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    Vincent van Gogh Pink peach trees (Souvenir de mauve) 1888   • Lockdowns the ‘Biggest Public Health Mistake We’ve Ever Made’ (NW) • Coronavirus V
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle March 10 2021]

    #70889
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Vincent van Gogh Pink peach trees (Souvenir de mauve) 1888

    Beautiful; how could one not love it?
    Reminds me of Akira Kurosawa’s Dreams; The Peach Orchid was one of 10 storeylines and a sublime trip into human behavior……

    #70890
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    The Peach Orchid AKA peach orchard
    The edit sucked…

    #70891
    Polder Dweller
    Participant

    “Immune escape” seems to be the new scary phrase across the internet.

    Virologist and epidemiologist Geert Vanden Bossche published this open letter a couple of days ago explaining that the global vaccination campaign, lockdowns and other measures are working together to produce increasingly dangerous strains of the coronavirus which are likely to devastate the population if nothing is done about this now.

    The problem is on the one hand that the current vaccines do not stop people from shedding viral material, infecting others and giving the virus the perfect opportunity to get around the body’s immune system. On the other hand, keeping people locked away in their homes is weakening their natural defenses through lack of exercise, sunlight etc, but also by preventing them from being exposed to pathogens that they can easily handle (such as the common cold) which keeps their immune systems from being in optimal form.

    The pandemic is being exacerbated by the very measures put in place to cope with it.

    #70892
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    The edit sucked…

    Actually…I sucked, SNAFU!!!!

    #70894
    John Day
    Participant

    Gonna go to the Texas Capital, get a free COVID swab, and enter, to see if I am asked to say anything.

    Aloha

    #70895
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    My dubiousness about lockdowns probably began when the effect of them made the financial economy go into the toilet so dramatically that the Fed had to essentially “socialize” the financial markets, and all those unemployment numbers just went right through the freaking roof. And it’s not that I care more about money than about people’s well-being, it’s just that people’s well-being is to a very large measure maintained by the economy being able to function in a certain way.

    I think Gail Tverberg might have been on to something in positing that the real idea behind the lockdowns was to apply the breaks to a complexity-fragile and overheated economy that was in danger of demanding more fuel than could be reliably supplied indefinitely. Only when they did this did it become apparent that the at least some broken pieces of the pre-Covid economy might not be so easily glued back into place, on account being too broken.

    #70897
    zerosum
    Participant

    Human nature
    Its too late to go back.
    Before is yesterday.
    Don’t help the virus, Help your immune system, stay healthy
    • Coronavirus Variants To Evolve, Escape Current Generation Of Vaccines (RT)
    ———
    As always ….
    Feed yourself first

    “….those who were already rich have increased that wealth exponentially, while those who were at the bottom have sunk even lower.
    policies enacted by governments around the world have resulted in giving even more billions to the super-rich while denuding the poorest.
    In past times of hardship, governments have used the welfare state as a prop to keep their populations from the edge of starvation and away from full-blown insurrection. ”
    ——–
    How to feed yourself first
    President Biden’s $1.9 trillion stimulus program will boost not just the domestic economy but the world global GDP growth will print around 5.6% this year
    Local/School/Municipal gov., around the world, need more income than what they collect from taxes.
    —–
    @ John Day
    Good Luck
    Assume that “they” know the info that you might want to reveal/put on the record.
    (don’t forget your meds)
    ——-

    #70898
    zerosum
    Participant

    Pent up demand
    No money.
    No Problem
    Its not “my” money
    Governments not changing their spending patterns.
    Nobody is changing their addictive spending patterns

    #70899
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Speaking of losing yesterday, “Huffington Post Fires 1/3rd Of Its Staff”

    So there are so many Conservative sites they have to be force-banned off every platformed, every news site is rising, every middling pundit like Shapiro is top 10, CNN and HuffPo are essentially dead. NYT cannibalized all other U.S. papers to stay alive and is still failing. Yet it’s the right that’s losing, not the Left. Uh-huh. When you have to spend 100gal/hour on both engines to fight the tide, you’ve lost. At some point you run out of energy to pointlessly throw at King Canute, someone blinks, and the waters roll over you. That’s the Tao te Ching. You go WITH the way, the tide, the river, not against it.

