November 3, 2021 at 7:49 pm #91507teriParticipant
The Guardian has an article up that reads, in its third paragraph, “Over the last month, 4,409 people over 50 were admitted to English hospitals after testing positive for Covid – despite having two doses of a vaccine. And 2,148 men and women in that age group lost their lives.” It goes on to this, “The best way to protect the elderly and vulnerable this winter is, say government scientists, a booster programme. The third vaccine dose will eventually be offered to 30 million people over 50, medical staff, and younger adults with some health conditions.[…]”
Yes, they are saying that about half the people over the age of 50 who were “fully vaccinated”, but who then got sick enough to enter the hospital died anyway. And by the way, if anyone over 50 is now considered “elderly”, I can only assume someone has re-defined the word “elderly” the same way someone re-defined the word “vaccine”.
The Guardian is using this statistic to tell everyone that this is why you ought to get another booster pronto. Looks like most of the commenters are very worried about why they can’t find a closer place to get said booster or why they couldn’t get on the booster list for a quicker appointment. I would have read more of the comments, but my head hurt from banging it on the desk so many times, so I quit reading the comment section after a dozen or so.
Full article here: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-59122646November 3, 2021 at 8:31 pm #91508teriParticipant
Those vaccines for children – shit. There are NO studies and the FDA let Pfizer/BioNTech defer any studies until later.
I found this from the FDA to BioTech Manufacturing, dated Aug. 23, 2021, regarding their Biologics License Application (BLA) for the use of the vaccine in children and pregnant women. The application to broaden the use of their vaccine was received by the FDA on May 18, 2021.
The FDA found that they were applying for approval to administer vaccines (the COMIRNATY vaccine) to groups not yet approved for its use: to wit; children under 16 and pregnant women. In order to approve it, the FDA has to have studies that prove it is safe and effective, unless the FDA decides to “defer” the studies until a later date. So that is what they did. Absent any current studies, they outline the deferred dates that BioNTech/Pfizer has to abide by in their studies for pediatric and pregnancy use. In other words, there are no studies that show either safety or efficacy for this vaccine, but the FDA just approved them for kids anyway and told Pfizer to do the studies later. The reasoning for this is circular – we already approved it for those over 16 and you didn’t do studies on anyone under 16, so we’ll approve it now and you do the studies, y’know, when you get around to it.
The study dates are pretty far out on the horizon. I am copying a few of them in between the rows of stars (for some reason, I still don’t have any formatting options here, so I can not indent quotes.)
Under the Pediatric Research Equity Act (PREA) (21 U.S.C. 355c), all applications for new active ingredients, new indications, new dosage forms, new dosing regimens, or new routes of administration are required to contain an assessment of the safety and effectiveness of the product for the claimed indication in pediatric patients unless this requirement is waived, deferred, or inapplicable.
We are deferring submission of your pediatric studies for ages younger than 16 years for this application because this product is ready for approval for use in individuals 16 years of age and older, and the pediatric studies for younger ages have not been completed.
Deferred pediatric Study C4591001 to evaluate the safety and effectiveness of COMIRNATY in children 12 years through 15 years of age.
Study Completion: May 31, 2023
Final Report Submission: October 31, 2023
Deferred pediatric Study C4591007t to evaluate the safety and effectiveness of COMIRNATY in infants and children 6 months to <12 years of age.
Study Completion: November 30, 2023
Final Report Submission: May 31, 2024
Deferred pediatric Study C4591023 to evaluate the safety and effectiveness of COMIRNATY in infants <6 months of age.
Study Completion: July 31, 2024
Final Report Submission: October 31, 2024
The FDA goes on to admit that myocarditis and pericarditis are actual risks, so they are requiring BioNTech/Pfizer to do the following studies (note the end dates of the studies):
We have determined that an analysis of spontaneous postmarketing adverse events reported under section 505(k)(1) of the FDCA will not be sufficient to assess known serious risks of myocarditis and pericarditis and identify an unexpected serious risk of subclinical myocarditis.
Furthermore, the pharmacovigilance system that FDA is required to maintain under section 505(k)(3) of the FDCA is not sufficient to assess these serious risks.
