Debt Rattle May 19 2025
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May 19, 2025 at 5:48 pm #188395
Topcat
ParticipantLarry Johnson reams Trump and Robert Gates a new butthole on Ukraine.
Trump has ZERO leverage on Putin.
Zero.
Trump either excepts Russian terms on Ukraine, in full, or Russia takes the whole enchilada and reduces the left over neo-nazi western most areas to smoking rubble and the US and NATO can Pound Sand and will then be officially at war with Russia.
This State of War will be in Russia’s backyard with their very short supply chain to their gigantic industrial base, with Europe barely able to effort energy for domestic consumption much less military production.
Larry says that Trump keeps saying the absolute stupidest shit that is outright lies on Ukraine.
Ukraine will be a massive loss for Trump if this continues.
May 19, 2025 at 5:48 pm #188396those darned kids
ParticipantBaltimore Fire Department mourns loss of second firefighter this week
Lt. Mark Dranbauer was pronounced dead on Friday night, following a dire medical emergency on May 12, per the Baltimore Fire Officials IAFF Local 964.
This is the second death that the Baltimore Fire Department is mourning this week. 17-year veteran, Charlie Mudra, was pronounced dead on Friday as well, due to a medical emergency during a skills training workshop.
May 19, 2025 at 6:02 pm #188397Topcat
ParticipantLarry Johnson states the obvious:
Russia can’t trust the US to keep ANY agreement
The US walked away from the Anti-ballistic Missie TreatyTrump himself walked away from the Intermediate Nuclear Forces Agreement
The Empire of Lies is agreement incapable, and that includes Trump.
Period
Bend a knee, take the loss, don’t do it again.
May 19, 2025 at 6:07 pm #188398Topcat
ParticipantMay 19, 2025 at 6:34 pm #188399Dr D Rich
ParticipantPainting Americans with a broad brush is A Okay for the (((sins))) of The Few (((2.3%ers))).
An observation….on massive industrialized-scale projective identification.
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Trump’s sanctions on ICC prosecutor Karim Khan for probing Israel’s Gaza actions are a shameless abuse of power. Freezing Khan’s accounts and killing his email show Trump’s desperate to shield war crimes, cowardly, hypocritical and a direct attack on global justice. Shame on him.
Working for (((These People))) will get you that so you better hold out for a lot of power and much more money as they function as a criminal conspiracy known as a “racket” in fact the most common one, a protection racket where many of the inside players create the problems they then pretend to solve with bribes, threats, intimidation and an enactment of Comey’s 86forty-sevening.
DrD’s “Joos”
May 19, 2025 at 8:05 pm #188400Michael Reid
ParticipantMay 19, 2025 at 9:21 pm #188401zerosum
ParticipantReport of Putin/Trump phone call
https://sputnikglobe.com/May 19, 2025 at 9:35 pm #188402zerosum
Participanthttps://tass.com/politics/1960219
Russia is ready to work with Ukraine on a memorandum on a future peace agreement that may include ceasefire issues and principles of the conflict settlement, Russian President Vladimir Putin said.
“Russia is ready and will continue to work with the Ukrainian side on a memorandum on a potential future peace treaty outlining a number of positions, such as, for instance, settlement principles, the timeframe for signing a potential peace agreement, and so on, including a potential ceasefire for a certain period in case relevant agreements are reached,” he told reporters after a phone call with US President Donald Trump.
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The telephone conversation between Russian President Vladimir Putin and his American counterpart Donald Trump lasted more than two hours and was both substantive and candid, the Russian leader said.Putin thanked Trump for supporting the resumption of direct talks between Moscow and Kiev and announced his readiness to work with Ukraine on a memorandum on a future peace treaty.
TASS has compiled the key statements made by the Russian president.
Constructive conversation
The over two-hour-long conversation “was very productive and quite candid, and, in my view, highly useful,” Putin said.He further noted that the talk was “extremely constructive and I highly appreciate it.”
