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Banner demonstration Budapest, September 4, 1012

After publishing Hungary Throws Out Monsanto AND The IMF 10 days ago, I've been keeping an eye on what goes down along the twin Buda and Pest shores of the Danube river.

That's how I came upon a video from Johnny Miller for PressTV, which is sort of Iran's version of Russia Today and Al Jazeera, news channels that find their niche and viability "behind the biases" of western media, in much the same way that the Automatic Earth and numerous other websites do. Of course, there is no lack of people who declare exactly those alternative voices to be biased, but wherever the truth may lie, fact is that many readers and viewers in the west are fed up with, and no longer trust, their traditional media, let alone their political systems. Hungary may prove to be an excellent example of why that is and how it all plays out.

Now, first, let me state once again that I don't know much about Hungary, and I happenstance upon the things I view and read about it with the eyes of an innocent child. I do have a long history, however, of not believing a word I read at first glance – or The Automatic Earth would not exist. Which is why, when I picked up on the ideas US and European media hold up as undeniable truths about Hungarian PM Victor Orbán and his Fidesz party, what a vile and crazy man he basically is, I questioned them off the bat. It's obvious he's made enemies of Monsanto and the entire GMO industry, as well as the IMF/EU/ECB troika, and therefore western media have plenty incentives to paint him off as a lunatic.

And also, let me repeat that he may well be a bully himself, like he is being bullied by the troika, the seed industry and the media they control. All I said was, certainly in light of the fact that I know little about him, I did – and do – tend to give him the benefit of the doubt, for the moment, because of his refusal to kowtow before those who act as if they rule the entire planet.

I urge you to please watch the video, 20 minutes or so, but I'll write down some key points below.

 



Since the fall of Communism, Hungary has been doing everything the Western institutions have asked, privatizing and selling off state assets, which resulted in heavy debts and low living standards. Now, the new government is hitting back by raising taxes on foreign companies and trying to protect its domestic market. However, it has been criticized by the EU, IMF and the Western media. Hungarians have also taken to the streets of Budapest and the Western media is championing the views of the protesters and damning the government. On this week's INFocus we will tell the real story of why the new Hungarian government is becoming a new bogeyman of the West and how fake protests can be started under foreign influence.

The opening quote is poignant: A destitute Hungarian mother of a young boy says this about the IMF and EU involvement in Hungary:

The problem of the poor can be solved by killing them but it is not allowed. This is a holocaust without a gas chamber. There is no future here.

• In January 2012, there were protests in the streets of Budapest against government policies with regards to press freedom. The organizers called themselves "One Million For Press Freedom". But only 40.000 show up. Still, the protests got extensive coverage in the west. One of the organizers now admits that maybe they were used for western propaganda, which aimed at depicting the government as a dictatorship. He is interviewed without any semblance of fear of government retaliation, which leaves one wondering what exactly he was protesting, especially since later he says he was protesting higher education laws.

• According to Hungarian economist Imre Boros, the Orbán government declared that foreign banks and corporations, who hardly paid any taxes at all before, would have to pay more. 13 foreign multinationals and 5 major global banks then went to the to EU to complain about the new taxes, and the financial markets attacked the Hungarian economy. Plus, rumors are being spread about anti-semitism and lack of freedom for the press, rumors which Boros says are simply not true ("Everybody writes here whatever they wish").

• At the same time of the anti-government protests, there was another rally in support of the government, and against the EU and IMF policies. This protest, rather than 40.000, numbered in the hundreds of thousands (500.000), and was mainly ignored by the west.

• TV host and Fidesz founder Zsolt Bayer: What is a dictatorship? Is that when a country doesn't serve the interests of the EU and IMF? Is that a dictatorship? He says the pro-government demonstration saved the Orbán government, because nobody dares resist a half a million people in the streets.

• The socialist government that preceded Orbán was praised by the likes of visiting Tony Blair in 2006, executed EU/IMF policies and had the police beat up on demonstrators, one of whom was Attila Lavai, who we first see beaten up in 2006 and then interviewed by PressTV in 2012.