Therefore, based on appropriate scientific data, we have determined that you are required to conduct the following studies:
Study C4591009,entitled “ANon-Interventional Post-Approval Safety Study of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine in the United States,” to evaluate the occurrence of myocarditis and pericarditis following administration of COMIRNATY. We acknowledge the timetable you submitted on August 21, 2021, which states that you will conduct this study according to the following schedule:
Final Protocol Submission: August 31, 2021
Monitoring Report Submission: October 31, 2022
Interim Report Submission: October 31,2023
Study Completion: June 30, 2025
Final Report Submission: October 31, 2025
Study C4591036, a prospective cohort study with at least 5 years of
follow-up for potential long-term sequelae of myocarditis after vaccination
(in collaboration with Pediatric Heart Network).
We acknowledge the timetable you submitted on August 21, 2021, which
states that you will conduct this study according to the following schedule:
Final Protocol Submission: November 30, 2021
Study Completion: December 31, 2026
Final Report Submission: May 31, 2027
Study C4591007 substudy to prospectively assess the incidence of subclinical myocarditis following administration of the second dose of COMIRNATY in a subset of participants 5 through 15 years of age.
We acknowledge the timetable you submitted on August 21, 2021, which states that you will conduct this assessment according to the following schedule:
Final Protocol Submission: September 30, 2021
Study Completion: November 30, 2023
Final Report Submission: May 31, 2024
Regarding the use of their vaccine in pregnant women, the required safety study on vaccine exposure during pregnancy will not be completed until June 30, 2025, with the final report due Dec. 31, 2025.
The entire letter with its set of protocols and study requirements may be read here:November 3, 2021 at 8:36 pm #91509TAE SummaryParticipant
* The Benefits of Hesitancy: He who hesitates is sometimes saved
* The Danger of Occam’s Razor: It can shave your face or slit your throat
* The Reason: Molnupiravir does not interfere with vaccine EUA’s because molnupiravir itself only has EUA
* The Long Term Consequences: The younger you are the more they matter
* The New Definition: Vaccine, noun: An expensive treatment claimed by the manufacturer to be safe and effective for any measurable prevention of a specific disease
* The Final Segregation: Cemeteries create separate sections for the vaxxed and unvaxxed
* The New Insanity: Stop doing what has always worked yet expecting the previous results
* The Gates Future: You will own everything and hate it
* The New Logic: Post vaxx ergo propter the unvaxxed
To action alone you have a right and never to its fruits. Let not your motive be the fruits of action; nor let there be in you any attachment to inaction.
Fixed in yoga, O winner of wealth, do your work, renouncing attachment and remaining even-minded in both success and failure.
Pitiful are those who work for results.
Bhagavad GitaNovember 3, 2021 at 8:57 pm #91510Mr. HouseParticipant
Yep, i had those exact same symptoms when i had it. Maybe she has mental health problems?November 3, 2021 at 9:08 pm #91511Mr. HouseParticipant
I’ve been reading Jessescafeamericain since 2008 and am disappointed in his latest
“The irrational mask and vaccine antipathy are sign of hysteria, and the mass persuasion of the not so hidden persuaders of the oligarchs, who are operating on longer term agendas of their own.”
I see, so believing that Russians were running .gov and trump was getting golden showers and putting all your faith in a sparsely tested jab with no safety history and was developed in a few months is not hysteria. I think he’s got this one wrong, which is sad because of everyone i’ve been reading since 2008 he’s generally been level headed.November 3, 2021 at 9:32 pm #91512
> * The Danger of Occam’s Razor: It can shave your face or slit your throat <
Who’s your daddy
High-paying jobs in disinfo just nowNovember 3, 2021 at 9:39 pm #91513
> I think he’s got this one wrong, which is sad because of everyone i’ve been reading since 2008 he’s generally been level headed. <
How did so many like him get it so wrong- and all at the same time!- while still staying obtusely, utterly, immune to evidence?
What explanation best and most simply fits the facts ?November 3, 2021 at 9:44 pm #91514
Like I said – “Dies Suddenly” is the new “Rare” :
I wonder just how many of these “sudden” deaths of young people it will take to wake people up.
Today was the first day they began injecting 5-11 year olds in the USA.
Go USA!!November 3, 2021 at 9:48 pm #91515November 3, 2021 at 9:49 pm #91516
> Like I said – “Dies Suddenly” is the new “Rare” <
I said a few months back it’s a subtle form on terrorism on the “vaxxed” citizenry, among other things. That still seems like a good fit to me: why make it big NYT-ish news, otherwise?
