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    Caravaggio The Denial of St. Peter 1610   • UK Government Signs Julian Assange’s Extradition Papers (SBS) • ABC Raids A Wake-Up Call To Journalis
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle June 13 2019]

    #47923
    V. Arnold
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    https://3r8md7174doo44lgpk3kou79-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/LittleStream.jpgcartoon

    Indeed; they should.

    The rest is just churning; an old term used in economics to describe the constant extraction of interest from private investments.
    Usually aimed at older investers’ retirement accounts…
    My dear departed mother was the victim of such, foul, human excrement…
    They’re doing the same thing with information; pertinent, relevant, currant information, we need to survive.
    Walk carefully, and beware every step…

    #47924
    sinnycool
    Participant

    @ Ilargi “A lost people. A lost country. Nothing there.”

    Hang on Ilargi,

    We poor buggers down here in Oz suffer under the yoke of our bloody politicians just the same as the US and the UK and France and Hong Kong … and the rest of the world. That’s the way it’s all going, isn’t it.

    It’s not just this bloke who’s utterly ashamed at our treatment of Assange, crapped off mightily for being done over by Adarni via bastard political connivance, dismayed and pissed right off at the attacks of the pricks on the ABC, our national broadcaster and on and on and on!

    Everyone on the planet bar the top percenters is being pushed and shoved down Maslow’s hierarchy of needs in poor and rich countries.

    Morality, lack of prejudice, problem solving are on the top level and get increasingly discounted in the zero sum struggle for a House and Jobs n Growth. It’s a driver of intolerance towards immigrants, lack of care for things green and towards junk food.

    We know you know all that, so fair suck of the sav!

    Your old mate, Bruce.

    #47925
    Dr. D
    Participant

    “ABC Raids a Wake-Up Call to Journalists Who Left Assange Swinging (SMH)”

    SMH. Yes, Shaking My Head indeed. But don’t worry, Zuck will only censor and destroy my enemies, never me. Wait – what? Who’s that at the door? The police? BRB.

    It’s like goldfish. It’s astonishing anyone can be so credulous, yet here we are. So what am I supposed to say? I said it way back when but even AFTER it’s you, even AFTER they raid your house, arrest your sources and prosecute you, THEY STILL DON’T BELIEVE IT. THEY STILL SUPPORT IT. If you won’t respond to the 20-year air raid siren, with people being dragged off the field daily, maybe you deserve what you get, who can say?

    “The Thought Police Are Coming (Chris Hedges)”

    Speaking of not believing, the thought police are already here, and long since have been. He probably knows this but is respecting the overton window. But that’s no help, we don’t say, “perhaps peace in our time is ill-advised” after the buzz bombs have already been dropping for 3 years. After people are hauled off, you might instead say, “we are under present and mortal attack which needs to be countered.” But no. It’s always someday, further on. Not us. Can’t happen here.

    “1/3 of Americans Need a “Side Hustle” to Make Ends Meet (SHTF)”

    That’s because another +20% are already on food stamps and grifting other social programs as their side hustle. …The wealthy have nothing BUT hustle, with $20T missing + $23T bailout welfare going to themselves. Without those social programs, they would have already had to fix the problems, which shows that social programs are a payoff TO the very poor, BY the very rich, with the middle classes’ money. OF COURSE they don’t care. Look at L.A. and S.F. right now, they’re the worst of the worst. They just don’t want them stinking up Malibu and Bel Air, it’s no different than paying for private security and a gated neighborhood, only the neighborhoods and the payoffs are larger and far less moral. So long as the 60,000 “hustlers” are dying in South L.A., we’re fine. Go attack and kill more businesses that could make more jobs, because they’re the real enemy, right? However, God forbid Sachs lose money.

    “Trump Says Foreign ‘Dirt’ Not Election Interference (ZH)”

    That’s pretty weird. He’s suggesting we literally criminalize the truth? Why not? Certainly not the craziest thing this week, with Assange being extradited and Veritas being banned for doing exactly that: recording, presenting, and reporting literal, verifiable truth. It would in fact be different if it were false, but not very. We have free speech, and as a free society, Russia would be as allowed to lie about anything or any one they choose, as Germans, Indonesians, or Americans are. Who can even say what is the truth until we try to report it, then cross-check it with each other. WMDTiesToAl-Queada. That is to say, it only applies to Libel and Slander laws which are older than the U.S. itself. It’s always been so, what changed? How are we exposed now when in 1953, at the height of the cold war, with nuclear destruction hovering, we could still somehow have free speech and free discussion, because we believed freedom was stronger than oppression, the truth was stronger than lies?

    “Europe must distance itself from NATO.”