By the way, in a lovely side story, and don't even try to tell me you could have made this up yourself, if you allow me to veer off track for a moment, the PM at the time, Ferenc Gyurcsány, was in the news last week:

[Former] Hungarian Prime Minister Ends Hunger Strike For Voters Rights

The former prime minister of Hungary, Ferenc Gyurcsány, has ended a week-long hunger strike that he said was aimed at ensuring free and fair elections. Gyurscany has expressed concerns over plans by the government to overhaul the election system in the young democracy of this European Union nation.

In front of the neo-ghotic parliament building of Budapest, several tents emerged this week. Some carried slogans referring to Prime Minister Viktor Orbán's government as a "regime". Former Prime Minister Gyurcsány and three fellow politicians were camping in two small green-colored army tents, without food.

Gyurcsány, who leads the leftist Democratic Coalition, told BosNewsLife that he was on a week-long hunger strike to protest against government plans to introduce voter registration ahead of the 2014 parliamentary elections. He views that as another attempt by the center-right government to intimidate voters.

Yet, Prime Minister Viktor Orbán's Fidesz party has denied wrongdoing. It says registration is needed in part to keep track of the hundreds of thousands of ethnic Hungarians living in neighboring countries, who have obtained citizenship. Under a recent law they also have the right to vote, a move the opposition claims is aimed at boosting support for the ruling Fidesz party.

However, opposition leader Gyurcsány, himself is not without controversy. He was forced to resign as prime minister in 2009 after a recording emerged in which he admitted to have lied "night and day" about the status of the economy to win reelection.

The former Communist youth leader-turned politician acknowledged to BosNewsLife that this speech will "probably follow" him the rest of his life. He has also said he is not seeking to become prime minister, again.

It is stories like that which make life worth living. I'm sure you can all just imagine George W. Bush or Gordon Brown in a tent without food for a week in front of their parliament buildings. About the issue itself: As far as I know, it is quite common in democracies to have voters register. Since Hungary looks to add voting rights for 1 million Hungarians who live abroad, and apparently until now had no such rights, it all doesn't look that crazy or bad or anything, not from where I'm sitting. Back to the video:

• TV host Bayer: "When are we going to be good guys? If we sell them the remaining energy sector and privatize everything? That's the conditions of the loan. Let's sell the energy sector, let's sell public transport. So if we are willing to behave like a colony, we get a loan, that we will never be able to pay back. Thanks, but I don't want this"

• Economist Boros then says that after the "Russian Consensus", what the IMF has attempted to do – often successfully – in the former Eastern Bloc is what Naomi Klein describes in The Shock Doctrine. It's called "Reform", and it means privatization, which in turn means selling key assets to global big players (it also means cutting jobs, salaries, pensions, benefits, health care and so forth). Hungary MP Márton Gyöngyösi says privatization has been disastrous for Hungary.

• Mihály Varga, the minister in charge of the talks with the IMF, when asked: "Are you going to stand up to the IMF?", responds: "Absolutely".

But, as PressTV notes, the same government threw out the IMF last year, "and now, they're back".

• "Out in the country side, it's easy to see the changes in Hungary since signing up to IMF and EU enforced policies. Hungarians used to be intensely proud of their agriculture; the soil here is very fertile, and great for growing fruit and vegetables. SInce 2004, when Hungary joined the EU, the EU forced Hungary to stop subsidies to agriculture, therefore devastating the industries. Now Hungary imports a lot of fruits and veg, rather than growing it themselves. Obviously, a lot of jobs lost as well. A lot of Hungarians simply cannot believe how that policy could possibly have been good for the country."

• Zsolt Bayer again: "In the past twenty years, all our industry has disappeared. We got our world class agriculture impoverished by the West. We are a small country, these 10 million people are only a market for the West. We are not needed for anything else. The EU has no future because the EU has no ethos. It is all about money. Nothing else".

• "My most important message for the East, for Africa and South America, all nations, is that you are obliged to save yourselves. Those who give up their customs, their culture, if they give up everything they won't be a nation anymore."

• The mother of a young boy: "I think we will be a pothole of the EU, a transit country. We will be a colony, slaves again.

