Debt Rattle October 21 2022

 

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  • #119010
    John Day
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    Turkey is also key to European gas pipelines from the waters off Israel and Lebanon, to the giant Iranian Pars gas field, which have been delayed by wars.
    ​ ​Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said on Wednesday that he had agreed with his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin to form a natural gas hub in Turkey…
    ​ ​“Türkiye will be a hub for natural gas as well. In our last meeting, we agreed with Putin on this issue. We will create a hub here with Turkish gas coming from Russia,” Erdogan said.
    ​ ​The U.S. State Department fired back.
    ​ ​“We have worked closely with our allies and partners to impose severe and unprecedented costs on Russia, including through sanctions, export controls, visa restrictions. We have urged Turkey and all of our allies and partners that no one should have become a safe haven for illicit Russian assets or transactions, and we will continue to make that case,” Vedant Patel, State Department’s principal deputy spokesperson said.
    https://greekreporter.com/2022/10/20/u-s-slams-turkey-russia-gas-deal/

    ​Eat cake now​. Virtuous austerity soonish.
    Video: Biden Energy Advisor Admits That The Regime Wants To Limit Oil Production “To Accelerate The Transition”
    While asking oil companies to increase production now and tapping more reserves to bring gas prices down before mid term elections

    Video: Biden Energy Advisor Admits That The Regime Wants To Limit Oil Production “To Accelerate The Transition”

    ​Reflections on the perceived paucity of intelligent life in the universe. I think that other intelligent life could be different from us. Whaddaya think?
    ​ ‘Stargazing Live’ presenter Brian Cox believes the search for celestial life will ultimately prove futile. Cox believes that any alien civilization is destined to wipe itself out shortly after it evolves.
    ​ ​“One solution to the Fermi paradox is that it is not possible to run a world that has the power to destroy itself and that needs global collaborative solutions to prevent that,” Cox said.
    ​ ​The physicist explained that advances in science and technology would rapidly outstrip the development of institutions capable of keeping them under control, leading to the civilizations self-destruction: “It may be that the growth of science and engineering inevitably outstrips the development of political expertise, leading to disaster. We could be approaching that position.”

    Rare Earth updates: recent research on why intelligent life is probably rare in the Universe

    #119011
    Afewknowthetruth
    Participant

    What people are noticing here is the surge in grocery prices.

    The $5 weatbix going to $5.20 and then $5.80; the cans of beans going from 80c to $1 to $1.20; the $5 coffee packs going to $6 and then $7.

    18 months ago diesel was around $1.10 a litre; today it’s around $2.70.

    91 petrol is currently just under that.

    During the earlier surge in fuel prices the government panicked and removed a fuel surcharge. That surcharge is flagged to return early 2023, i.e. another 25 cents per litle on fuel (in addition to what markets dictate….I see that Brent is on the move again, but it is still very cheap compared to the early 2000s price when one considers the devaluation of fiat currencies by central banks over the past 20 years.)

    #119012
    Afewknowthetruth
    Participant

    Since we are in a progress trap, all the empty rhetoric along the lines of:

    drill for oil versus don’t drill for oil

    pipe or transport gas from x to y, or from x to z to y

    sell oil or gas to nation x or y or z versus don’t sell oil or gas to nation x or y or z

    use fossil fuels to construct [short-life-expectancy] wind turbines and solar panels

    use fossil fuels to distribute food made from insects

    and practically everything else we hear on a daily basis about ‘transitioning’ is all bollocks. It’s all ‘white noise’.

    Humanity in on the pathway that leads to medieval energy arrangements, i.e. energy restricted to whatever sunlight is captured by plants in the immediate vicinity. That is not a lot compared to the energy-squandering habits of people living in industrialised nations…of the order of 1%.

    People in industrialised nations have 100 human-equivalent energy slaves working day and night to support their lifestyles. And they are not going to change their lifestyles voluntarily. They have been carefully trained by the controllers to expect to have 100 human-equivalent energy slaves working for them day and night. They will go out into the street to demand that their 100 human-equivalent energy slaves be delivered to them!

