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Harris&Ewing President Hoover lights Nation’s Capital community Xmas tree Dec 24 1929

 

Why Is Jeremy Corbyn Seen As So Unelectable (Abc.au)
Ideology or Popularity: How Will Britain Vote? (CP)
The Steele Dossier Was Always a Joke (Taibbi)
The Hidden Hand (Faddis)
The Global Auto Market Collapse (ZH)
EU Lauds New Green Deal As Europe’s ‘Man On Moon Moment’ (DW)
“Afghanistan Papers” May Be A Game Changer For Tulsi Gabbard (IDS)
Vatican Caught Using Charity Donations To Cover Budget Shortfalls (ZH)
‘She Was So Dangerous’: Where In The World Is The Ghislaine Maxwell? (G.)
Assange’s Father Hopeful Of Son’s Release (9News)

 

 

Because of articles like this?! Because of how the BBC reports on the election?

Why Is Jeremy Corbyn Seen As So Unelectable (Abc.au)

Jeremy Corbyn is railing against “cuts, closures and poverty”. He’s campaigning to build more homes, and to fight fewer wars. He’s condemning the Tories for creating a “divided and unequal society”. But these are snippets not from his 2019 bid for Downing Street. They were his slogans in 1983, when he first ran for Parliament.The simple fact is the Labour leader has never changed his views. In the late 1970s and 1980s he and his staunch left-wing colleague John McDonnell, now the shadow chancellor, promised a revolution to upend the Western capitalist order. And yet, in 2015, as he was fighting to take over the leadership of the party, he was pledging the same: “Capitalism is in its death throes!”


It’s not mere sloganeering. His policy agenda over the past year has been: renationalise British utilities and trains, cap all wages, and force large companies to transfer 10 per cent of their equity to their employees. It says something about the depths of the austerity cuts in Britain that Mr Corbyn was not only backed into the Labour leadership, but went on to gain the largest increase in the party’s share of the vote in the 2017 election since World War II. And in the torrid political climate that followed, many would have expected Labour to romp home this time around. Over the past three years, the Conservative Party has imploded, with grave wounds struck to much of its credibility. Once Theresa May was torn down and replaced by Boris Johnson, a man with a public reputation as a liar, perhaps in any other generation of politics Labour would have been a shoo-in. But this time around, Mr Corbyn has been found deeply unelectable.

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The antisemite slur has worked miracles. Ley me repost the graph that shows 0.08% of Labour members are.

Ideology or Popularity: How Will Britain Vote? (CP)

It’s not news that Jeremy Corbyn isn’t a popular figure. It’s also not news that Jeremy Corbyn’s policies are hugely popular with the British public. Why should the first of these appear to matter more than the second? [..] The secret to the Tories’ possible success seems to be to focus less on the issues, and not at all on their own leader (who can’t be bothered to turn up for an interview or a debate). Instead, they are focusing on Labour’s unpopular leader. And the odd thing is that it seems to be working. The muckraking includes calling Corbyn an anti-semite, but it doesn’t stop there. (Somehow the fact that Boris Johnson has a habit of making racist comments is irrelevant; Labour is an anti-racist party and therefore must be held to a higher standard.)

A new book by Tom Bower paints a portrait of a power hungry anti-semite who regularly hangs out with Muslim extremists. Anyone with an ounce of sense will struggle to find the Labour leader in this description; for his part Bower had the sense not to source his allegations so there’s no way to check up on which of these might be true and which are blatant fabrications. For anyone interested, Peter Osborn has a thorough debunking. The advantage of mudslinging is that it sometimes sticks. Many British voters can’t say exactly why they don’t like Corbyn, but they know that they don’t like him. Even if these allegations were defendable, Corbyn’s Labour party has effectively won the debate on austerity.


Both parties are promising to protect the NHS from privatization, but only one party is actually selling NHS data to private companies like Amazon. That should matter a lot more than whether or not the British public would like to go on holiday with Jeremy Corbyn. Whatever the outcome, this is one of the most fascinating elections on record. Arguments for the status quo – that the rich should see the biggest gains when capitalism works and the poor should pay when it doesn’t – aren’t working. Demonization of one’s opponents has always been a part of electoral politics, but in this election that’s pretty much the only tactic in play, at least for the Tories. Their victory would be a huge triumph of the British propaganda system. It would also be a huge failure for democracy.

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Just not a funny one.

The Steele Dossier Was Always a Joke (Taibbi)

The Guardian headline reads: “DOJ Internal watchdog report clears FBI of illegal surveillance of Trump adviser.” If the report released Monday by Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz constitutes a “clearing” of the FBI, never clear me of anything. Holy God, what a clown show the Trump-Russia investigation was. Like the much-ballyhooed report by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, the Horowitz report is a Rorschach test, in which partisans will find what they want to find. Much of the press is concentrating on Horowitz’s conclusion that there was no evidence of “political bias or improper motivation” in the FBI’s probe of Donald Trump’s Russia contacts, an investigation Horowitz says the bureau had “authorized purpose” to conduct.

Horowitz uses phrases like “serious performance failures,” describing his 416-page catalogue of errors and manipulations as incompetence rather than corruption. This throws water on the notion that the Trump investigation was a vast frame-up. However, Horowitz describes at great length an FBI whose “serious” procedural problems and omissions of “significant information” in pursuit of surveillance authority all fell in the direction of expanding the unprecedented investigation of a presidential candidate (later, a president). Officials on the “Crossfire Hurricane” Trump-Russia investigators went to extraordinary, almost comical lengths to seek surveillance authority of figures like Trump aide Carter Page. In one episode, an FBI attorney inserted the words “not a source” in an email he’d received from another government agency.


