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Doc Robinson: “Former ambassador and whistleblower Craig Murray makes some strong arguments that “Domestic Covid-19 Identity Documents Must Be Resisted.”
However, in that same article he states:
“Now I have had my first shot of vaccine myself, and urge everyone to take their vaccine. I have expressed before my view that I believe that refusing to be vaccinated is an immoral position; it is to benefit from herd immunity while refusing to accept the very small personal risk from the vaccine itself.”
So … is Craig Murray advocating for the right of individuals to make a decision about getting vaccinated, or is he working to shame individuals into getting vaccinated? To present getting vaccinated as “moral” indicates the answer.
V. Arnold (from yesterday). Yes, I read Chapter 1. Twice. 😉 I’ve seen some online reviews of the book and critical reviews invariably focus on this chapter, generally stating that today’s parents don’t have the time to teach their children, and that jobs and such are highly technical these days so children MUST participate in formal education to get by in this world (or get ahead or whatever). Basically a knee jerk reaction that there is no other option for getting an education. I guess this would be a classic example of the point Gatto makes with his criticism of the system.
I dropped out of high school. Got a GED at age 17, I think it was. Went to college part-time here and there for awhile, managing to snag an Associate’s degree and get sort of close to a Bachelor’s before I couldn’t stomach formal education anymore and quit trying. Both of my children dropped out of high school in their second go ’round of 9th grade (flunked out the first time through 9th). Both earned their GED in their late teens without any additional studying on their part. They’re very smart people, but still … it says a lot about our education system. You don’t even need to attend [4 years worth of] high school classes to know the subject matter well enough to pass a competency exam.
Again, thank you for the recommendation and for providing links to some of Gatto’s other works. Very generous of you to take time to do that.
@ V. Arnold … speaking of Gatto. I have his book from the library right now, finally. I had to read the Prologue twice just to wrap my ahead around it. Never looked at the education system in quite that light.
Realized pretty quickly I wanted to own the book since it’s a deep dive, deserves thought, and is lengthy. A bit of web trawling revealed I can’t buy even a used copy for much less than a couple hundred dollars. (Not going to happen). Right now I just sit down, let the book open wherever it falls, read that essay (this copy of the book is pretty dog eared. Must be lots of people have read the thing). It has to go back to the library in a few days, unfortunately.
Thanks for the recommendation! Spot on.
@Dave: did you just call NY an asshat state? Well, I never!!! 🙂
Still looking at relocation possibilities …
@John Day: that’s a deeply moving and uplifting post on your blog today. Going to do a copy/paste so I have it handy to read when I need a reminder. Which lately seems to be every few minutes. Thank you.
phoenixvoice, conventional medicine can be exceptional in acute and traumatic conditions. If I get hit by a car I’m not about to trying self-healing with home remedies. However, conventional medicine falls flat with the majority of chronic conditions since most modern pharmaceuticals are designed to hide symptoms, not cure the cause of those symptoms.
Medical care includes the use of pharma, but it is not by itself pharma, so you’ve dragged this conversation a bit into the weeds in equating the two, and also by deciding to define pharma as the “pharma/medical establishment.”
However, to continue along those lines, early discovery of antibiotics is the classic example of the benefits gained through “pharma” (are motivations of early drug research efforts and the modern pharma industry even in the same ball park?). We can also toss anesthesia and pain relievers in since they made a serious positive impact on medicine.
But much of what pharma rolls out to the masses these days isn’t all that innovative and isn’t all that beneficial. I’ve listened to enough TV ads (US direct drug advertisements) to see that the potential “side effects” of many new drugs are worse than the condition they’re treating. As you say, “Sometimes the reason we shouldn’t trust is because of the profit motive.” I’d be interested to hear what other motives are driving the new drugs pharma launches? Or the old drugs with patents expiring where pharma makes a minor change and magically the patent is new and shiny, and the drug gets launched yet again?
I am friends with a quite intelligent licensed pharmacist. The stories she tells are disturbing. Of note is the fact her two children (now grown) received only a few rounds of antibiotics in their entire childhood and only when absolutely necessary. No other drugs.