    The crux of the matter is that humanity was put on the pathway that leads to a return to medieval energy arrangements the day that Newcomen started feeding coal into the boiler of his steam-powered water pump. to access more coal. (We could go back a little and blame Savory for this mess, since he perfected a French steam pump in 1698).

    Sure, it’s taken just over 300 years for that fateful decision -using coal to access more coal- to reach its natural conclusion, a global energy predicament. But that’s where we are now: in the midst of a global energy predicament that has no solution.

    What distinguishes the current period from the early eighteenth century when humanity took one more of many ‘wrong turns’ is the massive amount of damage done to the Earth via the extraction and burning of fossil fuels.

    That reality is ‘unacceptable’ to the vast majority of people, including some who comment on TAE.

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    #119013
    Susmarie108
    Participant

    California minimum wage is $15.00/hour.

    The art center/gallery where I am the Director pays all 3 of us (part time employees) much more than the minimum per hour. We have been on the job for 4+ years. We have a fully functioning saw mill in town (running 24 hours) with wages starting at $20.00/hour. It is still hard to find workers/to fill entry level positions. NOTE: we are located in a small town in rural Northern CA (town population of 3,900/Trinity County 18,000).

    Food and gas prices are where most folks take a big hit these days. Farmers Market (reasonable prices/great selection) just ended for the season. The downtown family-owned market is my first choice for many items, and on Friday they always feature an Indian food/curry lunch. The other local grocery store is employee owned, operating 15 stores, all in rural markets – and doing an excellent job. Prices are fair and competitive. The selection is outstanding. The traditional big box stores are an hour away. With gas prices on the mountain at $6.24 per gallon, the drive doesn’t make sense unless you have a family + other errands to do in the “city”. I am fortunate to be able to purchase most everything up here/in town.

    All of our local independent businesses (along Main Street) are hurting. The Chinese Restaurant just closed. There is a lack of customers everywhere. I work the Gallery on Saturdays and see/experience it for myself.

    Have enjoyed the art and discussions of recent weeks. Thanks to the contributors.

    LOVE to All.

    #119014
    Oroboros
    Participant

    Lost in translation.

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    #119015
    chooch
    Participant

    Medvedev responded to Musk.

    Starlink was a game changer for the Ukrainian forces. They were able to network their UAV-guided artillery. Anything found by an UAV within 10–15km from the frontline is shelled by the artillery in a matter of 1–5 minutes. Until they caught on, Russian infantry was easy to find. They tended to be vehicle tied and they rarely ventured more than 100 metres away from their vehicles. Because these vehicles are easy to detect and track wiping out a battalion group was like…

    The other benefit of this networked command/communication system is that it makes it difficult to provide close air combat support with jets and helos due to the risk of being shot down if they get to close to the frontline.

    Thus all the fuss surrounding Musk.

    #119016
    Oroboros
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    #119017
    Michael Reid
    Participant
    #119020
    aspnaz
    Participant

    Germ said

    My wife and I are soon off to Mexico for a few years.
    Getting out of the blast zone,

    Good luck with that, I am sure you will not regret sitting in the sun with optional energy bills: A/C or no A/C.

    #119021
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    Strongest Bastion of COVID-19 Agenda in Canada Giving Cracks at Foundation
    Namely Quebec: an open letter of 96 physicians…

    https://live2fightanotherday.substack.com/p/strongest-bastion-of-covid-19-agenda

    #119022
    Figmund Sreud
    Participant

    Only in Canada, eh? Pity, …

    The government no longer cares about unemployment — its only concern now is fighting inflation

    “We have been warned: Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland says Canada is likely heading into a slump.

    It will be a self-induced recession — the result of the Bank of Canada’s policy of raising interest rates.

    In that sense it will be a cruel irony.

    Until now, the federal government has not had to worry about unemployment. The pandemic kept both wages and the demand for labour up. If a hole appeared in the labour market, it was quickly fixed by one of many government programs designed to counter COVID-19.

    At some level, low-wage workers never had it so good. They needn’t take the first job on offer, but could pick and choose.

    They could refuse a bad job and wait until a better one came along. They had choices. All of this was reflected in the official statistics. Unemployment was at record lows; wage increases were at record highs.

