[Spiral_Insana]

In reference to the posting by Golden Oxen
that is, posting #5252

One reason why you could sense Lucifer is because that is how you explain any evidence or expressed opinion contrary to your held beliefs. Another possibility is that I and those who think like me are deluded by forces that we cannot control and which must be overcome before we can see the truth.

The most rational course in either case is to first use whatever spiritual techniques you believe effective to remove any curse on myself and others so afflicted and, then, engage in rational debate so that I am either freed from this evil external force or you are freed of your delusions spawned by emotional pain and psychological trauma.

A morally unjustified course is to condemn us vaguely, fail to defend your point of view, fail to pray for us, and fail to take our ideas seriously.

It would be a violation of the precepts of your faith to deprive us of a chance to experience the truth by your inaction. It is also presumably a violation of the precepts of your faith to “cast the first stone” if the letter of your texts are to be taken seriously.

How will you act knowing the above?

–Spiral Insana

[Spiral_Insana]

In reply to myself; yes I am clear that there will be a separate site. Yes, I know that there is an active effort to compartmentalize this.

I feel that any conflation is too much. A separate site without any association or “plug” would have been preferable and I’d not have been even aware of it. Even bringing it up is a problem.

There are PLENTY of doomsteading and economic collapse sites with PLENTY of metaphysical content. I’ve seen them. I’m still horrified.

Even an umbilical cord is too much. The serenity is broken.

I appreciate that I’m oversensitive. I predict that I will see these messages as extremely unwise very shortly.

Oh well.

Cheers, one and all.

–Spiral Insana

[Spiral_Insana]

As a prelude; yes I am clear that there will be a separate site. Yes, I know that there is an active effort to compartmentalize this.

I feel that any conflation is too much. A separate site without any association or “plug” would have been preferable and I’d not have been even aware of it. Even bringing it up is a problem.

There are PLENTY of doomsteading and economic collapse sites with PLENTY of metaphysical content. I’ve seen them. I’m still horrified.

Even an umbilical cord is too much. The serenity is broken.

I appreciate that I’m oversensitive. I predict that I will see these messages as extremely unwise very shortly.

Oh well.

Cheers, one and all.

–Spiral Insana

Sir: you are delving into metaphysics. Metaphysics is the flailing of a tortured psyche and not a worthy focus of a balanced and healthy rational mind. Kant was right: metaphysics are impossible. Nietzsche was right; God is dead. Sun Ra of the Sun Ra Arkestra was right; anyone who would see the face of God will die.

I do not say this lightly.

The very Abrahamic framework you are discussing has been used to justify the very system you are so appalled by — and some would argue it was responsible for CREATING it.

You can achieve nothing by reverting to this. Moreover, you are in serious danger of losing what amount of humanity you do have left.

The people I love the most on this Earth are deeply spiritual. They are also on heavy psychoactive prescriptions because of their various mental disorders. The only exceptions have had mental problems all of their lives and have alienated anyone who has loved them but will not accept help from “godless doctors.” I listen to their ideas with love and patience. But nothing they say has anything to do with the world around them, human nature, how we are going to fix the living mess we are in, or any real experience that I can share with them.

You are, as it is all too within human nature to do, seeking comfort in ideas and emotions in your own head because they are beautiful, feel intensely real to you, and because they are too vivid for you to believe false. In so doing, you are cutting yourself off from what is really going on outside your head in the real world.

You are in pain. This is your brain fighting against this pain at any cost. It is essentially an hallucination.

I say this because I am scared too. My mind has responded in similar ways, but I’ve fought it off as best I can. I do this because I know what comes will require my clearest thinking and fastest action. I do this because the crazy loved ones I mention are the most beautiful people I have ever known and will need me to be sane for them. My tolerance of their insanity is rooted identically to my quest to maintain my own; I am morally obligated to maintain my agency to protect those I love. My atheism is a moral choice.

Yes, I am suggesting that religious convictions of any sort are indistinguishable from insanity. Yes, I know that this assertion is potentially offensive. That is why I generally do not publicly state as such unless I feel the religious are persecuting me or committing grossly immoral acts and there is no choice except to speak or act. The defacement of the good this site has done by the evocation of religion, mysticism, and/or metaphysics is dangerous. I feel I am forced to respond because of that.

What damage I can do in speaking out is likely minimal. Human readers will flame me and then regard me as a hateful idiot (this despite the fact that I am doing so because I fear for them and am saying something only to try to be helpful). Then, they will forget me.

