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    Paul Gauguin Why are you angry? 1896   • Early Covid-19 Therapy With Azithromycin+Nitazoxanide, Ivermectin Or HCQ (SD) • Oh Look, Fraud In Medici
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle July 8 2021]

    #79185
    Germ
    Participant

    Myocarditis

    “But it wasn’t listed as a potential side effect until last week, when the MHRA released its most up-to-date safety surveillance data.”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9765259/British-health-chiefs-sneak-warnings-Pfizer-Modernas-Covid-vaccines.html

    #79187
    Polder Dweller
    Participant

    I assure you, if it requires coercion, manipulation, gaslighting, 24/7 advertising, fear-mongering, silencing of dissenting opinions and experts, slandering of alternative options, tons of incentives, and indemnification from liability, then it isn’t required for health.

    Very well formulated, that’s a keeper.

    #79188
    oxymoron
    Participant

    The immunity debt experienced in NZ is something that has been on my mind since the beginning of lockdowns. I think it is just ‘in the mix’ of the rolling shit-show but it will definitely hit in the places where people aren’t getting sick. I am quite healthy – eat well grow alot of my own food and eggs and honey and the rest get at least 4 hours a day of exersize etc. Still every year I get a bit of a cold or run down with some little bug or something. Not since COVID though – no one in this town gets sick The parents all talk about it at school pick up because we are used to being annoyed by germy kids.
    Always something cooking in the background..

    #79189
    Polder Dweller
    Participant

    (Google translate) The Prime Minister of Luxembourg, Xavier Bettel, placed under observation at the hospital on Sunday, will have to remain hospitalized for another “two to four days” because of the persistence of symptoms of the coronavirus.

    He had been transferred to the hospital after having tested positive for Covid-19 and to “carry out additional analyzes” .

    His current state of health is considered “serious but stable”.

    Symptoms after a European summit

    Xavier Bettel, 48, began a ten-day period in isolation on June 27, less than 48 hours after a European summit in Brussels where he had met the other leaders of the European Union. The head of the Luxembourg government then presented mild symptoms (fever, headache).

    No other participant had been considered as a contact case, the barrier gestures having been respected, having then indicated the government of Luxembourg. Xavier Bettel received a first injection of the AstraZeneca vaccine on May 6.

    https://www.leprogres.fr/sante/2021/07/06/hospitalise-le-premier-ministre-luxembourgeois-dans-un-etat-serieux-mais-stable

    #79190
    Veracious Poet
    Participant

    Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious spiritual people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. ~ John Adams

    Can the liberties of a nation be sure when we remove their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people, that these liberties are a gift from God? ~ Thomas Jefferson

    A man full of himself has no room for the Infinite…

    Bad men cannot make good citizens. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience are incompatible with freedom. ~ Patrick Henry

    A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine

    #79191
    oxymoron
    Participant

    China being so zen and cool over there next to the war-monger west is still super hooked on GDP (waste and pollution measured with cheering), international resource (wealth) extraction and an absolute mother-trucking arsenal of weaponry.
    I just don’t see it. I see Egypt. I see Mars. I see Mad Max. I see desert and famine on the horizon with war lords on their 4 horses.

    #79192
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    Yeah, mostly what China accomplished is arranging for itself to hit the energy-availability wall just as hard as we will here in the USA. Sure, they’re doing stuff we’re not doing like building these massive solar-power arrays, but what they’re going to find out is all the equipment associated with that build-out needs to be periodically replaced, and the big question is, will the energy to do that be there for them?

    #79193
    absolute galore
    Participant

    I would like to clarify a comment I made yesterday about James Kunstler, since it was perhaps interpreted in a way I did not intend.


    @laffin_boy
    wrote: My thanks to absolute galore for zeroing in on JK’s “special genius”. Which is to:
    — predict the imminent collapse of… everything – (pretending that collapse is ALWAYS just around the bend)
    — entertain your readers (because they’ve spent their entire lives being distracted, titillated, enraged, scared, and otherwise manipulated by our 24/7/365 global propaganda system and we don’t know any other way to exist without continuous external stimulation.)

    In other words JK is, like every other Well Known Figure, just an Entertainer. Someone who’s real job, while pretending to talk about Serious Issues, is to divert you from your responsibility to yourself & your family to try to solve those very issues.

    …I remember when JK, who use to be an unknown architectural critic, “discovered” collapse and jumped aboard the gravy train.

    In my opinion, this is not only unfairly disparaging, but completely wrong. I’ve had the pleasure of meeting Jim a couple of times, first driving up to Troy to hear one of his lectures. He took the time to speak with me one on one “backstage.” I subsequently went to visit him at his home in Greenwich, NY, where I interviewed him for a blog I was doing at the time.

    He is not only gracious and generous with his time, but also someone who “walks the walk”, preparing as best as any of us can for coming hard times. To say that he is “pretending” and “jumping about the [collapse] gravy train” is simply not true.