    This happy state of affairs has come to a crashing halt. As Freeland warned this week, the good times are at an end. […]

    https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/2022/10/21/the-government-no-longer-cares-about-unemployment-its-only-concern-now-is-fighting-inflation.html

    Anyway, … only in Canada:

    F.S.

    #119023
    aspnaz
    Participant

    @John Day Great looking floor but looks like you missed a bit bottom left and, not being picky, but where is the skirting? You are celebrating too early.

    #119024
    aspnaz
    Participant

    Oroboros said

    Lost in translation.

    “Foreigners work permit system is down, please wait patiently.” … yes, the translation is dubious, but Chinese translations are notorious.

    #119025
    aspnaz
    Participant

    Fignumd Sreud said

    As Freeland warned this week, the good times are at an end

    Freeland commits seppuku? No, didn’t think so, responsibility only works upwards, not downwards. Her owners will be very pleased, she will get an extra human-skin armchair for her New Year bonus.

    #119026
    Redneck
    Participant

    Redneck is just a handle , remember?
    Here is a short autobiography , you decide.
    I grew up in the country here in Tasmania not far from where I live now. I hunted and fished and barely made it through high school. Our idea of a good time on a warm summer’s night when I was about eight was to load up my cousin’s utility with stones from the roadside , the roads were not paved then , drive around the neighbourhood in the dark and throw as many stones as we could onto the tin roofs of people we thought were dumb or authority figures, the headmasters house always copped the biggest drubbing.
    I was an apprentice at the local pulp and paper mill where all my family worked except mum.I have mostly worked in heavy industry but also once tried being an Amway rep when it opened in Jakarta Indonesia.I repaired torpedoes for the Australian navy at HMAS Platypus in Sydney harbour and worked the North West Iron ore mines when that kicked off in the early seventies. I lived about twenty years over seas chasing the best surf on the planet , surfing was my passion.I would work for a few months and then go surf for a few months. I worked at the ISKOR steel works in Newcastle South Africa during the apartheid years , I was a “BAAS” and had about twenty ” boys” working for me . The Zulus called me the white haired baas as my hair was sun bleached platinum blonde from so much time in the surf. I got deported to Rhodesia and worked there in a Lever and Kitchen factory and partied very hard with the non-white citizens which got me beaten up a couple of times as the country was in a civli war and white guys were sposed to know their place. I smuggled shit in Asia , worked construction and surfed the big waves in Hawaii , sewed grain in Saskatchewan , did HVAC work in the Catskills , kayaked a part of the Yukon river , overdosed in Bangkok , took too many mushrooms all across the Indian Ocean islands and learned to speak fluent Indonesian. I lived in an ashram in India for four years with a tantric guru and went deep into tantric practices. I worked in all kinda mines , mostly underground , gold, uranium and iron ore.I was a logistics man for an exploration drilling company in Indonesia working in every part of the country except West Iran.I settled down when I was about fifty , married an Indonesian lady and had three kids, I have very long hair and drink and smoke too much and swear a lot. I drive old vehicles and my clothes are always dirty as I spend a lot of time in my shed and on my boat doing projects, people are repulsed by my appearance , I alway get a kick out of that. The story is too long and who cares anyway?
    I was going to use the handle Bogan but I think most people here would not know what that means.
    Good day.

    #119027
    Afewknowthetruth
    Participant

    “Which 10 million are we not going to feed?”

    #119028
    Redneck
    Participant

    How long before Musk runs for president?

    #119029
    Redneck
    Participant

    John Day , re the Maya , have you seen Mel Gibsons Apocalypto?

    #119030
    Afewknowthetruth
    Participant

    Viewer advisory, The Scorpion appears briefly in this report, to deliver a deceitful, inane comment.

    #119031
    Oroboros
    Participant

    The Work Ethic in the Empire of Lies, Duh-merica the Beautiful

    There’s no ‘there’ there anymore.

    #119032

    Redneck- he’ll need a “birth certificate”.