During the conversation, Trump laid out his position on a potential cease-fire and truce: “First of all, I thanked the president of the United States for the US’ support in resuming direct negotiations between Russia and Ukraine on the possible conclusion of a peace agreement, on the resumption of negotiations that were broken off by the Ukrainian side, as you know, back in 2022.”
The US president told Putin that he believes Russia “stands for a peaceful settlement of the Ukrainian crisis,” adding that “we should identify the most effective path to peace.”
The resumption of contacts between the Moscow and Kiev delegations in Istanbul gives “reason to believe that we are generally on the right track.”
Russia is ready to work with Ukraine on a memorandum “addressing possible terms for a future peace agreement, including defining a number of key positions. These would cover principles for resolving the conflict, timelines for potentially signing a peace agreement, and provisions for a possible temporary ceasefire if relevant agreements are reached.”
Russia and Ukraine must find compromises that both sides can accept: “Russia’s position remains clear. The main thing for us is to eliminate the root causes of this crisis.”
Russian Presidential Spokesman Dmitry Peskov or Presidential Aide Yury Ushakov will expand on the details of the conversation with Trump later: “If something needs to be clarified, then Press Secretary Peskov and Mr. Ushakov will clarify details of our talks with President Trump on the phone later.”
Ukrainian issues and prisoner exchange – Ushakov’s statements
The third conversation with Putin since Trump’s return to the White House lasted, “to be precise, two hours and five minutes.” During the conversation, the leaders addressed each other by name.It was a frank and constructive conversation: “It is curious that it began with the fact that our president congratulated Donald Trump on the birth of his eleventh grandson, and wished, of course, the health of the newborn and Trump’s daughter.”
After that, the leaders “immediately began an in-depth discussion of the settlement of the conflict in Ukraine, including taking into account the recent direct Russian-Ukrainian talks in Istanbul.” The Ukrainian issue was discussed in great detail, “there were a lot of nuances, including quite interesting ones.”
Putin noted the positive role of Trump and his administration in bringing Kiev back to the negotiating table. The deadline and the timeframe for a possible ceasefire in Ukraine was not discussed, “although Trump, of course, emphasized his interest in reaching an agreement as soon as possible.”
The leaders also discussed another prisoner exchange between the Russian Federation and the United States: “The presidents noted that another such exchange of nine for nine people is currently being worked out.”
The presidents also discussed the state of bilateral relations, and “both spoke in favor of further normalization of these relations.” Trump “sees Russia as one of America’s most important trade and economic partners.”
Also, international issues were also discussed: “Our president positively assessed the negotiation process launched with the mediation of Oman between Washington and Tehran on the Iranian nuclear program.”
The presidents agreed to “continue dialogue on all the issues raised, including the Ukrainian issue.”
Putin and Trump believe that their future meeting “should be very well and comprehensively prepared.” There was a clear impression that “both presidents are interested in such a meeting.” But both presidents are also interested in ensuring that it “is not empty, but effective.”
Trump mentioned the draft of new sanctions against Russia being prepared by American lawmakers: “But he himself is not a supporter of sanctions, but a supporter of reaching agreements.”
The presidents agreed that they would call each other as needed: “Trump said, ‘Vladimir, you can pick up the phone at any time, and I will be happy to answer, I will be happy to talk to you.’
The ceasefire in Ukraine and the trade potential of Russia and the United States – Trump’s statements
The two-hour talk with the Russian president “went very well.”“Russia and Ukraine will immediately start negotiations toward a Ceasefire and, more importantly, an END to the War.” The terms will be discussed, “as it can only be, because they know details of a negotiation that nobody else would be aware of.”
The Vatican “as represented by the Pope, has stated that it would be very interested in hosting the negotiations.”
Moscow and Washington may conduct large-scale trade after the end of the conflict in Ukraine: “Its potential is UNLIMITED.”
Previous phone conversations
The last conversation between Putin and Trump took place on March 18. It was devoted to the Ukrainian and Middle East settlement, as well as bilateral relations. In that phone call, Putin supported Trump’s idea of a cease-fire in Ukraine with some reservations and immediately gave the order to stop attacks on energy facilities, even shooting down the shells already fired by Russia. There was no response from Ukraine.Before that, Putin and Trump spoke on February 12. They discussed the Ukrainian issue, as well as the accumulated problems in relations between Russia and the United States. The presidents agreed to continue contacts, including organizing a face-to-face meeting.