    I don’t know. It seems like Europe IS NATO, just like a single faction in the Deep State/State Dept/Lockheed-Rand/U.S. Army IS NATO. Neither regular Europeans nor regular Americans want it or want to pay for it. I guess we need more precise language on who “Europe” is in this sentence. People? Billionaires? Governments? Factions of each?

    “Australia Approves Vast Coal Mine Near Great Barrier Reef (AFP)”

    That’s okay. They can just be poor and have no A/C. It’s a valid choice. But you won’t be able to have huge energy consumption and record housing bubble if you don’t sell anything. You’ll have to live modestly, even in what today seems like poverty. And where is this going? If coal is a bad mine, then aren’t gold, copper, and nickel as well? Why wouldn’t we stop them too? Adult choices, but they are your nation’s to make. As so the rest of us, incidentally.

    “Troubling Levels of Glyphosate in Foods Marketed to Children (RT)”

    They are entirely #AntiLogos #AntiLife. They are the DeathEaters, mass murderers, and the people apparently nod their heads and say, “Hey, bub: you wants my child next? I’ll sell them cheap!” 80% of immigrant children are not related to their custodians but are almost certainly human traffickers. 100,000 children go missing a year, probably raped and murdered, and the FBI WON’T EVEN KEEP RECORDS on it because they want to solve it so little. But you know: this is only continuously, without fail, since 1960. Let’s not rush things. By the way, is it somehow different if we kill children than adults? Is one not valuable, not a citizen, not protected by like 20 laws against this thing? (Environmental regulation, fraud, reckless endangerment, manslaughter, murder 3, etc) Nope. We only enforce laws against people who REPORT on the manslaughter, fraud, endangerment, and murder. Cause, see above: #AntiLogos #AntiLife, that is our state religion, by their high priests, enforced with zeal. The people approve. What can I say?

    “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

    We’re doing less than nothing, we openly approve. So why WOULDN’T they run over us?

    #47926
    John Day
    Participant

    Who possibly would and could torpedo a Japanese oil tanker while Japanese ​Prime Minister Abe ​and Iranian officials were meeting?
    (Supposedly, Trump is using ​Abe​ to negotiate for the US. This looks like it would mess that up.​ Whose interests does that serve?​)
    2 Tankers Damaged After Torpedo Attack Near Strait Of Hormuz; Oil Soars
    ​ ​It appears earlier reports that the Front Altair had sunk were, in fact, incorrect. The ship’s captain has said that it is still afloat. VHF radio traffic confirmed that it is damaged but still afloat.
    ​ ​Hours have passed since the suspected attacks, and still nobody has claimed responsibility. Iran’s Foreign Minister Javad Zarif has noted how suspicious it is that a Japanese owned vessel would be attacked while Iranian leaders were meeting with the Japanese prime minister in Tehran.
    ​ ​And as one BBG analyst pointed out: “Fingers will certainly be pointed at Iran as the mastermind behind these events. But the potential benefits to the Persian Gulf nation are outweighed by the risks. And even if Tehran isn’t responsible, it will still suffer the consequences.”
    ​ ​Several American warships were nearby when the attack unfolded, per radio traffic, which also showed some signs of tensions with Iranian vessels: “American warship identifying itself as ‘Coalition Warship’ stating they have multiple vessels and aircraft in the vicinity. Iranian Navy calling vessels asking their intention in the area.”
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-13/2-tankers-damaged-after-suspected-torpedo-attack-near-strait-hormuz-oil-soars
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-13/false-flag-iran-has-little-gain-oman-tanker-attacks