    You can almost hear them screaming from their lair, “This can’t be happening! It’s impossible!”

    RussiaRussiaRussia! “US Preparing Cyberattack Against Russia Over SolarWinds Hack: Report”

    Because they literally don’t know if Russia did it and suspect they probably didn’t. But that’s reality so who cares! “We make our own reality now…”

    ” Lockdowns the ‘Biggest Public Health Mistake We’ve Ever Made’ (NW)”

    They weren’t a mistake. They did exactly what they intended. Destroyed poor people, killed some, moved all their wealth to Jeff Bezos, and gave a few more months to the dying economic system. That’s like win-win-win.

    “In the US, they have protected the “non-essential” class from COVID, while exposing the essential working class to the disease.”

    Frame this in needlepoint on your wall.

    ” Coronavirus Variants To Evolve, Escape Current Generation Of Vaccines (RT)”

    Good thing we have 10 cures and the disease won’t kill you anyway. But Dr. Fauci’s on the “Prevent Vitamin D” taskforce and wants you to hide inside, and if going outside, cover every inch of skin to prevent vitamins from reaching you. Toronto says you’re required to lock your children in a closet and not speak to them. “The lockdown did exactly what they intended.”

    “Growing Covid Inequality Virus to Fuel Popular Rebellions across the World (RT)”

    I did wonder what it was going to take.

    “In 2018, Diplomats Warned of Coronavirus Experiments in a Wuhan Lab (Pol.)”

    Yes, in a lab funded by Dr. Fauci. Personally. The money has started up again under Biden. Rather than, say, use it for vitamin D research or medical care in Little Rock.

    “faster vaccine rollout critical to stronger recovery,”

    Why? You still have to wear (two) masks in your own home, and not go out. It only made a difference to Pharma profits and to Amazon.

    P.S. The OECD has been wrong about everything since the day they were born.

    “President Joe Biden spent the first months of his presidency hunkered down”

    Well that is a true statement. Will they ever let him out? “He’s committed to making a still-unscheduled address to Congress.” Three months in and he’s thinking he might, maybe, go talk to government about, you know, his job. But there is good news, the less they do the safer well all be.

    Back the real world, bond market gyrating, but in motion. Don’t know where the motion is yet. Looks like BTC new high though. Why not? We clock 1,000 a week in the DOW.

    #70900
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    The Van Gogh image insisted I post this musical offspring:

    Poulenc

    #70901
    Noirette
    Participant

    Surveillance of Covid vaccines effects, France.

    Data is hard to find, one has to get around a ‘page doesn’t exist’ thingie. Links in a 2nd post.

    * = my comment*

    From the French Public Health site. Nos. are cumulative to 5 March (or noted if different)

    *All are certainly undercounts; the report does not warn about this.*

    Total vax so far: 4,315,000

    *this is jabs and not ppl fully vaccinated, fully vaxxed maybe about 5% of the population*

    Pfizer 3,954,000 (rest: Moderna, Astra Zeneca.)

    Undesirable effects (for all) 9,174

    For just one week, last week in Feb, 29% serious, 71% not serious.

    Pfizer (leaving out Moderna and Astra Z.)

    cumul. to 25 Feb: 7,000 undesirable side effects

    *the no. is not given, I’m peering at a shoddy chart*

    22% serious
    78% not serious

    75% for women, 25% for men.

    *Vaxxed, from other stats, is 60% women and 40% men, as the group ‘working in med / health / old ppls homes etc. are predominantly F. Still .. ?*

    68% aged 16-64 —32 % aged 65 +

    *As the huge majority of ppl vaxxed have been elderly, this shows that relatively ‘younger’ ppl experience more serious side effects. All the F stats have been very reticent re. age-groups, and this info is often missing, or obfuscated somehow. For ex, in the report summarized here, no “effects” / the deaths are detailed by age.*

    Serious effects of ‘special interest’ – implying not all are listed – total on the list is 834:

    >> most frequent:

    259 “heart” (various)

    65 convulsions

    64 strokes

    49 Covid 19

    49 acute respiratory distress

    54 hemorragic disease (idk what exactly this refers to)

    37 anaphylaxis level II and III

    30 facial paralysis (Guillain-Barré is a separate category: 1)

    21 thrombosis

    16 pulmonary embolism

    217 deaths

    *this cat. appears as the last entry on the table, it is not a total, but a separate category.* (very sneaky)

    ——

    peculiarly Diabetes is on the list (9)!