    #119033
    Autonomous Unit
    Participant

    “How long before Musk runs for president?”
    only “natural born citizens” can be USA president. “natural-born U.S. citizen is someone who is entitled to be so “at birth” or “by birth,” regardless of where he or she was born”
    Some [Trump, amongst other] say Obama had a fake birth certificate, and point to a pdf copy that was an obvious cut and paste job. But the provenance of that is questionable. Anyone can make a fake. I think it would have been really difficult for the micro-film records of Hawaiian newspapers in multiple libraries to have Obama’s birth in a local hospital to be inserted.
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    http://media.silive.com/latest_news/photo/obama-birthjpg-ae4382d8ca2d236a.jpg

    #119034
    Afewknowthetruth
    Participant

    MR

    Rule one: avoid anyone selling gold as a hedge against system failure.

    Rule two: avoid like the plague anyone selling gold certificates as hedge against system failure.

    #119035
    Redneck
    Participant

    What happens when former states of the Russian Soviet empire want out and wan to engage with the West instead.

    #119036
    Figmund Sreud
    Participant

    Onshore algae farms could feed the world sustainably
    https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2022/10/onshore-algae-farms-could-feed-world-sustainably

    The study’s authors say marine algae-based aquaculture could produce more than the total global protein demand projected for 2050, offering “a better source of high-quality nutritional protein, essential amino acids, and other micronutrients relative to terrestrial plants.”

    F.S.

    #119037
    chooch
    Participant

    Super cool Redneck,

    #119038
    John Day
    Participant

    @Susmarie108: You live in one of those little pieces of “Good California”!


    @Germ
    : Mexico in big, but it’s a lot closer to the Texas coastal plains, Yoakum, than England is. You’ve got a free place to stay for a few days if you show up.


    @Aspnaz
    : The floor is completly nailed in. What you see in the corner is a box of wood ieces sitting on the floor. I have a closet to build before I put in trim. The house needs a lot of internal trim.


    @Redneck
    : Ihave not seen that Mel Gibson movie, just a couple of the Mad Max ones, back when I watched movies in the old millennium. You been around, Bro’ Glad you lived through the OD in Thailand.I had to look up that “baas” term. Means “boss”, they say.
    I never met an unlikeable person from Tasmania, but the way you tell your story, especially the rock-thing, you might break my lucky streak. 🙂 Glad you got to surf a lot, including Hawaii. I bet you got cut out of some waves on the Hawaiian-beaches, the ones for the locals, and I bet you went to them, too.
    The locals are tough, and jealous of their beaches.

    About Hawaii and Obama’s birth certificate. There is no way to know, even if it’s a fake and it probabaly is a fake. I really tracked this back in the day.
    Q: Do you know what the requirements for a Hawaiian certificate of livee birth were in 1961?
    A: Show up at the county clerk’s office within one year of the birth of a baby and report the birth to the clerk.

    The fake birth cerrtificate does not really prove anything. The Hawaiian Surgeon General made a declaration, while I was living there, that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, based on her review of official records.
    Also means nothing, just a political statement. Lots of people born in Hawaii around then probably have the same kind of minimal official records.
    All that being said, if you wanted to create a fake American, Hawaii was the place to do it.
    What I still want to know is who his real dad was, but it’s ok, I can live without knowing. I like the story that it was Malcolm-X. Great resemblance, especially when speaking…

    @AFKTT: But nobody excepts salt in payment these days… And, maybe we were supposed to bring that carbon up and oxidize it so life forms could use it, and water, too.
    We’re almost done with that job now…

    #119039
    Afewknowthetruth
    Participant

    Missing from that Georgia war documentary are the following facts:

    1. The colour revolution was sponsored by the US.

    2. Saakashvili was a puppet, sponsored by the US. He subsequently did what most such puppets do -wander the world looking for opportunities to make trouble.

    3. The Russians demilitarised Georgia, removing everything of a military nature that could be removed and blowing up everything military that couldn’t be moved. And then left.

    4. For the first time, the US was demonstrated before the world to be impotent when faced with a real foe.

    #119040
    Afewknowthetruth
    Participant

    Celente and Mannarino nail it. The war is between the NATOstan central bankers (and their enablers, the NATOstan governments) and the rest of society. It’s a ‘money-printing’ war and a propaganda war.