    Remember, his seminal book about our modern day troubles is called “The Long Emergency.” Sure, he has managed to make some kind of living while focused on this topic–and one reason he is successful at it is because he believes it one hundred percent. Good for him that he is able to do this.

    I think one reason his predictions don’t materialize in the timeframe he suspects they would has to do with one of his own catchphrases–we are living in a time where anything goes and nothing matters. So the disturbances and facts of the matter that are plainly visible to him–and “us”–are simply ignored, while the deck chairs get rearranged so that the vast unsustainable business that he is such an admirable and entertaining critic of can float along for another few weeks or months or years.

    It’s the same phenomena that has me turning to the MSM each day, expecting to finally see Ivermectin vindicated as a potent salve for Covid or reading about Hunter Biden’s long jail term. Nope. Not today. Not tomorrow. But at some point the whole mess will definitely hit the fan hard.

    By the way, Kunstler is also a talented painter, and has documented his small town on the Battenkill over the years. Personally, I am indebted to him, along with John Michael Greer, Ivan Illich, and Gail Tverberg (and to a lesser extent Orlov) as having a big influence in how I see the world these days.

    #79194
    Dr. D
    Participant

    California ‘Epsilon’ Covid Variant Contains Three Mutations (DM)”

    …And according to all recorded history, mutations make it LESS dangerous. So, happy? NO! The fear-demic cannot be stopped. Then you would stop listening to us and go do something useful like chuck us out of power. Then how would we take our tax-free jets to Epstein island? Really.

    FBI confiscates lego sets. Stunning and brave.
    https://www.theepochtimes.com/undercover-fbi-agent-embedded-with-militia-group-that-surveilled-capitol-filing_3891239.html

    He also owned a flag. I rest my case.

    “Based on LEGO Evidence, FBI Believes Capitol Rioter Was Also Planning Attack on Hogwarts Castle” -BBee

    These are not serious people. They’re clown people. Witness the life-long journalists with “Trauma” in “Therapy” for watching one news event in which unarmed people hurt, apparently nobody. Beclowned. “Not-agreement-capable” because they are “Not-reality-capable.” How long do you think that can go on? https://www.vice.com/en/article/4avqqn/reporters-survived-capitol-riot-struggling

    Well, if your plan is to destroy everything and bring the nation to abject misery, it’s going great, but if it’s the build and improve things, not so well. Which tells me their backers, supporters, defenders, participants, are working for China and other enemies of the United States – or rather its core principles of universal human rights – and fiercely against anyone who DOES support merit, prosperity, and human rights. Like Zuck and Dorsey. So, WHY would a group do this? What would be their reason or goal? Uh-huh.

    Border crisis worsens. Admin fights FOR 4x increase in fentanyl and human trafficking, rushing 1M people into the U.S., 10M people in 10 years. Huh. Funny. And why? Drug running and human trafficking because they care so much, from the goodness of their hearts?

    Am I kidding? “Utah BLM Says Anyone Flying American Flag Racist” an organization that has the full defense and support of the U.S. government and many states and cities, with every assault, murder, and arsonist released. “If you attack black people in black neighborhoods, maybe you’re one of us!” Since morally you should “Punch a Nazi”, if you burn down anything with a flag, you’re okay! Like 20 cities with $1.2B of damage.

    Boy Scouts Pay out Nearly a Billion for 60,000 Sex Abuse Victims and Almost No Arrests Were Made”

    It’s impossible to be arrested unless you own a lego set. You can’t judge me. Diversity of tactics and lifestyles, you bigot. Think I’m kidding? I’m not going to post the same arguments from the same people planning to normalize this (all) behavior, such that “men do what is good in their own eyes” except to say that RBG wrote in her book 1) sex work should be legal and 2) the age of consent should be 13 — you do the math — but just point out that Facebook is the top child trafficking site, has full support of Congress and the courts, and business is brisk. They can’t figure it out but they can stop lego sets? ISIS had a Facebook account almost the whole time they existed. Gee is that a group that, I dunno, promotes violence and hate online? Yes, but it’s violence and hate Zuck LIKES. The only rule is POWER. The only reason for power is POWER. …For the mentally ill.

    Dubai on fire. After ships in the M.E., Romanian and Caucus chemical factories and refineries, some in the U.S., one each day. But there’s nothing going on. No Cyber Polygon starting out there to make its way here. Nope! And groceries are not stockpiling extra food either.

    What can I say? Not a serious people. So they will die. And being only one person, knowing they’ve heard 50 years of warnings that all came true, I can’t help them. They can only help themselves. But that’s always been true. The point of government and other programs is a Con: they create your CONfidence in their welfare and medical support will be there, then like other Cons, betray them when the time is worst. Fatally, as they are a monopoly at that point, there is no alternative group and you go from full free health to zero killing — as we’ve proven — 100M in the 20th centory. No one learns. Note UK’s National Health, not only backlogged long enough for patients to die (as is Canada), not only talking about erasing (killing) the mentally infirm in several locations and institutions (i.e. murder and eugenics), but now doing the soft-kill of thousands at the earliest opportunity, not only with Covid and the response, but with a open-murder drug cocktail they’re being investigated for. …After allowing gang murders on the streets of England, underage rape gangs, and watching children go white with hunger, the envy of Dickens. You trusted them instead of yourselves. When you saw the warning signs, you did nothing. This is why you don’t centralize and that government is keenly unsuited for these activities. “Government is FIRE, it is FORCE” that is, VIOLENCE. So if you want violence, or stealing, corruption, lies, and fraud, government is your man. It’s essentially all they understand and aren’t even especially good at it. If you want medicine train a doctor, not a minister.

