term, Americans need to rethink our insistence on individual responsibility as the key to public health.
More on vaccine hesitancyOctober 26, 2021 at 2:22 pm #90862Raúl Ilargi MeijerKeymaster
I don’t see any way boosters will not be ‘needed’. Same compound, same waning, same timeframe. Cue no. 4,5,6,7 etc. by 8 your chances of survival become slim.October 26, 2021 at 2:53 pm #90863Saul GoodmanParticipant
Thanks Raul, and thanks for the website. This is prompting me to do better planning to find a way out of a company that wants to go this route.
I make a large income where I am, so I was in that ‘retire’ early mindset (you know prior to 2 years ago when this blew up). Most of my money is tax advantaged accounts, equity in the home we are trying to pay off, and a cash position for a bad day. Never imagined a bad day like getting let go, my wife who is an RN being a backup job (now more difficult if we want to keep her from having to be vax). And most companies are potentially going down this road in my field, so though job hunting is an option, how soon until I leave my current situation and then run into the same problem. Need a total reinvention which takes time. Which I will do.October 26, 2021 at 3:00 pm #90864ArchieParticipant
I posted this article late last night regarding pushback from the RCMP.
I think it is a very encouraging development and deserves the wider attention that the author, Francis Marion, hopes for.
We want to reiterate a point stated earlier in this letter, so it is remembered. If the people believe the government is continuing to censor experts, the country will fall into instability. We are experts in law enforcement and investigations. We are losing faith in the motives of our government, and we will not willingly participate in actions against people whose Charter rights and freedoms are being violated.October 26, 2021 at 4:09 pm #90866Maxwell QuestParticipant
“M. C. Escher Relativity Lattice 1953”
I thought Ilargi’s choice of artwork is a good metaphor for our current situation, where it is difficult for the average person to get his bearings – up is down and down is up. As Piers Robinson said in the interview posted by Germ, “We’re really living in a world where it’s very difficult for people to work out the truth of what’s going on.”
Was pondering this morning, where would we be if the vaccines had actually been safe and effective? There’s a good chance that we would all be vaccinated by now, and their “vaccine passport” -> Digital ID agenda would be well on its way. I’m sorry that so many are being injured and killed by the vaccines, but without this ‘glitch’ in the plan, the opposition currently growing and pushing back would’ve never had the chance to build, and would’ve been steamrolled into submission long ago.October 26, 2021 at 4:14 pm #90867sumac.carolParticipant
Taking a moment to think of Saul, Oxy, Phoenix Voice and others with young families or bills to pay that coerce them in their decisions around the vaccine.
Re the RCMP letter: there is some inconsistency in the count of signatories. The letter says it is signed by active duty members.However the letter says 43,000 have signed but there are only 19,000 RCMP members. There are also civilian members but that would only bring us to less than 30,000 potential signatories (and it would be highly unlikely that all would have signed).October 26, 2021 at 4:37 pm #90868
Denial emails for exemptions are starting got at my workplace. I haven’t heard but this was the rejection a coworker got.
“After engaging with you in the interactive process, we have determined that we cannot grant your request for a religious exemption from the Covid-19 vaccination requirement.”
Interesting wording since I have had zero interaction with the “US Covid Team” after submitting my exemption request.October 26, 2021 at 4:40 pm #90869
Here are the actions that we are recommending for those that don’t survive the cut.
Subject: [Rest] What if I am denied?
Here are the actions that we would need to take, if our accommodations are denied, to implement the Indiana EEPC:
What if I am denied?!?
Hoosiers for Medical Liberty – 6/14/2021
“…I spoke with an attorney who would be willing to take cases HOWEVER they are ONLY for adverse job actions. Adverse job actions may include:
2. loss or decrease in hours.
3. other instances that result in financial “loss.”
The attorney states that in Indiana the only way to win a case is for adverse job actions. These are violation of civil rights based on religious discrimination but you must have submitted a religious exemption and notified the employer of the violation of rights.
What does that mean?
FILE YOUR RELIGIOUS EXEMPTION! If you quit your job, walk off, or fail to send them notice of your rights
YOU DO NOT HAVE A CASE.
So what do you do?
