Debt Rattle November 25 2021


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    Mister Roboto

    ‘Instead of bringing stuffing and biscuits, those settlers brought genocide and violence,’ Gyasi Ross says about the history of American Thanksgiving. ‘That genocide and violence is still on the menu.’ twitter DLkocjrdqV – MSNBC (@MSNBC) November 20, 2021

    Thanksgiving Day is a post-Civil War tradition (which these days is pretty much just “pre-Xmas”) that had the story of “the first Thanksgiving” imposed upon it. Something like that happened back in the pilgrim-days, but the account that is taught to young kids is a rather prettified and distorted one.

    Sometimes I do wonder if the white settlers would have been able to take the Americas as easily as they did if the natives hadn’t been so susceptible to the smallpox, influenza, and the bubonic plague germs that we brought over here from Eurasia. The natives were not paleolithic hunter-gatherers, they only took up that lifestyle once the plagues we brought them destroyed their neolithic agricultural civilizations.


    i think there are attempts to blame some of the excess deaths being reported on side-effects of the lockdowns – eg people not going to the doctor with what would normally have been treatable conditions

    doesn’t really make sense for all the athletes and young people tho

    Maxwell Quest


    I have no idea where this talent comes from, and how one culture could excel to such a high degree in its expression. Even now, Germany is pretty much the EU. They set the direction and policy. They are the heavyweight in the room.

    I grew up in the Detroit region, where many Germans fled after the war to work for the auto companies, where there seemed to be a machine shop on every block. Sadly, cars never did much for me. I saw them merely as a means to get from point A to B. Both my brother and I were attracted to electronics right out of the gate, and we both ended up moving west to build our careers in microelectronics. I chose electronics out of necessity; he chose it out of love. While I was out fishing with my buddies at the lake, he would be in the basement trying to get an army surplus radar system working.

    My real love was philosophy, although a natural idiot in that area. I wanted to know how life worked. I was drawn to the eastern wisdom traditions, and remember being mesmerized by shows like the original Kung Fu with David Carradine. I retired much too early from my career in order to focus primarily in this area of study. I liked the challenge of microelectronics, worked with good people, but found it sterile and meaningless. I have less money, but would not change of thing, and often feel overwhelmed with the riches I’ve been able to acquire on this path less taken.

    those darned kids

    adrian: “i think there are attempts to blame some of the excess deaths being reported on side-effects of the lockdowns – eg people not going to the doctor with what would normally have been treatable conditions”

    indeed. also, there are now very many articles such as “warning signs your baby is having a stroke” or “this man had a heart attack playing football in 2009” as if it were normal..

    Polder Dweller

    @ Maxwell, Roboto

    I know lots of Germans, in general I get on very well with them and I have several German friends and they are some of the most reliable people I know, so I don’t really want to dump on them, but I was shocked as to how one-sided these colleagues see everything.

    Polder Dweller

    Early days…

    Mister Roboto

    As thoroughly disgusted with Team Blue as I am right now, here’s a good example of why I’m pretty sure I could never be a conservative:


    AE community,

    I am trying to nail down what I thought I read on this forum way back — that kids were contracting Covid from adults at home but NOT the source for said adults— is backed by research. has this to say “ Though the studies varied in their methods, their findings were similar: infected children had as much, or more, coronavirus in their upper respiratory tracts as infected adults. And a November 2021 study conducted by Harvard researchers again confirmed that children carry live virus capable of infecting others.“

    Am I missing something? The last word is “others”. Is this vague on purpose? Does this mean adults or not?

    If you can help me out with a recent study that answers this question I would be most appreciative. It forms the core of those I have talked to who willingly offer their children’s body for the experiment, regardless of adverse effects warnings.

    those darned kids

    mr r: in our governments, there is only one flavour, and that’s cola. they say coke, they say pepsi, but it’s the same dang stuff. they bring out that nonsense as theatre, nothing more. when it’s time to give your money to billionaires, they have no trouble agreeing.

    if the dude cared anything about crime, he’d find them jobs, not worry about what stupid crap they watch.

    those darned kids

    tinfoil: tell them that “i goes against evolution for an adult to use a child to shield themselves” make them feel selfish.

    then have them watch this:

    if they won’t spend 30 seconds for their kids, they don’t deserve them.

    those darned kids

    it goes

    those darned kids
    Veracious Poet

    Yep, Eng’r. is an acquired lifestyle that is often places those responsible on a path between Charybdis and Scylla…

    My journey began as a machinist apprentice at 19 yo in a large aerospace conglomerate, which then turned into a QC apprenticeship, exponentially transitioning 2 years later up to a fully fledged journeyman presicion inspector ~ Normally a 7 year process that was accelerated by layoffs + jumping levels in the next job, which I had to learn up to immediately.