This disguised the fact that Page had been an informant for that agency, and had dutifully told the government in real time about being approached by Russian intelligence. The attorney then passed on the email to an FBI supervisory special agent, who signed a FISA warrant application on Page that held those Russian contacts against Page, without disclosing his informant role. Likewise, the use of reports by ex-spy/campaign researcher Christopher Steele in pursuit of Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) authority had far-reaching ramifications. Not only did obtaining a FISA warrant allow authorities a window into other Trump figures with whom Page communicated, they led to a slew of leaked “bombshell” news stories that advanced many public misconceptions, including that a court had ruled there was “probable cause” that a Trump figure was an “agent of a foreign power.”

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Make sure it’s no longer hidden. Put the spotlight on Brennan and Clapper to start with.

The Hidden Hand (Faddis)

The essence of a coup, which some might refer to as covert action, is the hidden hand. One does not announce that a foreign power is overthrowing the government and installing a new government. One pulls strings as if from behind a curtain, making events that are all part of a carefully orchestrated plan appear disconnected, spontaneous and serendipitous. As I read through the recently released IG report for the second time, as someone with a great deal of experience in military and intelligence matters, I see that hand everywhere. Per the IG report, a single report is delivered to the FBI in the summer of 2016. It concerns a meeting between a cooperative contact of a foreign intelligence service and a junior level employee of the Trump campaign, George Papadopoulos.

The report relates what are frankly very amorphous comments by Papadopoulos concerning the Russian government and its alleged possession of information on Hillary Clinton. On any other day this report would command no attention whatsoever. The source in question has no track record of any kind with the FBI. Papadopoulos has been employed by the Trump campaign for perhaps 90 days at this point, and there is no reason to believe he has contacts of significance in the Kremlin. Not on this occasion. This one report from a foreign intelligence service goes directly to the top of the FBI. The Director himself, James Comey is briefed. A full investigation is launched. Multiple confidential human sources are tasked. Wiretaps are ordered. A task force is organized. Crossfire Hurricane is born.


There is a problem, though. This hand, perhaps because it is controlled by individuals who have made their bones riding desks in Washington, DC and not in the field running actual operations, is clumsy. The information regarding Papadopoulos provided the needed pretext to start an investigation, but most of the people who will now form the investigative team are not in on the plot. They will have to be led to the pre-ordained conclusion, so that it appears that they did so without outside interference. And these investigators have a pesky habit of actually doing their jobs.

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Bad for automakers and Big Oil. Other than that, though…

The Global Auto Market Collapse (ZH)

It is no secret that the auto market worldwide has been mired in recession that looks to not have any plans of decelerating anytime soon. We have covered, at length, the collapse of auto sales not only in the U.S., but in leading global markets like China and Europe over the last 18 months. We have also covered how the “silver lining” of EV sales and investment in electric vehicles, may not be enough to stoke a recovery in the industry, especially with major cities like Beijing starting to shy away from purchase subsidies. The contagion has spread, and a new article by Bloomberg includes four charts that show just how damaging the effects have been globally. The first shows that global auto sales peaked two years ago at slightly under 86 million on an LTM basis. In October, that number stood at 78 million, a decline of about 9%.

The second chart shows trends from across the globe, noting that since China’s market is so big, that it is been obscuring falling trends elsewhere in the world. The chart shows China, Asia ex-China, North America, Europe, Latin America and Africa/Middle East all in steep downtrends.

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Europe’s “new growth strategy.” Oh boy…

EU Lauds New Green Deal As Europe’s ‘Man On Moon Moment’ (DW)

The European Commission signed off on President Ursula von der Leyen’s “European Green Deal” on Wednesday in Brussels, with a promise of money for EU nations that are lagging behind. The European Green Deal will still need to be approved — by the leaders of the EU’s member states and the European Parliament — for the climate policies to be implemented into law. The climate change resolutions will be considered by the leaders of EU countries at their meeting in Brussels on Thursday. Von der Leyen, who has put climate issues at the center of her presidency, described the plan as Europe’s “new growth strategy.”


“We do not have all the answers yet, today is the start of a journey, but this is Europe’s man on the moon moment. The European Green Deal is very ambitious, but it will also be very careful in assessing the impact and every single step we’re taking.” Von der Leyen said an economic growth plan based on fossil fuels and pollution was “out of date and out of touch.” “The European Green deal is on one hand about cutting emissions, but on the other hand, about creating jobs and boosting innovation.”

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Can she stay out of the debate and still win?

“Afghanistan Papers” May Be A Game Changer For Tulsi Gabbard (IDS)

Three very interesting things happened today in Tulsi Gabbard’s campaign for the Democratic nomination for the US Presidency. First, there was a huge story in The Washington Post about the so-called “Afghanistan Papers,” which reveal thousands of pages of confidential interviews with hundreds of key US government officials telling how the Bush, Obama and Trump administrations lied to the American public about the prosecution of the 18-year US war in Afghanistan—how successive US administrations manipulated data about the war to paint a much rosier picture of US and Afghan government achievements throughout the conflict. How big is this story? Think “Pentagon Papers.” Daniel Ellsberg. Think Vietnam big.