    The list is incomplete because accompanying text mentions zona (shingles) while stating “most cases weren’t serious” (91 cases.) High blood pressure is also mentioned but not on the list.

    So the F official site logs 217 deaths as directly caused by the Pfizer vax. Implied as well is the Pfizer vax causes Covid-19, if only in a very few cases.

    I have never seen such a mess in F. stats. The F. are good at math, good at stats, and many of the d-bases and Gvmt. reports on all kinds of topics are well done, or OK, acceptable, and can be downloaded, checked, etc. Caveats are regularly in the prelude, introduction. E.g. employment (in all its forms), leukemia cases, prisoners, etc.

    Naturally, many damning or sensitive numbers / topics are simply not published, the control is tight.

    #70902
    Noirette
    Participant

    https://ansm.sante.fr/S-informer/Actualite/Point-de-situation-sur-la-surveillance-des-vaccins-contre-la-COVID-193

    At the top of the page, click on the FIRST “fait marquants” report to download it.

    #70903
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    @ Polder Dweller

    “…the global vaccination campaign, lockdowns and other measures are working together to produce increasingly dangerous strains of the coronavirus which are likely to devastate the population if nothing is done about this now.”

    Thanx for sharing that. I’ve been wondering the same thing the past few months. And it will hit when public trust in major institutional authority has been trashed. THere are times when the looming future seems like a disaster movie producer’s nightmare. It’s like the future’s been hoarding disasters, waiting for our arrival at the proper moment. Big surprise party.

    %^&

    @ Dr. D

    “Yet it’s the right that’s losing, not the Left.”

    But it’s neither the left nor the right who are losing or winning. This is not a game with winners, only losers. If any ideological parties are being amplified or selected for right now, it’s the libertarians and anarchists. Liberals/conservatives is SO Enlightenment Industrial Era.

    Taibbi is neither lib nor con altho he surely has roots in one or the other. Those have entirely, and I mean entirely reduced to stickers the customer can remove and place on other merchandise as they please. It’s 90% off everything, and everything must go.

    I will say that in core road/street terms, certain factions associated with conservatism, hollahboyz being a clarion example, definitely hold the upper hand regarding survival and all that when the last illusions fall. But the turfs that are blue-stickered as liberal will fast produce their urban equivalents.

    If I were young, I’d be sizing up the local big guns and making myself useful to them. One can enlist before there is an army to join.

    We will see adventure, most of us. We can be heroes, even.

    #70904
    kultsommer
    Participant

    @ John Day
    Why my posts did appear as pointing at you (duh kinda?), my inquiries are aimed to the medical community in general. After a full year of this Covid craze it is safe that it nothing but the craze? By no means that I am expecting you to go point by point in answering, this is the partial basket of questions that any sane and thinking person has in mind and, yet, we still have train of “statistics”, “recommendations”, “vaccines” as if skepticism about it is a lunacy and thrown aside. We have non medical people digging into the field that have no business in or hardly understand, just to uncover the truth, and are vocal on internet in clumsy amateurish way, while medically educated are silent, except for some voices from the other side of the globe. You (meaning entire med profession) DO UNDERSTAND that we have nobody else to ask?
    – Are we in pandemic or “pandemic”?
    – How pandemic can be declared if the PCR tests are not reliable?
    – Isn’t it already proven that masks are useless, yet we can not run daily life without?
    – Vaccines are already referred to as an experiment and without known side effects are administered forcefully on
    population and without guarantee of “anything” including maker’s responsibility.
    – I see you’re busy, and I tip a hat for that to you. Busy with what? Covid patients? If so why the facilities are overflowing
    with Covid cases (which are questionable due to PCR testing) and others are not?
    – Last but not the least, a major bomb: “Class action lawsuit” video of which was posted by me and other poster too on this blog. In that l-suit, (which BTW will have extremely hard time if any chance, but shows that some are not buying into BS) lawyer is clear that even medical practitioners will be held responsible and “I just followed the orders” will be no defense. And, yet, no peek from the meds, except for the few brave ones assisting the lawyers, and mentioned above?

