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    Jack Delano Freight train leaves Santa Fe rail yard for West Coast, Argentine, KS Mar 1943 Let’s assume for the moment that the two Guardian and Teleg
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    #14644
    Nassim
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    Here is some gruesome but genuine information as to what is happening to the kids of the west of Ukraine when they are sent east by their Zionist masters.

    “18 + URGENT !!! Broken Column Lviv airmobile brigade”

    “«Its all fucked up. The «Russians» are trashing us»”

    #14656
    rapier
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    The militarized Russian separatists having declared ‘independence’ are equal actors in the tragedy. Inviting a war to their region, which they cannot win. So the boys will be boys, Russian speakers killing Ukrainians and vice versa, except in the latter case its mostly civilians who are being shelled and bombed. To what purpose?

    To bring the death and suffering to such a level that Russia looses the will to stand aside? That’s what it looks like to me and it’s sick.

    Keeping in mind that the US/NATO seem to relish all this and have never once as far as I know attempted negotiation and de escalation I say pox on both their houses. I can find no good guys in the situation and with each passing day the longer term prospects for the residents get more grim.

    #14657
    rapier
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    Are the gas pipelines privately held? If so there are going to be some very very rich people. If not Kiev’s coffers are going to swell.

    #14658

    Far as I know, Naftogaz, the monopoly pipeline company, owns them. Which is already kind of peculiar, because Russia paid for much of them. They just came with the territory when Ukraine separated from Russia, which didn’t complain too much about it, because it was under the impression that the situation guaranteed continued flow of the gas to Europe. Russia even paid a lot of money in ‘rent’ over the years. Just like they subsidized, financed, Ukraine in 100 other ways. They may regret some of that now, and they may not take the abrupt reversal of all of these deals lying down. I wouldn’t be surprised if Putin launches a huge legal claim vs Kiev sometime soon; I’m sure his lawyers are on it.

    #14659

    Oh, and as for Kiev”s coffers swelling, that’s not the way the Shock Syndrome functions.

    #14664
    rapier
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    Right, Naftogaz is, soon to be was, a state owned monopoly. So any proceeds from the sale go to the state. Well the state such as it is. Beside, one can only imagine how much of it will end up in the other hands.

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