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@oro: “Transhumanism should be rebranded as Subhumanism …”
Or deadhumanism. Someone on here, can’t remember who, very astutely compared GMO crops/livestock with gene-modified vaccinated humans. We know how things are working out for GMO at this point so …
@Mr House: “Also the “neoliberals” you mention didn’t stop being neoliberals due to the lockdowns. They shutdown the mom and pops and any portions of the economy they haven’t fully “neoliberalized” while letting the big dogs who send them money stay open.”
Thanks. Well said. I was scratching my head at that particular criticism of TAE.
@Archie: thank you for posting the obit, which includes “Marx said he attended a trauma quality meeting with Summers two days before she died. “She looked fine, she didn’t complain about anything and was her usual self,” he said.”
I didn’t get a “suicide” feel from reading the obit, although that is a possibility I suppose. But, can’t help it, I’m thinking jabbed. 🙁
@Polder: “it’s the vaccinated who are scared of the unvaccinated …”
Spectacularly bizarre, isn’t it? Another anecdote from today’s errands: went to a local store I rarely shop at so first time there in months. Big sandwich-type sign nearly blocking the entrance, “masks recommended for ALL people because we do not know if an unvaccinated person is in the store”.
Huh? If you’ve been vaccinated, why would you even care if someone else isn’t? On top of that … wtf, there are few *cases* anywhere around here at this point!! WHY in gods name are people still playing this sick game?
Needless to say, I was one of only 3 maskless people in the entire store (the other 2 people were a young couple). Even the staff were all masked. Everyone avoided me. Demoralizing. Last time they get my business.
@phoenix: “Unfortunately, there are only two ways to undo the brainwashing that I’m familiar with: for these people I care about to have someone in their close circle become obviously injured by a Covid vaccine … or for the vaccine injuries to affect so many that the media cannot stop or block the avalanche … Neither path is especially palatable, as both paths include considerable human suffering.”
Very well said. I was thinking while running errands today that *maybe* these injections won’t be as damaging as predicted by the highly alarmed doctors/scientists who are speaking out. But I really don’t see how a good outcome is possible? The immediate serious harm and death taking place, in addition to people dying unexpectedly several months following injection, doesn’t bode well for this experiment.
Anecdotally: I check our local newspaper online, although I mostly read headlines since I don’t pay a subscription and access to stories is limited. Each week they feature obituaries of local residents. Over the past several months it slowly permeated my brain that the people in the featured obits were getting younger, some in their 50s and a few in their 40s. Today I saw the obit of a 41 year old doctor who died and couldn’t help but think … when did you take the jab?
This is both infuriating and heartbreaking. I hope we vaccine hesitant are the ones who are wrong, I truly do.
Bad news. The first hospital located in the central NY area announced all staff have to be vaccinated. St Joseph’s Hospital Health Center in Syracuse (owned by Trinity, which has 122,000 staff across the country).
The parasitic class is stark raving mad? It must be a transmissible disease because it seems to have spread to an awful lot of people. I am at a complete loss as to how this is happening and what the outcome will be for us nonvaxxed.
@phoenix: Hoffe said they form pretty much immediately, but the presence of microclots isn’t known until later when detrimental things start to happen. He mentioned one patient who was vaccinated and 5 months later can only walk about 1/4 mile before being out of breath (used to walk 2 miles easily). Talked about the damage to the lungs, heart, and brain from microclots that isn’t being diagnosed because it’s not causing acute heart attack/stroke.
(that’s my take based on a quick listen while doing other stuff … the docs here may want to weigh in).
@laffin: “BTW, “crawl in a hole” is Kübler-Ross’s 4th stage (Depression). Which means you’re only one stage away from accepting that Propaganda is Real. Come on , brother! You can do it!”
No thank you.
@John Day, thank you for the post. 🙂 Plants are intelligent and adaptive, aren’t they? I’ve marveled at that for years.
@Noirette, always insightful comments. Thank you. I found it highly informative when Dr Malone mentioned in an interview that the FDA had the ability to demand stringent collection of adverse events by pharma companies since these vaccines are issued under an EUA … but the FDA opted not to exercise that right. That by itself should cause some head scratching, but it hasn’t.
As I mentioned in the past, the CDC and FDA are not captured by pharma. They’ve been sleeping with pharma for decades and the sooner we come to terms with that and act accordingly in our personal decisions, the better off we’ll be. I imagine we can toss the AMA, Lancet, and the rest of the alphabet soup institutions into that mix as well.
Just discovered that the comments on yesterday’s debt rattle are still rolling in. Some of the discussion revolved around control of the narrative, with the astute observation that using the term “elite” to describe “them” is, in itself, a nuanced form of control. The suggestion was put forth to come up with a different term.
Could be interesting to open that “competition” back up today and see the results, if anyone is interested in sharing their ideas on a better term to describe the scum that hold financial power in today’s world??
Or not … your choice. 😉
@madamski, I was hoping you’d weigh-in on the control topic yesterday. Good response.@Oroboros: thank you. Good comment. The only thing to do is get off the field as best possible, however that works for you personally. The sociopaths are beginning to eat each other because there’s not much of anything else left to gorge on. Us little guys don’t stand a chance in this game.