    Non-medical defender on the blog who stepped out of the barn to defend you as “being busy” and not owing ME any answers, as if I was asking it for myself and not puzzled by the silence.
    During 911 I was a busy engineer, overworked by dealing with tight tolerances, responsibility for the field assessments and installation. Basically in the profession that does not go away after hours and over the week end. That did not prevent me to see through the narrative BS of that event and delighted (if that is the right word, given the gravity of the deceit) to see my skepticism confirmed by “Loose change” documentary and others to follow than cherry topped by A&E for the 911 truth movement
    Again, my apology if I stepped bit hard on you while I really meant on entire med field.

    #70905
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    @ Madamski
    Thank you for the musical idea this morning.
    Perhaps I should always read in the morning to beautiful classical piano music…it might provide some perspective and balance when I read about the insanity going on in the human sphere.

    Mondays I meet with a an older friend to make music. This past Monday I asked whether we truly needed masks indoors? My friend is now “fully vaccinated” with the Pfizer jab (his wife also), my partner and I recovered from Covid, my kids were away. Yes, we must still wear masks indoors, y’see, because his wife (not present) insists that he must because the CDC says that vaccinated folks must still wear masks.

    We respected his wishes — don’t want him “in trouble with the missus.”

    I always struggle to understand why so many fail to THINK. The CDC guidance appeared mostly based on the fact that, as far as we know, the fully vaccinated can still transmit Covid to others. So if a fully vaccinated person is around others who are not at risk from Covid or unconcerned about Covid, there is no purpose to the mask. This perspective was largely confirmed yesterday when the CDC changed their stance, and now says the fully vaccinated may unmask around those for whom Covid poses little to no risk.

    There is a purpose for the CDC, and in some situations I pay close attention to their guidelines. We live in a litigious society and when there is a fair chance that an interaction could proceed to legal issues, following CDC regulations is good for CYA.

    I’ve heard (but didn’t bother confirming) that the CDC states that natural immunity wanes after a month. Fat chance that will be fact-checked anywhere…but don’t be surprised if any narrative suggesting otherwise silently sinks to the bottom of the web.

    #70906
    island raider
    Participant

    Vaccine adverse event reporting from the US CDC website:
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.htmlOver 92 million doses of “COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through March 8, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 1,637 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records revealed no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths. CDC and FDA will continue to investigate reports of adverse events, including deaths, reported to VAERS.”

    #70907

    The issue with mRNA “therapy” was never that people might drop dead right after being injected. The issue is what these things do with/to your immune system. Short term gain vs long term effects. Same as our economic systems.

    #70908
    Susmarie108
    Participant

    Both Giant Icebergs are Heart-breakers. Add that upon the shoulders of most Americans and they will break.

    The packages from India arrived and are exactly as ordered. Now my plans are complete, including hard copies of the “recipe” (thank you John Day) for implementation.

    The Vitamin D3 (2500IU) that I take is derived from plants (lichen) and has K2 (100mcg). Use the words: purathrive Micelle Lipsomal vitamin D3 with K2 – to find. The BioZnQ is a powerhouse (Quercetin from flower buds) (anything you can get/always best from flowers). Radiant C, B12 and Turmeric (all purathrive), Purely-E, Mag-SRT, Alaskan Cod Liver Oil, enviro Beef Liver (for bio-active A and precious copper), trace mineral drops, Jigsaw Adrenal coctail, and Redmond salt. Nanosilver for protection: spraying eyes, nasal passages, mouth and throat when around people, and many other uses. This is a comprehensive list; not for everyone at this level of participation. It takes dedication to health to stay the course; I also admit to having access and resources to make this happen. Do what you can.