I do not fear harming the Divine in any way, even if such exists. If there really is/are a/any God(s), then He/She/It/THEM is/are powerful enough that He/She/IT/THEY need not worry about my opinion. To the Divine, I am but mobile dirt. Some religions state that there is such thing as forgiveness if I am wrong. If anyone proves me wrong, then I will ask for forgiveness, reverse course, profess my new beliefs with vigor to atone, and all shall be well. There is nothing to fear in that case. As I would rather suffer eternally that submit to an immoral, hateful God, I do not fear unfair damnation either. Nobody need advise me of my metaphysical rights and obligations; I am clear on this point.

On the other hand, the Divine has a lot to answer to the Human race for, in my opinion. A Divine agency could have prevented all the misery the human race endures if it really were all loving or all powerful. It could at least have been more direct and honest about its own existence. In other words, I say that reality’s imperfection and misery are adequate refutation of the existence of the Divine without further argument. I cannot see how the thesis that there exists an all loving, all powerful God could possibly be taken seriously. The logic is irrefutable and there is no escape.

I say the human race is responsible for its disposition and that there is no appeal outside to any power for either deliverance or to blame our failings on. I say that faith of this sort is a distraction. I go beyond this and insist that even if I am sorely wrong about all of this, we shouldn’t have any mention of anything metaphysical on a site devoted to practical human problems. God is not the answer to something that is our fault. I would imagine any God being cross (pun intended) at anyone dragging Him/Her/It/Them into this mess. Worse, counting how many angels fit on pin heads is a distraction at best and a dangerous misuse of intellect at worst. This site should devote energy to D.I.Y. project advice and actually fulfill its promise to produce a workable preparation guide. Such activities are distracting, fulfilling, and practical. They could also be fun. Instead, we get a sermon. If a wanted that, there is a living, breathing schizophrenic preaching down the street who could suffice for that function.

I protest this loudly and harshly because you have made it clear that you now endanger my ability to maintain my own sanity. I have used this web site and read words from yourself and your colleagues to keep my perspective honed and balanced on the issues of global finance. I read things here to remain rational.

While I have the deepest sympathy for you, you have become a threat to my goal. I must stop reading your work, and possibly everything on this site. While you assure us that your mystical or metaphysical writing “is not being supported or endorsed by Ilargi or Stoneleigh,” and that does reassure me somewhat that they are still thinking rationally, it would be far better for them to disassociate themselves entirely from your message. To fail to do so is extremely dangerous. This is not enough of a distancing. This stretches the function of the site and its mission incorrectly. I am, frankly, horrified.

Beyond even all that, I am shocked at how you seem to be proposing to cure the ills of modern Western culture by running into the arms of its dysfunctional metaphysical mother. The big three Abrahamic religions have made the world financial system’s exploitation of native peoples possible by providing pseudo-moral, cosmic-scale justifications for genocide, cultural homogenization, the suppression of thought and diversity, and the dehumanization of anyone who fails to adopt strictly codified systems of behavior and thought. It is a unilateral disaster, however badly you feel practitioners of these faiths have upheld the principles of their founders. The record of these religions, bathed in blood as it is, speaks for itself. Any failure to accept this is merely willful ignorance of genocide.

I beg you to clear your head. You are transforming this metaphysical ideology free island into a battleground for destructive arguments over pure hypothetical suppositions and superstition. Modern Capitalist economics is also superstitious ideology about purely hypothetical phenomena. It is exactly this sort of thinking that must be combated and defeated to assure the continued survival of the Human race. You propose to replace one set of delusions for another. This is extremely dangerous at best.

I am essentially insisting that you are now “the enemy.” I fear that now even this site will harbor flame wars blaming the economic collapse on sodomy, poor church attendance, divorce, African Americans, women wearing trousers and voting, the very existence of Lady Gaga, and so on.

You may in fact not, one could hope, irrationally hate sexual minorities or ethnicities other than your own. You still endorse a metaphysical system that makes such “othering” possible. If the solution had existed within the words and precepts of the Abrahamic traditions, then the sons and daughters of Abraham would have presented it to the grateful world long ago. You are leading us back into more of the same under a different guise. The same exact sorts of problems are inevitable. Your solution to both your own psychological and the entire world’s cultural problems is essentially the hair of the dog that bit you.

I reject and denounce this. I beg you to reconsider your stance.

Failing that, know that I still value your life and individual rights. Know that I value you as a moral agent and a feeling being. Finally, rest assured that I send this afraid that it may wound your feelings or those of others. I only do this because I have a shred of hope that it may make a positive impact somewhere on someone, even if it is only to teach me never to do anything like this again.

It is your right to do what you are doing and I will defend it. I just think it is dangerously irrational. I also think it is my right to say so. I would hope you can respect my right to say this.

I do wish you the best regardless of what happens. I do hope your ideas bring you peace and happiness. It is simply a misfortune that they have caused me a lot of grief. I know this is not what you intended. Nevertheless, the damage is now done.

Please take care of yourself as best you can.

Sincerely,

Spiral Insana

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