Through my conversation with the attorney you complete the following steps:
1. Submit your religious exemption. Express that your sincerely held religious beliefs prevent you from receiving the vaccination. (Register for and watch our video here for full details and tips).
2. IF your religious exemption is denied you can send an email to your employer’s HR department with a statement informing them that they are violating your rights. It may look similar to:
1. “I submitted my religious exemption on —-, and received the attached refusal to accept my religious exemption on —-. I have genuine and sincere religious beliefs that will not allow me to accept this vaccination. By denying my religious exemption you discriminating against me and are violating my civil right to freedom of religion.”
2. Immediately file a Charge of Discrimination with the EEOC. This must be done!
1. You can read about that here.
2. FILE THE CHARGE HERE.
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On Ugo Bardi’s Extermination Series. (he is good and i reco’d iirc part 1 a while back.)
Ugo, UB, knows a lot about the Irish Famine, it is well worth a read. Complex societies… See e.g. Tainter, The Collapse of Complex Societies.
In systems discourse, there isn’t, can’t be, one main cause, or even a series of contributary causes, or a causal chain of events (Jack ’n Jill..), but rather a multifactorial interplay and ‘forcing’, which leads (in exs. like the Ir. one) to breakage, damage, that spreads thru the system via ‘ricochet’ (Frenchism), and feed-back loops.
UB takes human evil / murderous impulses and actions for granted, as part of human nature and thus the human condition — OK, all righty. He focusses on the physical aspect, e.g. deforestation and soil erosion.
The piece thus skims over politics and ideology, in this case the sadism of the British, who colonised Ireland and treated the Irish as untermenschen.
— No or almost no aid was offered to starving Irish peasants, be it for food – some soup kitchens were set up but abandoned; no emigration aid was given, etc. etc. —
‘Capitalistic’, individualistic, free-market ‘values’, protestantism, etc. rationalised what was seen as non-action.
Today is similar, in a covert, watered-down form, policies aimed internally in the UK, see Cameron’s Austerity Programs, Universal Credit (2010), new Welfare Acts, under May, and today’s lying discourse about saving the National Health Service, while starving it, to sell it off bit by bit (Bojo.)
Another point that might be explored is the danger of being forced into agri. monoculture (in this case, potatoes) – it is best to rebel before that happens.
Saul Goodman, best wishes.October 26, 2021 at 5:12 pm #90872October 26, 2021 at 5:20 pm #90873Doc RobinsonParticipant
The FDA advisory committee meeting, on whether the Pfizer injections should be authorized for children age 5-11, is happening right now, and currently is live-streaming the public input portion (3 minutes per speaker):
Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee – 10/26/2021
4,324 watching now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laaL0_xKmmAOctober 26, 2021 at 5:24 pm #90874
Note: Gerald Celente has started a Church of Freedom. By joining this church, you get access to his legal team for exemptions. There are others, Solari is another.
If Ugo knows the Irish famine, he knows it’s a template for mass-purges. Although potatoes were huge, Ireland had some food, certainly seafood, meats, Baronial estates. They shipped the food to England instead. Now is similar. We HAVE oil, and we HAVE food. We just refuse to DELIVER it. We “made a mistake”. …You know, the kind of “Giant Sucking Sound” “Green New Deal” mistake everyone in the country told them for decades was a mistake? That kind of “mistake”? The sort you make a fortune on, whole careers with medals and honors?
So I would hope he can recognize a spade when he sees one. I suspect he can, but can’t grasp it, because you have to propose that sometimes some men are evil and intend harm for profit. I don’t know why everyone seems to recoil from this incredibly self-evident reality, but most often they do.October 26, 2021 at 5:53 pm #90875DarkMatterParticipant
We HAVE oil, and we HAVE food. We just refuse to DELIVER it.
I suspect the reason the Chinese don’t destroy the US is that they want that oil and that food and they want enough infrastructure left in the US to deliver it to them. They can crash the US dollar any day they want but they are playing the long game and they don’t crash it because it is in their best interest not to. It is better for them to buy up US farmland and other resources with dollars and use the US government to enforce their ownership. They will be the new British and the US will be the new Irish.October 26, 2021 at 6:24 pm #90876a kullervoParticipant
Civil Disobedience illustration
It would be interesting if all these “feel good” posters started tallying also the consequences of doing what it’s suggested.October 26, 2021 at 6:30 pm #90877
P.S. Related to nothing.October 26, 2021 at 7:17 pm #90878
I used to respect Chomsky and hate Fox.
