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June 27, 2015 at 10:45 am #21872Raúl Ilargi MeijerKeymaster
Harris&Ewing Woodward & Lothrop dept. store trucks, Washington DC 1912 While many voices will be seeking to define the precise terms of the referendum
[See the full post at: OXI]June 27, 2015 at 12:06 pm #21879John DayParticipantThis abruptly changes the game, upsets the board, pulls the pin on a live grenade and puts it down, saying “your move”.
The ultimatums given in recent days, and given very harshly, are now empty threats, and can be seen as such. There is a huge loss of face for the Troika. Their power to bully elected representatives and banks was at crescendo peak, absolute.
In Sun Tzu’s Art of War, to which you refer sometimes (most read military book ever), this is War by Fire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_War
Fire is the most powerful weapon of war. It trumps everything, and it is unpredictable.
This is really ancient game theory, 2500 years old.June 27, 2015 at 1:00 pm #21884TheGreekOneParticipantRaul, who would have thought that you would be in Greece while History is in the making, right?
The symbolism of OCHI (no) is of great significance to Greeks. It refers to the refusal of PM Ioannis Metaxas (a Fascist nonetheless!) to Mussolini’s ultimatum to surrender while the Italian Fascist troops were entering Greece in 1941. (Of course, don’t expect Tsipras’ left government to have this appear in their political lingo.) It also refers to the recent refusal of President Anastasiades of Cyprus, who called for the refusal of turning the Greek controlled Cypriot Democracy to a confederation with the Turkish controlled Northern Cyprus via a referendum organized by the UN.
On the other hand, the symbolism of NE (yes) refers to a recent period in the Greek History, when the majority of MP’s from ND and PASOK with a clear happy smirk on their gloutonous faces, were voting “AYE TO EVERYTHING”, an expression used in the Parliament to indicate their total support to austerity and unquestioning verification of “Memorandums 1 & 2”, the policy of blind cooperation and submission to Troika and Germany. “Aye to everything” has become the expression to describe the collaborators, during the previous government era.
The choice of NE (yes) is very difficult to defend. Austerity has failed and this is clear to the vast majority of Greeks. Furthermore, during the early austerity period, people blamed the collaborating politicians for this destructive policy. Ironically, it is now their own turn to either reject austerity forever or become accomplishes to the crime committed against their own country, families and their own selves.
Junker, Merkel and their local representatives will definitely try to turn this to a pro or con Euro and European Union voting, in an effort to turn the pro-EU crowd to vote en masse for the new austerity measures and policy (aka “Memorandum 3”), just for the immense privilege of remaining vassals of the Eurogang and being b*ttf***ed by them on a daily basis. And of course claiming the higher moral ground and putting the blame on Tsipras and the lazy-evil-Greek-scoundrels-who-live-beyond-their-means in any case.
However, their task is a very difficult one. First of all, unfortunately, propaganda is a tool incapable of forcing people killing themselves. It has it limits and even Dr. Goebbels tells us so. His modern students however, seem to forget that, given their initial success and all that. The same goes for blackmailing or terror tactics. Good at first, useless as the time goes by.
Secondly, there isn’t enough time for them to act. Tsipras took them by surprise and they don’t have the opportunity nor the luxury of time to turn the public opinion to their favor via lies, terror, more lies and more terror. Tthat is the reason why Tsipras didn’t go for general elections, as expected and chose the referendum – declaring elections requires an announcement at least a month in advance, which would allow Junker and his minions to scare the s&*t out of the Greek pensioners, the largest pro-EU conservative group of voters, into “voting for Europe and the common good”.
Thirdly, the preliminary polls show a high percentage against the Troika’s ultimatum and demands. The vast majority of Greeks seems to prefer the heroic stand and not the shameful unconditional surrender, without a fight. I won’t go into details, but if this is true, it is safe to assume that Tsipras has prior knowledge to this before making his move.
As a result, should Greeks choose to say Nay to Troika’s ultimatum, things will never be the same in this country, any more. Austerity would be dead in the water and the conditions for a Grexit would open up. The old policies and politicians would suddenly become old news. If on the other hand, if they say Aye, then things will also never be the same again. Greeks won’t have anyone else to blame for but themselves and it will be very entertaining to see how Troika, plus Merkel and the good Dr. Schäuble will be able to implement their 15.5 billion euro austerity policy in a highly volatile and chaotic environment. The answer is they won’t be able to and they know it. They only care in scoring one to that cheeky Tsipras and the “Bolsheviks” and nothing else. In the process, they would destroy Greece out of whim, to “make an example” for the rest of their victims.PS. There is a question should Troika chooses to retract their ultimatum and final demands, just to trap Tsipras, leaving him with his own 8 billion euro austerity proposals (the one he used to trap everyone and make Junker grab Dieselboom’s @$$ on camera claiming “We did it!” ). I wonder how “serious” and “adult” would this make them, then. And how fast, in how many picoseconds, would their illusion of power collapse before the eyes of the whole world. History is in the making, folks! Grab a seat and lots of popcorn!
June 27, 2015 at 2:52 pm #21889Raúl Ilargi MeijerKeymasterGreek One
do we get to meet in Athens?
June 27, 2015 at 3:04 pm #21890jalParticipantWhen do the flight of Greeks heading north with other refugies get a name?
June 27, 2015 at 6:43 pm #21892seychellesParticipantWe can only hope that the Greeks will vote for Greek government as a pivotal first step leading to the implosion of the globalist “revolutionary” agenda. The “power of the purse” has always been the ultimate energy source propelling this movement forward. Mass default is the best weapon to use against it.
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