    #119052
    Afewknowthetruth
    Participant

    How hot can it get before it blows?

    #119066
    aspnaz
    Participant

    @Redneck Jack of all trades, master of none. I know a couple of dropouts like you, job to job explorers, my niece did something similar. She comes out with the similar shite that you do. Don’t know why, can’t reson with her, i suspect it is a lack of knowing what you want that does it.

    #119072
    Noirette
    Participant

    In response to some above…Switz. has no Federal (it is a federation) min. wage policy. A very recent attempt to instore such was voted down.

    I myself (way left.. ex-Union boss..) voted against. For constitutional reasons, heh. Cantons in CH are free to fix min. wage. Three, or 4 (> in Ticino min. wage has been going thru the courts and I haven’t kept up) have min wage on the books.

    The Canton of Neuchatel, a traditional ‘workers’ type place, even advertises all over, come and work here, we have minimum wage! We love the workers! Come join!

    (Unemployment in CH is basically nil. Open jobs everywhere..)

    So min. wage as mandatory is only lightly, patchily present, it is basically fixed not by Fed. legislation but by negotiations between Unions and Employers, Biz, Corps.

    In CH, the social charges knocked off the basic salary don’t include health care (only maternity – parental leave, state pension which is minimal, work accidents, dire disability, unemployment pay) – ppl have to buy private health insurance. So the high salary melts when say a family of 2 parents, 2 children.. Has to pay for health insurance.. to a private Co.

    That said, the very lowest pay is 20, 23 CHF (dollars, euros) an hour, for unqualified, scut work, as stated above. It rises quickly, a certified cleaner is 30 CHF, etc.

    Of course illegals, and others, teenagers, and some scuzzy cos. (e.g. hiring for distributing publicity in mail boxes) etc. do undercut that, which is tolerated, other story.

    One has to compare living conditions at the end point, and not hourly wages.

    #119083
    aspnaz
    Participant

    Afewknowthetruth said

    “Which 10 million are we not going to feed?”

    Good for Gisborne, I know some farmers down there, mostly sheep and dairy. You can see this is all part of the plan for you to own nothing and for the big corporations to buy up unprofitable farms. This will destroy regional centers like Gisborne, which is a city in name only but really a town, and the people will have to move to the real cities to get work as farming and logging supports almost everything there, with some specialist game fishing further up the coast. The government is in league with corporations stealing land from the people, you have to wonder whether and how the vast majority can stand up and stop this or whether everything in western countries is destined to be stolen by corporations with common private ownership being a thing of the past and people being like worms farmed to produce for the select wealthy classes. What a legacy for humanity, it would certainly be apt as humanity really is that cruel and evil.

    #119084
    aspnaz
    Participant

    Oroboros said

    The Work Ethic in the Empire of Lies, Duh-merica the Beautiful

    Government is encouraging this and the lazy-ass people are eating it up. The Great Reset – which should be renamed the Great Theft – depends on most people wanting to be dependent on a government handing out stuff to them – furhished by favoured corporations that do not need to perform – rather than actually working, they want everything to be mostly free like the internet is mostly free. The corporations and government get to own everything, the people exist in a mindless stupor, the rich get to enjoy the world the way that we all could enjoy the world if only we had good people at the top.

    #119085
    aspnaz
    Participant

    Afewknowthetruth said

    Rule one: avoid anyone selling gold as a hedge against system failure.

    Except if you need to escape from somewhere, in which case gold coins will pay for a boat trip. Most boat captains in Asia have participated in smuggling, I know two captains who separately smuggled stuff into Hong Kong, one from Vietnam – I can only guess what he was smuggling. They are not big time crooks, they just see it as easy money. I should ask them whether they would have accepted gold as payment.

    #119087
    aspnaz
    Participant

    Redneck said

    What happens when former states of the Russian Soviet empire want out and wan to engage with the West instead.

