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    Leonardo da Vinci Saint John the Baptist 1513-16   There are lots of people talking about how they much disagree with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, h
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    #45601
    zerosum
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    “Green New Deal” is a better name than “sustainability”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainability

    Despite the increased popularity of the use of the term “sustainability”, the possibility that human societies will achieve environmental sustainability has been, and continues to be, questioned—in light of environmental degradation, climate change, overconsumption, population growth and societies’ pursuit of unlimited economic growth in a closed system.[15][16]

    Okay.
    There is nobody or organization capable changing any or all of the above forces that are leading to what we all know will happen “unsustainability” and the destruction of ?????

    #45602
    VietnamVet
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    Sea level rise of 6.6 to 8.9 ft this century is “physically plausible”. The train tunnels under the Hudson River damaged by Hurricane Sandy have not been repaired. Money to build new tunnels so the century old ones can be made safe is stalled. Likewise, the damage from Hurricanes Harvey, Maria and Michael remains unfixed. This is why there is total silence on the consequences of climate change. The costs of the inevitable damage are so enormous that it is cheaper to combat climate change. But the New Green Deal would take oversight and the world’s resources and labor used constructively. The opposite of the greed, conflict and chaos that rules the world today.

    #45603
    toktomi
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    To my way of thinking, virtually the entirety of global industrial human society is dying, and it is meaningless to contemplate global or national or regional or possibly even local societal alternatives.

    As each day passes and as I continue to read the musings splayed across digital media, I become more awed and confused that nobody seems to understand the meaning of “The End”.

    Stick a fork in it, y’all. It’s about time to move to cover in the trees.

    #45604
    V. Arnold
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    I remain open to AOC; this is not a stupid human.
    Fresh face, fresh energy, and fresh ideas.
    And precisely because she doesn’t know how the system works; comes at everything from a fresh perspective.
    My only question is; how tough is she really?
    We’ll see…

    #45615

    I hope I opened a few eyes to AOC, because a) the alternative is so much worse, and b) the Green New Push will happen no matter what anyone thinks or wants.

    Update: Jim Kunstler sent a thank you mail for exactly that.

    #45629
    aviehmayer
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    First of all: what’s the alternative? Who would you trade her for? Hillary? Feinstein? Pelosi? Bernie Sanders? Cory Booker?
    Hummm, Russian collusion or socialism?! As a person who lives in a country that borders Venezuela, I’d go for Russian collusion any day. However, as I’m not from a developed country, it’s just easier to say the underdeveloped peasants did not do it right. Don’t worry honey, AOC won’t be your downfall. Arrogance will.

    #45781
    palloy
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    To implement the Green New Deal will be hiddeously expensive. That is because it will take a LOT of energy to build/re-build all that crumbling infrastructure. What kind of energy will that be? Is there enough of it lying around un-used at the moment? How about in the future?

    This is where we need to sit down and calculate if there is enough energy available to complete the transition, and when you do that you can easily see that there isn’t a snowball in hell’s chance of it being possible, not even close. So what will happen if this impossible dream is started on? The world will run out of energy and industrial civilisation will implode and collapse.

    The price of oil on the US markets, fell from $80 /barrel to $50 /b during the months of October and November 2018, but that doesn’t indicate that there is plenty of oil. In fact they were selling oil from Strategic Petroleum Reserve at the time, just enough to slowly depress the auction price without making anyone question the situation, and when they stopped, the price started rising again. This was timed to coincide with US’s displeasure with Saudi Arabia over the Khashoggi incident.

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