As for a movement starting that has no leader because “the principles” will lead it? I’m likely getting too old to see anything like that come to fruition, but I’m hoping I’m still around when principles themselves are enough to enact change and a leader or two, of some sort, isn’t needed.
@Michael: what action would that be?
@TAE summary: “– US Military will require personnel to get vaccinated; Some troops want to desert but must weigh getting jabbed vs. getting shot”
Laugh out loud. Literally. Now that was epic.
@phoenix: I was trained in Sunday School, too. Interesting you bring that up. Thank you! Need to think more about that.
@laffin, great response! 🙂 I don’t believe “they” have control of 65% of the world’s hearts & minds. You seem to be primarily referencing the hearts & minds of western societies … how about we include the so-called 3rd world societies (how many billion is that?) and try to gauge where their hearts & minds are? Those who live without TV, internet, and twitface, and who have been physically harmed on multiple occasions by western societies, including through the use of vaccinations. Where are their hearts & minds?
And … the flip side of “most of us can’t even convince OUR OWN CHILDREN, let alone our friends & neighbors, not to get jabbed” would be … then how come THEY are able to completely control the narrative and thus win the hearts and minds of most of the world’s population? If we can’t win the minds of our loved ones, they most certainly can’t win the minds of EVERYONE.
Controlling the narrative is not complete control. To believe that to be true, is to believe we might as well crawl in a hole and pull the dirt down on top of ourselves.
PS … I call them elites because it’s a term everyone understands. There isn’t an ounce of me that subscribes to it. Even as a youngster I understood that “everyone puts their pants on the same way.” I don’t believe anyone is elite. I don’t fawn over athletes, actors, politicians, etc. Never have. Never will. In the future I’ll call them what they are. Greedy, sociopathic scum. Thank you for pointing that out. Appreciated. 🙂
@Mr., … eh, I’m in a foul mood today so my apologies. Pissed at this [global] utter madness which appears to have no end (that said after having a neighbor tell me earlier that I should “just get vaccinated because it’s no big deal”). For gods sake, do they not understand that in our protest, in our being shunned and ostracized, we are trying to HELP?
I’m thinking the approach of “please let me ever so kindly help you understand” is blatantly naive, ridiculously stupid, and has almost zero chance of working. I’m now leaning toward using a f*** you response.
Bad day. 🙁
@Mr House: no, I do not believe the numbers they are putting out regarding how many people are vaccinated. That’s why I commented, in response to Doc Robinson’s post, that I believe “the vaccine push will not become state-sponsored religion.” It appears I was a bit wishy-washy in my two comments – sorry about that!
To clarify. Doc Robinson raises a good point, as always. I believe people will stop clinging to their prior beliefs and the vaccine push will not become state-sponsored religion.
The gig is up. The plug is pulled. The nutjobs need to gather up their marbles and go home.
Doc Robinson: “As far as the data goes, as time goes by, the trends are clear: The touted benefits are decreasing (less effectiveness), while the risks are increasing (as more harmful side effects are recognized). For the people who believe the benefits outweigh the risks, the shaky ground they stand on is continually being eroded away. Will they respond rationally? Or will they continue to cling to their prior beliefs, making the vaccination push become similar to state-sponsored religion?”
I think they’ve lost control of the narrative. Vaccine uptake in the US has fallen off a cliff. People are not showing up to get their second injection. Hence the need for religious figureheads to now hop into the fray and pronounce coercive edicts on why you should get a vaccine for the greater good. Yeah? Really?? Good luck with that. Plenty of people have refused vaccines for decades due to religious beliefs. Now you’re telling them they’ve been wrong all this time?
The elite sociopaths appear to be losing and one of the means they have left to try is religion? Something wrong with this picture.
@laffin_boy: “… our ONLY REAL PROBLEM – that a few thousand sociopaths now effectively control an entire planet of 7+ billion people.”
There is fairly effective control of the NARRATIVES the sociopaths push. But those narratives are not lived reality for what is, most likely, the majority of people on this planet. To think that a few thousand sociopaths CONTROL 7+ billion people? Um … No. They. Don’t.
I do agree that the enemy is us. 😉
I think Australia, New Zealand, etc., have painted themselves into a corner by pulling up the carpet and slamming the castle doors shut for 18 months. This “pandemic” is now endemic, much like the flu and other diseases. It isn’t going away so these countries have only managed to put off the inevitable. It doesn’t appear the vaccines do jack all in preventing much of anything so just how is their policy of “vaccinate everyone so we can open up” plan going to make a difference in the long run? Sooner or later there will be significant exposure and it won’t matter which “variant” hits the country.
If the MSM would cease their incessant fear mongering and numbers running, few people would even notice the “pandemic” because there isn’t one anymore. There’s an endemic virus. Live with it.
Dr D., “A.I. ? They can’t even keep the lights on in L.A. and a private, totally-sealed pipeline working. I think we’re safe.”