The IMF and EU are no less vampire squids than Goldman Sachs is. If anything they're more dangerous, since they can make people believe that they are somehow democratic institutions, and have their best interests in mind. People may have reservations about what is happening in Budapest, but I have to say that the more I read about Victor Orbán and his government, the more I tend to sympathize with what they are trying to accomplish, and the more I understand what they are up against.

I get the feeling that if we in the West treat him with suspicion, and believe the stories our media feed us about him as a monster, the more we leave the only country I know with the courage to stand up for itself in the face of the most brutal of bullies, alone in its quest. Which happens to be a quest many of us feel a strong connection with. The stories aim to confuse us about that, and they largely seem to accomplish what they're aimed at so far. And that is a shame.

Hungary and Orbán, partly because of the wide coverage of the small demonstrations against him, and, though for totally different reasons, partly because of the mass demonstrations in his support, which received no coverage, is now back at the table with the EU and IMF. Whose intention it is to make him an offer he can't refuse. If he doesn't accept, they'll declare financial war against him. And his people. Until they all give in. This happens in our name. While many of us would want to have our name, our beliefs and convictions, to be with the other side, his side. As long as we don't make that choice, and do it openly and loudly, we will remain the de facto schoolyard bullies. And we don't get a free pass from that just because we don't do or say anything.

Reuters ran a large piece yesterday on the Hungarian situation, in which Krisztina Than and Gergely Szakacs appear to be on an uncomfortably wobbly trail between the default western picture of their country and the search for a sort of balance in reporting. As for how successful they are, you be the judge.

Hungarians impatiently await promised "fairy tale"

For Hungarians queuing up to work abroad, the government's promise to achieve a "fairy tale" of national prosperity soon is precisely that – more a fantasy than a realistic possibility. At least 300,000 Hungarians work in western Europe, according to government estimates, apparently unpersuaded that conservative Prime Minister Viktor Orban's go-it-alone and often unpredictable policies can solve the nation's problems.

Those still in Hungary are convinced neither by Orban's unconventional style of economics and politics, which has led to conflict at home and abroad, nor by a weak opposition. An Ipsos opinion poll last month showed 53 percent of voters – or 4.2 million people – had no party preference whatsoever.

Fiercely independent, Orban has upset at one time or another the European Union, the International Monetary Fund, the government of Armenia and – at least indirectly – NATO. With the domestic opposition he remains constantly at loggerheads. [..]

Orban's government, which does not face national elections for another 1-1/2 years, is trying to press home a message that its policies will bear fruit soon. "The Hungarian fairy tale or the Hungarian example will be a successful one in a year's time," Economy Minister Gyorgy Matolcsy said earlier this year.

A message that Hungary will emerge as a strong nation from the crisis engulfing most of Europe is hard to sell to voters. On the face of it, Orban has avoided many of the problems that are besetting countries across the EU. The government, dominated by his Fidesz party, has a two-thirds parliamentary majority following a landslide election victory two years ago and is among the most stable in the EU.

While others struggle to control huge budget deficits, Hungary's is due to remain this year below the EU ceiling set at 3% of total annual economic output.

Orban, who was also premier from 1998-2002, has achieved this without the outright austerity measures that have toppled a number of EU governments, and has even cut personal income tax. He has funded this with measures such as a windfall tax on the financial, energy, telecom and retail sectors, and an effective re-nationalization of private pension funds.

But Hungary's economy, largely geared to exporting to western Europe since the fall of communism more than 20 years ago, has slid into recession as demand falls in the euro zone.

Orban's policies such as the extra taxes have undermined investors' confidence and he faces tough talks with the IMF and EU this autumn about a loan deal that would help to cut the country's high borrowing costs.

Combative as ever, he said Hungary needed the loan "to protect itself from the sickness weighing on Europe". "We can only achieve success if we boost our autonomy, and make our own decisions, in other words if we boost Hungary's room for maneuver," he told parliament last week, making clear he wants a deal with international lenders on his own terms.[..]

With a firm hand, Orban has solidified the power of Fidesz – which began as a radical student group before shifting over the years to the right – in ways that critics say have eroded democratic checks and balances.