Noirette: and thalidomide (1950s to early 60s). Prescribed for morning sickness and resulted in stillborn babies, death soon after birth, and severe malformations in the babies that lived. One of my best friends in elementary school was a thalidomide baby (I didn’t know it at the time, of course). One can only imagine the heartache of a mother who took a med to keep from vomiting and wound up killing or maiming her own baby. Why we trust pharma at all is a more interesting question.
Madamski nailed it when she said “We’re clever but deranged monkeys who look in the mirrors we’ve made and see gods.”
Hubris
absolute galore: I ordered from Kachhela. When you put in your online request you will receive emails from multiple suppliers and can pick Kachhela at that point and place the order. I paid through paypal with no problem. My order was for 10 boxes of 20 tablets each (I’m thinking that was the minimum order but I might be misremembering). I have enough for the entire neighborhood and have already given some away. It cost like $30 for the med, plus $35 shipping (international). Dirt cheap. Kachhela was responsive, shipped as promised, provided a tracking number.
As far as tablet mg size to order … John Day provides details on dosing based on body weigh: “for every 5 kg, or 11 pounds of body weight, a person takes 1 mg of ivermectin.” The tablets are scored and you can break in half if needed .. or you could order the small 3 mg size and take a bunch of them.
@zerosum, you are correct. Here on TAE we’re early. Was texting with a friend in FL the other day who worries about the state relaxing guidelines. I mentioned Ivermectin being effective. She came back with a link to Ivermectin that described it as a dog wormer, then added an “lol” to make sure I wasn’t offended, I guess. I sent her a link to the “Yale dr/researcher backs use of Ivermectin in treating covid” article. Ya gotta start small, that’s an easy article to read, and the word Yale is in it. One baby step to spreading the word.
Does it strike anyone as bizarre that we’re purchasing meds from India and self-treating for covid? I’d wager most of us didn’t see this coming a year ago. Is there a LOL emoticon I can insert here?
Thanks, Doc Robinson, should have known you would find the actual study. 🙂 I skimmed it. I understand the logic behind their conclusion but, as in other studies on these vaccines, the inherent flaw is exposure since that variable can’t be controlled without purposeful exposure of people to the virus. To determine whether reduced infection was a result of vaccination the researchers would need to pair a vaccinated and non-vaccinated person to work/live together for that time period. They could then compare infection rates between the two. That would be closer to a valid study, if they had also factored in for any co-morbidity, etc.
Thank you for providing the link!
This is the only place I comment so never got banned at NK, but when the most interesting commenters starting getting berated and then banned I quit visiting.
@Mr. House: I don’t visit the NK site anymore. Ever. Yves Smith has censored and banned over way more topics than just covid. You either agree and are in “the club” or you are tossed over the wall.
I was being kind and generous with my question to zerosum. 🙂
@zerosum: Isn’t Yves Smith a bit late to the game? TAE has covered Ivermectin extensively since … idk, someone help me out here … last year sometime …
No one has commented on “CDC Real-World Study Confirms Protective Benefits of mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines”
I followed the link, read through the page, didn’t find anything that makes sense. Am I missing something? Here is one paragraph …
“One of this study’s strengths is its design: participants self-collected nasal swabs each week for RT-PCR laboratory testing, regardless of whether they had developed symptoms of illness. Researchers were able to look for evidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection irrespective of symptoms. A small number (10.7 percent) of infections in this study were asymptomatic (i.e., did not result in symptoms). However, the majority of infections (58 percent) occurred among people whose infections were identified by testing before they developed symptoms or knew they were infected. The study demonstrates that these two mRNA vaccines can reduce the risk of all SARS-CoV-2 infections, not just symptomatic infections.”
Huh? Am I completely incapable of reading and understanding basic English? What did that activity prove and how did it equate with a study??
@absolute galore: any and all of us can give you our thoughts on whether you should get a vaccination or not, but ultimately it’s about your own belief system. You already know the risks/benefits of both vaccination and covid so I think the decision boils down to analyzing two core things:
1) Which do you trust more, your own immune system or a pharmaceutical? Your chance of getting covid that results in having in one or more organs attacked is slim, but if that fear keeps following you around, you may as well get the vaccine and eliminate it.
