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    Unknown Mark Twain (center, white suit) and a kitten (brown fur, left of center) at Tuxedo Park 1907   • More Patients Than Beds In Mumbai As Ind
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle May 25 2020]

    #59189

    The squirt gun baptism made me laugh out loud.
    Also, thanks for the clarification on which was Twain and which was the kitten.

    #59190
    Dr. D
    Participant

    “The only real number is the total number of deaths – all causes of death, not just coronavirus. If you look at those numbers, you will see that every winter we get what is called an excess death rate. That is, during the winter more people die compared to the average, due to regular, seasonal flu epidemics, which nobody cares about. If you look at the coronavirus wave on a graph, you will see that it looks like a spike. Coronavirus comes very fast, but it also goes away very fast. The influenza wave is shallow as it takes three months to pass, but coronavirus takes one month. If you count the number of people who die in terms of excess mortality – which is the area under the curve – you will see that during the coronavirus season, we have had an excess mortality which is about 15 per cent larger than the epidemic of regular flu in 2017.

    …Mortality due to coronavirus is a fake number. Most people are not dying from coronavirus.

    …In developing countries many will die from starvation. In developed countries many will die from unemployment. Unemployment is mortality. More people will die from the measures than from the virus.”

    “Any reasonable expert …will tell you that lockdown cannot change the final number of infected people. It can only change the rate of infection. And people argue that by changing the rate of infection and ‘flattening the curve’, we prevented the collapse of hospitals. … But look at Sweden. No lockdown and no collapse of hospitals. The argument for the lockdown collapses.”

    “in 2017, 25,000 Italians died from flu complications. Now you have around 30,000 dying from coronavirus. So it is a comparable number.”

    –Yoram Lass former director-general of Israel’s Ministry of Health.

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/05/22/nothing-can-justify-this-destruction-of-peoples-lives/

    “I Think It May Have Cost Lives” – Nobel Prize Winner Michael Levitt correctly predicted the initial trajectory of the pandemic, but was ignored by now-disgraced Imperial College epidemiologist Niall Ferguson”

    “We should have seen from China that a virus never grows exponentially. From the very first case you see, exponential growth actually slows down very dramatically.

    “The problem with epidemiologists is that they feel their job is to frighten people into lockdown, social distancing. So you say ‘there’s going to be a million deaths’ and when there are only 25,000 you say ‘it’s good you listened to my advice’. This happened with Ebola and bird flu. It’s just part of the madness.”

    Prof Levitt says the global evidence shows the virus fades in dry heat and in much of the western world “there seems to be some kind of immunity”. … “I am 73 and I feel very young,” he added. “I don’t care about the risk at all. As you get old the risk of dying from disease is so high that this is the time to buy a motorcycle, go skiing!”

    Believe the exerts, not the experts. The experts know. So do what they say, and the opposite of what they say, and remember: it’s your fault!

    So…one question: since the experts all disagree and are little better than man on the street interviews, who decides which experts we get to see and hear? Would it be “experts” of manufacturing pre-determined consent?

    Virtually nothing in America’s top-down financial and political realms is actually transparent, accountable, authentic or honest. Everything in these realms is a simulated, completely self-serving projection intended to fool us–The Big Con.” Charles Hugh Smith

    Big con? NY Times publishes list of victims, which from their own presentation, is meant to be political. Problem? We haven’t even been through the list and one gentleman named was shot on the highway, and didn’t die in a bed. But I suppose they rubbed it on him on the way to the hospital and got their $17,000.

    “ More Patients Than Beds In Mumbai “

    And you’re telling me this isn’t always true?

    And in abbreviated quotations: “I cannot live in societies that spend trillions on nuclear weapons” Agree. Hey didn’t some President warn us about this in the strongest possible terms, IKEA, Ikeheart, something? And then his successor was shot over it? Meh, whatever. Two generations did nothing, why start now?

    BREAKING: Coronavirus Outbreak New Losers!

    Israel, who wants to pin stars on people who are allowed to go out. …Now where have I heard that? And soon to be, Russia, which as an app you’re required to respond to in 1 minute, even if you’re asleep, so they can track all humans in 12 time zones. …But that’s never gone bad for them or anything. Clearly human rights that will kill millions have lost in Singapore, Hong Kong, Europe, Spain

    “Stop focusing on businesses, start focusing on people.” The businesses, or rather the SMALL businesses, that literally ARE people, are the ones who do the work that allow people to EAT, live, and survive at all. They are nearly the only job creator at all, which means they are the only traffic and commerce that isn’t essentially a rentier monopoly. So small business IS people. The only honest, non-fascist ones. Definitely need to be stopped then.

