Debt Rattle July 19 2021

 

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  • #80195
    Michael Reid
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    @madamski

    I will be your friend. What is your question?

    #80196
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @glacons: “Clotting has been a known issue with mRNA vaccines. So although ADE may indeed become a thing, right now the focus must be on the causes of today’s injuries. We should not misdirect people’s attention to potential future problems when we have enough right now.”

    Agree. ADE *may* become a thing in the future, but since the wall of denial is so thick and high, let’s stick with what’s right in front of our faces and try to weaken that wall right now using known information.

    People are suffering and dying within days of the vaxx. This needs to stop yesterday. Especially before more children are injected.

    #80197
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @john day: I had a bear of a time mowing last week, too, here in upstate NY. Took me 3x as long as usual, and I stopped a few times just to give me and the mower a break from the frustration of damp, thick, heavy grass clogging up the works and making me work way harder in hot/humid weather. (and I don’t have your lot size to mow!)

    #80198
    John Day
    Participant

    @TAE Summary: Bravo! again, Mate… I still want some of that

    Go GERM!

    “Calgon take me away…”

    #80199
    John Day
    Participant

    @Upstate NYer: We are brothers. Nobody understands.

    #80200
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @V Arnold: “A week in with record deaths (100+) and cases (10,000++) every day; it’s apparent Thailand screwed the pooch on controlling the virus…”

    Please don’t think this. Whatever the sarscov-2 is or where it came from, it’s a respiratory coronavirus and there are many in existence. No matter the level of hubris humans attain, we really do not *control* a respiratory virus. Our best bet is to protect the vulnerable, use whatever is available for prophylaxis and early treatment to avoid the worst outcomes, and carry on with life.

    Every place on this earth is going to face this virus at some point, and each place will come through the other side of it as best possible. That it’s Thailand’s turn? So turns the natural world …

    Australia and New Zealand … keep forcing it back using closed [island] borders and harsh lockdowns over a few dozen cases popping up. I can’t see where that cycle ever ends, but I’m happy to be proved wrong on this.

    #80201
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @John Day: “We are brothers.” Ain’t we though? 🙂

    I rent an apartment so currently have only a small raised bed garden. It is NOT growing well at all this year. We had 90s in May!!! (and june and july) I plant spinach, chard and beets (for multiple harvests of baby greens, no space to allow full size growth). My spinach bolted by the time it was a couple inches tall!

    The problem here in upstate is that, yes, it gets hot earlier in the spring than it used to, which sounds good … BUT we have snow and heavy frost into our late-ish spring so you can’t plant many things too early … BUT … it gets too hot when the little ones are starting to grow and they can’t handle that level of heat. Did any of that make sense? (and just one opinion, btw)

    Interesting twist in weather over the past 5-10 years.

    #80202
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    TAE Summary is phenomenal. Each includes some comments that are literally lol. Such as the latest …

    “– One should quarantine until negative; TAEers have always been negative and so never needed to quarantine”

    How can someone not chuckle at that? So appreciated. Thank you!

    #80203
    VietnamVet
    Participant

    The private/public mRNA vaccine jab campaign has reached a trust turning point. Once confidence is gone, institutions never gain it back again and collapse. For example, UK’s 100+ pandemic failings from Naked Capitalism:

    From the beginning, the response to the coronavirus pandemic has been all about propaganda and making money. Public Health ignored. Gene therapies were renamed “mRNA vaccines” and the managerial experts immediately concluded that they would act just like earlier sterilizing viral vaccines. The CDC models predicted the virus would be gone by November. Clearly that is not happening. Burying their heads in the sand, the FDA failed to require follow-up surveillance for the safety and efficacy of the jabs injected into half of all Americans. That would cost pharmaceutical corporations money. Instead, the number of cases and deaths are starting to rise again especially in highly vaccinated Israel and UK, the USA too.

    Anecdotally, common sense would indicate that the fully vaccinated should restart wearing masks in public, social distance, get out in the sun, take vitamins C & D and zinc daily, exercise, lose weight, get your blood glucose down. Help and protect each other. Survive.