The government has consistently rejected such charges, but the passing of a media law which critics say could be used to curb press freedom provoked a dispute with the European Commission.

Curbs on the Constitutional Court's jurisdiction have also proved contentious, while tens of thousands of Hungarians rallied in January to call for the removal of the man they called the "Viktator" after the constitution had been rewritten.

A few weeks later a pro-government rally attracted 100,000 people, showing Orban remains popular among his core supporters.

Changes to the central bank law caused another row with the EU and IMF, which said it hurt the Hungarian National Bank's independence. Amendments resolved the standoff only after it had held up the talks on IMF/EU financing for months.

The Reuters writers then mention a recent international incident which involves a murder case in Budapest 8 years ago, once more, of course(?), used to discredit Orbán:

Under Orban, Hungary has even become involved in disputes as far away as the south Caucasus where tensions are high between Azerbaijan and Armenia. Last month, Hungary stirred a storm when it sent home an Azeri soldier who had murdered an Armenian officer with an axe during NATO training in Budapest in 2004.

The soldier, Ramil Safarov, was pardoned and celebrated as a hero when he got home. Armenia instantly broke diplomatic ties with Hungary, and NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said he was "deeply concerned" by the pardon.

Orban has defended the decision, saying it was in line with international law. He even said that Hungary acted knowing the move could spark a diplomatic backlash.

"His ways may be risky and you can't always know where it leads," said one source familiar with Orban's thinking, who wished to remain unnamed. "But even if you do not agree with him, within his own logical framework he has a well-grounded answer to each question."

Despite government denials, opposition parties say it let Safarov return to Azerbaijan in the hope of economic favors in return from the energy producer. The Socialists, who beat Orban in the elections of 2002 and 2006, have called on him to resign over the decision, but they remain electorally weak.

I've seen a number of conflicting reports on the case (is Orbán terribly naive, did the Azeris pay Hungary a billion dollars), and I find it hard to call. But I don't think that if a foreign national kills another foreign national on their soil, many countries would insist on keeping the killer in their prison system indefinitely at all cost. Also, Armenians have been living in Hungary for 1000 years or more. And along the same lines that in Hungary, like across eastern Europe as a whole, there's a long and ugly history of anti-semitism, I'm sure Armenians have had tough times in the country as well through history. But I haven't so far found any convincing arguments that for either people, or the Roma for that matter, it's Victor Orbán who's responsible for increasing hatred or tensions. Given the way he's consistently being pictured as a crazed dictator, and given his fights on multiple fronts against Hungary's potential colonizers, let's just say I have my doubts. But I'm open to being educated.

What I'm interested in for now is not politics, but finance, even if the two seem intricately intertwined. Any country, and its leaders, that dares resist the ever more suffocating global powers of the IMF, the EU/ECB, and the banking system and multinationals (think Monsanto) they serve, quite simply looks of interest to me. There are schemes and policies being executed in our names that we shouldn't wish to sign off on, by power hungry people hiding behind the veils of global corporations and über-government institutions, and the victims of these policies are real people, just like we are. If anything, that's what Hungary teaches us.

 


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September 19, 2012 at 8:42 pm #8434

Raúl Ilargi Meijer

Banner demonstration Budapest, September 4, 1012 After publishing Hungary Throws Out Monsanto AND The IMF 10 days ago, I've been keeping an eye on
[See the full post at: Hungary Says The IMF And EU Want To Make It A Colony Of Slaves]

September 20, 2012 at 3:42 am #5699

Viscount St. Albans

What about Belarus?

Many of the things you’re praising about Hungary: Relatively recent Resistance to onerous demands of IMF etc.

All that and more could be said for Belarus as well. It resisted such overtures ever since breaking away from the Soviet Union ~ 20 years ago.

In the end, it couldn’t go it alone (see the Russian bailout last year when the financial system was on the verge of collapse).

And from what i’ve read…..life in Belarus has been far from rosy.