    So: stop focusing on people helping people, while employing people who help people and instead focus on people. I guess the difference is when you remove the first half, the only thing you’re removing is anybody doing any work. Which means people will die. No work = everybody dies. But we’ll know that soon when the inflation starts.

    Not doing work for people = helping people? I oppose.

    “So on the one hand you want a capitalist, neo-liberal system, but on the other you want companies to work for the public good.”

    I don’t see the problem, this has been true since before “capitalism” in the modern sense. Before, you needed to explain how your idea would help the people and the nation before you could incorporate. So I’m sorry nobody’s following the law, but since this doesn’t seem to be working, we might look into trying it. You know, going back to the days when things functioned, and the rules that existed then.

    “I remain amused by all the calls of hyperinflation”

    He’s not wrong, but it won’t matter until it suddenly matters. These things aren’t cost-free, and they’re having all kinds of bad effects, just not hyperinflation until later.

    “Japan Eyes Stimulus Plan Worth Over $929 Billion To Battle Pandemic (TRT)”

    Same as here: print a trillion in dollars, then cut the availability of goods in half by arresting anyone who produces or works. No one will work and everyone will eat: socialism defined! Okay. Everyone loves this and thinks it’s super-smart, so here we go. Apparently I’m going to profit on your suicide while begging you not to do it.

    states have lockdowns in effect and people go out and in places like Tokyo there is no lockdown and everyone stays inside”

    Goes to show the character of the people and the nation. You’re not going to stop that by saying, “Well I told them.” “I demand to speak to your manager.” It’s going to go the way it goes despite all the hot air. I’m pleased Asia is generally like this, but it also has substantial disadvantages. They can do as they please, but here, Karen won’t leave me alone. They’ll probably invent a law to inspect my bedposts, like they did in New Zealand. I oppose. Because they’ll use it to expose and imprison all the reporters, protesters, and whistleblowers, which they already have. Apparently no one notices, they like it, and want more.

    We managed to live in a world with nuclear bombs. But we won’t survive living in a world like that. “Public Safety” and the collective good, censorship, self-censorship, and gun control are the hallmarks of the Nazis, because they are National Democratic Socialists. I oppose. I don’t think that is unreasonable although our way has costs too.

    #59191
    zerosum
    Participant

    Memorial day — bad memories —
    —-
    The gov. wants laws for paid sick days for everyone ….
    to save the employees
    ….to save the employers ….
    ——–
    Humans are full of benign flues, germs, bacteria, molds, spores, virus
    Therefore, there is a high probability that there exists a benign precursor virus to the covid-19 virus …
    What activated that benign precursor virus ….
    An unintended reaction with a new or old flue shot?????

    #59193
    Kimo
    Participant

    “lockdowns”
    Where authority discourages HCQ/zinc, I presume authority is compromised.
    “India scares me, despite their HCQ campaign”
    I have read somewhere that India distributes HCQ to all household members where a suspected case is found. If true, this would appear tremendously supportive of self reliance, verses hospitalization. Do they track overall deaths well? It might be all that one gets.
    Senegal is still the minimalist country I watch. One dollar test kits, $60 ventilators under development a month ago.

    They seem to be doing well lately.
    https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg24632823-700-cheap-and-easy-1-coronavirus-test-to-undergo-trials-in-senegal/
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/21/africa-coronavirus-successes-innovation-europe-us

    #59194

    Whoa- for a second there I thought I had made a hyperlink. Oh well- what I want to tell zerosum is that there was new “quadrivalent cell-based” flu shot introduced for the last season. The CDC has it on their website, and it’s called “flucelvax”. They don’t mention what mammalian species they used.

    #59195
    anticlimactic
    Participant

    RUSSIA

    Russia used another anti-malarial drug to treat the virus from the beginniing [Mefloquine I think], plus some HCQ. Reports seem to suggest HCQ is being used more than it was.

    The Russians have widespread testing so may be picking up more cases than other countries.

    Their death rate at 1% of reported cases is to be envied. Okay, so to be attacked because not enough Russians are dying!