    #80204
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @Vietnam Vet: “TV BASED SCHOOLS”

    May the gods help us. Like there isn’t too much TV already. Let’s add 6+ more hours a day.

    #80205

    Wasn’t VDB the one saying that we could be messing with human immunity itself? If not, I am sorry. I agree he’s earnest.

    I think Yeadon’s take is closer to what’s up. I can think of no benevolent reason to vaccinate the children. I can think of no reason to vaccinate the already exposed. I can think of no reason why so many people would expose their children to this “vaccine”.
    And yet we are coming perilously close to mandates.

    #80206
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    Sorry, gotta continue … “EVERY CHILD has a COMPUTER and INTERNET ACCESS …”

    Let’s not ruin more young people’s minds and lives than we already are, ok?

    #80207
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    @ glacons31

    “So although ADE may indeed become a thing, right now the focus must be on the causes of today’s injuries. We should not misdirect people’s attention to potential future problems when we have enough right now.”

    That’s the logic behind drill baby drill and burn baby burn. Never mind the future. Feed today.

    If Geert Van Den Bossche is right, we need to be looking ahead. If he’s wrong, objectively, he nonetheless apparently believes subjectively that he is right, and if so, the clotting things is minor in comparison. Meanwhile, the clotting is blatantly manifesting and getting ample attention. ADE isn’t.

    In a free society, one does what one feels is right if one is morally congruent. IN a free wsociety, I am instantly wary of people saying “must be ” “should not”.

    I’ll quote this: “This was graphically demonstrated by Sanofi’s vaccine where it took around 18-24 months for the ADE to show up (it was completely absent preclinically). The hypothesis is that there is some B cell maturation process that goes on and so the effect take some time. The Sanofi vaccine primed the immune system and they saw ADE on subsequent infection. The interesting part is that it does not show such effects for those who were seropositive at immunization. So a prior infection does not lead to ADE when you are immunized .”

    So the time to sound the alarm would be now. Meanwhile, the good news is that the above suggests that if you have already contracted covid, getting the clot shot is unlikely to trigger ADE. Just clots. Oh joy?

    @ John Day

    “Have you considered mixed permaculture planting of that 4/5 acres? UNless you have livestock, grass is an ecological disaster and way expensive including hard labor.

    #80208
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    @ Michael Reid

    I was waiting for Dr. D to clarify whom he spoke of in remark #80170. BUt yes, let’s be friends. I’ll go get the squirt guns; you get the pea-shooters. We’ll raise hell.

    #80209
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    ALso, it is possible to address multiple interrelated problems at once. Let Bossche fight his particular war as he sees fit. He’s certainly not denying the more direct and immediate dangers of the clotshot. The Titanic wopuld’ve benefitted from a long-range ‘berg spotter on the bow, even as it perhaps struggled with a blown steam boiler.

    #80210
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @my parents: I am struggling mightily with the *why* of this vaxx push. I know I’ll get a few pebbles tossed at me for saying this … but I still have a hard time believing this is a globally-coordinated depopulation plan because oil is running out. Maybe I still have a ways to go before my eyes are wide open. Or wide shut. (Which term is popular now?)

    At the same time … if not depop, then WHAT IS IT? There is no good reason to vaccinate children, pregnant women, or even adults up to the age of 55-65 who don’t have serious co-morbidities.

    We have never in history rolled out something like this experimental vaxx initiative with its monetary “prizes” and moral/guilt imperatives. Those are the most disturbing elements. Those are the things that batter my brain day and night.

    So. Exhausting.

    #80211
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    @ upstatenyer

    “I am struggling mightily with the *why* of this vaxx push. I know I’ll get a few pebbles tossed at me for saying this … but I still have a hard time believing this is a globally-coordinated depopulation plan because oil is running out. Maybe I still have a ways to go before my eyes are wide open. Or wide shut. (Which term is popular now?)”

    Psychosis is a possibility. Comparison: gambling addicts doubling down on bets they can’t afford because they can’t admit they screwed themselves out of their life savings.

    Self-delusion is always popular: Perhaps Bill Gates can’t admit that his so-called benevolent philanthropy is malignant self-indulgence. Or that just because all the other cool rich guys have sex with barely pubescent girls doesn’t mean it isn’t nasty evil.