The story should suck up a lot of oxygen over the next few weeks, and it is one that should produce some unusually positive coverage for Tulsi, given that the issue of the failures of US military interventionism overseas has been the primary focus of her campaign. The second interesting thing is the story has the potential to tie into another story involving a management consulting firm called McKinsey & Company that performed confidential contract work in Afghanistan and Iraq. The reason McKinsey could be relevant to Tulsi’s campaign is that one of her main rivals for the nomination, Pete Buttigieg, happened to work for McKinsey from 2007 to 2010. Pete has indicated that his stint with McKinsey involved working on “war zone economic development to help grow private sector employment” in Iraq and Afghanistan.


In plain language, Pete appears to have been part of broader effort by the US government to transform Afghanistan into some sort of a mini capitalist democracy—not unlike the silly US plan to create a Jeffersonian democracy in Iraq. Now, there may be nothing to the connection between the first and second stories. However, during Tulsi’s town hall this evening in Nashua, New Hampshire, it is curious that Tulsi specifically mentioned McKinsey in referencing how most of the hundreds of billions of US taxpayer dollars that have been spent in Afghanistan have not gone to fight terrorism but rather to enrich US defense contractors such as the “McKinsey group.” She very slyly slid in McKinsey and moved on.

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Gee, we’re surprised…

Vatican Caught Using Charity Donations To Cover Budget Shortfalls (ZH)

While Pope Francis has long preached about the ills of economic inequality and sins of capitalism, the Catholic church has been robbing Peter’s Pence to the tune of over $50 million annually to plug holes in their out-of-control budget – after paying over $3 billion in pedophile priest settlements around the world over several decades. According to the Wall Street Journal, most of the roughly $55 million the church takes in annually goes towards “plugging the hole in the Vatican’s own administrative budget, while as little as 10% is spent on charitable works.” “The little-publicized breakdown of how the Holy See spends Peter’s Pence, known only among senior Vatican officials, is raising concern among some Catholic Church leaders that the faithful are being misled about the use of their donations, which could further hurt the credibility of the Vatican’s financial management under Pope Francis.” -Wall Street Journal

Of note, Peter’s Pence is an annual collection event held every June, billed as a fundraising event for the needy. It is described as a “gesture of charity, a way of supporting the activity of the Pope and the universal Church in favoring especially the poorest and Churches in difficulty. It is also an invitation to pay attention and be near to new forms of poverty and fragility.” “A section of the website dedicated to “works realized” describes individual grants, such as €100,000 in relief aid to survivors of last month’s earthquake in Albania or €150,000 for those affected by cyclone Idai in southeastern Africa in March.” -WSJ


“The purpose of the Peter’s Pence Collection is to provide the Holy Father with the financial means to respond to those who are suffering as a result of war, oppression, natural disaster and disease,” according to the website of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops. Except that for at least the past five years, just 10% of the money collected (over $55 million in 2018) – actually goes towards the types of charitable causes advertised for the collection, according to ‘people familiar with the matter,’ who added that approximately 2/3 of the funds have been used to help plug the budget shortfall at the Holy See – which consists of the central administration of the Catholic Church as well as the global papal diplomatic network. Last year, the budget deficit reached around $78 million on total spending of around $334 million.

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The FBI know where she is.

‘She Was So Dangerous’: Where In The World Is The Ghislaine Maxwell? (G.)

Maxwell and Epstein’s relationship seems to have been complex. Sarnoff says Maxwell once told her she wanted very much to marry Epstein. “Maxwell is very clever,” Sarnoff says. “In spite of her personal insecurities, as a result of her father’s death and financial challenges, I believe she nevertheless knew exactly what she was doing when she agreed to solicit girls on his behalf. However, I don’t think that phase of their relationship began until she understood Epstein would not marry her.” Farmer says Maxwell told her they were married. In another interview, this time with the Miami Herald, which has doggedly investigated Epstein, Giuffre alleges Maxwell had asked her to have a child with Epstein and hand the baby over for Maxwell and Epstein to raise; she would be paid an allowance of $200,000 a month.

Ransome, who says she was kept for six months on Epstein’s private island and claims she was raped several times a day, said: “They were never like a couple. Jeffrey and Ghislaine were best friends, or like brother and sister. Never holding hands or kissing. And she wasn’t his employee.” When Maxwell found that Farmer had spoken out, she made threatening calls – Farmer says she has been in hiding “for many years”. “Ghislaine kept threatening my life. She found out where I was living, and she would send messages to me or I would get a call and I would have to move again. Most of her threats were veiled, like: ‘You better look over your shoulder because there’s someone coming for you.’ She told me she was going to burn all my paintings, my career was burned.” In 2015, Giuffre sued Maxwell for defamation, after Maxwell said she was lying about the allegations she had made.


The case was settled out of court and Maxwell began retreating from public view. She was no longer seen in public with Epstein after his 2008 conviction for soliciting an underage girl for prostitution. [..] Kaiser says he has not been able to serve Maxwell with legal papers “because she’s off hiding somewhere”. Does he have any idea where she is? “No, I wish I did. We’ve looked various places so far to no avail. We thought we had a lead in some compound in Colorado, a very good friend of hers, a wealthy family – we thought she might be there, but we’re not sure. I expect the FBI knows exactly where she is. They may be building a case. I don’t believe they’ve given up on pursuing some of [Epstein’s] enablers and I have to believe that would include Maxwell.”

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Is there a media shift? There does seem to be a small one in Oz politics.