    What? They can’t be that bad? Well after erasing MacDonald, Canada’s 1st P.M., they just erased the inventor of mRNA. ‘Cause we don’t listen to scientists on mRNA, we listen to the science on mRNA. Got it? Clown World.

    “June 11, 2021, the inventor of the mRNA vaccine technology,1 Dr. Robert Malone, spoke out on the DarkHorse podcast about the potential dangers of COVID-19 gene therapy injections, hosted by Bret Weinstein, Ph.D. The podcast was quickly erased from YouTube and Weinstein was issued a warning.
    Wikipedia Scrubs Malone’s Scientific Contributions”

    All dials point the same direction: against Science and everything it stands for. Ask Daszak and the Lancet. For POWER. Power for power’s sake. Murder for murder’s sake. Because it feels so good. And no one does murder or defends it quite like government. Get the government, and it’s Murder by Numbers,

    “you can join the ranks of the illustrious
    In history’s great dark hall of fame
    All our greatest killers were industrious
    At least the ones that we all know by name
    But you can reach the top of your profession
    If you become the leader of the land
    For murder is the sport of the elected
    And you don’t need to lift a finger of your hand.”

    …The people will do the murders FOR you, and cheer! My god, a narcissistic orgasm, unending. You tell them to kill themselves and they do! Power. And they deserve it. No fault of mine! Sleep like a baby, cozy and warm. If these maggots are so weak as to believe you, aren’t you really doing the world a favor? Aren’t you really the hero in your story?

    “Why Won’t the Lancet Admit It Was Wrong? (Unherd)”

    Because then they wouldn’t be able to kill people by the thousands and laugh. In service of their masters and religious cause.

    “EU exempting Private Jets from Climate Taxes”

    Nacissists. ‘nuff said.

    ““Socialism with Chinese characteristics”.

    That is, where the government owns the means of production in a perfect merger. Unlike Fascism, where the means of production owns the government in a perfect merger. In neither do the people matter, only Party officials and oligarchs, misery spread universally. Look at Europe!

    ” Workers Are Funding the War on Themselves (DP)”

    The Con, as they pretend you’re awaiting a Nigerian fortune while stealing it all. The Con requires you to be complicit and credible. No con runs without your consent. If it didn’t, it would be violent robbery, open and opposed.

    “The Biden administration found out anyway by reading my emails.”

    And everyone – all the rubes, muppets, and marks, go “no he didn’t: that’s ridiculous” after 50 years of this, after the Church commission, after the Pentagon papers, after Cheney and Plame, after Obama charged more whistle blowers than all Presidents combined. After Clapper perjury. After Snowden, after Manning, after Trump. “No it isn’t” is their thoughtful, intelligent defense. “Daddy wouldn’t, daddy didn’t, and if he did, then Tucker deserved it.” The narcissist’s mantra. And so they die by millions. Is that injust? Wrong? You tell me. It’s your world, I’m just living in it.

    A man full of himself has no room for the Infinite…

    Another clown day in clown world.

    #79195
    absolute galore
    Participant

    I was about to post that Vice article that Dr. D linked to, but wanted to get my Kunstler fan boy post up on its own first.

    Anyway, the Vice article has a fairly hysterical (in both senses of the word) headline:
    ‘So, So Angry’: Reporters Who Survived the Capitol Riot Are Still Struggling
    The reporters who survived the insurrection are still covering Congress. But things don’t feel normal.

    Gosh, how many reporters were killed during that battle?! But the bravery! To see your comrades in journalism fall before your eyes and yet have the courage, the bravery, the patriotism, to continue covering Congress. I am overwhelmed and speechless. Can we please just say it: Front Line Heroes! We Salute You!

    Maybe things don’t feel normal because they ringed the place with troops and barbed wire?

    #79197
    absolute galore
    Participant

    Reminds me of that old riddle. A plane crashed on the border of the United States and Mexico. Where were the survivors buried?

    #79198
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @absolute: you’re knocking it out of the park today. 🙂 Thanks!

    #79199
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Talk about gravely serious people. Xi’s 100-year speech:
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:9HtcO5v0rQIJ:https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Full-text-of-Xi-Jinping-s-speech-on-the-CCP-s-100th-anniversary&client=firefox-b-1-d&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1&vwsrc=0

    According to him, what are they fighting and gloriously winning? The Opium War, that is, the Anglos, the West.

    Because words have no meaning, or only the double-meaning of POWER, wut?