    That said, singular explanations typically don’t avail in large complex systems. There are more than one pair of butterfly wings flapping us toward megastorms. There are probably rich bastards who think in terms of world domination. There are also and certainly millions of institutionalized fools who lack the courage to admit that they are not members of the Rebel Alliance but instead minions of empire. There are ample #s of folks who don’t care what it is so long as they can make gobs of money by it.

    The idea that there is ONE true explanation/motivation seems to me more the product of our desire for simply understood explanation rather than deal provisionally with emergent phenomena from a sea f chaos as such is globalization via 8 billion wacky hominids. Everyone wants in on the game, said Dr. Evil, but most of them just want a good job with benefits. sigh. It’s so hard to find truly evil help.

    Whose Turn Now?

    *hey, it’s possible, and the scene is crazy enough, and I like imagining Prince Charles as an iguana

    #80212
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @madam: while “it is possible to address multiple interrelated problems at once” … in today’s 30-second-news-soundbite world it is easier to present an argument in bite-sized chunks.

    Geert Van Den Bossche may well be right. We’ll know in a couple years or so. BUT … right here and now, we know from data that people are dying and being permanently disabled from the vaxx. Focusing on the here and now, when considering the attention span of the majority of the population, is the most effective way to penetrate the “safe and effective vaxx” narrative.

    Also, Geert has aligned himself with the “outsiders.” He muddies the outsider water when he pushes back on minor outsider elements because this gives the opposition maneuvering space for counter arguments against ALL of the outsiders.

    Is Geert right? Probably. But even us TAE people aren’t sure. If we aren’t even sure, to use the ADE argument as a way to convince those who are “all-in on the vaxx” to change their minds will be next to impossible.

    Perhaps time for a tub soak, dear madam! 😉

    #80213
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @madam: “The idea that there is ONE true explanation/motivation seems to me more the product of our desire for simply understood explanation rather than deal provisionally with emergent phenomena from a sea f chaos …”

    I won’t argue with that. I tend toward being rational/logical, which tends toward seeking AN answer.

    Perhaps there are more than one answers. Food for thought.

    #80214
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    So the office bitch who harrassed my daughter maybe 3 weeks back for not getting the clotshot, who said, “Don’t cry on my shoulder if you get sick and die” is, of course, covid-positive. I worked hard to convince daughter to resist. Vndication is sweet, says daughter.

    #80215
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    @ upstatenyer

    “Also, Geert has aligned himself with the “outsiders.” He muddies the outsider water when he pushes back on minor outsider elements because this gives the opposition maneuvering space for counter arguments against ALL of the outsiders.”

    Bossche IS an outsider. He is being true to himself. That’s what it takes to even approach this thing called democracy: being true to yourself rather than some narrative. Sorry if he doesn’t fit your Official Anti-Official Narrative Narrative. Perhaps the man will prove to be a mere quack or charlatan. Who knows? But for now, he seems earnest, and btw, far more informed about viral pandemia than you or I, so I applaud him for sticking to his guns.

    Correct me if I’m wrong here: he isn’t saying that the spike/clot issue is false, is he?

    And yes, I’m off to the sauna and the pool. Our parrot bit me. Can’t be too nice to our little Booger. Her devious little mind doesn’t seem able to handle it.

    #80216
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    Me, I’m happy to learn that the ADE thing isn’t likely to manifest for at least another year. TIme to make more nice things happen before darkness gets serious.

    Me, I’m guessing Putin knows what he’s doing pushing for major vaccination with a standard vaccine ast the risk of negative political fallout. It certainly isn’t because he wants to turn Russia into a totalitarian communist state: he’s been there. done that, didn’t like it. And it isn’t because he’s stupid. And I suspect people in Russia think thrice before lying to him about anything, but especially things that could kill millions while turning him from Most Popular President to Ivan the Terrible in the public mind. So I doubt he’s getting bad advice.