Assange’s Father Hopeful Of Son’s Release (9News)

The father of Wikileaks founder Julian Assange is confident a tide of public opinion is turning in support of the Australian languishing in a UK cell. As Assange awaits an extradition hearing which could eventually result in him facing criminal charges in the US, his father John Shipton is campaigning for his diplomatic release. The 75-year-old has visited about eight countries this year raising support for his son’s release During that time his son has won increasing support from politicians on all sides both at home and overseas. The Australian group concerned about Assange’s health and potential extradition includes conservative MPs George Christensen and Barnaby Joyce, independent Andrew Wilkie and Green politicians.

“Basically the malice and spite demonstrated by the United Kingdom and Sweden is of concern to every Australian,” Mr Shipton told AAP. “We are working towards the government involving itself diplomatically to ensure Julian’s return home to Australia and the prosecution stopping immediately.” He said filmmaker James Ricketson and journalist Peter Greste were both brought back to Australia from Cambodia and Egypt respectively via diplomatic intervention and Assange’s case was no different. “There’s no difference whatsoever,” Mr Shipton said. Mr Shipton said the media played a part in a decline in support for Assange while he sought asylum in the Embassy of Ecuador in London for almost seven years.


“The mobbing and smearing (of Assange) is only possible with the permission, participation, of the media,” he said. “But it seems to have stopped and is reversing itself as the media realises their position is subsequently very tenuous. “What will happen if Julian is dragged away in a yellow jumpsuit with chains around him is the prestige of every journalist in the western world will fall to zero.” Despite the persistence of the UK and US and what he describes as “procedural malfeasance and abrogations of all Julian’s human rights”, Mr Shipton remains optimistic about his son’s release. “I think we’ll win,” he said.

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    Harris&Ewing President Hoover lights Nation’s Capital community Xmas tree Dec 24 1929   • Why Is Jeremy Corbyn Seen As So Unelectable (Abc.au
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle December 12 2019]

    #52096

    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Ah. There you are, good……………………

    #52097

    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Calvin and Hobbes; deliciously irreverent…

    #52098

    Dr. D
    Participant

    Tree

    “with a promise of money for EU nations”

    So the EU is going to get rich by paying the EU. …With their own money. Cool! My guess is, as 100% of the time so far, this money will go FROM the poor in Provence and Poland, and TO the rich Al Gores and Elon Musks. …Exactly as outlined in 1938 with the technocratic elite, the philosopher-kings, above us all who, as Mr. Bloomberg says, “should tax the poor because they’re too stupid to know what’s good for them.” Smash the patriarchy! In #AntiLogos #OppositeLand, by giving those (male) billionaires and that patriarchy every tiny thing they ever ask for, and give violent, deadly austerity for the poor and ruined, just as in France, with their gas taxes, 56 weeks into the gilet jaunes, missing eyes and all. Go Ursula! When we get women in like Merkel, Hillary, and Albright, we won’t have those illegal wars, mass-poverty, mass-deaths, and income disparity anymore. No rapes in the streets and open slave markets backed with increasing child-homelessness rates. Nope.

    But we have to! We’ve ruined Greta’s childhood by letting her skip school and work, sail her around the world to meet with all the leaders at their palatial estates to eat 5-star salads flown in from Auckland, and made her Person the Year. How DARE we? The world is burning, climate-change is making people go hungry, and she and her mother both own a $10,000 armchair. “This is all wrong.” Indeed. –Oh if you hadn’t heard or guessed from like, the first breath of the first syllable, Columbia School of Journalism arranged the whole Greta thing with the proper media/propaganda outlets months back. All you have to do is be able to read their own statements on how they, the other media, and her parents, are a fraud and a scam. And they may even believe their cause. But that doesn’t make it real or not deadly to the rest of us. P.S., if she’s attacking the billionaires so much, why are they the (only) ones supporting and meeting with her?

    On that note, yes, “Today is the start of a journey” a journey to homelessness and austerity riots across all of Europe, not just France. Godspeed. A journey to kill a few hundred million people as they’ve openly published, just as Mein Kampf’s plans were openly published. This is what happens when you lie so much you don’t even believe yourselves, same as then.

    silly US plan to create a Jeffersonian democracy”

    Not silly at all. They’re just bare-faced lying as paper-thin fig leaf cover for sucking the nation dry with fake and inflated Halliburton contracts x1000 while bulldozing Michigan into the sea. Well they have to say SOMETHING. Aaaaaand this shows why Mr. Nobody from a land no-decent person would ever deign to talk to is even IN the election: exactly BECAUSE he’s the waterboy for these guys which you knew from the words “Naval Intel”. Sorry to tell you, but there are 100 South Bends in Flyoverland and exactly ZERO mayors are considered credible candidates except him. …Just like unknown community organizers from Chicago who haven’t completed a single term as anything, have no overall credits to their name, yet suddenly get several billion from rich Cook County financiers, then say $100 billion from Wall Street who he installs as his cabinet. Totally organic. Not a crooked set-up at all. And so with poor Pete. They fact he is not being viciously attacked, shut out, investigated, and smeared is all you need to know.

    They were never like a couple. Jeffrey and Ghislaine were best friends, or like brother and sister. Never holding hands or kissing. And she wasn’t his employee.”

    No, they were co-workers. They worked for Mossad. And they may have lived and slept together but spy-work is a terrible and lonely job from which you are never free.

    I expect the FBI knows exactly where she is.”