    “This enabled China to transform itself from a highly centralized planned economy to a socialist market economy brimming with vitality, and from a country that was largely isolated to one that is open to the outside world”

    They’re a Socialist/Capitalist culture that’s fully open/closed.

    Channeling Agent Smith, they’re also a “Historical Inevitability”, a “Manifest Destiny” if you will.

    He’s not wrong, the Anglos and their poodles in Europe are the real enemy and do plan to unseat/burrow into China. They did in fact destroy and impoverish China for 100 years of the Opium Silver Banker’s War.

    Their enemy is therefore quite clearly offshore in Taiwan and the war must be completed. They are and must, “seize the initiative of history”, which can only mean the offensive, not defensive path.

    Do I overstate their perspective? “We must ensure it is our people who run the country” Xi, what other people except the Chinese WOULD run the country? Who do you have in mind here that is so close you need to mention them?

    Is it the same people who do “sanctimonious preaching from those who feel they have the right to lecture us. … we will make sure the destiny of China’s development and progress remains firmly in our own hands.”?

    And is that related to your new turn towards rapid militarization? “We must accelerate the modernization of national defense and the armed forces..safeguarding our interests.” And building of 100 nuclear silos overnight? To “promote high-quality development of the Belt and Road Initiative” is that what they’re for? Seems a strange tool for that job.

    “we will never allow any foreign force to bully, oppress, or subjugate us. Anyone who would attempt to do so will find themselves on a collision course with a great wall of steel forged by over 1.4 billion Chinese people.”

    Apparently this has also been translated, “blood on the steel wall” Again, who do you think is subjugating you? What does that mean? You can’t take the China Sea right out to Australia and the Philippines?

    “China’s complete reunification [with Taiwan] is a historic mission and an unshakable commitment of the Communist Party” “We must take resolute action to utterly defeat any attempt toward “Taiwan independence,”

    Well I can think of one island who won’t like that. But anywhere there’s prosperity, attacks are sure to follow.

    #79200
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    The Vice article about the Capitol reporters also brings to mind that RT editorial about all the shrieking and whimpering by what passes for the left in the UK over ending lockdown restrictions: The quasi-left comfortable classes in the Anglosphere at the very least have truly become pampered, poofy powder-puffs who will most certainly not be able navigate collapse once it is even more seriously under way. (I might not be able to, either, especially if they switch off the power and the heat just for shits and giggles next winter as some here were suggesting yesterday, but that’s entirely beside the point.)

    #79201
    Mr. House
    Participant

    If you will not allow price discovery in the stock market, housing market, business market, or any market, then you are lying. If you are willing to lie about things like that then you are desperate. If you are desperate then you are willing to lie about anything else, cough cough COVID cough cough.

    #79202
    oxymoron
    Participant

    a great wall of steel forged by over 1.4 billion Chinese people.” Which was stolen from Aboriginal land using Anglo Silver Bank middle men.
    I still want to go fishing by a running stream in the shade but I’ll have to wait till the dam breaks and the trees grow back.
    On a lighter note – quantum level meditation seems a worthy goal given the current circumstances.

    #79203
    Mr. House
    Participant

    Its as simple as that people, stop listening to the fake lying words and watch the truthful honest actions.

    #79204
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    cough cough COVID cough cough

    Mr. House is contagious and he’s going to infect all of us! Quick, somebody give him a PCR test run at 167 cycles!

    #79205
    Mr. House
    Participant

    And you can’t begin to regain trust in a person or institution until they stop lying, generally thats a good rule of thumb.

    #79206
    oxymoron
    Participant

    Mister Roboto the quasi-left comfortables are headed for more toilet paper hoarding and a crash course in remembering to turn off the lights when leaving the bedroom – you know bill-shock and all that.
    WEF has them owning nothing too and they have further to fall and much to realise. Lockdowns are a little teaser.

    I cut a bunch of firewood from dead trees today in anticipation of when our turn comes for heat and fire. It was nice to be working in winter in the sun when it has been so grey.

    #79207
    Mr. House
    Participant

    What i’d need to see before i really start to panic about a “sickness” 😉

    #79208
    Mr. House
    Participant

    #79209
    Mr. House
    Participant

    Yinz guys have any ideas why anyone would want to kill the president of Haiti? Was that the island the Clintons embezzled all those donated funds for victims of an earthquake?

    #79210
    zerosum
    Participant

    How the USA system works vs how we pretend that it works.
    • Oh Look, Fraud In Medicine! (Denninger)
    ————
    Its going to happen in your hood
    ” mutations have rendered the stabs effectively worthless.”
    ———–
    What happened when Europeans came to the Americas.
    “The longer these periods of ‘viral or bacterial low-exposure’ are, the greater the likelihood of future epidemics.”
    ——-
    Interpretation
    ” in the U.S., government changes but not policy. In China, government doesn’t change; policy does.”
    ———-
    cognitive decline
    ““others” are doing it in his place.”