Right??? Stated far better than I could. There is no such thing as AI that will take over and create transhumans in the future. The machine learning we HUMANS have managed to develop to date has resulted in things like self-driving cars that don’t. Think a self-driving car works? Bring it to upstate NY in January during heavy snow and the roadway sand/salt messing with sensors and cameras and let me know how well that self-driving works out.
Hell, we can barely keep a laptop operating properly. AI? Laughable. Good golly we humans seem to thrive on hubris. Probably time to get back to totem poles and the gods of nature. We’ve gone a bit off course here …
Re: requiring vaccinations for jobs/school/travel. Going to sound like Dr D. here … but people need to put their foot down and simply refuse to play the game. A large percentage of us must refuse to back down if we want to win this. Let them fire 30% of their employees and see how that works out for them.
As Raul pointed out earlier, if we are willing to accept thousands of deaths and hundreds of thousands of adverse reactions from *these* vaccines, we are signaling we’ll accept just about anything in the future, and we’ll have thoroughly screwed the pooch. With ourselves being said pooch.
@John Day: “I’m working on being attuned to that grand non-enslaving intelligence.”
Love it! 🙂 Me, too. That would be the one that offers us peace now, and triumphs in the end.
“Sophia, the artificial intelligence, recognized as a “person” by Saudi Arabia in 2018, did an interview …”
There is no such thing as artificial intelligence. There is machine learning that is derived from what imperfect human intelligence has designed and instructed it to do. Doesn’t matter what atmospheric level of hubris we humans think we’ve attained. Nature bats last. Period.
@absolute, I’m glad I don’t read the NYT. Depressing. Biden is calling this a “wartime effort”? Insanity knows no bounds.
I’m not going to thank anyone for getting a vaccine so we could end lockdowns and masks. Heroes on white horses, they are not. They’re fools who put their health at serious risk based on personal fear and blindly believing in faulty info from the gov’t. And that risk isn’t over yet since no one knows or can tell what the long-term consequences of these injections could be.
The question of mandatory vaccination is an interesting one that I’ve worried about for awhile if [when] these things receive approval, although I’m not certain how that can happen when clinical trials haven’t been completed? I do wonder what mandatory vaccination would look like here in the US, and I think it would be tough to pull off. What? Use vaccine passports to prove vaccination?? That hasn’t gone well so far. Go door-to-door and force vaccinate?? I don”t think the US population would tolerate that for very long. In general I think far fewer people are “all in” on this pandemic/vaccination narrative than what it seems in the MSM headlines and on twitface. Those are the people shouting in the public square, but there are plenty opposed to what is being done. Look at the US states that have gone on with the business of living rather than listen to the blathering of the gov’t. Or look to the London marches for evidence. That’s my hope, and I’m sticking to it. 😉
@V Arnold: I will help with the ivermectin if I can? But I paid Kachela with paypal when I purchased it and it sounds like they no longer accept that form of payment? (or your sister would do it). Was it Germ who mentioned using a different payment system that worked in India??
@Oroboros: agreed. The spontaneous abortion “study” wasn’t a study at all. It was such a cluster I read it and tossed it aside. If they’d actually wanted to determine the number of women who were vaccinated in the first trimester and then spontaneously aborted (vs the background rate of first trimester spontaneous abortions) they certainly didn’t develop a protocol that would help them figure it out.
Hi Herr!! (just had to write that at least once – 😉 ). I come back to TAE for the day’s comments a couple days in a row, too. Lots of thoughtful input here. It’s much appreciated, from everyone.
“Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”
As an un-vaxxed person living in NY where TPTB have decreed every un-vaxxed person shall wear a mask indoors, I’ve begun to grasp the emotional fall out that comes from “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy. The mask thing is not a big deal when entering large chain stores maskless because who cares? But when I go in the small local businesses I feel like I’m lying to them, in a sense. I don’t believe my vaxx status is a risk, that’s not what’s bothering me. It’s that THEY would believe my vaxx status is a risk and that I betrayed them. Maybe this is my opportunity to experience the shadowy side of the don’t ask/don’t tell philosophy our military (and other) institutions have toiled under for decades. It sucks.
“Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” is an insidious, destructive covert lie that damages relationships.
Idk, Madamski, I’ve been thinking we should wear purple shirts when we don’t align with either the red OR the blue BS anymore. 😉 The question would be, what shade of purple?
Um, Doc Robinson … I think you’re doing “just a bit more” [understatement alert!] than I’ve seen any reporter do in decades. Thank you.
@Rototillerman: it varies between US states and, I am sure, outside the US, but NY will not allow naturopaths to obtain a license so they can’t order tests or prescribe meds. If they want to order tests/prescribe meds they must also be a licensed physician in the conventional medical field (ob/gyn, internist, etc.) AND, to top it off … the conventional doctors here have no interest in working with a naturopath if for some reason you needed tests or meds after seeing a naturopath. AND … if you aren’t an established patient at a conventional med practice you’re SOL … so annual exams and testing no matter what!! I only wish it were as simple as finding a naturopath here in NY … would have solved my problem ages ago …