    Interesting statement, since they didn’t know where Epstein was, what he was doing, who he was with, or where his money was for 30 years straight, even after the NY Times reported it. Now that he’s dead, they don’t know why that is either. So this organization that didn’t know all their top officials, with 5,000 security-check bodyguards between them, were meeting with Epstein, now suddenly knows where all his former associates are? Do tell. Sounds like one or the other of your stories is a bare-faced lie. So did they know what was going on before and lied? Or do they know what’s going on now? And since Horowitz got 51 printed, affidavit-lies out of the FBI only yesterday, why would you believe them?

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    John Day
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    I’m really fond of what I put up at the tail end of 12/10/19 Debt rattle yesterday, when Ilargi was traveling
    http://www.johndayblog.com/
    Were Other Humans the First Victims of the Sixth Mass Extinction?
    This article opens the paradigmatic question of the essential natural characteristics of social groups of Homo Sapiens. It looks at the genetic and fossil history of our engagements with Denisovans Neanderthal and other human races. We shared genes, then exacted genocide upon them. It was a fairly quick progression, even in ancient times, something like a thousand years. Later, with ships, bankers, guns and smallpox, the Americas would be conquered much faster.
    To my mind, the essential competitive edge described here is sociopathy, the ability to kill without hesitation or reluctance, and to do so at any scale. Perhaps those other human races lacked sociopathy. We can imagine ourselves completely without it in our society, but questions arise about how things happen in wars and finance, and power relations.
    Sociopaths seem to have been essential to our human tendency to overgrow our systems of food production. Sociopaths lead us to population reduction when this happens. It’s brutal, but having sociopaths in a group is a competitive advantage to lacking sociopaths in a group.
    We are at a difficult juncture in history, massively overgrown on the long term support system of agriculture and nature, by the one-time pulse of fossil fuels, fossil water, and the discovery of iron, copper, rare-earth metals and uranium.
    We have the intellectual and cognitive ability to meet our global needs as humans and as parts of nature, differently, but our nature is to be ruled by our sociopathic members in times of crisis.
    We see it around us, wherever there is mass killing and expropriation of wealth. Our sociopaths get ignored or whitewashed. Their sociopaths, and even citizens, get tarred.
    The best I can come up with is that the sociopathic rulers are now as threatened as ordinary citizens, by the vast destructive power they wield. Self-preservation dictates that they condone non-destructive methods going forward, but they are human and they panic, too. Meanwhile, they experiment with new forms of war, with their mass control of other humans, through finance and media, as well as armies.
    It’s up to us to keep the pressure down and derive day to day solutions which do not involve execution, expropriation and genocide.
    This will be a long, slow process, subject to immediate catastrophic failure, but what else is there to do?
    https://phys.org/news/2019-11-humans-victims-sixth-mass-extinction.html

    The UN General Assembly yesterday officially asked Israel to leave the occupied Syrian Golan Heights.
    ​ ​The request was made after the resolution was adopted after 91 UN member states voted in favour, nine rejected and 65 abstained.
    ​ ​The resolution stipulates that Israel leaves all the Syrian Golan Heights occupied in June 1967, stating this is an implementation of the UN Security Council’s resolution.

    UN Officially Asks Israel to Leave The Golan Heights

    #52100

    zerosum
    Participant

    How to change our social/economic systems and obtain a positive outcome
    Hummm!
    Let’s see, Let’s find some people who have tried.
    …. Without using violence ….
    Trump …. Greta …. Yellow vest …. Umbrella ….
    Nope they failed
    How about those using violence/war
    Chicago …. Mexican cartels …. Israel …. Afghanistan ….
    Hummm where is the positive change …. If your dead, or wounded, or lost everything, or assets destroyed, ….
    Keep looking
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    • The Global Auto Market Collapse (ZH)
    Why
    Shortage of consumers that can borrow the money to buy cars at the selling/asking price
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    Growing problems around the riches cities
    Shortage of consumers that can borrow the money to buy housing at the selling/asking price
    Solution
    New word for you …. unsheltered homelessness

    #52101

    zerosum
    Participant

    https://abc7news.com/society/san-francisco-opens-first-rv-lot-for-homeless/5747748/
    San Francisco opens first RV lot for homeless

    By Leslie Brinkley
    Wednesday, December 11, 2019

    (I hope that there is no unwanted video and audio in the link)

    The latest count in San Francisco shows there are over 700 occupied vehicles parked on city streets, way up from the tally in 2018 when there were 432 inhabited vehicles. The new parking lot on San Jose Avenue will start providing a new home for 30 RVs with plugs, showers, water, office services — all on site with 24/7 security provided by Urban Alchemy.

    #52102

    zerosum
    Participant

    Maybe I don’t use enough words to make myself understandable.
    ie. rake, enablers,
    then read
    http://charleshughsmith.blogspot.com/
    Tuesday, December 10, 2019
    Why “This Sucker Is Going Down”

    “The big money is made by gaming the financial system, buying regulatory approval, i.e. legalized looting, funneling a few measly millions to craven politicos who have zero understanding of how the nation’s financial system actually works, and then running a monstrous skimming operation behind the complexity thickets of “modern” finance, which all boil down to the same toxic concoction that’s destroyed economies throughout history:”

    #52103

    Dr. D
    Participant

    That must be why they’re now outlawing RV/Van life. It’s getting too popular, too many people not chained down.

    Your timeline is probably off. Like mega-fauna, humans and Neanderthals lived side-by-side for lord how long, 30,000 years? Although there’s nothing wrong with the premise, it’s like claiming humans made animals like sabertooths extinct. Sure, but why only THOSE animals, the rest, buffalo and grizzlies chased humans around in North America for another 10,000 years and were still chasing them — with the animals having the upper hand honestly — until William Penn arrived. And in places like Africa for like 200+ years longer, or even today. So “Humans”? Which humans? The Iroquois had the largest army in North America in the Revolutionary war yet there were more animals than ever since they had exterminated all the rival tribes into Ohio and the Midwest instead.