    ———————–
    No longer exists
    Nobody is taking care of the petty cash

    “Pensions and 401(k)’s are were ….”
    $5 trillion in public pension systems that have accrued government workers’ retirement savings over decades…… the cash is now in these opaque “alternative” investments……
    These investments generate outsized fees for financial firms, bankroll the Wall Street’s political machine, and capitalize the corporations that are pillaging the middle class.

    ———
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karnak
    The Karnak Temple Complex, commonly known as Karnak (/ˈkɑːr.næk/,[1] from Arabic Khurnak meaning “fortified village”), comprises a vast mix of decayed temples, chapels, pylons, and other buildings near Luxor, in Egypt. Construction at the complex began during the reign of Senusret I in the Middle Kingdom (around 2000–1700 BC) and continued into the Ptolemaic period (305–30 BC)
    ——
    The web ….
    “influence in how I see the world these days.”
    ———-
    The USA social/economic system
    No con runs without your consent.

    ——
    You remember, too?
    “Yinz guys have any ideas why anyone would want to kill the president of Haiti?
    Was that the island the Clintons embezzled all those donated funds for victims of an earthquake?”

    #79211
    absolute galore
    Participant

    The one big glitch in China nuking us out of existence is that we do happen to be a pretty decent customer of all the crap they churn out over there. Maybe someone will whisper that little tidbit in his ear? Then again, if they get rid of us, they have the domestic marketplace all to themselves. They can have everything made in Taiwan and Hong Kong, and put all the mainlanders on Universal Income. Cause, you know, robots.

    Just like they did a high-speed industrial revolution in 20 years time, complete with the now famous “China used more cement in 3 years than the U.S. did in the entire 20th Century” fast fact-o-the-day, it seems they will complete a nice nuclear arsenal arms race in short order as well. Hurray for sanity.

    Meanwhile, today is laundry day here at absolute galore world headquarters…ugh. It’s one of the few things I miss about owning my own home (and one of the reasons I bought one in the first place.) Washing machine plus clothesline. Now that’s civilization.

    #79212
    zerosum
    Participant

    WARS
    How many wars can the USA do at the same time?
    Gangs/Guns
    Opioids/Pain
    Covid/Health
    Trump/Biden
    Rich/Poor/Homeless

    #79213
    sumac.carol
    Participant

    Dr.D I know it is all but impossible for many Americans to conceive of a publicly-funded health care system that works better, and at lesser cost for the same service with better health outcomes, compared to a private one. However this is the case. Studies comparing Canadian and American health care systems confirm this. Yes, there are wait times, but in the end the overall result is Canadians have better health outcomes at lower cost than do Americans.

    Extremely important article about how our pension funds are being directed by bankers for bankers. So hard for many to get their heads around – much easier to complaining n about the “lazy” welfare recipients next door.

    #79214
    Mr. House
    Participant

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/financially-hobbled-for-life-the-elite-masters-degrees-that-dont-pay-off-11625752773?mod=latest_headlines

    This should have been apparent after they completed their first four years of trying to join the paper aristocracy. Can’t really feel bad for people, i did research and decided never again after finishing college, why couldn’t they? This is crux of everything wrong with the world, absolving personal responsibility and forcing others to suffer due to others dumb mistakes.

    #79215
    Noirette
    Participant

    On the video where the Aussie TV chap says:

    …. “This is the largest clinical trial ever (he is reffering to COV vaxes), we will have enormous amounts of data (…) The message for the public is, it’s safe, it’s effective, it will help protect you (goes on to quote, and others, like your Nonna..) ”

    Is extravagantly nonsensical and duplicitous. Yet, it is apparently fine to broadcast on MSM, and is expected to ‘have an impact’, i.e. boost vax-taking numbers, and shore up the self-congratulatory moral righteousness of the newly vaxxed.

    I have also seen the various Cov vaxes rollouts called *experiments.*

    They are nothing of the kind, and there isn’t any data at all, as it is not being collected by anybody (even rogues, afaik, as it can’t be done, it is all too dodgy, one can’t even make some solid assumptions..)

    The VAERS, Eudravigilance, and other data bases collecting reports of adverse effects are there as a sop to the public (docs must know it is BS) — one can complain somewhere! It is official! As well as to support the myth of ‘data collection.’ Of course, whatever is logged in them can be dismissed, even thrashed, as the entries are spontaneous, individual, voluntary, and never checked, collated, analysed, etc. (Imho, many adverse effects reports have been removed, that is just me, one can’t prove that, so who knows.)

    And then the message it is safe is banged out again, when in fact the previous argument was ‘the data will tell, be useful’ — well I am kicking in open doors I know.

    The crux is, this is what the MSM does, and how that whole circuit (or circus, heh) functions is what has to be questioned, analysed and *in fine*, torn down.

    #79216
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    Just discovered that the comments on yesterday’s debt rattle are still rolling in. Some of the discussion revolved around control of the narrative, with the astute observation that using the term “elite” to describe “them” is, in itself, a nuanced form of control. The suggestion was put forth to come up with a different term.

    Could be interesting to open that “competition” back up today and see the results, if anyone is interested in sharing their ideas on a better term to describe the scum that hold financial power in today’s world??