The experience of Belarus suggests to me that refusing outside “support”, attempting to forge ahead on one’s own, is unlikely to produce a desirable outcome. Society still has to face too many wants and not enough haves. And that inevitably produces the repression that is so abundant in Belarus, with its red and black prison system — and a President who never loses elections.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/17/opinion/belarus-europes-last-dictatorship.html

September 20, 2012 at 4:06 am #5701

Viscount St. Albans

Small Country = Colony

Throughout Eastern Europe, one country after another is either being pulled into the EU/IMF orbit or drawn back into the Russian orbit.

Serbia is a dramatic example.
IMF/EU meetings on day 1
Private meetings with Putin on day 2.

At the present time, advantage Putin.

It seems inevitable — as though these nation states are always destined to be colonies to someone.

Why: Geography. They don’t have the diversity of soil, mineral, petroleum deposits and navigatable river valleys, and/or deep water ocean ports to ever enable lasting economic independence. They will forever be independent mostly in name only in good times — and a province within a rising power during other times.

September 20, 2012 at 10:47 am #5707

TheTrivium4TW

Being that this is the new thread… I’ll deliver what I promise – proof that QEing for jobs is a big, fat narrative hoax.

First a couple facts.

1. The government has a law that says 23% of federal contracts should go to small businesses. They missed their goal. Again. Most often multi-nationals and often in no bid contracts.

2. 90%+ of new American jobs are created by small business.

So, if they *really* wanted to create jobs in America, instead of deceive you, they’d give more contracts to small business. That’s easy and completely under their control.

That’s not all – they’d end the tax breaks for multi-national offshoring as well.

So, why don’t they do these things? It costs the Money Power money and power.

Why do QE and lie about it being for jobs and growth? Because it enriches the Money Power via their corporate fronts and increases their power.

It’s like a coin is labelled “enrich private banking oligarchy” on one side and “hurt banking oligarchy on the other.”

How many times in a row does does “enrich private banking oligarchy” have to come up before folks figure out what should be obvious by now?

I’m not a big fan of the mainstream use of Occam’s Razor. For example, someone told me that the Fed is covering up incompetence by lying about its mandate and fabricating a dual mandate because that is a simpler explanation than the Fed being criminal in nature.

Who is the arbiter of the idea that incompetence is a “simpler explanation” than is criminality? Surely nobody that has read up on history and actually understands it.

Again, we get back to what “words” mean and how we can manipulate those words into meaning what makes us comfortable and not what they actually mean.

The scariest part about the Fed lying about its mandate isn’t that they lie about their mandate.

The scariest part is that the ENTIRE ESTABLISHMENT covers for that lie WITHOUT EXCEPTION.

Search “Federal Reserve Mandate Section 2A” and try and reconcile it with the first chart at this link…

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=207083

BTW, that bubble you see there is the root cause of the coming depression – an idea so simple that even a cave man could get it.

Who criminally drove the bubble and lied about it?

Who is the root cause of the coming depression?

Ilargi has a good point that it isn’t the Federal Reserve doing this all by themselves.

But it is the Money Power and the totality of their resources under control that appealed to the greed and narcissism of society in order to plan and achieve this grand agenda of theirs.

They study history. They know our weaknesses better than we know ourselves. They exploit those weaknesses to increase their power and control and the reduce everyone else’s.

In that context, the Money Power is batting over 99%… the 1% being a Greece or a Hungary. But they’ll line up later or they’ll become “terrorists” like nation’s that don’t allow Debt Money Tyranny.

The simplest explanation to batting 99% is that their intent is to be at bat gaining more power and wealth and impoverishing everyone else.

September 20, 2012 at 11:48 am #5709

Viscount St. Albans

Hungary’s Problem: Its borders

In Central and Eastern Europe: Look at the state defined pretty clearly by the following mountain ranges: Western border = Alps; North, East and Southeastern border = Carpathian Mountains; Southwestern border = Dinaric Alps

What nation’s boundaries are defined by those mountains?

Currently no single state. It currently encompasses Eastern Austria, Southern Slovakia, All of modern Hungary, Western Romania (notably Transylvania), Northern Serbia, as well as Eastern Bosnia and Croatia.

But if we look historically, one can see a pretty clear outline of the Austrian and Austro-Hungarian Empire (from ~ 1800-1918).