    ​Interview with an Israeli military officer about US war with Iran. I think Eleni sent this one:
    ​ ​There are a few aspects. In purely military terms, it’s impossible to defeat Iran. It has a huge amount of territory. The Americans won’t have enough forces to deploy there. The logistics are crazy, it’s impossible for the Americans. So, there’s no opportunity to conduct a war against Iran and win it. And the Pentagon knows that better than anyone. And they warned and said it. To advance by a few miles in small, miserable Kuwait, the Americans deployed half a million servicemen there. They strained their entire army…
    In the south of Iran, there are Arabs who are Shia. And there are Arabs who are Shia and live in Iraq. And in Saudi Arabia, the area where the oil is developed is controlled by the Shia. And the majority of Kuwait’s population is Shia. 80% of Bahrain’s population is Shia. Then, such a big fire will start in the Middle East. And the Sunni won’t be able to [stop] the Iranians and pro-Iranian forces. They don’t have enough forces. Saudi Arabia has a huge military budget. Its hands are tied, so it can’t do anything to tiny Yemen. They can’t do anything to the Houthi. Therefore, in this war of Persians against Arabs, the Persians will win. And this is another problem. It means a stronger Turkey. The Americans won’t remain whole after that war. The Middle East won’t remain whole. If anyone wins, it’ll be Russia…
    ​ ​This tale about 120,000 isn’t a tale. The American servicemen, just counted that in order to maintain the U.S. presence, 120,000 servicemen are required. These aren’t operational plans. When they ask the military what it’s necessary for that, they say that they need 120,000 servicemen in order to stay in the Middle East…
    – They need one million servicemen to go to Iran. They don’t have them…
    ​ ​Trump came to the conclusion that it’s almost impossible to conduct regime change in Iran. Why almost? It’s because American specialists, who think like Americans and have no idea what the Middle East is, think that the economic environment in Iran will lead to the collapse of that regime.
    ​ ​They don’t understand what they’re talking about. The current government in Iran is stable. And nobody and nothing threats it. If Iranians will have half as much food, the government will stay. This is Iran. It isn’t Spain. That’s why everyone who thinks like Americans or Europeans, that if somebody doesn’t have enough of anything, the government will change. They treat Hamas and Iran like this.
    ​ ​They don’t understand what they’re talking about. Another option that Trump has is simple – to conduct negotiations. And all of those shouts, that hysteria, are meant to make Iranians take part in negotiations. But he wants to do it and save face, so he wants them to ask for it​.​
    https://russia-insider.com/en/israeli-officer-explains-why-us-cant-win-war-against-iran-says-us-military-knows-russian-tv-news

    ​Eleni certainly sent this article, critical perspective for US/NATO imperial military operations in the post-Soviet era.​
    ​ ​On March 24th, 1999, NATO launched its 78-day round the clock aerial assault on the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia without the approval of the United Nations Security Council. Over a thousand NATO warplanes delivered over 2,000 airstrikes in nearly 40,000 sorties, dropping over 20,000 bombs over the former Yugoslavia, killing thousands of civilian men, women, and children, as well as upwards of a thousand Yugoslav soldiers and police.[1] [2] [3] NATO employed weapons considered criminal by international law such as depleted uranium and cluster bombs.[4] [5] [6] [7] …
    By the year 2000, Yugoslavia had been ripped apart with NATO bombs, IMF restructuring and ethnic conflict. Serbia was destroyed and the rest of the republics were transformed into neocolonies of the Western powers. The most popular narrative is that the West intervened in the region out of humanitarian concern – to stop genocide. However, this claim doesn’t hold up when actual facts are brought into play. In reality, the NATO intervention in Yugoslavia was not a humanitarian one; it was instead motivated by the colonial-imperialist, economic and ideological interests of the member states of NATO – namely the United States and Germany.
    ​ ​Although the bombing was dressed up as ‘humanitarian’, all it really served to do was dismantle all that remained of socialism in Europe and once again ‘Balkanize’ and colonize the Balkans. This truth becomes obvious upon a principled analysis of the economic interests and actions of the NATO bloc before formal intervention, an investigation into how the actual intervention was handled, and a look into the current state of the former Yugoslavia. The ‘humanitarian’ and ‘democratic’ bombs dropped on Yugoslavia resulted in hundreds of billions of dollars in economic damage which dramatically reduced the living standards of the Yugoslav people – the most damaging in the region since the Nazi occupation during WWII. The strategy of Balkanization and ‘humanitarian intervention’ has become the West’s (often through NATO) modus operandi; the same strategy of partitioning unified economically nationalist and independent states first exercised over Yugoslavia has also been practiced in Iraq, Libya, and now Syria. The results are always the same – a drop in living standards, a huge resentment towards the West and NATO from the populations of the targeted countries, and a profit for the imperialist powers.
    https://www.sott.net/article/318529-The-spread-of-Balkanization-US-Empires-strategy-of-barbaric-dismemberment-of-sovereign-states-began-in-Yugoslavia

    ​More correct perspective on the empire from Eleni:​
    ​ ​Giving a speech at the ACLU last week after the Senate torture report was initially released, Hersh gave some insight into what was on the Pentagon’s secret tape.
    Debating about it, ummm … Some of the worst things that happened you don’t know about, okay? Videos, um, there are women there. Some of you may have read that they were passing letters out, communications out to their men. This is at Abu Ghraib … The women were passing messages out saying ‘Please come and kill me, because of what’s happened’ and basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys, children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. And the worst above all of that is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror. It’s going to come out.”

    Classified Evidence: US Soldiers Raped Boys In Front Of Their Mothers

    #47927

    “Australia Approves Vast Coal Mine Near Great Barrier Reef (AFP)”

    Someone on Twitter pointed out the Galilee basin is 200 km from the sea. So not near the reef

    #47928
    zerosum
    Participant

    He is being persecuted for his virtues.

    When will stools be excreted in a zip lock bag?