    Or not … your choice. 😉


    @madamski
    , I was hoping you’d weigh-in on the control topic yesterday. Good response.

    #79217
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @Noirette, always insightful comments. Thank you. I found it highly informative when Dr Malone mentioned in an interview that the FDA had the ability to demand stringent collection of adverse events by pharma companies since these vaccines are issued under an EUA … but the FDA opted not to exercise that right. That by itself should cause some head scratching, but it hasn’t.

    As I mentioned in the past, the CDC and FDA are not captured by pharma. They’ve been sleeping with pharma for decades and the sooner we come to terms with that and act accordingly in our personal decisions, the better off we’ll be. I imagine we can toss the AMA, Lancet, and the rest of the alphabet soup institutions into that mix as well.

    #79218
    Dr. D
    Participant

    We ARE a publicly-funded government-run health care. Congress already has exercised complete control. And yes, we already have higher costs than Switzerland, with worse outcomes than Cuba. …Just the way Congress wants it.

    Careful with Canada, as we are their safety valve, a whole industry of visiting the U.S. for spot care. Like Europe, they could not afford it without our paying all Defense, and GST/PST very nearly cripples Canada as it is and they’re now depending entirely on financial and housing booms. Also my point was that, like all such plans, it does in fact work great — until very suddenly it doesn’t. Then all the death backlogged from 50 years of debt it paid back in one great war/collapse/default. Like Russia. And Britain is doing that – collapsing and refusing — right now, with the same immovable object, the bane of egos: “math”.

    When did it start getting really bad here? 1992, the exact year the government got entirely involved. At the direct behest of the corporations, erasing all competition by law, along with most charities.

    Compound
    https://www.oftwominds.com/photos2011/GDP-pensions-health2-11.png
    https://www.oftwominds.com/blogmar11/sickcare-will-bankrupt-US3-11.html
    No1DoesaNo2
    https://www.oftwominds.com/photos2011/healthcare-costs-US.jpg

    This is by design, exactly as warned by people like us. The whole PURPOSE of “HMO’s” (jargon of the time) with their bulls–t sales pitch was to utterly destroy any function of private health and move it into a national, federal health care with universal medical records. And in December of 2019 we saw exactly why. NO resistance to anything, NO possibility of avoiding vaccines while Julian Assange and Glenn Greenwald suddenly get “mis-diagnosed” and disappear of natural causes. …The orders under Obamacare was the Doctor MUST do as prescribed by the administration, even if it’s wrong, and without a private system to fall back on, the doctor would ALSO disappear, live under a bridge, and die de-licensed of natural causes if he doesn’t cooperate.

    Add to this doctors ordered to “ask about guns” in their microscopic 15-minute sessions, and consider any ownership or dissatisfaction with CNN or the establishment a sign of mental instability, Red Flag laws, and diagnosing all dissenters, including the President, with open mental illness and you really see what was going on.

    Very, very narrowly missed, and only with a horrendous, vicious, 30-year, dog-and-cat fight than continues today. As Biden jacks epipens and insulin. Today. Imagine your options for you and your children given the benevolent touch of the total state under Covid, the world’s most survivable disease at 99.97%.

    And all for the profits. Profits? What? It’s been nationalized. Yes, and you notice under Obamacare, insurers, not doctors wrote the law, and Pharma stocks, all rose, not fell, as drug prices all rose, not fell, Shkreli and Wall St rose, not fell, and the middle class took +10% yearly rises compounded for decades, worse than any pressure since the nation was founded, and immediate worse national outcomes.
    The only worse outcome possible than what we have is if Congress had succeeded. They are a thousand times worse than cash, and provably so on any level you’d like to name. Now if only we could get competition in that OTHER half of medicine: Insurance, which is ALSO totally run by Congress, Wall Street, and Corporate profits, outside of any competition or market-pricing one can think of. The “Profits” Health insurers paid HRC and Obamacare for are guaranteed by the state, with the merger of corporations and government as elegant as Comcast and benevolent as Halliburton.

    Under the state it’s illegal to be a single doctor, or nearly so. But I also can’t open up an honest health insurance company. Can you?

    If only we could have the technically-poor medical care and insurance system of 1979 we’d probably be twice as healthy.

    Instead, we’re nearing the full collapse of no health care at all. As seen in no Dentists and Cancer screenings for a YEAR, entirely against medicine and at Congresses’ full request AFTER funding the lab that created it in the first place. This is BEFORE we go bankrupt with pumping $2T a night, is imminent and fatal, banks and the internet lock up, and outside of Army tents, there’s no existing non-technical system to get any healthcare at all.

    Sure, tell me again about how good Congress is at helping my doctor. The system before they got involved was the worst possible…except for all the others worldwide. Ask Britain with their intentional drug-cocktail murder nursing home investigation. Yeah, that’s EXACTLY your script of 1936 stuff. Same path, same reason, same math. History repeats despite all the shouting I can do.

    #79219
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Gosh, what a sad statement. Wish I didn’t have to make it.