    Redneck still cheering for the murderers in the USA, NATO and his home Australia. Can’t keep an immoral person like Redneck down, he loves to see them a killing the darkies, now the whities in Ukraine. How do you repulsive killers get off on killing innocent people, what is it, does it make you feel powerful? I am disgusted that anybody could support the USA and NATO. Putin and Xi are probably just as bad given that there does not appear to have been a fair election in Russia for some time, but until USA/NATO started to poke the bear, at least Russia and China kept their evil doings within their borders. I guess you are cheering for a NATO invasion of Iran, to free the people of their lives. People like you are the reason that murderers like the USA can get away with it, you support their killing of women and children, you cheer them on.

    #119092
    aspnaz
    Participant

    One thing to note, when reading of the decline of the west, is that the governments are going to install a system that will control the people, the aim being self defence, to prevent the proletariat from revolting and overthrowing the aristocracy. The Chinese have such a system in place, but as long as there are independent countries, some of which will harbour and supply the rebels (as the soviets did for Mao), then there is hope that whatever system is installed will be torn down by revolution. Of course, the system will inevitably fail as all human built systems have failed in the past, the track record is unequivocal. The question is how many generations will that take. Revolution will speed up the process, decay takes much longer.

    Like the US, Russian and other governments, it does not matter whether Trump or Navalny get into power, it will make no difference. The governments are already so captured with the mix of government and corporate that the government will only do what the owners want, as we have seen again with the mRNA jabs being added to the under 5 schedule. Trump could not have stopped that decision, it was a medical decision made by a deeply corrupt medical system and their corporate overlords.

    None of the above helps us normal people in our predicament. How do we overcome the government propaganda of the MSM? How do we persuade people to stop getting so emotionally involved with the stories they hear on the TV then turning that emotion onto anybody who might question whether the story is true or maybe a lie.

    Yesterday I had a big discussion with two middle of the road by-default democrats. One thing we could all agree on was that there is no good team. They are natural USA/NATO supporters, but by the end of the conversation they admitted that the USA/NATO just do war, “that’s their business”. I found this to be a much more productive approach to discussing Ukraine, something that everybody can agree on is that there are no good people involved, all the teams are bad and we should not be lending our support to any of them. They even conceded that the MSM is feeding them with dramatic “that is terrible” events designed to trigger their emotions, events which then disappear the next day. They too could see that they were victims of the MSM, yet my guess is that they still keep feeding on this stuff. Is “No good team” something that people are reluctantly willing to unite around?

    The more people that recognise that there is no good team, the easier it will be for people to unite against the sort of damage Ardern is trying to inflict on NZ citizens. The global corporations will still try to steal private lands, but uniting around the concept of “no good team” would increase the numbers fighting against these regulations. Remove the politics, recognise the truth, there is no good team, the people have to save themselves and can do so through massive protests.

    I know, kind of fanciful, but we need to do something to anull the power of the state propaganda machine.

    #119093
    aspnaz
    Participant

    Elon Musk is a good example of how gullible people are:
    1. Tesla was mostly funded by government and was introduced to normalise electric cars. Even Hong Kong subsidized Teslas to the tune of 10,000 USD per car. Electric cars will be controlled centrally, every decision the owner makes, such as charging the car, will have to be approved by the central authority.
    2. Starlink sattelites are designed to provide total coverage – no coverage blindspots where people can hide.
    3. Self financing the globalist ambitions in Ukraine.

    It seems to me that Musk is heavily engaged with the globalists and is helping them to implement the technologies they will use to control us. He is clever at attracting people, but why would you trust him? He is happily financing the globalists in Ukraine, letting everybody know it and playing both sides by pretending to complain. People are suckers.

    #119094
    Redneck
    Participant

    aspnaz
    No good team.
    That is pretty close to the truth.
    The simple fact is that we as individuals are powerless and even as large groups we are powerless. At least we have seen the old deceit that shit can be changed at the ballot box.
    The world has always been like this except now with the net we have a lot more information in our hands and alternative views.
    The eternal rule is change , nothing stands, still so we are on a ride enjoy what you can of it.

    #119100
    oldandtired
    Participant

    @Germ

    Germ
    Participant
    I walked the Haute Route from Chamonix to Zurmat in Switzerland this summer.

    Why?

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