2) If your employer or child custody situation demands a vaccine are you willing to draw a line and fight for your right not to get one? If that’s a bridge too far for you, you may as well get the vaccine and eliminate the potential battle. (your child’s risk of severe outcome is miniscule)
I have Ivermectin from India via the link at the swiss policy research site (JD). Sealed boxes, blister packed tablets. Process worked like a charm, paid via paypal, dirt cheap to purchase.
@Germ: thank you.
@Archie: I emailed you yesterday from my gmail account, subject line: it’s upstateNYer . If you haven’t received it yet, maybe it’s in your spam? (it did come from gmail after all). 🙂
@Doc Robinson, from yesterday. I like your posts. You are skilled at drilling down into stats that I couldn’t find even if I had the time. It provides a good balance against the never ending onslaught of hysterical covid headlines. Please don’t stop posting them. 🙂
@V. Arnold: “now, for the first time in my life, Asians are being attacked violently/fatally across the U.S.”
Certainly not for the first time in your life. It’s been going on for decades. The US MSM is laser light focused on “white supremacist” racism right now so it’s blared in the headlines. (Unfortunately the MSM is overlooking that, proportionately, whites aren’t committing the majority of these crimes). Yes, these crimes are horrific. Violence always is. But this is not about “Trump and his China problem”. It appears to be more about beating and/or robbing an easy target since most of the Asians are elderly.
Race and False Hate Crime Narratives
I know you hate the US. You’ve made that clear. But the VAST majority of US citizens are not violent. Inner cities? Yes. The rest of us? Not so much. In light of how many guns there are in our country it’s clear the majority of us are quite peaceful. In fact, I believe we’re often referred to as sheep. Must be some breed variation that produces raving mad, lunatic, violent sheep, I guess.
@Madamski: I enjoy your comments. They tend to get me thinking. Thank you. 🙂
However with this comment: “I see no reason for them to lie, and traffic accident stats should be ridiculously accurate, since insurance companies want them to be extremely accurate for a number of reasons …”
You may wish to reconsider your perspective on your statement.that Insurance companies “want them to be extremely accurate” … because … why??
I posit that rates could [potentially] decrease a great deal if they were based on “extremely accurate” statistics. For example, I drove my car less than 5,000 miles last year, but the refund on my ins premium for all those those reduced miles was about $15. I’m wondering how that reconciles with statistics about average miles driven last year vs average miles driven in all previous years.
And with this comment … “It is possible, btw, that Deputy NHTSA Administrator James Owens is in part venting his frustration with having to wear a mask and maintain social distancing.”
Now, now … if you’re going to toss stones at Dr D. for his interpretations you should be quite careful not to do the same thing yourself. 😉
I don’t know, @Madamski, you’re assuming the statistics about current and past traffic/pedestrian accidents and deaths presented in those links are accurate. Why would these be any more accurate than other statistics we’re inundated with?
From one article you linked to: “We’ve never seen trends like this, and we feel an urgency… to take action and turn this around as quickly as possible,” Deputy NHTSA Administrator James Owens said Thursday.”
Great. Now my car gets to wear a mask and socially distance as well? 😉
This vaccine passport nonsense is ramping up fast.
Here in the US it’s “racist” to require photo ID to vote. Apparently it isn’t racist to require photo ID to, you know, live a normal life.
The link to the C.J. Hopkins blog that @Bill7 posted yesterday was a sobering read. Someone way smarter than me must understand why and how this is happening. I admit to being gobsmacked by how so many people can view all of this as “normal” and “ok”.
I alternate between feeling like laughing and feeling uneasy when it comes to the covid narrative. Laughing because a single news source’s daily covid headlines (or even paragraphs within a single story, as Raul points out) are schizophrenic at best. Uneasy because it’s disquieting to see so many people being easily led down a garden path by I’m-not-sure-what anymore.
Fear porn is a big contributor to people “following the science” as they toddle down that garden path.
Study: U.S. Media’s Covid Coverage Slants Heavily Negative
https://starkrealities.substack.com/p/study-us-medias-covid-coverage-slants
I tend to agree with Madamski. The idiots who think they’re in charge aren’t capable of devising a working electronic “automobile toll collection system” in NY (a single state!) so it’s highly unlikely they’re capable of creating a New World Order. At the same time, the idiots who think they’re in charge can inflict a great deal of damage in their attempt. Therein lies the problem.