    #80217
    oxymoron
    Participant

    glacons31 – good point about focusing on what is happening now in adverse reactions. Mucho distracto for the experts to focus heavily on other areas outside this timeframe

    #80218
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    fwiw, I recall a few months back when I disapproved of how someone took on the covid narrative. For some reason I can only ascribe to muddle-headed grumpiness, I took Doc Robinson to task for his statistical approach. I had some kind of point but not enough for me to even remember it now, so it warn’t much of a point.

    I was wrong. I think I apologized before, and I’ve praised him since, but I want to acknowledge that I was being a cunt. Not because I want him to acknowledge my apology. It’s not about my silly ego. I do so because I think it’s really important to mark such blunders as such: dumbass gripey blunders.

    #80219
    oxymoron
    Participant

    Actually let the experts do what experts do – specialise in their area. It’s the broader focus and attention that is the issue. Questioning from any direction is good but not if it is deliberately obstructive.

    #80220
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @oxy: “Questioning from any direction is good but not if it is deliberately obstructive.”

    That’s what I was trying to say. Oxy did it way better. 🙂

    #80221
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    Another point to consider as we chastize renegades like VDBossche: the overwhelming problem with things covidian is that the vast bulk of experts and “experts” AGREE with each other. They walk in near lock-step. Now you criticize the renegades for not walking in lock-step together. I have yet to see a football touchdown, or a home run, or a 3-point swish shot, scored by the entiure team at once. SOmeone had to leave the main fray and make that run for it.

    Last week it was Denninger who was taken to task for being angry in the manner he apparently prefers and perhaps help pay his bills and reach a larger audience.

    Reminds me of how Jesus wasn’t good enough for the Sanhedrin. To this day, the Jews wonder Where is the Messiah? Which reminds me of an old Yiddish joke: at a Catskills resort in the 50s, two older matrons are griping about the food.

    “The food is here is lousy,” says one.

    “And such small portions!” said the other.

    #80222
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    Ten-four, madamski.
    No offense was taken.

    #80223
    sumac.carol
    Participant

    Just harvested a lovely crop of garlic (about 1200). Better half came down with gout so I did the harvest myself – he owes me one but I sure don’t envy him the gout experience. We had a decent harvest of sour cherries whichI pitted and froze – will come in handy for the gout. We only got about half the usual amount of black raspberries (25 pounds versus over 50) due to a fungal disease lurking in my soil. I undertook to increase the potassium and sulphur in the soil by chopping and dropping comfrey and prolific perennial onions growing in my orchard. This will not kill the soil-dwelling fungus – just enhance the immune response of my raspberry plants, maybe like zinc for humans!
    In my mixed plantings between the fruiting plants, it is always a chore to stay ahead of the weeds which can quickly overtake everything else – thistles abound along with wild carrot, milkweed, goldenrod and invasive like purple loose strife. I leave some of these types of plants but seriously they are so hardy that they quickly overwhelm. We also have ticks to contend with, so we keep grass alleys, cut short and mixed with clover, to reduce tick risks. As much as I love a great mix of plants, I spend significant manual effort keeping the weeds from totally dominating. From a strictly labour perspective, while mowing is work for sure, having at least some grass monoculture allows for mechanized management that we simply could not do without.

    #80224
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    @ Doc R

    “Ten-four, madamski.
    No offense was taken.”

    Well, I had little if any reason to complain. Sometimes an old broad needs to rely less on instinct and more on cold logic.

    ^&*

    @ sumac.carol

    I envy you your farm and plant/ecology knowledge.

    A little grass is fine. A lot is great if one is making hay, I suppose.

    These days, it’s virtually impossible to do significant agriculture without, um, prosthetics, because the entire ecology across the planet is wacko. One has to have very large acreage with big buffer zones to wotk with nature in the manner to which it is accustomed.