    ‘Reported cases’ is a fantasy figure which usually means someone needed medical attention. There have probably been over 5 million infections in the UK alone!

    In context, assuming an average lifespan of 70 there will have been about 45 million deaths in the world so far this year. 7.8 billion/70 gives 114 million expected deaths worldwide for the whole year.

    Add more for all those who will die because of the lockdowns.

    The virus has so far killed 0.00445% of the global population!

    #59196
    zerosum
    Participant

    my parents said know
    Thanks for the help in finding info

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/cell-based.htm
    Egg-Based Flu Vaccines
    The most common way that flu vaccines are made is using an egg-based manufacturing process that has been used for more than 70 years.

    Cell-Based Flu Vaccines
    Brand name: Flucelvax Quadrivalent technology?
    A clinical trial of the previous trivalent formulation of Flucelvax demonstrated effectiveness and safety among persons 18 through 49 years of age. In immunogenicity studies among people 18 years if age and older and 4 through 17 years of age, Flucelvax Quadrivalent was found to produce a similar immune response to the trivalent formulation. Post-vaccination symptoms were typical of those seen with other injectable influenza vaccines.

    Has cell-based technology been used before?
    Cell culture technology has been used to produce other U.S.-licensed vaccines, including vaccines for rotavirus, polio, smallpox, hepatitis, rubella and chickenpox.

    Cell-based flu vaccines have been approved for use in multiple European countries.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/how-fluvaccine-made.htm
    Cell-Based Flu Vaccines
    There also is a cell-based production process for flu vaccines that was approved by FDA in 2012.
    Recombinant Flu Vaccines
    There is a third production technology for flu vaccines that was approved for use in the U.S. market in 2013 and that involves using recombinant technologyexternal icon.
    —–
    As an extra source of info ….
    https://www.niaid.nih.gov/diseases-conditions/influenza-vaccines
    niversal Influenza Vaccine Research
    A key focus of NIAID’s influenza research program is developing a universal flu vaccine—one that could protect against multiple flu subtypes and eliminate the need for an annual seasonal flu vaccine. Read more about universal flu vaccine research.

    #59197
    zerosum
    Participant

    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/it-was-designed-infect-humans-covid-19-cell-culture-theory-gains-steam
    “Like It Was Designed To Infect Humans”: COVID-19 ‘Cell Culture’ Theory Gains Steam
    The paper, currently under peer review, comes from Flinders University Professor Nikolai Petrovsky, who has spent over two decades developing vaccines against influenza, Ebola, and animal Sars. He says his findings allow for the possibility that COVID-19 leaked from a laboratory, according to Sky News.
    “One of the possibilities is that an animal host was infected by two coronaviruses at the same time and COVID-19 is the progeny of that interaction between the two viruses. -Sky News

    “The same process can happen in a petri-dish,” added Petrovsky. “If you have cells in culture and you have human cells in that culture which the viruses are infecting, then if there are two viruses in that dish, they can swap genetic information and you can accidentally or deliberately create a whole third new virus out of that system.”

    “In other words COVID-19 could have been created from that recombination event in an animal host or it could have occurred in a cell-culture experiment.”

    Petrovsky has called for immediate investigation now, and not when the pandemic is over – calling any delay in fact finding a “mistake.”

    “I’m certainly very much in favour of a scientific investigation. It’s only objective should be to get to the bottom of how did this pandemic happen and how do we prevent a future pandemic…. not to have a witch-hunt.”

    #59198
    WES
    Participant

    Zerosum:

    We don’t need a witch hunt!

    Reminds me of an ancestor, Bridget Bishop, who wasn’t so lucky! She was the first witch to be hung in Salem, on Gallows Hill, on June 10th, 1692.

    She was also one of the last witches to be pardoned too but only, how ironic, on Halloween 2001, over 3 centuries later!

    #59199
    ₿oogaloo
    Participant

    This morning I was listening to one of my regular podcasts, one that focuses on health and fitness. The focus of the show is not on the current pandemic, but that occasionally does come up in the conversation. One of the issues they were talking about was the nature of the one dimensional “one size fits all” draconian response in the US, and the mental health effects it is having. They brought that back to the problem of the corporate media, and the shortage of objective, balanced, scientific information, and then a comment along these lines: “If I had to rely on the mainstream media and social media for my sources of information and viewpoints about this virus, I would go f&%#ing crazy.” In my gut I think I know what he is saying, but I cannot really be sure because I do not watch any mainstream media, and I never did the social media thing. No Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, Google Plus for me. Too toxic.