“oopsie!”November 3, 2021 at 9:51 pm #91517November 3, 2021 at 9:56 pm #91518
What a hoot!!
“Fully-vaxxed LA Mayor Eric Garcetti tests positive for COVID at COP262November 3, 2021 at 9:58 pm #91519
Yeah – sure!
“Germany is experiencing a ‘massive’ pandemic of the unvaccinated, says health minister”November 3, 2021 at 10:19 pm #91520John DayParticipant
@Germ: I hope your friend just has acid reflux and esophageal spasm.
@Mr.House: Tidy little package, my great-reset-conspiracy-theory, innit?
@WES: I think Mark Carney got promoted for massive wealth transfer to the most wealthy, as you said.
@Those Darned Kids: Dutton looks nice, kind of like Yoakum. Give up F-35s. Yes.
@Zerosum: Warm shower. Yes.
@Userzeroid: I’m a vegetarian. No Soylent Green, please.November 3, 2021 at 10:25 pm #91521John DayParticipant
@Germ: That wench is spiTTing “HeSSS NoTTT VACCCInaTTeD!” at the poor guy in the passenger seat.
Stewardess and Pilot were most cool and collected… Commendable poise they showed.
Thanks as always for finding the gems…November 3, 2021 at 11:00 pm #91522choochParticipant
Soft mandate option ready. This will give reprieve for those with a cloud of termination hanging over their head. So is imminently this week or Dec. 7th?
Stick to your guns and don’t take the shot. We have networked with some employees that got the shot but oppose the mandate. They are holding off uploading vax papers and applying for exemptions making the resistance look larger.
OSHA’s COVID-19 Vaccination and Testing Emergency Temporary Standard Set to Issue Imminently
Additionally, a Department of Labor spokesman shared this statement this morning:
“On November 1, the Office of Management and Budget completed its regulatory review of the emergency temporary standard. The Federal Register will publish the emergency temporary standard in the coming days. [OSHA] has been working expeditiously to develop an emergency temporary standard that covers employers with 100 or more employees, firm- or company-wide, and provides options for compliance…. Covered employers must develop, implement, and enforce a mandatory COVID-19 vaccination policy, unless they adopt a policy requiring employees to choose either to get vaccinated or to undergo regular COVID-19 testing and wear a face covering at work. The ETS also requires employers to provide paid time to workers to get vaccinated and paid sick leave to recover from any side effects.”November 3, 2021 at 11:57 pm #91523₿oogalooParticipant
Trying to post a jpg file with this.November 4, 2021 at 1:22 am #91524oxymoronParticipantNovember 4, 2021 at 2:21 am #91525Doc RobinsonParticipant
Published in Newsweek:
How Fauci Fooled America
by Martin Kulldorff and Jay Bhattacharya
“…Unfortunately, Dr. Fauci got major epidemiology and public health questions wrong. Reality and scientific studies have now caught up with him…
By pushing vaccine mandates, Dr. Fauci ignores naturally acquired immunity among the COVID-recovered, of which there are more than 45 million in the United States… Under Fauci’s mandates, hospitals are firing heroic nurses who recovered from COVID they contracted while caring for patients. With their superior immunity, they can safely care for the oldest and frailest patients with even lower transmission risk than the vaccinated…
After more than 700,000 reported COVID deaths in America, we now know that lockdowns failed to protect high-risk older people. When confronted with the idea of focused protection of the vulnerable, Dr. Fauci admitted he had no idea how to accomplish it, arguing that it would be impossible. That may be understandable for a lab scientist, but public health scientists have presented many concrete suggestions that would have helped, had Fauci and other officials not ignored them…
Considering the devastating effects of school closures on children, Dr. Fauci’s advocacy for school closures may be the single biggest mistake of his career…
A fundamental public health principle is that health is multidimensional; the control of a single infectious disease is not synonymous with health. As an immunologist, Dr. Fauci failed to properly consider and weigh the disastrous effects lockdowns would have on cancer detection and treatment, cardiovascular disease outcomes, diabetes care, childhood vaccination rates, mental health and opioid overdoses, to name a few. Americans will live with—and die from—this collateral damage for many years to come…
Martin Kulldorff, Ph.D., is an epidemiologist, biostatistician, and Professor of Medicine at Harvard Medical School.