    Same here: Neanderthals co-existed for mega-thousand years, longer than the U.S. has existed, longer than Britain, longer than Rome has been a city, and just ONE DAY they wiped them out? Maybe, but there’s something else going on. Human version 3.0? And what would that be? Not brains, not tools, not war, those all existed already.

    Even today they call for psychopaths and how humans are bad everywhere, yet in the few places there are traditionalists, including European ones (Norway, Finland), Africa, Amazon, Alaska, they live in harmony with nature. Same humans. Why?

    Because mental illness isn’t natural and has to be specifically engineered and drawn out of humans by force. Left alone, they will be lazy and return to living placidly, goofing around in the woods and streams, uninterested in the other people, the giants or the dwarves over the hill. My Theory.

    #52104

    zerosum
    Participant

    Why do we work?
    1. too many people not chained down.
    2. be lazy and return to living placidly, goofing around in the woods and streams, uninterested in the other people, the giants or the dwarves over the hill. My Theory.

    + have naps like a cat

    #52105

    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    Most people aren’t sociopathic. Yet most human beings adhere to politico-economic structures dominated by sociopaths.

    How does this happen? My guess is: language. Language lets us cooperate in greater numbers than line of sight/hearing and few proto-linguisms such as many animals, some not so bright, possess. Language, particularly nonverbal symbolic/textual language, let orders, rules, decrees be shared among many thousands. Add automated replication a la Gutenberg, and then modern electronic transmission/facsimile tech, and we can follow leaders in the millions and now (new and improved!), billions.

    This allows us to abstract our Knowledge of Good and Evil into structures much larger than the individual. Used to be, you had to hang around the campfire night after night (wasn’t much else to do beside fucking and star-gazing once the sun went down) in order to share knowledge into systems of beliefs, rules, ethics, protocols, etc…

    Now we spend 13-plus years being conditioned by mostly standardized indoctrination centers called ‘schools’. When not in school, phonography/TV/vid games/internet tend to occupy our time (we’re instinctively mesmerized by objects that move or emit light). Now, since Herr Jobs, the deceased King of Apple (I find the apple correspondence with Edenic Fall mythology intriguing), we carry the phonography/TV/games/internet down the street with us.

    The result is millions of people sharing the same indoctrinated concept of reality, and acting upon same in vast numbers like herds shepherded by ghosts.

    To me, the moral of the Tower of Babel story is obviously not the size of the ziggurat, but this:

    “According to the story, a united human race in the generations following the Great Flood, speaking a single language and migrating westward, comes to the land of Shinar (שִׁנְעָר). There they agree to build a city and a tower tall enough to reach heaven. God, observing their city and tower, confounds their speech so that they can no longer understand each other, and scatters them around the world.”

    as stated verbatim here:

    “6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
    7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.”

    When the internet spawned Unix, we started building a new ziggurat as wide as the world and as tall as orbital outer space. At a time when we also invented weapons able to kill off most if not all of humanity if used in proper unison, and certainly capable of turning Hiroshima&Nagasaki into the modern equivalent of Sodom& Gomorrah.

    Every remaining Neolithic tribe we encounter, we destroy one way or another in our quest to create One Humanity uber alles. The problem with modern politics is not this or that political philosophy, it is politics themselves. We simply aren’t evolved enough to handle group responsibility larger than small tribes. Our technology is far smarter and larger than we are despite being insentient and of our own design. It creates structures that simply can’t be handled by ye olde concept of ‘The Chief’, which is still the central concept and sine qua non of politics.

    But mental illness is certainly natural. Random variation and natural selection create anomalies in our already anomalous brains that sometimes find a persistent niche for the survival of those selfish genes carrying the codes for said brain anomalies.

    That said, mental illness CAN be induced and is obviously being inflicted, wittingly and unwittingly, on humanity at large, with Japan and USA (imo) vying for Who’s Fucking Craziest, jah?

    As for the traditionalist living in harmony with nature: technology ruins that as soon as it arrives. The Laplanders are now capitalist resource mega-squanderers since snowmobiles and cellphones let them herd much larger herds of caribou, and with much less human power, even if they may still use their teeth to castrate male caribou in the traditional manner.

    “You can’t stop progress”

    The problem boils down to us: we are the problem, and problems generally don’t fix themselves. It’s not in their nature. We have no clue how to collectively stop this juggernaut heading for cliff’s edge at a population gain of… “How fast is the world’s population growing? In terms of net gain (births minus deaths), we are adding over 220,000 people to this planet every day, or over 150 people every minute. That equals over 80 million more people every year, about the same as the combined populations of California and Canada.”

    world population balance

    We waste our time debating whether the earth is warming or cooling, and whether we’re causing any such disturbance, but debate/do virtually nothing towards what to do with the primary problem: there’s way too fucking many of us, and the last thing we’re gonna do is sacrifice our lives for that of our fellows.

    There is no such thing as humanity. That’s a statistical concept. There is a species called homo sapiens, and a vast sense shared by most members of that species that homo saps own the planet and can do as they wish. Delusion of that grand a scale is pert nigh incurable and obviously doomed. Even God gave up on us, and settled for a salvage plan whereby our sense of identity as individuals could be preserved in some kind of afterlife,. You know: let Jeebus save you. With or without reincarnation. You know, let Vishnu save you. Or something like that. Being raised in Xtiandom, and finding the Bible more useful overall for understanding how we manage to fuck up everything we touch by making it “better”, I camp with the Jeebusites. But that’s just my personal metaphysics.