    #79220
    laffin_boy
    Participant

    @upstateNYer

    “I don’t believe “they” have control of 65% of the world’s hearts & minds. You seem to be primarily referencing the hearts & minds of western societies … how about we include the so-called 3rd world societies…and try to gauge where their hearts & minds are?”

    Thanks for catching my sloppy generalizing – which, unfortunately, blurred the points I wanted to make. You are absolutely correct that what i’m describing is the deliberate destruction of our Western Industrial Civilization executed BY Westerners directed AT Westerners. And the Plandemic has focused on the major Western countries for the last 18 mos. In fact I did an analysis last December on how effective the West was in protecting their citizens from the “ravages” of C-19 vs the results from the mainland Asian countries – using deaths / million of pop. as a proxy for their success (or failure). What I found was that the 14 significant countries of mainland Asia (24% of world pop) had average death toll (per million pop.) of FIVE while the US, Canada & the 12 major EU countries (10% of world pop) had an average death toll (per million of pop) of SIX HUNDRED & THIRTY THREE. In other words the richest, most technologically advanced Civilization that has ever existed on this planet did 125 times WORSE at protecting their people than an area that is, in total, poorer and less “advanced”. (Considering the narrative that we’ve been spoon fed for generations) how is this possible? Unless it’s intentional. Unless it’s part of the overall plan. AND unless it’s scripted and organized and executed by people with more resources and more power than any member nation.

    (Ok, back to your suggestion): I don’t believe the people who are organizing this “Reset” give a rat’s ass about the “3rd world” and what they may or may not think. Too much money does bad things to people. If you have enough money to pay for a global Plandemic-to-order then it’s likely that you’re not too concerned about Malaysian public opinion. And in case that there was some global “right to choose” implied with your suggestion let me point that very few of out Western countries can still be considered democracies in any realistic sense of the word. (including the US, Canada, the UK, Spain, Germany, France, etc, etc)

    But having said all of that you will notice that Raul posted an article (on Julian’s BD) about “Indonesia’s Harsh Lockdown”. Now that the West has been terrorized into submission it’s now time to spread some of that fabled Western Expertise to some of our less fortunate neighbors.

    also:

    “then how come THEY are able to completely control the narrative and thus win the hearts and minds of most of the world’s population? “

    Let me try a bit of personal experience from many years ago: I began to “wake up” to the reality of the world we actually live in when my kids were in their early teens. And I tried to share my insights with them but, to my horror, I found that it was too late. Mother Culture’s influence through the media and their peers was stronger (and more exciting) than my perspective on the world. What was to become their world. I came to realize that Mother Culture had stolen my kids from me. (mission: destroy the nuclear family) And I never got them back.

    and:

    “If we can’t win the minds of our loved ones…“

    You & I have mixed success at influencing the opinions of those we care about because (hopefully) we’re open & honest about our POV and the people we’re trying to influence can weigh our opinions with their conscious minds. BUT, way too often, they’re weighing our input against “opinions” that were instilled in them without their conscious awareness. They never heard Mother Culture whispering sweet nothings in their ears. In other words it’s a stacked deck. A rigged game. We lose out to an invisible advisor that they don’t know even exists!

    and:

    “they most certainly can’t win the minds of EVERYONE”.

    Yes they can because propaganda (a) WORKS and (b) it’s INVISIBLE.

    I know you can’t buy this because you don’t feel hypnotized and besides you’re too smart. But try this: Ask everyone you know if they feel that they’re influenced by advertising (which, of course, is just commercial propaganda). Iv’e been doing this for years and am still waiting for my 1st “yes”. But the US advertising industry takes in almost a quarter of a trillion dollars a year! One side here doesn’t know what it’s doing and I don’t think it’s Business.

    And:

    “Controlling the narrative is not complete control. To believe that to be true, is to believe we might as well crawl in a hole and pull the dirt down on top of ourselves.”

    I’m an old man. I’ve had 3/4 of a century to watch the evolution of the American Way of Life™ from “Leave it to Beaver” all the way down to “Drag Queen Storytime”. The more I see, the more I learn, the more fascinated I become in the degenerate ingenuity that we homo sapiens are capable of as we devolve further into a means of existence that Mother Nature never intended for this hopelessly lost species. But i’m riding this bus to the last stop. I’ll need the full story in order to write my account in my next life. ;^)

    BTW, “crawl in a hole” is Kübler-Ross’s 4th stage (Depression). Which means you’re only one stage away from accepting that Propaganda is Real. Come on , brother! You can do it! We can double the number of Believers on TAE overnight! As Arlo said: “It’s a movement”.

    and: “I call them elites because it’s a term everyone understands”

    Uh huh. Because everyone “understands” that those who have stolen our wealth as a nation and now are intent on stealing our very lives are properly to referred to as “Elites”? Sorry but i’m afraid that the fact that the media ALWAYS, WITHOUT FAIL refers to them as our (benevolent) Elites makes more sense to me. But then I believe that propaganda exists so my opinion won’t count for much here.