May 19, 2025 at 9:36 pm #188403aspnaz
ParticipantTopcat said
I keep hearing apologists for “the people” of Europe didn’t want the war in Ukraine.
Didn’t Merkel con the Russians in order to make time for the Ukrainians to build an army? No, she didn’t, both sides were in on it from the start, the Russians basically agreed to rid the world of the Nazi Slavs in return for a bit of Ukraine.
The people were conned into supporting the war, putting Ukraine flags on their oh-so-sad twitter accounts; not difficult to do when you look at the average person, needing social acceptance while hypnotised by authority.
The Russians got up to Kiev within a week or so, they could have taken the whole country in another few weeks, but that was not the plan, the plan was to rid Ukraine of its citizens; which is why the Ukraine army was receiving WW2 weapons, not WW3 weapons, and is why Russia withdrew in order to kill them slowly.
May 19, 2025 at 10:34 pm #188404Michael Reid
ParticipantMay 19, 2025 at 11:54 pm #188416my parents said know
ParticipantJohn Day: Do you understand what Spartacus is currently writing?
May 20, 2025 at 12:52 am #188417Dora
ParticipantI’m pretty sure old English poet John Milton never imagined a Bibi or the Israeli country or anything like them when he wrote Paradise Lost many centuries ago. But still, this bit from his famous poem does strike a modern chord.
High on a throne of royal state, which far
Outshone the wealth or Ormus and of Ind,
Or where the gorgeous East with richest hand
Showers on her kings barbaric pearl and gold,
Satan exalted sat, by merit raised
To that bad eminence; and, from despair
Thus high uplifted beyond hope, aspires
Beyond thus high, insatiate to pursue
Vain war with Heaven; and, by success untaught,
His proud imaginations thus displayed:–May 20, 2025 at 1:56 am #188418those darned kids
ParticipantWould you like any adjustments to the tone or emphasis?
yeah! please rewrite in seussian style. then i’ll get it!
“High on a Throne (A Satanic Scene!)”
(In the style of Dr. Seuss!)
Upon a THRONE, so SHINY-SPATZLED,
(More glitzy than GOLD from a GINKA-GLATZLE!)
—All pearled-up and poufed with East-y delight,
Like a KING-DUMPLING stuffed with JEWELS TOO BRIGHT—There SIT-SAT old Satan, all puffed-up and proud,
(His bad-choices-bum got him BOOTED FROM CLOUD!).
But “HO HO!” sneered he, “I’ve climbed UP so HIGH,
I’ll poke Heaven AGAIN! GIVE WAR ONE MORE TRY!”“I’ll NEVER learn LESSONS! I’ll DREAM BIGGER DREAMS!
(Like SPITING THE SKY with my SELF-ESTEEM!).”
And so, with a SNAP of his PRIDE-FIZZLED FINGERS,
He yowled out his plans… (which all ended in ZINGERS).thanks. nice job.
May 20, 2025 at 12:58 pm #188446zerosum
ParticipantCopilot.
Yes! That was part of a traditional Emirati dance called Al-Ayyala, which is performed in the United Arab Emirates (UAE) and Oman.
When Donald Trump arrived in Abu Dhabi, he was greeted by women dressed in white robes, flipping their long hair from side to side while men chanted and played drums.
This dance is recognized by UNESCO as an Intangible Cultural Heritage of Humanity and is often performed at weddings, national celebrations, and official ceremonies.
The movements symbolize pride, unity, and heritage, with men holding thin bamboo sticks representing spears or swords, reenacting a battle scene.
The hair-flipping ritual caught a lot of attention online, with many people curious about its meaning.
Some interpretations suggest it represents honor, purity of intent, and submission to a higher cause.
Quite the grand welcome, wouldn’t you say? -
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