    Who possibly would and could torpedo a Japanese oil tanker while Japanese ​Prime Minister Abe ​and Iranian officials were meeting?
    (Supposedly, Trump is using ​Abe​ to negotiate for the US. This looks like it would mess that up.​ Whose interests does that serve?​)

    Answer:
    1. Any news that removes Trump from the headlines
    2. Anyone who would have positioned themselves to make money
    3. Someone who holds a grudge
    4. someone who does not fear retribution
    5. A racist
    6. A religious extremist (zealot, fanatic)
    7. A rich and powerful elite.
    8. An idiot

    #47929
    seychelles
    Participant

    Does the UK still operate under the rule of law? Does any western nation?
    Sometimes….it’s called situational (i.e., no) ethics. A mainstay of the NWO ideology.

    #47930
    PlanetaryCitizen
    Participant

    If a foreign government wants to make information public they are free to do so. U.S. political campaigns are not allowed to receive anything of value from a foreign government to include information (dirt). It’s against the law, as it should be. It’s a corrupting influence on the political process and makes the politician beholden to the foreign government. Not exactly rocket science, is it!

    If Trump didn’t like what Bolton was doing he would fire his ass. He either has no control over his cabinet or he wants it both ways. You know, wanting the appearance of ending wars but just can’t help it if one of his appointees starts one. Unbelievable!

    #47931
    seychelles
    Participant

    The Fed is not trying to save “us”.

    Nor is Mr. Rubino, with his exhortations to “invest” in gold.

    #47932
    zerosum
    Participant

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-13/2-tankers-damaged-after-suspected-torpedo-attack-near-strait-hormuz-oil-soars

    “It is the assessment by the United States government that the Islamic Republic of Iran is responsible for the attacks that occurred in the Gulf of Oman today,” Pompeo told reporters at the US State Department.
    “This assessment is based on intelligence, the weapons used, the level of expertise needed to execute the operation, recent similar Iranian attacks on shipping, and the fact that “

    no proxy group operating in the area has the resources and proficiency to act with such a high degree of sophistication. EXCEPT THE USA

    Pompeo just admitted, by the process of ellimination, that they are the only ones in the area who could do this damage to the oil tankers.

    #47933
    zerosum
    Participant

    Poor Trump.
    The democrats won’t let him listen to “any dirt about any opponents” if it comes from a foreigner.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/thom-tillis-trump-foreign-dirt-steele-dossier
    Sen. Tillis on Trump’s foreign dirt comments: Media ‘conveniently’ fails to ask about Steele dossier

    Too bad.

    Trump should only hire a foreigner and pay for false reports (as did the democrats). Then he should get someone who doesn’t like him to send a copy to the FBI.

    #47934
    ezlxa1949
    Participant

    Development (TM) is the God of this era.

    Adani’s crazy coal mine ruthlessly approved?
    People are irrelevant to development.

    The thought police are unleashed and unmuzzled?
    People are irrelevant to development.

    Assange and others are persecuted for their virtues?
    People are irrelevant to development.

    All corporations seek to automate all jobs?
    People are irrelevant to development.

    The elites are not people. They are die Übermenschen, a new breed, quasi-divine, destined to grow beyond the bounds of this little planet, destined to seed the universe. All the universe or nothingness!

    What of me? I am a petty man, un petit homme. What is my role in Development (TM)? Cassius: Why, man, [they do] bestride the narrow world like a Colossus, and we petty men walk under [their] huge legs and peep about to find ourselves dishonorable graves. (Julius Caesar, Act 1, scene 2).

    #47935
    PlanetaryCitizen
    Participant

    @ zerosum Christopher Steele is not a foreign government. He is a private citizen doing “oppo research.” Something you seem to espouse.

    #47936
    zerosum
    Participant

    @ zerosum Christopher Steele is not a foreign government. He is a private citizen doing “oppo research.” Something you seem to espouse.

    I cannot figure out what is your point.

    I’m I being reprimanded for something inaccurate?
    Here is what wiki has to say. He is not a USA citizen.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Steele
    Christopher David Steele (born 24 June 1964) is a British former intelligence officer with the Secret Intelligence Service MI6 from 1987 until his retirement in 2009.

    #47937
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    @zerosum

    Erm; you’re feeding the troll…
    He’s flounced twice, on top of insulting (or trying to) our host.

    #47956
    PlanetaryCitizen
    Participant

    The point is that he was hired by a Washington based political research firm. He turned his findings over to the FBI as well as the U.S. press. The information was also given to a sitting U.S. Senator, President Obama, as well as President elect Donald Trump himself. “Steele said he decided to pass his dossier to both British and American intelligence officials after concluding that the material should not just be in the hands of political opponents of Trump, but was a matter of national security for both countries.”

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