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    Paul Cézanne Les (Grandes) Baigneuses 1905   Two and a half weeks after the inauguration, and yes it’s only been that long, the media still don’t
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    #32566
    hobbesatemybaby
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    I’m not following the logic. He’s vile and absurd so let’s not give him attention; let’s give the underlying systems attention? Ok; but he’s a personification of a rather vague system (corporatocracy) that’s much easier to comprehend. It’s tough for the masses to shout about global capitalism and its failings (clearly) but Trump is tangible and wholly representative of these generational, multi-national lapses in judgement. Let the people point to him, to draw attention to the system. He’s an accessible entry point, and i’m ok with that.

    We do, however, need to rethink our protest movement and get more creative in terms of expressing our anger.

    #32567
    Ken Barrows
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    Don’t rely on rich people to say what’s good for society. Their personal interests get in the way of sound judgment.

    #32568

    I actually differ on the comments about the press, instead suggesting they have done a better job of holding him to the fire of truth after the innaugeration than before. What I cannot understand is how anyone, the press included, expected Trump to be a different more serious person after taking the oath. What was there in his behavior to suggested he would be any different? He’s a dangerous person because he’s willing to make up any information he deems necessary to hold up that firewall that supports his narcissistic state of mind. Fake numbers, fake assertions, fake ideas all point to a person with mental illness. If he doesn’t get the US into a major war with a super power it will just be dumb luck.

    #32569
    V. Arnold
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    Well spoke Ilargi; spot on.
    I no longer read any U.S. MSM, BBC, Aljazeera, etc..
    Amy Goodman at Democracy Now reported a news item re: Syria hanging 13,000 Syrian’s with no mention it may not be true. As the worm turns, it is probably false; still waiting for confirmation one way or the other.
    My bottom line is; question “everything” and with hold judgement until cross checked.
    The U.S. and British press have already proven they are liars and purveyors of government propaganda.

    #32570
    Joe Clarkson
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    The conventional wisdom is that Trump is a reflection of economic malaise. For those, like me, who fully expect the global market economy to collapse sooner rather than later, Trump might just be a harbinger of the collapse to come.

    But then again, he might just be a symptom of the racism and sexism of a vast swath of white America. For some reason, I would prefer that he be a sign of economic stress rather than just a symptom of the moral failings at the heart of American society.

    Either way, Trump’s ascension is an ominous omen. My strategy, even though I am a US citizen, is to stay as far away from his influence as possible and prepare for collapse. It’s a strategy that can’t hurt no matter what happens.

    #32571
    Nassim
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    “Paul Cézanne Les (Grandes) Baigneuses 1905”

    Well, well. That painting certainly brings back the memories. I was around 19 at the time and awfully frustrated. No girlfriend. I had a pint and told myself no going home until I picked up a bird.

    I wandered into London’s National gallery and spotted a stunningly pretty girl – tall, slim with dark hair. She was alone. She gave me the eye and we each circled the large room in opposite directions. I was desperately trying to think of what to say, but could not. We met in front of this painting and both stared at it for a while. Suddenly, I said “it looks like quite an orgy” – I don’t know how these words jumped out of my mouth. She smiled and agreed. We got on splendidly after that. She was 24. She turned out to be a stewardess on Qantas – they were called hostesses at that time. They flew VC-10’s and the competition was fierce as there was only one girl on the plane – the others were males. She was staying at the Mayfair Hotel – they put them up in a crap hotel at the airport these days.

    When I picked her up in the evening, she was wearing a fur jacket and full evening dress – and I was in denims and a floral shirt. Oh the shame. I won’t say any more. I still remember her name. 🙂

    #32572
    Nassim
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    Here in Australia, we have our government’s “chief scientific advisor” comparing Trump to Stalin. He does not continue by comparing Obama with Lenin. All in the interests of “science” of course.

    Donald Trump reminiscent of Stalin says chief scientist Alan Finkel as science ‘literally under attack’

    This is really quite funny. They have been destroying the careers of anyone who did not promote their agenda – and they had billions of dollars behind them. This nonsense has gone on for 25 years. I am so glad to see it finally being revealed for the gigantic fraud which it was all along. 🙂

    Even more on the David Rose bombshell article: How NOAA Software Spins the AGW Game

    I mean, they fudge the data about price inflation, unemployment, GDP. They manipulate the prices of shares, bonds, gold, silver and currencies. Why should they have any respect for climate data?

    #32582
    rapier
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    Because I, and probably many here, come with political ideas that might best be summarized as Liberal it’s understandable that we don’t quite get where IM is coming from here. My sentiments will always be ‘Liberal’ because these sorts of things become second nature. Pretty long ago however I recognized that the dominant ‘Liberal’ cultures of the US, the Anglo speaking world and the EU part of Europe are totally contingent upon, as Pepe Escobar just put it “the West’s hegemonic narrative of the past 250 years”.

    Here is the full quote and then the link to the whole article.

    “It’s impossible to summarize all the rhizomatic (hat tip to Deleuze-Guattari) intellectual crossfire deployed by Age of Anger. What’s clear is that to understand the current global civil war, archeological reinterpretation of the West’s hegemonic narrative of the past 250 years is essential. Otherwise we will be condemned, like puny Sisyphean specks, to endure not only the recurrent nightmare of history but also its recurrent blowback”

    https://www.opednews.com/articles/3/Age-of-Anger-by-Pepe-Escobar-Anger_History_Literature_Politics-170207-282.html

    Closer to to the Automatic Earth’s core idea that hegemonic narrative includes the absolute belief in economic growth. Without growth most everything we think of as liberal culture isn’t going to persist. Well that’s my opinion. I understand The Donald’s project as keeping the hope of growth alive, for a select fewer. That isn’t going to happen either and in a way right now seems worse only because it is selective. If that makes any sense.

    #32598
    V. Arnold
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    @ rapier

    Thanks for the link to Escobar; dynamite article, great read.
    Pepe, as usual, is spot on in his analysis, IMO.
    Confirms my own bias past, present, and future…

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