    For all the recent talk about the lockdowns increasing depression and suicide, I wonder how much of that comes from the toxic effects of social media. Presumably people stuck indoors will spend more time watching the MSM and online social media. Should we be surprised if the suicide rate goes up?

    In Japan, Hana Kimura, a 22 year old female professional wrestler committed suicide on Saturday. I had never heard of her before. I do not watch pro wrestling. I had no idea that Japanese women were into that sort of thing. But her death is a big story in Asia now. The reason: cyberbullying. People posting online that they wished she was dead. The day she died she tweeted: “Every day, I receive nearly 100 honest opinions and I cannot deny that I get hurt.” She also wrote: “Thank you for giving birth to me, Mom. I wanted to be loved in life.”
    https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3085992/japans-hana-kimura-mourned-terrace-house-cast-say-they

    Of course these types of tragedies happened long before the virus came along, but I would expect a lot more of this overdose on toxic media during the present crisis.

    Back to the podcast, they also lamented that organizations like the WHO and CDC have done absolutely nothing to empower people to look after their own health to improve the odds of a better outcome if they do get sick. Nothing about the importance of vitamin D, good nutrition, more exercise, or getting people ready. Where to go for meaningful useful information? I would go f&%#ing insane if not for sites like TAE. Once again, thanks to Ilargi for all of the hard work.

    #59200
    John Day
    Participant

    I have finally had some time to put some things in order for another news dredge, and to ctch up reading TAE since last Thursday. Friday is long day at (paid clinic) work and Saturday was a very full day at (unpaid homestead project) work. Sunday was split between Yoakum and Austin, as was Memorial Day Monday, with visiting injured son, doing tasks together, since I’m not on crutches.
    But I have THIS for you… I’ll post it all in the morning before work tomorrow. http://www.johndayblog.com

    On December 9, 2019, long before the world knew anything about it, a video interview took place with one of the key players in the COVID-19 drama, Dr Peter Daszak, President of the EcoHealth Alliance, who inadvertently may have provided indications of its true origin.
      Much of that discussion centred around the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS) epidemic of 2002-2004, which was believed to have originated in bats, although civets may have acted as an intermediate host.
      While circulating in animals, the SARS virus mutated, acquiring the ability to infect humans, which it was assumed to have done so, infecting workers in a Guangdong, China animal market.
      That explanation became the narrative now being promoted by the Chinese Communist Party, the media and some Western scientists to convince the world that COVID-19 was a naturally-occurring outbreak.
      Beginning at 27:49, Dr Daszak explains the basis of the naturally-occurring narrative and the collection of over one hundred bat coronaviruses capable of infecting humans, but untreatable with drugs or vaccines. Those coronaviruses are presumed to be stored in Chinese laboratories.
      “So, we did a couple of things with it. So, one is around SARS. We focused on SARS coronavirus emerged from a wildlife market. And whilst the first pandemic of this century. So, it’s big event. And, so we started to trace back from the wildlife market, which species carried the virus, that came into those markets. We found that it was bats, not civets, was the original idea. So, we started looking where did they come from. And we went out to southern China. And did surveillance of bats across southern China. And we’ve now found, after six or seven years of doing this, over one hundred new SARS-related coronaviruses, very close to SARS. Some of them get into human cells in the lab. And some of them can cause SARS disease in humanized mouse models. And are untreatable with therapeutic monoclonals [antibodies] and you can’t vaccinate against them with a vaccine.”
      At 29:51, Dr Daszak describes bioengineering of those viruses by inserting components of one coronavirus into another.
      “Well, I think, coronavirus is a pretty good, I mean, you’re a virologist [the interviewer], you know all this stuff, but the, you can manipulate them in the lab pretty easily. Spike protein drives a lot of what happens with the coronavirus, zoonotic risk. So, you can get the sequence, you can build the protein, and we work with Ralph Baric at UNC [University of North Carolina] to do this. Insert it into a backbone of another virus, and do some work in the lab. So, you can get more predictive, when you find the sequence. You have this diversity. Now, the logical progression for vaccines is, if you are going to develop a vaccine for SARS, people are going to use pandemic SARS, but let’s try to insert these other related and get a better vaccine.”
      In 2015, Ralph Baric from the University of North Carolina and Zheng-Li Shi, the “bat woman” from the Wuhan Institute of Virology jointly published a scientific article describing the combination of the receptor-binding spike protein from a newly isolated coronavirus (SHC014) and the “backbone” from SARS-CoV, the coronavirus responsible for the 2002-2003 pandemic.
      That experiment produced a novel virus, chimera SHC014-MA15, which showed “robust viral replication both in vitro [cell cultures] and in vivo [animals],” using models adapted to test human infectivity.
      The scientific consensus claims that COVID-19, like SARS, originated in bats.
      There is conclusive scientific evidence, however, that COVID-19’s receptor binding domain within the spike protein is structurally closest to that of pangolins (scaly anteaters), not bats, and it was the result of a recombination, not convergent evolution.
    Yet, pangolins have been ruled out as the intermediate host for COVID-19.
      Even Dr Ralph Baric in a March 15, 2020 interview, beginning at the 27:40 time point, stated unequivocally, that pangolins were not the source of COVID-19:
      “Pangolins have over 3,000 nucleotide changes – no way they are the reservoir species [for COVID-19], absolutely no chance.”
      It is, therefore, logical to conclude that the recombinant event resulting in a pangolin receptor binding domain within a bat coronavirus backbone must have occurred in a laboratory, in a manner similar to the experiment conducted by Ralph Baric and Zheng-Li Shi in 2015.
      Furthermore, COVID-19’s S1/S2 furin polybasic cleavage site, a distinctive feature widely known for its ability to enhance pathogenicity and transmissibility in coronaviruses, does not appear in any of 45 bat, 5 human SARS, 2 civet, 1 pangolin and 1 racoon dog coronaviruses, that have S1/S2 junction structures otherwise identical or nearly identical to COVID-19.
      There is no credible scientific evidence that the furin polybasic cleavage site evolved naturally, although the methods for artificially inserting such cleavage sites are well-established.https://www.wionews.com/opinions-blogs/tracing-the-origins-of-covid-19-300766