@Archie (from yesterday). I lived in Oneida years ago, around the same time you did. Moved away for awhile (Boston, Raleigh), came back to be near family. Now outside Syracuse. May I ask your approximate location in the “north Georgia mountains”? I wouldn’t have thought GA offered anything close to upstate NY aesthetically. Is it awfully hot and humid there?
Seriously thinking I’ll have to relocate in the future … I love my [physical] state, but not the state’s government.
For the record:
“In January, New Yorkers were shocked to learn that the actual Covid-19 death tolls in the state’s nursing homes were as much as 50 percent higher than what had previously been disclosed.”
No we weren’t.
I don’t know how to post links with pic/video embedded like y’all do, so I’ll post what I can and hope it works.
Several people here post music videos (lovely and appreciated!)
Here is my contribution to music at this time of covid insanity: Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, “I Won’t Back Down”
If the link doesn’t work, sorry! I’m not an online poster (no FB, no Twitter, no LinkedIn accounts. Don’t know what Instagram and the others even are).
@John Day: “To save the economy, our life support system, 90% of us should make the sacrifice of shortening our days. We can do this knowingly, or in a series of steps that lead to the same outcome, without being burdened by the knowledge of what is coming.” My god I hope you are wrong about this bone chilling observation.
“Understanding-but-still-noncompliant”. I’ll work on my “understanding” part of this. You and I have very different personalities. I can perhaps learn something from you. 😉
If I can’t see my grandchildren without a vaccine, I won’t see my grandchildren. Makes the decision to relocate to a state without “vaccine passports” much easier.
How is it down in Texas these days? We’re still wearing masks in NY. It sucks. Bad.
@zerosum: I get it – your dna dies with you. 🙂 But you could have died or had one of the seriously detrimental outcomes others are experiencing from these vaccines; an outcome that ruined quality of life for the time you have left. Family pressure was strong enough to overlook those possibilities?
This reminds me of being a kid and having my parents ask, “If your friends all jump off a cliff, are you going to do it, too?”
Maybe @cloudhidden is right. Maybe the hype and fear and pressure are too much?
This segues nicely into the [hopelessly?] optimistic idea that humans are going to think loving and kind thoughts, shift the nature of mass events, and in doing so, improve the future of the earth (conversation taking place a few weeks back on here). Highly unlikely if we can’t even hold the line against people pushing us to get an experimental medical treatment.
@ Mister Roboto: I saw [online] awhile ago that the Swiss Policy Research Institute is purported to be a far-right something something conservative something something conspiracy theories something something debunked something something … At this point in the covid hysteria those slurs make me want to check things out even more! lol
I have 2 anecdotes.
Last thursday was 70s and sunny here, unusual for March. I met my daughter and 2-year old granddaughter at the playground here in town. One of the mothers would not allow her children inside the play area because [gasp!] some of the children and mothers in the play area didn’t have a mask on (yeah, we were guilty parties). Outside. Nice weather. With the mothers in the play area being considerate and making sure their children waited their turn and didn’t crowd other children. All very sad.
Yesterday was at a family get together with 6 adults in attendance. Three had gotten the moderna or phizer vaccine. Two I’m not sure about status (maybe they got vaccinated but didn’t want to admit it – these were my two adult children and I’ve perhaps been a bit vocal about these vaccines). One person definitely didn’t get the vaccine and, when asked, said she would never get one. Guess who? The non-star-bellied Sneetch. 😉
For people on here who have gotten the vaccine, can you help me understand why you did? I’m being serious in asking this question. I want to understand the other side of this debate. From my perspective the vaccine doesn’t keep you from getting infected. Doesn’t keep you from spreading infection. The mid- to long-term outcomes are completely unknown and cannot be known at this time (and the short-term outcomes can be horrific). Why did you decide to get this shot?
@absolute galore: regarding “the automatic toll booth technology that most have already submitted to”
We no longer have a choice about submission to that. They’ve removed all manned toll booths on the thruway. I’ve never had an “easy pass” for electronic tolls and had to travel the thruway last December. About 6 weeks later I received a bill that made no sense (toll exits listed/billed were FUBAR based on my travel). Paid it because the amount due was roughly accurate so who cares, right?