Now I respect Fox and hate Chomsky.
The great reset!
Noam Chomsky doubles down on his previous call for the state to segregate The Unvaccinated from society:
"How can we get food to them? Well, that's actually their problem."
— Max Blumenthal (@MaxBlumenthal) October 25, 2021October 26, 2021 at 7:18 pm #90879OroborosParticipant
Something Wicked This Way Comes
“Really knowing is good. Not knowing, or refusing to know, is bad, or amoral, at least. You can’t act if you don’t know.”
~Ray BradburyOctober 26, 2021 at 7:24 pm #90880
The vaccine doesn’t help to protect you for more than 11 months.
1. Would VD and Zinc Help the immune system to reduce/eliminate the bad effects of the vaccines?
2. How much and how long before being forced to take the vaccine?
3. How much and for how long after being forced to take the vaccine?
4. What else could be taken, before and after being forced to take the vaccine, to reduce/eliminate the bad effects of the vaccines?October 26, 2021 at 7:30 pm #90881
Chomsky will likely get his wish. The immune systems of the vaccinated will become fragile to the point that they will have to be segregated into a bubble of their own making.October 26, 2021 at 7:42 pm #90882
Calling all undertakers
Canada Population – 38,185,042
population of Afghanistan is 40,077,990
Millions of Afghans will face starvation this winter unless urgent action is taken, the UN World Food Programme (WFP) has warned.
More than half the population – about 22.8 million people – face acute food insecurity, while 3.2 million children under five could suffer acute malnutrition, the WFP said
————October 26, 2021 at 7:44 pm #90883
Noirette & Dr D:
When it comes to the Irish potato famine(s) I my ancestry leaves me in a bit of a quandary to say the least!
You see I am about 3/4 English and maybe up to 1/4 Irish!
I have Irish ancestors who as Irish tenant farmers, were suddenly replaced with sheep by the English landlord. I am sure at the time they didn’t think this was morally right, as they boarded a ship to Quebec City on a “one-way” ticket. Another Itish ancestor had to leave Ireland in a hurry after being on the losing side of some kind of Irish clan dispute (stirred by the English?). So no direct references to potatoes but none-the-less around the same time frame. The reason we know so little about why my Irish ancestors came, is none could read or write. Any records were birth or deaths recorded in family bibles (since lost) by priests.
Another ancestor, likely English (but might have been Irish too?), was a minor landowner’s son deciding to marry, below his class, a miller’s daughter. This violated accepted class structures at the time, earning them a “one-way” ticket to Canada to cool off!
It is interesting that I know so much more about my English ancestors, being able to trace my surname back in England to the early 1600s. I think that is largely because they were by-and-large semi-educated people leaving behind some written cival 9records.
My most unsuccessful ancestor is of course Bridget Bishop, who was made infamous as the first witch to be hung in Salem, Massachusetts in 1692. Another Bishop, who took a politically incorrect position, as a doctor to a British General, had to swim the St. Lawrence River (just a few miles down river from the family island cottage), as an Empire Loyalist, to Upper Canada (Ontario), after the American War of Independence in 1776. The remaining Bishops stayed in the US.
Today the vaccine mandate reminds me so much of the maddeness of the Salem witch hunt. People go crazy in crowds but only come to their senses, slowly, one by one.October 26, 2021 at 7:59 pm #90885
You raise a good question(s).
Somehow I think the vaccinated need to stay away, from compounding their poor choice to be vaccinated, from any further jabs and hope over time their bodies can lessen some of the damage already done.
I suspect taking some proactive steps, like vitamins C & D3, plus zinc will also be required. Maybe even low dosage of aspirin too?
It would be interesting if we could find out more on how the vaccinated can better cope in the future with the negative consequences of being vaccinated. Then we could at least send a more positive message to our vaccinated family and friends, instead of the current negative one that they are screwed!October 26, 2021 at 8:02 pm #90886
Is it raining cats and dogs out in BC at the moment?
It has been raining non-stop here in Ontario for 2 days! I have to keep bailing the boat out to keep it from sinking!
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