    By 23 I was sitting on material review boards & chosen to replace the chief inspector on the hydraulics/air fuel aftermarket program on a top secret spy plane that had levels of precision above & beyond normal aircraft…

    A year later I was a QE in a division of a large corp. that produced wing tanks, massive cryogenic xfer valves & nuclear control drive mechanisms.

    Pretty serious stuff for a kid, as life & death + prison awaited negligence + dealing with 1000s of people while half stoned required one hell of a poker face…

    The whole time I was also trying to jump from semi to pro musician, but when do we really get to live our dreams when escaping from a nightmare family/childhood?

    At 25 I was placed between a rock & a hard place when I was told to approve the first shipment of spares on a large contract, parts that I visually determined out-of-spec & dangerous.

    I refused & chose to anon blow-the-whistle, walking into the regional DCASMA office (located within the massive complex of my employer), where upon I xfered from one sub-division to another.

    After I received death threats from the assemblers/welders’ unions, I walked on eggshells until I was drummed out of my job…

    I then made every effort to transition to a full time music career, which was close but no cigar, but the most memorable period of my life 😉

    When I tried to restart my aerospace career, I soon discovered I was blackballed, though at that point I was dog tired of dealing with corp. tyrants & fools, I was also losing interest in participating in weapons of war…

    In a moment of serendipity I was offered the chief eng’r position in a commercial aftermarket manufacturer for large diesel powerplant sub-components ~ The owner’s son knew me from the music scene & the father who wanted to transition to .mil contract work put me in the driver’s seat.

    The learning curve was vertical, but just short of two years in the company was approved & the fun began! 😐

    Eight years later @ 35yo I quit working within that maelstrom, married the love-of-my-life, moved to Gotham & started an online legal news service (she had been a paralegal in big LA firm), evolving into a richer life in every conceivable way…

    It’s a real shame that kids today don’t have the opportunities available to them now that a kid from a broken home with only a high school diploma once did in America.

    All that was required was a conscience, decent work ethic, a willingness to learn + a respectful attitude…

    I guess the flip side is that an open society like that, full of opportunity, is also prey to sociopaths that lie, cheat, steal & murder they way into POWER.

    Power never was my thing, as I’ve always hated bullies, it’s a real shame that the We the Sheeple too often fall under the trance of mental cases ~ Listening, following & revering these sad sacks has led to this perilous time, to this day I don’t understand how they aren’t seen for the monsters they are, that’s never been my problem…

    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes!

    Doc Robinson

    Ethics of vaccine refusal, published in the BMJ Journal of Medical Ethics.

    Proponents of vaccine mandates typically claim that everyone who can be vaccinated has a moral or ethical obligation to do so for the sake of those who cannot be vaccinated, or in the interest of public health. I evaluate several previously undertheorised premises implicit to the ‘obligation to vaccinate’ type of arguments and show that the general conclusion is false: there is neither a moral obligation to vaccinate nor a sound ethical basis to mandate vaccination under any circumstances, even for hypothetical vaccines that are medically risk-free. Agent autonomy with respect to self-constitution has absolute normative priority over reduction or elimination of the associated risks to life. In practical terms, mandatory vaccination amounts to discrimination against healthy, innate biological characteristics, which goes against the established ethical norms and is also defeasible a priori.

    Doc Robinson

    Lower household transmission rates of SARS-CoV-2 from children compared to adults

    There was no significant difference in the seropositivity rate of adult index-cases compared to children and adolescents…

    The Secondary Attack Rate (SAR) of the 17 index-cases <18 years… was significantly lower compared to the 126 adult index-cases …

    There was no transmission from an index-person < 18 years to a household contact < 18 years (0/7), but 26 transmission from adult index-cases to household contacts < 18 years (26/71, SAR 0•37)…

    Households with children and adolescents were significantly less likely to be completely seropositive compared to households without children (p = 0•0188, see Table 2)…

    This supports existing evidence that children are not only less likely to develop severe disease courses but also are less susceptible and less likely to transmit SARS-CoV-2.

    Mister Roboto

    I guess the flip side is that an open society like that, full of opportunity, is also prey to sociopaths that lie, cheat, steal & murder they way into POWER.

    That’s a good point. In fact, I would be willing to go out on a limb and suppose that one of the purposes of the medieval guild system was to keep nakedly depraved people out of the professions.