Then I received a second bill a month after the first … for the same trip. The toll exits on the second bill were literally indecipherable. I called the 800 number. Accidentally got transferred to a Supervisor (she wasn’t happy but helped me). Bottom line, there are cameras all along the thruway. Your vehicle is recorded even when you aren’t exiting. Then things apparently can go off the rails and you get charged for some extra times you pass a camera. The woman on the phone says this happens all the time. System doesn’t work. And if you don’t call within the window for the non-payment penalty (30 days?), too bad. You pay everything billed. Period. She said the only plus of the Easy Pass is that you can dispute charges at any time rather than being time period constrained.
Technology is the BEST! It makes everything possible! Here, let me give you my personal health information!!
Also … about NY vaccine passports. It appears I’m going to be the a non-star-bellied Sneetch very soon. I’m wondering whether I’ll wind up having to relocate to a Red state in the future just so I can leave my house. How sad is that? My family is here. I’m getting old. I don’t want to relocate, nor do I have the drive and energy anymore to do so.
So, @ adlertag: is covid really so “extinction level” that I should have to get an experimental “vaccine” injection (that doesn’t keep me from getting or spreading the infection) so I can continue to live in my community? Is it? Are you absolutely certain of that??
I told myself to not to, but I’m jumping in on @ adlertag’s post from yesterday as well.
1) If this is an “extinction level event” it’s unlikely that isolating, wearing ill-fitting masks, and washing our hands is going to stop it. Might as well live until we die. Or something like that.
2) On “covid long haulers.” This is nothing new. Post-infectious sequelae occurs following many infections, with regular flu and Lyme disease being two that immediately come to mind. The sad fact is, very few in the medical community care about post-infectious sequelae that results from other infections (in fact many deny it exists) because there is no value in fear porn with those instances. So people with ME, CF, etc., continue to suffer or get told it’s all in their heads.
3) Many drs are now treating covid long haulers with Ivermectin and other meds/supplements with good results. Hopefully this will translate into treatments for people suffering with non-covid post-infectious sequelae. One can always hope.
4) A very small percentage of children will probably have long-term health consequences from covid, and that is unfortunate. This also happens to a small percentage of children after having other types of infections as well (see #2 above).
Raul provides links to articles that support the mainstream covid narrative as well as to articles that offer a different perspective. He hardly needs to focus all his efforts on supporting the mainstream covid narrative since that info can be found, quite literally, everywhere. In fact, at this point it’s nearly impossible to do an internet search for any type of medical information without covid links dominating all of the first pages of the search results.
Re: India’s death rate. The graph that accompanies the article has been extremely condensed on a time scale (Doc Robinson can probably tell you what doing that is called). Condensing it sensationalizes it.
If you check the Worldometers website the India graph accurately elongates the timeline for the entire year+ covid time frame.Their high point in deaths was around 1,100-1,200 per day in mid September 2020. They began distributing Ivermectin and the death rate dropped, reaching a low of around 100 per day by late Feb 2021. Their “big new wave” is 250 – 300 deaths per day. For a population of 1.4 billion. Well, ok then.
I’ve been sort of watching India’s graph for months to see how much difference Ivermectin would make. The US can only wish it had pulled off that feat, especially considering the abject poverty and extreme density in areas of India.
We have homeless people living in tents here in the US, of course, but the support system available to them keeps most of them … shall we say … plump? (not trying to justify leaving citizens homeless – just saying that you rarely see thin homeless people starving to death in the US).
@WES: no, it’s not just you. The mRNA injections do not resemble what has been described as a vaccine in the past. Not to worry. As I understand it the definition of vaccine is now being edited in places like Wiki, Miriam Webster, etc. The ministry of truth and all, ya know. 😉
Joe Biden is 2 months into his term, has not yet fielded any real reporter questions, and is already exhausted. Now who could have seen this coming?
I grew up going to weekly church service, Sunday school, summer bible day camp, the works. As an adult I’ve not been a part of organized religion, although I consider myself spiritual. Mainly just adhere to “do unto others.” As I see it, that pretty sums up how we should act. Not sure why we need all the other claptrap just to tell us to be kind. Anyhow … lately I find myself praying to God. Seriously. I am growing that concerned about the exponentially increasing velocity of All That Is Horrible that is rumbling down the tracks.