    Sad to Leave Yet Glad to Go

    #52106

    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    Whatever Jeffersonian democracy was about, it included owning human chattel, even if old Jeff allegedly took pretty god care of his. And slavery has always been a silly way to live, both for owners and slaves.

    “As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master. This expresses my idea of democracy. Whatever differs from this, to the extent of the difference, is not democracy.”

    Only democracy I’ve read about was either very small and tribal, or else based on owning slaves. And typically when a small democratic tribe bumped boundaries with another small democratic tribe, they killed the others, married-by-rape some more, and turned the remainders into slaves to the extent that they were capable.

    Democracy is based on the foolish notion that “humanity” knows what the fuck it is doing. I find the popular faith in the Common Man emotionally heartening but logically impotent. Oh, I’m sure there were small democratic tribes whose culture and genetic strains prevented malignant narcissists and amoral sociopaths from commandeering the group, but they generally get wiped out by tribes run by the traditional sociopathic narcissist.

    I had a magical night in July 1979 on Juneway Terrace beach on Lake Michigan along the north side of Chicago. Somehow a bunch of us, 6 or 7, drank/smoked our way intop a small group that spend the night under an old humongous plane tree right through dawn. We all knew we were into something special. A brief evanescent quasi-hippy tribe.

    Then some big burly dude came in and started acting all tough and shit, ruining the vibe. Being compliant little school-raised adult children of the middle class, we didn’t fight but instead started making our exit moves… when of a sudden, Norman, dear Jamaican Norman, came up from a kneeling position (we were all asprawl one way or another) and drove his fist pert near through the back of this sociopathic dickhair’s face.

    “Don’t fuck wit mah haigh, mon!” he said as he kneeled on the guy’s chest and growled.

    Guy left quietly once Norman let him.

    There are too many sociopaths and too few Normans.

    Being a Norman and a devotee of responsible claims, I’m gonna ask again: why should I even consider the idea that Trump was placed into power by some cabal of USA generals? If I don’t receive an answer this time, I’ll take it as proof that there is no proof nor even plausible suggestive evidence.

    I like honest substantiated info. Please don’t fuck wid my high, mon.

    #52108

    zerosum
    Participant

    Democracy and peace means saying,
    “Yes. Dear”

    #52109

    WES
    Participant

    I see Britain’s Labour party is reaping their just reward for trying to sell more communism to Brits.

    In 198, I got to see communism first hand while working in a Siberian coal mine.

    All I saw everywhere was the total lack of hope for the future. All their energy went towards surviving. They couldn’t talk to me but I could clearly see it in their eyes before they looked away.

    Everyone was too busy drinking, so they could at least temporarily escape from the reality of their worker’s paradise!

    My construction crew were always under the influence. I would watch my crew as they flowed off the steps of their business to see what kind of day I was going to have. The sobriety test for my crane operator was, could he crawl up upon the crawler and into the driver’s seat. If he couldn’t, we directed him to a nearby wooden crate to sleep.

    These were ordinary people just like you and me. Good solid people.

    Their mistake was being born into a country with a corrupt system that no matter what they did made them all look bad. It was a system designed to make good people fail!

    Nobody deserves this kind of fate.

    I was quite happy to leave that hell hole!

    I am also very pleased that my efforts to help save such a miserable system from itself was an utter failure!

    #52114

    Dr. D
    Participant

    Bosco: problem is, it’s very big, very deep, and very light. Reading geopolitics hours a day for years gets you a list of two columns: “That makes sense“, and “Huh, What is that?” So it’s hard to point to all the constellation dots that make up a sense that something is out there and exists: but this is all Intel work. Am I seeing an influencer over there or just a pattern out of noise? Or a real influencer but one I’m misinterpreting? Or one that is punking and misdirecting me? There’s no cure for it, it’s the nature of human models and objective reality, but in this field, where every breath is a scam and a lie, and the truth is surrounded by bodyguards, it’s far harder.

    Okay, did you know what Mr. T was doing before all this? As a young man he worked for a certain notorious mafia guy, who likely was also a pedophile. Perhaps Trump’s father rented him out to him, it’s certainly odd mentor to have, and more odd to definitively leave that and into generally honest (for NYC) work instead when there’s always more money, connections, safety and success in mafias and crime. Next, we see Trump in the 90s working with who? Guiliani. On what? Wiping out the Italian mafia in NYC which they succeed at. How? Trump was required to be squeaky, impossibly clean so there’d be no leverage over him, and because his books would end up in court when the FBI finally brought the case. Which they did and won. Same dozen anti-mafia guys just happen to be working with him now, in a similar project, except with a larger, worldwide mafia that includes ex-administrations and U.S. agencies.

    Who was Trump’s pals back then? Well, as he was a lifelong big-city DEMOCRAT, how about JFK Jr? “If my dear friend Donald Trump ever decided to sacrifice his fabulous billionaire lifestyle to become president he would be an unstoppable force for ultimate justice that Democrats and Republicans alike would celebrate,” This might be an apocryphal quote, but their friendship was real. Who were the enemies of the Kennedys, all dozen dead of them? At this point do you think the Mueller FBI and Brennan CIA don’t follow potential Presidential candidates decades ahead on a short list? We already know for fact they were also wire-tapping Cruz. So why not a few years earlier than that? Why on earth WOULDN’T they be? Because the law? Hahahahahahahaha. No one’s followed the law in 50 years.