If we look further back in history, we see the border of the Kingdom of Hungary which existed with variations for ~ 800 years (~1000 AD – 1800 AD).
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Eventually, I suspect that lingering tensions between Hungary and Romania will re-emerge. Northwestern Romania (~ Transylvania as defined by the Carpathian Mountains) has significant Hungarian ethnic, and cultural ties.

September 20, 2012 at 4:45 pm #5713

p01

Viscount St. Albans post=5404 wrote:
Eventually, I suspect that lingering tensions between Hungary and Romania will re-emerge. Northwestern Romania (~ Transylvania as defined by the Carpathian Mountains) has significant Hungarian ethnic, and cultural ties.

I used to think the same, however reading more about the whole doo-doo that Eastern Europe is in up to the eyebrows, I now think tensions will be merely in local communities, where they always were dealt with one way or another without much fuss. The centre can’t hold in either country enough for a civilized full scale pogrom, cleansing, and war although the potential is certainly there.
If anyone wants a more vivid B&W picture of how (only Eastern?) Europe will look like, I recommend Bela Tarr’s Satantango movie, a hard to watch, but IMHO very optimistic POV view; available in some of the more obscure places of the Internet, of course, for those so inclined.

September 20, 2012 at 9:43 pm #5716

John Day

I’m back ON-TOPIC since this is the French reanalysis of Monsanto’s raw data on GM corn from 12 years ago, which may have been seen early by hungary, before they booted Monsanto out.

Misinformed by “Science”,

There are a lot of pictures of deformed albino Sprague-Dawley lab rats popping up over the past 2-3 days. Those kinds of pictures are easy to come by.
What is really going on?
Monsanto had to fund scientific studies to “prove” that it’s GM corn/maize varieties were “safe” for human and animal consumption in OECD member countries.
So firstly, the intent of these studies is clear. The intent of these studies is to find no fault, no metabolic danger to living organisms.
Monsanto has done this dance before, and knows how to do it. It is general knowledge, anyway. It is a very common dance. Industry funds most of this research, and funds the researchers who provide the desired results most reliably. I’m not jaded. I’ve been involved in physiologic research studies on lab rats for years in college and med school. I’ve had long discussions with researchers, often about other researchers, and methodologies used, tossing out a couple of bad data points to get where you need to be, things like that. My critical reading of medical and physiological research has generally led me to conclude that 80-90% of published, peer-reviewed research is totally-biased-crap, meant to prove dome predetermined “fact”.
In order to justify conclusions, researchers are supposed to reveal all raw data and all statistical methods of analysis. This is Greek to most readers.
Let’s look at how Monsanto stacked this data in their own favor.
Yes, this is ALL Monsanto data we are discussing, and it is 12 years old, and it has been kept secret, pried out by Greenpeace lawsuits and such.
We only have Monsanto data to talk about here, but now, after more than a decade, the raw data and methods are available for review.

Toxic effects show up more over longer times, with more animals to look at, with higher doses of the toxins, and with more tests, to look at more specific types of acute and chronic change in physiology.

As Monsanto I want studies with shorter time frames, fewer animals fed my corn, animals fed lower doses of my corn (maybe give some of my corn to the control group, by not genetically analyzing their feed, so they are secretly more similar to the test groups), and I don’t want to do very many liver or kidney or sex hormone tests, and I don’t want to do them very often, and I want to end the whole study well before cancer has a chance to start, or “long-term-toxicity” can kick in.