I’ve come to the conclusion that what we are seeing with this [apparently] insane compliance to covid “science” (including vaccination compliance) is the result of decades of subordinating our health to medical professionals (I can only speak about the US situation since that’s where I live).
The vast majority of people here call their dr at the first sign of illness, submit to every “preventative” test that’s recommended, take pills to fix the most minor health issue, and the list goes on and on. I’m genuinely shocked by how often the people I work with go to the dr. When I was a kid we went to a dr when we were seriously ill. Now you can’t see a dr when you’re seriously ill unless you’ve established a relationship with them as a “primary care physician” that you also get to visit regularly when you aren’t sick at all. $$$$$
A few days back V. Arnold posted a comment that ended with something like … “you have to own it.” He’s absolutely right. That’s what each person needs to do. Put on the “big boy” pants and own it. But that’s what most Americans no longer do – they don’t “own” their own health or their own bodies. They subject themselves to whatever is the latest recommendation, no questions asked. To think they’d begin having independent thoughts now, after a year of fear mongering about covid, isn’t even slightly realistic.
In some ways I don’t blame them. After decades of not participating in mainstream medicine I’ve found that being on the outside and swimming against the flow is tiring and lonely. (Now, if Dr John Day practiced in upstate NY, probably be a different story. Him, I would set an appointment with). However, in NY nearly all medical practices are owned lock, stock and barrel by corporations. Profit trumps everything, EMRs create havoc, exhausted doctors, and everyone too fatigued to care about much of anything anymore.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-vaccine-children-moderna/
[CBS news story, in case the link above doesn’t post (story can be found in multiple sources via web search)]Moderna has begun testing its COVID-19 vaccine on young children, the company announced Tuesday. The study, called KidCOVE, is testing Moderna’s vaccine candidate in children ages 6 months to less than 12 years old.
Moderna plans to enroll approximately 6,750 pediatric participants in the U.S. and Canada in the two-part study. In part 1, each participant ages 2 years to less than 12 years may receive one of two dose levels, while each participant ages six months to less than 2 years may receive one of three dose levels.
Following analysis, researchers will determine which dose will be used in part 2 of the study, which involves a placebo for comparison.Children participating in the study will be followed for 12 months after receiving the second vaccination. The vaccine’s effectiveness, as well as its safety and reactogenicity (potential side effects like injection-site pain, headache and fever) will be studied.
The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) and the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), part of the Office of the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, are helping conduct the study.
I have young grandchildren. I am extremely worried. They’re “following the children for 12 months” after vaccination. 12 months? What in god’s name are we doing??
@Germ: Thank you for the link to the Dr. Bridle video. Excellent, well-rounded presentation. Appreciated!!
@thomasjkenney: your wife sounds like a hoot – I literally had a laugh out loud with the “Prepare to Meet Shaitan!”
Thank you!
The mRNA is a synthetic mRNA. According to the CDC website “Once the instructions (mRNA) are inside the immune cells, the cells use them to make the protein piece. After the protein piece is made, the cell breaks down the instructions and gets rid of them.”
According to Wiki (lazy, yes, but have read this in other sources): “Once inside the immune cells, the vaccine’s RNA functions as mRNA, causing the cells to build the foreign protein that would normally be produced by a pathogen (such as a virus) or by a cancer cell. These protein molecules stimulate an adaptive immune response which teaches the body how to identify and destroy the corresponding pathogen or cancer cells.[1] The delivery of mRNA is achieved by a co-formulation of the molecule into lipid nanoparticles which protect the RNA strands and helps their absorption into the cells.”
I can’t speak for Jim Rickards or Raul or anyone else who is raising concerns about this injection, but I don’t think any of them are trying to imply it will “change your genes” and somehow turn your brown eyes blue.
However, injecting a synthetic mRNA surrounded by lipid nanoparticles into your body, which does indeed instruct your cells to create protein pieces, is IMO a big deal. Especially an untested therapy with no studies on the mid- to long-term effects. The fact it’s synthetic is enough to raise an eyebrow. Since our bodies aren’t good at breaking down synthetic anything, is there proof this synthetic mRNA breaks down and is disposed of in a similar way to natural mRNA?
What boggles my mind is that anyone would consider being a part of this global medical experiment.
Having said that – you want the vaccine, get it. I’m not sure why we even debate this anymore.