    #79221
    Mr. House
    Participant

    ” History repeats despite all the shouting I can do.”

    Thats because they don’t understand history, so its just shouting 😉

    #79222
    democritus
    Participant

    “For every 1,000 confirmed cases for COVID-19,” What does this mean? A positive test result? I think this is not the same use of ‘case’ as in US 34 million cases. Otherwise the figures don’t make sense.

    #79223
    island raider
    Participant

    “Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just around the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now you begin to understand me.”
    George Orwell, ‘1984’

    #79225
    John Day
    Participant

    “And now for something completely different…”
    https://www.johndayblog.com/2021/07/cowpeas-and-weevils.html

    Cowpea curculio is a weevil that can be very destructive to the crops it attacks.
    This pest is just as destructive to southern peas as the boll weevil is to cotton.
    The cowpea weevil is originally from Mexico and Central America.
    This weevil arrived in North America in the 1800s.
    ​ ​David Riley, professor of entomology at the University of Georgia, has been conducting research on cowpea curculio for the past eight years. He says weevils wreak havoc on southern pea crops when the peas start to flower. “The cowpea weevils will come into the fields and search for young developing pea pods to lay their eggs in,” says Riley. “They will eat a little hole and lay an egg inside the pea pod. The egg will then hatch inside the pod, and the little grub will start to feed on the pea. It eventually eats the pea. When it matures, the grub will come out of the pea pod, drop to the ground, and then it will pupate in the soil.”

    Cowpea Curculio Wreaking Havoc in the Southeast

    ​ A few years ago I started growing “field peas”, Whippoorwill type, once the most grown type in the US, grown by Thomas Jefferson, “once the standard”. They grow in all soils, and keep producing all season. Those are good characteristics. The peas (beans, actually, but African beans, not new world beans) are smallish, dense and benefit from being soaked and cooked longer than “Queen Ann” blackeyed peas that you buy in the store. They have done fine for me. I never had weevil problems, so I never learned more about weevils, but I decided to try other kinds of blackeyed peas last year, so I started learning about weevils.
    ​https://www.southernexposure.com/products/whippoorwill-southern-pea-cowpea/

    Last year, and this year, I have also grown Mackey Peas, a Texas heirloom, a bigger, softer pea, with more pea mass and a nicer flavor and texture. Halfway through last season, growing them in Yoakum, I noticed more and more weevil damage to pods and peas. This year I grew them in Austin and grew the whippoorwill peas in Yoakum. It’s the peas, not the place. The weevils find them. It got so bad that most pods had a minority of the peas good, or none at all, empty pods. I just took the row out, and Jenny is taking it to friendly chickens that don’t complain. The Whippoorwill peas in Yoakum are doing fine. I won’t plant Mackey Peas again.

    #79226
    John Day
    Participant

    More of the same…
    https://www.johndayblog.com/2021/07/cowpeas-and-weevils.html

    Here is the lowdown on growing Field Peas, from Hoss Tools, information that I found over the weekend.
    https://hosstools.com/growing-best-field-peas-garden/

    I have ordered some Misssissippi Purplehull peas, the most disease resistant variety they sell, developed by the Mississippi Ag. Experiment station in 1973. They call it a “crowder” type of field pea. It is not sold as weevil-resistant, but nothing is. https://hosstools.com/product/mississippi-purplehull-pea/

    I also ordered some Red Ripper a vining type of “Crowder” pea, widely sold, widely planted in Texas, an old variety. It’s good for eating, or as a cover crop, and drought tolerant. They don’t say anything about weevils. I’m going to do the test. https://hosstools.com/product/red-ripper-pea/

    The Mackey peas are out to the chicken yard. I’ll plant these 2 types when they come in. I’ll see how many I get after the weevils are through, and if I like them better than whippoorwill peas

    Interesting points I learned are that the weevils don’t attack new world beans, like black beans and pinto beans, or at least don’t do much harm. New world beans and weevils co-evolved, so the beans developed a defense (or they would have been eradicated). A strategy is to plant beans before cowpeas (typically planted earlier in spring) to attract the weevils to a futile effort. The new world beans developed a chemical that blocks the digestion of starch by the weevils. The African beans (cowpeas) don’t have that protection. Another strategy is to plant the cowpeas/field-peas/southern-peas in August and grow them into the fall. The weevils save up fat for winter in the fall, and lay fewer eggs, so they do less damage than in spring and summer.

    It’s a lot of work shelling southern peas, at least for what you get, but it’s more work shelling black beans. I looked up high (Combine harvesters, outta’ my league) and low tech ways of threshing them. The best I came up with uses burlap bags, beaten with sticks as they hang, and the beans let out a hole in the bottom. All the methods involve beating them with sticks and separating the beans from the pile of husks. This looks easiest:
    https://www.almanac.com/extra/threshing-dry-beans-john-withees-bean-bag-method

    I might try growing pinto beans next year.
    I really am focused on how much work for how much food, now. This is probably the main factor in how traditionally grown varieties were chosen and developed. It includes factors like insect loss and time to process and shelf life all together.

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