    ThanksDoc Robinson for the medical ethics link.

    John Day

    Garden porn picture included. No people.

    We are in an alternate universe this month, with Jenny’s low back surgery and my firing for non-vaccination.
    I’m not starting to whine. That’s just the shock to the system, which caused the transition.
    Jenny is recovering very well, almost completely off pain medicines, except Tylenol, for a week, and I am building a smallish “dream house”, which is looking better and better on drawings. They have that appearance of reality now. All the angles look like the same real thing from different angles.
    Opportunity has been waiting, and free time presented the opportunity to get the operation done and build the house, the first phase funded by cashing-out my modest retirement, before the “money” goes POOF!
    Life takes sudden turns, and a lot of us have known that for a long time, but it’s not possible to know exactly what turn it will take, or when.
    Having multiple projects “on the drawing board”, or in-the-works, helps a person stay well applied to life.
    Today, Thanksgiving Day, Jim the extraordinary climber visited and we got the live oak manicured better than ever (hours of fun for at least part of the family).

    We are figuring things out as life unfolds, and am so grateful that Jenny is healing so well and moving more normally each day.
    We await further divine instruction as we proceed.

    David Graeber finished a book, The Dawn of Everything, a month before he died, about a year ago.
    The premise is that we did not always live and assume as we now assume we always lived and assumed.
    We CAN live in large groups without hierarchical inequity, in cities, and it has often been thus…
    David Graeber,
    ​ M​ost of human history is irreparably lost to us. Our species, Homo sapiens, has existed for at least 200,000 years, but we have next to no idea what was happening for the majority of that time. In northern Spain, for instance, at the cave of Altamira, paintings and engravings were created over a period of at least 10,000 years, between around 25,000 and 15,000 B.C. Presumably, a lot of dramatic events occurred during that period. We have no way of knowing what most of them were. This is of little consequence to most people, since most people rarely think about the broad sweep of human history anyway. They don’t have much reason to. Insofar as the question comes up at all, it’s usually when reflecting on why the world seems to be in such a mess and why human beings so often treat each other badly — the reasons for war, greed, exploitation and indifference to others’ suffering. Were we always like that, or did something, at some point, go terribly wrong?
    ​ ​One of the first people to ask this question in the modern era was the Swiss-French philosopher Jean-Jacques Rousseau, in an essay on the origins of social inequality that he submitted to a competition in 1754. Once upon a time, he wrote, we were hunter-gatherers, living in a state of childlike innocence, as equals. These bands of foragers could be egalitarian because they were isolated from one another, and their material needs were simple. According to Rousseau, it was only after the agricultural revolution and the rise of cities that this happy condition came to an end. Urban living meant the appearance of written literature, science and philosophy, but at the same time, almost everything bad in human life: patriarchy, standing armies, mass executions and annoying bureaucrats demanding that we spend much of our lives filling out forms.
    ​ ​Rousseau lost the essay competition, but the story he told went on to become a dominant narrative of human history, laying the foundations upon which contemporary “big history” writers — such as Jared Diamond, Francis Fukuyama and Yuval Noah Harari — built their accounts of how our societies evolved.​..
    ​ The history we learn in school has made us more willing to tolerate a world in which some can turn their wealth into power over others, while others are told their needs are not important and their lives have no intrinsic worth. As a result, we are more likely to believe that inequality is just an inescapable consequence of living in large, complex, urban, technologically sophisticated societies. ​
    ​ We want to offer an entirely different account of human history. We believe that much of what has been discovered in the last few decades, by archaeologists and others in kindred disciplines, cuts against the conventional wisdom propounded by modern “big history” writers. What this new evidence shows is that a surprising number of the world’s earliest cities were organized along robustly egalitarian lines. In some regions, we now know, urban populations governed themselves for centuries without any indication of the temples and palaces that would later emerge; in others, temples and palaces never emerged at all, and there is simply no evidence of a class of administrators or any other sort of ruling stratum. It would seem that the mere fact of urban life does not, necessarily, imply any particular form of political organization, and never did.

    ​More about this book, and well explained. (It might be a good Christmas present, but itis long.)​
    Everything we “know” about the rise of Man is wrong
    ​ ​For 350 years, it has been common knowledge that Man went from bands of hunter-gatherers, to pastoralists, to farming, to industry. In parallel, Man lived in families, in tribes, in villages and then in cities, as technology improved. Technology, the third parallel, took us from the stone age through the bronze age and the iron age to the industrial revolution. All neat, tidy and clearly separable. David Graeber and David Wengrow claim there is no evidence for this. In The Dawn of Everything, they show proof of an unbelievable variety of living styles, governance and intellectual activity all over the world and throughout time. It was never a straight line progression. It was never the result of technology. And possibly most stunning, the larger the population was did not also mean more restrictions, more crime, more laws, or more inequality. This is an important book.