    #70909
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    island raider: “Vaccine adverse event reporting from the US CDC website…”

    A more comprehensive view of the data can be found at this site, using the VAERS data once it’s made public. These are the results as of 2/26/2021:

    From the 2/26/2021 release of VAERS data:
    Found 25,212 cases where Vaccine is COVID19

    Death 1,265 5.02% [of reports)
    Permanent Disability 479 1.9%
    Office Visit 3,888 15.42%
    Emergency Room 22 0.09%
    Emergency Doctor/Room 4,908 19.47%
    Hospitalized 2,742 10.88%
    Hospitalized, Prolonged 1 0%
    Recovered 9,236 36.63%
    Birth Defect 36 0.14%
    Life Threatening 886 3.51%
    Not Serious 8,946 35.48%

    (Because some cases have multiple vaccinations and symptoms, a single case can account for multiple entries in this table. This is the reason why the Total Count is greater than 25212 (the number of cases found), and the Total Percentage is greater than 100.)

    https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=CAT&EVENTS=ON&VAX=COVID19

    #70911
    Germ
    Participant

    Well, well, well ….. It’s Moderna’s SEC filing.

    On page 19 they themselves state – “Currently, mRNA is considered a gene therapy …”

    https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1682852/000119312518323562/d577473ds1.htm

    Stop calling Moderna’s and Pfizer’s jab a vaccine – ‘cos it ain’t.

    #70914
    WES
    Participant

    Are Universities re-opening this fall?

    Yesterday my daughter and I were debating whether her university in Toronto, Ontario, would be fully opened this fall or if it would remain 100% online. We concluded it is still too early to tell yet.

    B.C. has told it’s universities to “prepare” to re-open. A crack. But then there is the covid outbreak in a fully vaccinated B.C. nursing home. This brings up the issue of how effective the vaccine is in stopping covid? We don’t know. We do know people everywhere are tired of the lockdown. Lockdowns are increasingly being seen as failing.

    If you put yourself in the shoes of the CEO of a university, what faces them? Money of course. That means keeping all your present 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th year students plus getting new 1st year students. They have already mastered 100% online teaching. Then there are the huge 100 to 500 seat classrooms. Will big group gatherings still be restricted?

    My daughter says all her friends hate online learning except her. She loves it plus being able to live at home, much cheaper. Obviously her friends miss the social aspect, probably one of the biggest motivators for going to university.

    So as a university CEO, what are your options since the future is a clear as mud! You can continue 100% online learning. You could offer a combination of both online learning and open classes. You could open fully. What would be your customer’s (student’s) reactions be? Would you lose any students? Would some students just take a year off? That would hurt $.

    My guess is most students would be O.K. with going back to classrooms. My daughter however wouldn’t be so keen. The costs is one thing. The other is since we are older parents, she wouldn’t want to expose us to the higher risks. Therefore she would need to live downtown. All of her friends have young parents so this isn’t a concern. Students want their social back. Maybe parents too?

    I wonder what TAE folks think will happen to universities this fall?

    #70915
    Bill7
    Participant

    “Questioning the principle of a lockdown is not terribly helpful or smart..”

    from: https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2020/05/why-lockdowns-work/

    How did the great majority’s *not* questioning lockdowns work out in practice; and who could have *ever, ever
    known* that said lockdowns would introduce the seemingly-permanent dystopian hellscape we now live under?

    Well, a few commenters here saw that as clear as day, and over a year ago, and said so..

    yeesh.

    #70916
    Bill7
    Participant

    “And you want to argue that the problem here is lockdowns?”

    Yes, and even more strongly so, in retrospect. How’d they work out for the great majority of Humans?

    #70917
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    Questioning the principle of lockdown is indeed foolish. We know its working facets. It’s the application of said principle that wanted questioning and challenging.

    #70918
    Bill7
    Participant

    The indeterminate one is right, of course: the problem with Lockdown has only been one of Incorrect Application; and will be fixed by Rev. 7.22 at latest, when all the Proles are finally dead, Dead, DEAD..

    “Whoops, we’re sorry; who coulda knowed that would happen?”

    it’s a darksider

    #70919
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    Anything can be darksided.

    #70920
    John Day
    Participant

    @Wes, Texas universities are more open than not, and will be in-person this fall, I predict.