Mission Accomplished!
Monsanto bought study protocols that really only had 10 rats in each group fed specific GM corn products. With 10 rats per group, you just can’t find anything but high frequency effects. They only fed a maximum of 33% GM corn to any group, and the lower dose was 11%. There were very large groups of hundreds of rats used as various sorts of controls, so the study looks better with hundreds of rats, but they were not the ones in the test-groups, so it is fluff. The lack of rigor in defining the diets of some “control group” rats left open the possibility to mix some of the study maize into their feed, while nobody was looking, and that was all the time. Nobody looked. there was no genetic analysis of the feed given to the most general control group.
This information never formally existed, but if I were a crooked researcher, I would have spiked the feed of the control groups at night with the same GM corn that I was giving the experimental groups. Monsanto knows how to get what they pay for, right?
The small groups of test-group rats at low feeding concentrations only got to participate for a maximum of 3 months, then Game Over. Long term toxic effects were specifically excluded from the short term study, but the conclusion was that the GM corn was safe in long term use for billions of humans and animals. “Science”.
Evidence of cancer was excluded by the very short term and by not looking for any cancer or tumor markers. Check!
Evidence of teratogenicity was excluded by strictly avoiding pregnancy and not even looking at any reproductive hormone levels.
The final firewall was the statistical techniques used.
How can you justify a safety conclusion on such a small dose, small cohort, short time study group, which you checked so few things on?
You just say it’s so, and hide all your records.
That worked until Monsanto lost the court cases. Monsanto just lied about the statistics.
If your design gives a 70% chance that you will fail to find major toxicity, and you don’t find it, then you just say you did a careful study, and it wasn’t there and the data is proprietary. Check!

What can the very limited raw data reveal about the few rats fed low concentrations of 3 GM corn varieties for 3 months, and tested as little as possible?
The 3 GM corn varieties are prefaced by NK, which is “Roundup Ready” and therefore contains traces of “roundup”, as well as 2 MO (Monsanto) prefaced varieties, containing the Bt toxin and a never-seen-before-in-the-living-world “novel Bt” toxin. These are pesticide toxins derived from Bacillis Thuringiensis, which makes them as part of it’s daily chores in the world.
The novel Bt is really something to look at closely, but not for Monsanto… Cows abort when eating Bt feed, we now know, but this study stays completely away from that whole realm. A lot of the suspicion rests on these inseparable pesticide contents of these GM corn varieties, but not all of the suspicion, because these are not necessarily the only “improvements”, just the obvious ones.

I will not give a blow-by-blow breakdown for each feed group, but there were sex differences and dose differences and time differences in pretty much all groups, despite efforts to ignore them by study design. There were liver and kidney effects all around, sometimes more for males, sometimes females. There were suggestions of reduced cardiac muscle mass, possibly overall muscle decrease (not looked at) in the Roundup Ready group, which could be due to eating a little Roundup. Some of the Bt rats showed some liver changes associated with diabetes, and gained weight, but liver enzyme studies which might show signs of liver inflammation were strictly avoided. there were kidney effects which raised the possibility of renal toxicity, and showed different grouped levels of toxins excreted by the kidneys. These feeds really seemed to have different effects on the kidneys, and on male and female kidneys, but tests for early kidney damage, such as protein leakage into the urine, were avoided.
Some of these groups definitely gained more weigh than others.
Why?
Sorry, beyond the scope of the study. Who cares?
Obviously, a proper statistical analysis of the expertly-constrained data reveals nothing reassuring about even short term effects of these GM corn varieties. It points to differences in metabolic effect from each variety, even with just a few rats to look at for a short time, and totally avoids looking at birth defects, intergenerational issues, different species, and even cancer and long-term toxicity.
Monsanto got what they paid for, even if they had to slide some extra loot under the table.
It is not enough to justify their GM corn existing in the world at all, let alone being fed to any other organism.
In America, you can’t legally find out if it is in your Fritos, tortillas or popcorn.
It’s illegal to tell you that.
It’s probably pretty hard for companies to even know that about the lots they buy.
Don’t ask, don’t tell…

Who is going to do the studies that need to be done, which would take over a decade to really do properly?
Nobody?
Will this stuff be taken off the market pending the proper studies, as actually required by regulators, but never done?

Here is the reanalysis of Monsanto’s raw data and techniques. It’s dense, but it isn’t bullshit.
It’s French…
http://www.biolsci.org/v05p0706.htm

Corn-Fed

September 21, 2012 at 11:22 am #5726

Nassim

The Hungarians are in a rather special geographic situation. Pretty well all their neighbouring countries have Hungarian minorities and they don’t have that “problem” themselves.