    So although JFK wasn’t really into politics, he sets up his mag “George”, basing for a Senate run — then presumably as a cast-iron lock for President — against Hillary Clinton. But oops! His small plane goes down in clear weather for no reason and she — a non-NYer — wins the Senate seat instead. So if you’re the Kennedy-Trump power-region, who are your supporters? Who are your enemies? With your presumed torchbearer down, your powerbloc, your “mafia” is in a sling compared to, say, the Clinton-CIA powerbloc. What do you do? You need a Don fast, because their faction has consolidated nearly all the power in the whole U.S. already.

    …Unless there is no such thing as a Chicago power bloc, a Kennedy power-bloc, a Trump power bloc, a Wall St power block, a CIA power-bloc, a Silicon-Valley power-bloc, and a Military/MIC power-bloc, among hundreds. But I think you and I are adults and don’t live in the world of children.

    So, work with me: Here we have a guy, just a guy. And he doesn’t know anybody? Nobody wants to get behind him and help him? He just randomly wanders in and accidentally wins, the way CNN reports? No? So then WHO got behind him? Not Brennan’s CIA, not Chicago’s/Wall Street’s Obama, not Mueller’s FBI, that’s for sure. Peoria’s dog catcher and rotary club? No. Don’t make me laugh that there were NO power blocs, or a 10th-rate barely-billionaire like this Hotel Concierge could get in alone with barely enough money to make a scratch. Who is the ENEMY of the Obama/Clinton/CIA/Wall Street/Silicon Valley block, since those blocs were already getting in the hundred TRILLIONS ($23T in ’08 Bailout alone), every thing they could possibly want, including Epstein’s favorites 3x a day and would never bother to oppose…themselves. Who has power anywhere near that level? Who has their own Intel agency? Who has their own bodyguard agency? Who is really quiet? Who is left, uncaptured in the federal government, and is also really, really, REALLY pissed off? Who, in a world of weasels and ballless girly-men, will face them up, shoot them to pieces and laugh for decades when taking deadly fire down to the last man, against overwhelming odds, finding it “A h-ll of a good time shootin’ some folks”?

    Well you know there is only one entity on earth that can, would, should, and did face off against the Obama/Clinton/CIA/Wall Street/Silicon Valley block, has vowed to, is required to, and has the power to: Military Intel and the U.S. Generals. They have a vow to the Constitution, to the people, are being gutted and killed by the ten-thousands, they have their own parallel structure to the g-d d—-d CIA that’s been jerking them and creating phony wars that get them shot up and then worse, making them LOSE those shoot-ups for decades. But certainly not EVERY general. Not Petraus for instance. Which ones?

    They run U.S. vs the American people civil war scenarios regularly, and I’m sorry to say, THE MILITARY ALWAYS LOSES. Against our small-arms and guerrilla fire. Why they would run war-games as the people are supposed to be their employers, and the VERY THING THEY ARE PROTECTING, I won’t say, but we can all guess. Anyway, what do those, regular, periodic war games going back decades show? The Air Force always sides against the people. The Navy always ignores the people, follows the government, and covers the coasts. The Army is split but tips slightly towards the people. AND THE MARINES ALWAYS SIDE WITH THE PEOPLE, against everyone, every time. They are a much smaller, tougher force and not kidding around.

    So if you’re promoting and electing a candidate, who are your backers? Military intel and the Marine Generals. Who surrounded Trump aside from the cabinet picks they forced on him? Military intel and the Marine Generals. What did we find recently, in the IG and other reports? The Trump administration appears to have been at least incidentally aware of the CIA/FBI surveillance throughout the campaign. How? Not by the CIA, not the FBI: that leaves military intel, it’s impossible to be anyone else. And who else? White knight comes over the hill and unexpectedly the NSA everyone thought was CIA/Obama-allied turns out to be siding with the Marine Generals and the Constitution. How? Against direct orders Admiral Rogers sets up a SCIF in Trump Tower and outlines the ways he is being surveilled, who his enemies are. Next day, media lambastes Trump for moving everybody and everything to Mar Lago, away from the 50,000 wiretaps we now know exist. And next? Trump stops listening to the CIA, ignores them at briefings, leaves the room when they’re talking. Why? Who is he getting intel from if not the Dulles/Brennan CIA?

    At the extremely nervous and grave inauguration, 50 times Trump thanks who, says what? “We are returning the government to the people.” “America First.” Where have we heard “America First” before? Oh, yeah, it was the slogan of the generals purged from the Clinton Administration, who saw the wild Federal overreach beginning and tried to brace the military to resist the Presidental anti-Constitutionality and the Bush-CIA people. You know, just before a dozen of them died in a plane crash together. Or did you think the Federal government got this far out of hand and nobody ever resisted it and tried to re-assert the rule of law before? I mean AFTER Eisenhower said so and AFTER Kennedy Sr. said he’d smash the Dulles CIA and scatter them to the winds or die trying.

    …Or you can believe, like CNN, NBC, ABC, BBC The Guardian, and Rachel Maddow, every day Trump gets up and wanders around eating cookies and watching T.V. like a 3-year-old, and every day for 1,460 days he goes to bed having accidentally shut down the Neo-Cons, the Neo-Libs, the CIA, and the DNC totally accidentally. Your choice.

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