    John Day

    ​ All risks in the economy are piled onto the whole economy, so the “best” strategy is to gobble up “risky assets”, because you will only get benefits until the whole thing crashes. “Moral Hazard”.
    ​The Fed’s Moral Hazard Monster Is About to Lay Waste to “Wealth”

    From “Space Age” to “Waste Age”…
    How will this age be remembered? After the stone age, the bronze age, the steam age and the information age, what material or innovation will most define the current era? According to a new exhibition at the Design Museum, the most ubiquitous hallmark of the Anthropocene is not a gamechanging material, nor the mastery of technology. It’s trash…
    Generating waste, the curators argue, has long been a primary engine of the economy. The history of the lightbulb is an illuminating case in point. In the 1920s, bulbs were so long-lasting that they were deemed commercially unviable. General Electric, Philips and others formed the Phoebus cartel in 1924 to standardise the life expectancy of lightbulbs at 1,000 hours – down from the previous 2,500 hours. And so the culture of planned obsolescence was born.

    [Insert a whole lot of COVID-Vaccine-Kills stories and links you have recently seen]

    Wherein it is considered that Mao really did do a lot before he got neurosyphilis, and everything that went wrong in China was not completely his fault…Thanks Charles.
    Mao reconsidered

    Mao reconsidered


    Well, one doctor friend now unemployed, and another got a religious exemption waiver for within his system that’ll last till February. Three close vaxxed friends are now Covid positive, one a very nervouse teacher who is perpetually masked. One very athletic 50 y.o. cousin has “the tingles” (his description) in his nerves since second shot.

    The shot promised to keep a person from getting Covid. Check.
    The shot promised to keep you out of the hospital if you got Covid. Check.
    The shot is safe for all.

    The athletes crashing on the field (and off) is both terrifying and gripping. By its very nature It is the kind of public event that cannot be “hidden”, nor “should” it be happening to this subset, at least in quantity.

    Here in these divided United States I am not hearing much about similar local events. Is anyone aware of aa list of college and professional athletes having cardiac emergencies this fall? I’m not, and if that’s the case with others, I’d find the lack thereof very odd. No generalizations being made, just a search for data points. Thanks

    Veracious Poet

    That’s an awesome pic of your garden John, gives the illusion that pax americana is still in play 😉

    It’s beautiful when We can manifest a localized peaceful haven, even as many are spinning into madness…

    those darned kids

    doc day: i call our era the “chemocene”.



    I suspect US big tech have now clamped down on reporting “Sudden deaths”. Over in Europe with so many different countries and languages, big US tech may not be nearly as successful.


    Holy hell, the ramp on the cases associated with the new variant in S. Africa is not normal. Couldn’t possibly have anything to with the recently launched oral vaccine trial.


    Narcissistic types pick up emotion and bonding as gimmicks, and then try to manipulate others with pavlovian triggers.
    They need data. They now believe they have enough data to control all those others whose souls they cannot see. They cannot prevail- they cannot empathize.
    I hope.

    those darned kids

    well done, chooch

    Just Some Randomer

    People are starting to notice the fact that professional sportspeople are dropping like flies. Even the mainstream broadsheet newspapers in the UK are beginning to stick their heads above the parapet. Of course the authorities always have a bunch of friendly ‘Experts’ on quickdial that they can call in to dismiss any concerns as simply unsubstantiated speculation.

    “Leading scientists have rejected speculation that the Covid vaccine is linked with recent on-field collapses of three footballers, as sporting pundits came under attack for fuelling hesitancy of the jab.

    Wigan striker Charlie Wyke was admitted to hospital on Thursday after a week which had already seen John Fleck, of Sheffield United, and Sheriff Tiraspol’s Adama Traore fall suddenly ill.

    However, public health experts and epidemiologists expressed concern at knee-jerk responses from former players who suggested there may be a link with the vaccine.

    TalkSport, for example, had to cut off Trevor Sinclair, 48, from a broadcast as he questioned whether Fleck, who collapsed during his side’s win over Reading, had recently had the jab. “I think everyone wants to know if he [Fleck] has had the Covid vaccine,” he said.”

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