    #80225
    russellnblbs
    Participant

    If one does a study of the history of vaccines and Western medicine in general, one will quickly realise that what is going on is merely par the course. The reason for the over the top clot shot push is probably not depopulation or sterilising, although it could be, but merely to wipe out the control group. Vaccines have always been pushed as hard as possible for this reason because then any side effects can be deflected as everyone is suffering from them. There has never been serious double blind studies on the actual overall health benefit of most childhood vaccines, especially regarding autoimmune disorders like eczema and asthma because it is deemed unethical. Even the polio shot, heralded as the breakthrough child saviour, was prone to data fudging and very bad side effects, as well as a redefinition of what polio is. In Western countries, the overall chronic health of children is much worse now than it was in the sixties, and although there is probably a myriad of reasons for this, science has always refused to do serious long term study of the role of vaccines. If you jab every child, then you deflect blame. Sure the they are acutely much safer than these covid shots and have played a role in reducing the rate of childhood disease, but on a long term chronic evel it is unknown how dangerous they are. The autism thing is probably a poisoning the well deflection, whereas the insane rise in asthma, eczema and allergies deserves investigation.

    Plus it is impossible to predict the non linear results of meddling with complex systems. Like the virus itself, humans will mutate and respond to any attempt to kill or sterilise them. Their will be some who are immune to the jabs effects and may even become hyper fertile or hyper immune. It’s impossible to know so implementing a die off or sterilisation via jab is dumb, but they are dumb so who knows.

    #80226
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    Young man tells his coronapansy family he’s not getting vaxxed:

    #80227
    TAE Summary
    Participant

    * Second Wind

    * Covid and Vaxx
    – VDB sees enormous potential for death
    – mRNA fills your tank with starter fluid
    – Telecommuting increases provincialism
    – Masks have atrophied people’s phony muscle
    – Reddit/r/CovidVaccinated – NSFW(Not Suitable For Witless)
    – To the well organized mind Covid is just the next great adventure
    – Covid is about making money
    – NIH study shows fetal masks could protect the unborn from mother’s Covid
    – I will gladly risk ADE on Tuesday for a blood clot today

    * Bits and Pieces
    – Nothing is sacred
    – Stock market down – BTFD(Bet The Farm Dipshit)
    – Answers should be a simple as possible but no simpler

    * International News
    – Fires in Siberia today are clearing land for farmland tomorrow
    – Two dams burst in China
    – Thailand is the new Covid hotspot
    – Sputnik won’t cause ADE; Sputnik taunts the west a second time
    – Australia to fight Covid through mass cryogenics

    * Pfizer jabbees exhibiting diminished mental capacity if that is possible

    * Bad weather bad for leaders
    – Mowing wet grass takes longer

    * Once the trust is gone it never comes back

    * Etymology of “Expert”
    Ex=Has been
    Spurt=Drip under pressure

    * Fauci McMonkey McBean to offer trip through star-off machine for the vaccinated for only three dollars eaches

    * Things as they are : * Second Wind

    * Covid and Vaxx
    – VDB sees enormous potential for death
    – mRNA fills your tank with starter fluid
    – Telecommuting increases provincialism
    – Masks have atrophied people’s phony muscle
    – Reddit/r/CovidVaccinated – NSFW(Not Suitable For Witless)
    – To the well organized mind Covid is just the next great adventure
    – Covid is about making money
    – NIH study shows fetal masks could protect the unborn from mother’s Covid
    – I will gladly risk ADE on Tuesday for a blood clot today

    * Bits and Pieces
    – Nothing is sacred
    – Stock market down – BTFD(Bet The Farm Dipshit)
    – Answers should be a simple as possible but no simpler

    * International News
    – Fires in Siberia today are clearing land for farmland tomorrow
    – Two dams burst in China
    – Thailand is the new Covid hotspot
    – Sputnik won’t cause ADE; Sputnik taunts the west a second time
    – Australia to fight Covid through mass cryogenics

    * Pfizer jabbees exhibiting diminished mental capacity if that is possible

    * Bad weather bad for leaders
    – Mowing wet grass takes longer

    * Once the trust is gone it never comes back

    * Etymology of “Expert”
    Ex=Has been
    Spurt=Drip under pressure

    * Fauci McMonkey McBean to offer trip through star-off machine for the vaccinated for only three dollars eaches

    * Things as they are : https://youtu.be/HWZG–3BIzc?t=4737

    #80228
    Antidote
    Participant

    Interesting thread from a commenter on a ZH article:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/user/334709

    #80229
    TAE Summary
    Participant

    * Things as the are: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWZG–3BIzc&t=4764s
    Previous link didn’t work
    Also sorry for the double paste

    #80230
    oxymoron
    Participant
    #80231
    WES
    Participant

    UpstateNYer & Madamski:

    When I was in Siberia, admittedly southern Siberia, the locals started many of their plants indoors by windows. (Yes, many of the wooden houses suffered badly from the ground heaving. It was not unusual to notice on corner of the house 2 feet higher or lower than another house corner.)