    #59201
    zerosum
    Participant

    John Day

    UNINTENDED OUTCOME
    SECOND WAVE

    1. 70 years,
    2. a cell-based production process for flu vaccines that was approved by FDA in 2012,
    3. in 2013 and that involves using recombinant technologyexternal icon.

    “In other words COVID-19 could have been created from that recombination event in an animal host or it could have occurred in a cell-culture experiment.

    #59202
    WES
    Participant

    Here in Toronto I went out grocery shopping today. Still some empty grocery shelves mostly in baking isle.

    My best estimate of people wearing masks is 25%.

    I would say slightly fewer people are wearing masks than previous weeks.

    Coronavirus cases are increasing in Ontario.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the death rate in Ontario is falling since we have probably killed off most of the old folks in our nursing homes.

    #59203
    WES
    Participant

    It is looking more and more likely the coronavirus was created in a lab. Just as we initially thought it was.

    #59204
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    mpsk: the new “quadrivalent cell-based” flu shot… called “flucelvax”. They don’t mention what mammalian species they used.

    Flucelvax® (Optaflu® in Europe) is said to use dog kidney cells, originally Cocker Spaniel. (Another flu vaccine, FluBlok, is a recombinant produced in insect cell culture, according to an article titled FluBlok, a next generation influenza vaccine manufactured in insect cells, but they don’t mention what insect species is used.)

    “Flucelvax®/Optaflu® (brand names in the US/EU, respectively)… The Madin–Darby canine kidney 33016PF suspension cell line used to manufacture Flucelvax/Optaflu…
    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1586/14760584.2015.1039520

    Wikipedia says, “Following the initial isolation in 1958 of epithelial cells from the kidney tubule of an adult Cocker Spaniel dog by S. H. Madin and N. B. Darby, the cell line bearing their name was employed primarily as a model for viral infection of mammalian cells…”

    #59205
    John Day
    Participant

    @zerosum,
    Yep, I saw that article you posted and thought you might like what I found.
    When I catch up on TAE, I catch up on the comments, too.


    @WES

    100% masks in Austin grocery store twice today, and looks like over 70% out in Lockhart, which is increasing, not decreasing.

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