Jay Bhattacharya, MD, Ph.D., is a Professor of Health Policy at Stanford University School of Medicine.November 4, 2021 at 2:41 am #91526TAE SummaryParticipant
A Summary in Limericks
There once was a girl from Racine
Got Covid and acted obscene
Delirious and nude …
In a world-peace mood …
For Pete’s sake! She needs the vaccine!
Get vaxxed with no lame hesitation
With friends and then join in elation
If after the shot
You die from a clot
It’s kismet, there is no relation
Italians have changed their statistic
Rejecting the logic simplistic
“With cancer you died;
One virus inside;
Your death is by Covid”: Sophistic
When caught in a damning position
And silence is tacit admission
Announce without shame
You’re free from all blame
Your crime has a changed definition
When flying to some new location
Insist that all have vaccination
Seatmate’s got no jab?
You’re soon dead on a slab.
Demand. And accept no cunctation.November 4, 2021 at 3:07 am #91527cloudhiddenParticipant
@ Oxy your post 91524: Have to have a Fbook acct to see it.
I have no act,
Fbook is the enemyNovember 4, 2021 at 3:17 am #91528my parents said knowParticipant
Just a quick perusal of “custom range- dies suddenly” indicates how sickening “dies suddenly” is now.
Pretty soon it will be seven year olds.
Parents are sleepwalking their children into possible death. Two years ago they wouldn’t have let them outside without a helmet.
?????????!!!!!!!!November 4, 2021 at 4:01 am #91529sumac.carolParticipant
Just in: the Ontario government will not be mandating vaccines for health care workers. I guess they are seeing the writing on the wall. In Nova Scotia, a high school graduate with a 94% average could not get into nursing because, get this, nursing training requires some period of supervised work, and nurses who are working are so busy that they don’t have time to train new nurses.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/nursing-shortage-program-seats-1.6234226November 4, 2021 at 10:07 am #91533Dr. DParticipant
A Flock of Seagulls?
Definitely a straight-swap from AGW Carbon-credits to the Covid. Strange how no matter what happens, it always has the same solution: more money and power for me!
I have often thought the Green Plan was to get us into a failing corner (just like “helping” health care Federally so it collapses in order to replace it) and then saying “Oops! Guess our only possible answer now is nuclear. It’s non-carbon!” That overcomes the nuclear reservations, in fact, I already heard top Greenies demanding it. Embarrassing. They so stupid and led by the nose. How is that at all green, or even economical? You need to decentralize and use LESS, silly, but that would move power and money back to the people.
“Green Bubble” is right, these social-ESG Funds (which are the opposite of all green, investing in power-and-road hungry Apple, Amazon, etc) is the way to get Al Gore’s trillion dollar Greenie-payout that got waylaid. But with Powell’s money, ain’t it grand idiot sons never have to take a loss? A Wooster always helps out a Pal.
As the dumbest guys in the room, murdering any dissenters according to “free will” and “natural law”, they actually think they’re so special they can live without the working class. Like a king with no subjects, or, as today, the 20 dead-end managers with no employee reports every company is saddled with. Okay bud, who’s going to fix your private jet parts, pave the runway, and fix the plumbing at St. James? And they’ll still make pipes, asphalt for that? No they won’t you retards: the present level of luxury comes directly from the economies-of-scale that require 500,000-1M normal people below you.
Here’s a thought exercise: why don’t you tell me how you’re going to live in luxury on Mars? Where there are no people, no workers, no infrastructure in your techno-fantasy you never tested. Oh, we don’t have #10 phillips machine screws with a left-handed spankler on them? Oops, sorry, plumbing and electric stop because you don’t have this 10c part. This is happening all over now, and is working its way up to Bentley parts.
I wouldn’t mind they’re so dumb as to kill themselves with narcissistic grandeur, it would serve Yale right, but they want to take the rest of us with them.
As I say about a thousand times: there is no CO2 increase from methane. The methane released is equal to the carbon sequestered in the grass an hour ago.
Yes, I’ve posted the math that if you just drove half as far to work there’d be a non-stop oil surplus. That just involves local choices. Instead, they want both hypothecated carbon-trading for Sachs and new nuclear reactors. Green!
Hate to say it, but when we’re done this will destroy the FDA, which is fine with me.
“I wonder just how many of these “sudden” deaths of young people it will take to wake people up.”
Infinity, I think. Like Einstein said.
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