    Then as spring came and the ground thawed, they started putting their early plants into cold frames. (Nobody had green houses.) These wooden cold frames had removable tops made of either glass or plastic. I noticed that they also kept buckets of water inside the old frames to ward off mild frost. If it was to be a hard frost, then they either brought many plants back inside or put blankets over the cold frame tops.

    If it was a nice sunny day, they would remove the cold frame tops to let the plants harden and not get over heated. During cool cloudy days, or windy days, the cold frame tops stayed on. As you can imagine, this required a lot of effort but these people depended on these small but very productive gardens for their food. The reality was the garden remained their entire focus through out the short summer.

    Here in Toronto, my parents started many plants indoors before transferring them to a small cold frame with a southern exposure. They also used buckets of water and blankets to protect against late spring frosts. So they faced the same problems UpstateNYer faced.

    When my Father was growing up in Saskatchewan, they started tomato plants indoors beside south facing windows, before transferring to cold frames. However the growing season in Saskatchewan is too short to grow tomatoes, so they would allow only one tomato to form on each plant. They also heavily pruned the leaves forcing the tomato plant to focus all of it’s energy on just the one fruit. Often they had to pick many tomatoes green to avoid an early fall frost. Then they would ripen the green tomatoes on the window sill.

    Up in northern Labrador some folks would put up a wind fence around their garden and try and grow southern crops like corn! The tallest corn I ever saw reached about a foot high! Of course they never succeeded in growing anything! It was just the “trying” that counted! The futile garden made for a great conversation piece with friends and neighbors!

    In northern Labrador, my parents grew 2 things in their miniature garden, green mint, and tiny radishes! Mom would make reen mint jelly. Wild daisies and pansie were the only two flowers they grew!

    #80232
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    “video unavailable”

    U cracka me op.

    &*(

    So the woman who harrassed my daughter for not being vakzinated got her case of covid from a family gathering of about 50 people.

    No, she hasn’t changed her tune about the vakz doing zip to prevent contagion. It’s all the fault, she says angrily,of one cousin who wasn’t vakzed and wouldn’t mask. Yes, she knows the vakz doesn’t stop transmission but only reduces severity of symptoms; she blames this on the delta variant… even though she knows that the vakz doesn’t prevent transmission. So, apparently, it’s because he wasn’t masked.

    She is a bright woman, this cranky bitch, but can’t allow herself to see that her circular logic is biting her in her tail. That would mean a) she is wrong, and b) her trusted authorities are lying.

    As the bodies mount, people like her will at some point realize they’ve been had. Long before that, the non-covid compliant like us will have given them what for. They will have nowhere to turn their anger but onto each other and those formerly trusted authorities.

    Heads will asplode and maybe heads will roll.

    ^&*

    @ russellnblbs

    Wonderful clear historical context. We owe you. (Don’t try and collect. 😉 )

    I tried pronouncing your e-handle: wubba wubba

    ^&*

    Weird-ass liars making fun of weird-ass liars:

    You’re a poopoo doodoo cacahead!

    Well, it beats feeding Xtians to the lions and watching gladiators maul each other, I suppose. Progress!

    #80233
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    ‘No, she hasn’t changed her tune about the vakz doing zip to prevent contagion.’

    THat;s confusing. I mean that she still denies that the vakz are at best a waste of time.

    #80234
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    ‘Yes, she knows the vakz doesn’t stop transmission but only reduces severity of symptoms; she blames this on the delta variant…’

    She blames her getting covid on the confusing concept that it’s because of the delta variant even though she KNOWS the vakz doesn’t stop transmission.

    It’s stricly a blame game based on the discomfort of her cognitive dissonance. Can’t write clear this evening.

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