The other thing is that Hungary was the superhighway for horse-powered invasions from the East – it always has been. The Hungarians are perhaps the last to do that and settle the land. Yes, our old friend Atilla the Hun was the culprit, and he nearly took over France and Italy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atilla

In the same way that Genghis Khan is worshipped in Mongolia, Atilla is revered in Hungary. In fact, Atilla is quite a common name in Hungary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genghis_Khan

September 22, 2012 at 1:29 pm #5733

backwardsevolution

Ilargi – what a great article! The video was very well done too. Naomi Klein’s “Shock Doctrine” all over again.

Get everybody excited, employed, feeling fat. They then buy a house (of course, mortgage is in Swiss Francs). Whoops, economy goes down, Hungarian currency depreciates against the Swiss Franc, and now the people can’t pay.

IMF swoops in, provides country with a loan, infrastructure is privatized…..we’ve all heard this before.

So Orban taxed these privatizers, and he will pay for it. I feel for him too, but what can he do? Our Western media is and will continue to portray him in the worst light possible.

John Day – thanks for the Monsanto post! Great read. These guys have got to be stopped.

There’s so much going on in the world these days, you can hardly keep up with it all. Where do you start? It’s overwhelming at times.

September 23, 2012 at 6:47 am #5737

backwardsevolution

Great article on how Monsanto went into Iraq and India, how the farmers have suffered.

“The Canadian farmer argued that he had purchased no Monsanto canola seeds, had never planted Monsanto seeds, and was frankly horrified to find that the genetically modified crops had taken hold in his acreage. Perhaps, suggested Schmeiser, the plants in question were the product of a few rogue GM seeds blown from a truck passing by his land?

Monsanto was uninterested in Schmeiser’s theory on how the Roundup® Ready plants got there. As far as the company was concerned, Schmeiser was in possession of an agricultural product whose intellectual property belonged to Monsanto. And it didn’t matter much how that came to pass.

Monsanto’s interpretation of the impact of seed contamination is, of course, a good one if its goal is to eventually own the rights to the world’s seed supply. And that goal may well be in sight. In fact, a 2004 study by the Union of Concerned Scientists found that much of the U.S. seed pool is already contaminated by GM seeds. If that contamination continues unabated, eventually much of the world’s seeds could labor under patents controlled by one agribusiness or another.”

http://www.alternet.org/story/62273/why_iraqi_farmers_might_prefer_death_to_paul_bremer%27s_order_81

September 23, 2012 at 8:20 am #5738

John Day

Backwardsevolution,
Thanks for the pat on the back and thanks for noticing that Monsanto is trying to own and pimp out all that is essential to life itself.
This is one of the highest levels of abomination ever reached, and if it goes any higher it will ultimately extinguish life, becoming the final “reductio ad absurdum”.

September 23, 2012 at 9:58 am #5739

backwardsevolution

John Day – yes, between genetically modified foods, nuclear radiation (Fukushima), global warming, the central bankers who are crushing us with inflation, we are sitting ducks.

September 24, 2012 at 11:48 pm #5762

jthom88

http://jthomsworld.blogspot.ca/2012/09/the-troika-decimation-of-once-proud.html

A blog post of mine highlighting your article (and the one in regards to the IMF/Monsanto being kicked out of Hungary – if only temporarily, in the case of the IMF).

Read, comment, share and subscribe if you like it! Thanks!

November 23, 2012 at 1:21 am #6468

dusha

thanks for yr post ‘Misinformed by “Science”‘, any chance we could chat via email? Claire Robinson (of GMWatch and Earth Open Source), email claire AT gmwatch.org

November 23, 2012 at 2:45 am #6469

Nassim

dusha,

I guess you are aware of it already. However, just in case, here is a link to what is happening in France:

http://www.lefigaro.fr/sciences/2012/10/26/01008-20121026ARTFIG00658-ogm-l-etude-seralini-ne-remet-rien-en-cause.php

Please use Google translator:

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lefigaro.fr%2Fsciences%2F2012%2F10%2F26%2F01008-20121026ARTFIG00658-ogm-l-etude-seralini-ne-remet-rien-en-cause.php

I am not sure if it made it into the English-language press

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