    #70921
    John Day
    Participant

    @All-Y’all: I spent almost 5 hours getting to the Texas Capital and waiting, to leave for clinic, and did not ever say anything there today. Dr McCullough did testify after I was at clinic seeing patients.
    I did get to walk through the UT campus twice. It is much different than 1976-1982. I never would have thought they could cram in so many more buildings, but they closed streets to make room.

    #70922
    Bill7
    Participant

    > Anything can be darksided.

    Ooh, so Sexy!

    Replace its “can be” with “has been”, for accuracy’s sake..

    #70923
    John Day
    Participant

    @Kultsommer: That’s a lot that you present, Amigo.

    We have non medical people digging into the field that have no business in or hardly understand, just to uncover the truth, and are vocal on internet in clumsy amateurish way, while medically educated are silent, except for some voices from the other side of the globe. You (meaning entire med profession) DO UNDERSTAND that we have nobody else to ask?
    – Are we in pandemic or “pandemic”?

    It all depends on the definition of “pandemic”. It does not seem to be as bad as we were led to believe a year ago, since about 85% of people with infections don’t bother to get a test.
    (My thought is that PANDEMIC is more useful for the Great Reset than “pandemic”)

    “How pandemic can be declared if the PCR tests are not reliable?”
    PCR tests run over 25 amplification cycles give more and more and more false positives. The big labs won’t say how many amplification cycles they are running before they do the test. It should be 25. It has been up to 40.
    Who Benefits?
    The rapid antigen tests are pretty reliable for detecting clinically significant viral loads, and are increasingly available.

    “– Vaccines are already referred to as an experiment and without known side effects are administered forcefully on
    population and without guarantee of “anything” including maker’s responsibility.”

    That is the perfect business model. That’s why more and more and more money and power are concentrated in vaccine manufacture. You can cram all kinds of criminal activity into that business model. That is exactly the intention.
    Follow RFK Jr, please. https://childrenshealthdefense.org/

    “why the facilities are overflowing
    with Covid cases (which are questionable due to PCR testing) and others are not?”

    Some people get very sick and die of this virus when it gets into their bloodstreams, unlike the majority of people, who stop it in the nose, via their innate immune system. All other hospitalization events follow from that. Texas has had plummeting cases since the big peak in mid January. Your region may be different. You have to research that.

    “lawyer is clear that even medical practitioners will be held responsible and “I just followed the orders” will be no defense. And, yet, no peek from the meds, except for the few brave ones assisting the lawyers, and mentioned above?”

    You can’t sue an organized criminal syndicate this big. It’s a bluff. You and I are cattle, meat on the hoof. We are not players. We are product.

    “During 911 I was a busy engineer, overworked by dealing with tight tolerances, responsibility for the field assessments and installation. Basically in the profession that does not go away after hours and over the week end. That did not prevent me to see through the narrative BS of that event and delighted (if that is the right word, given the gravity of the deceit) to see my skepticism confirmed by “Loose change” documentary and others to follow than cherry topped by A&E for the 911 truth movement”

    So sue Dick Cheney, who ran the war room against America that day while Bush Jr read My Pet Goat on camera as his alibi.
    This is the power structure. This is their game.
    That’s all my non-medical opinion.

    Doctors are run by administrators these days. Independent thought and action were mostly squeezed out of medical training , in favor of COMPLIANCE.
    It’s the same everywhere. Doctors are now almost all afraid to do anything non-compliant.
    I was always a poor student in school because I thought for myself.
    Somehow I got through the grind based upon being good at figuring things out.
    That was not typical in my class. Most people had GREAT MEMORIES for facts and protocols.
    The world you live in is not the world you were told you lived in.
    That’s the main thing, Brother.
    It’s ALL like 9/11.

    #70924
    Bill7
    Participant

    I walked twenty-seven miles to work and back today, through snow, sleet and hail (we did in fact have the latter here, last night) -uphill *both ways*. After my twenty-hour regular workday I plowed thirty-seven acres with my bare hands; pulling that mule with all my might, and the implements, too

    It’s a hard life but a good one and I am satisfied

    #70925
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Bill7
    I walked twenty-seven miles to work and back today, through snow, sleet and hail (we did in fact have the latter here, last night) -uphill *both ways*. After my twenty-hour regular workday I plowed thirty-seven acres with my bare hands; pulling that mule with all my might, and the implements, too

    I’m very uncomfortable with your above post.
    So that I do not jump to any untoward conclusions; please speak in plain English, what you mean, by what you say…thanks…

    #70927
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    @John Day: I can relate to what you’re saying about Austin. I went to school at the UW in Madison in the late eighties, and I have since visited Madison in person and through Google Streetview. The downtown/ campus area is so hyperdeveloped that it hardly seems like the Madison of my fond old memories anymore. And it isn’t just university buildings, it’s also expensive high-rise student housing. You can always pick out the new residential structures by this weird, puzzle-boxy look they have.

    About lockdowns: I was kind of on the fence about lockdowns when the pandemic started, because I had no living memory of living through any sort of pandemic either major or minor. But the longer it goes on, the more apparent it is that this approach is just too antithetical to normal human life. Not to mention the fact that we have very readily available means for treating this virus that for some reason we’re not using, and the establishment press can be counted on to do hacky hit-pieces on those means. A whole year of this, and you really have to start wondering if something else is going on here.

    #70934
    ₿oogaloo
    Participant

    John, you forgot to answer this one from koltsommer’s list:

    – Isn’t it already proven that masks are useless, yet we can not run daily life without?

    No, it is not proven that “masks are useless” — not when everyone is wearing them. Masks are one of the main reasons Asian countries have fared much, much better than Western countries. Voluntary (common sense) compliance was already 95% before the mandates, and now it is close to 100%. Densely-populated Korea has kept new cases to under 500 per day, and has had only 90,000 cases since the beginning — with a case counted as a positive PCR test. 90,000 is just another day in the USA. Isn’t it funny how the “masks are useless” crowd never talks about the data from Asia?

    By the way, thanks whoever suggested the India site to buy Ivermectin. Mine arrived today, and now I have enough for the whole neighborhood.

    #70936
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    Boogaloo: Ever since the Trumpsters decided to make masks into a cultural signifier, that pretty much guaranteed that the science would go right out the window. Here’s how that science works: When we respirate, we exhale a significant amount of moisture. That is why you “see” your breath when it’s very cold outside. In the case of an airborne respiratory virus such as Covid, there are bound to be a lot of the virus in the moisture we exhale. When everyone is wearing masks, the extent to which this moisture is sprayed into the air is dramatically curtailed. Not only that, but the mask does afford something of a barrier between one’s own nose and mouth and whatever breathed-out moisture particles are floating around in the air (though not enough to make a difference if you are indoors and the only person wearing a mask, the mask is more about protecting other people with an enhanced vulnerability to becoming infected and very sick).

    That way, the amount of virus you breathe in will be rather reduced so that it’s a lower innoculum. Because the amount of virus you are taking in is a lot less likely to overwhelm your immunological response when everyone is wearing a mask, your immune system is a lot more likely to be able to build up a defense against coronavirus. If your immune system is successful, hopefully that means if you do breathe in an excessive innoculum at some point down the road, you’ll be able to handle it without getting terribly sick.

    #70941
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Masks are clearly and provably useless and always have been. Read the gol-durned research. https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/

    (Link denied)

    #70942
    Dr. D
    Participant

    But failing that, Raul posted it just YESTERDAY, from the CDC site:
    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/pdfs/mm7010e3-H.pdf (link denied)

    Congratulations, you’re against the CDC and a Science Denier. Like everybody in medicine, everyone in media, everyone in government, so you’re in good company.

    Thankfully, everyone is illiterate and refuses to read anything, or they’d have to stop killing poor people.

    ““In the US, they have protected the “non-essential” class from COVID, while exposing the essential working class to the disease.”

    #70945
    ₿oogaloo
    Participant

    Right, Dr D, right. It must be the kimchee. Maybe that’s a better explanation for why the infection rate is 99% lower in Korea even though the population density is much higher. Not masks. Nope, it must be the kimchee. Evidently the KCDC hasn’t seen your link yet. Because we are still wearing masks. And still going about our daily business with no lockdowns.

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