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    Salvador Dalí The oecumenial council 1960   Trying to figure out what on earth is happening in the Middle East appears to have gotten a lot harde
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    #36920
    zerosum
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    #36921
    Dr. D
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    I’m the worst at this, and as you say it’s all hidden, unconfirmed, double-crossing, in motion, BUT:

    It seems to me we have the U.S./Israel/Saudi axis in trouble since they lost their blood and treasure trying to own the pipeline through Syria. S.A. then attempted to shore up their nearly-depleted reserves by exploring Yemen, whose hillbillies (compliment intended) gave them a tanning they’ve never before experienced, even with a trickling of Iran/Russian weapons facing multi-billions of U.K./U.S. weapons, even with the abundant use of Geneva-prohibited war crimes material.

    So what’s a –probably dead– King to do? MBS is almost certainly the smartest, and one of the youngest princes, so with the decay of the CIA-Saudi-Bandar Bush nexus, MBS finds it not too difficult to reach the fore. However, he is both progressive, apparently peaceful at least in a relative sense, and is half-Syrian through his mother. So the CIA was agitating hard to have him sidelined for a more favored son. …Not that the U.S. would interfere in elections or internal politics, perish the thought! Because I hear that would be an act of war.

    However, nothing doing, as their guy is lousy and stinks and no one likes him. And no one likes us. And we have no money and no army left in MENA. MBS on deck.

    So, having lost in Syria, Israel suddenly realizes they have a fully mobilized million-man army on their borders, headed by Hezbollah, and DJT doesn’t look to follow the plan of invading everyone, everywhere, at every cost, including Iran. So they fallback to containing Shia, and getting their neighbors to fight, by arranging a Saudi-based war in Lebanon, and chew up a bunch of Hezbollah soldiers in the process. You could see this winding up.

    However, it appears somebody unnamed put them on the game, told MBS we’d be on board if he cleaned house, and leaked a worldwide Israeli cable confirming it. 12h later, the Saudi PM of Lebanon (can you do that?) and all the CIA-Saudis are camping on the floor of the Carlton-Ritz Hotel. No coup, no Lebanon-Iranian war, and the pipeline going through on behalf of the rightful nations. –Oh and just solved their budget problem too. It’s not like the Saudi princes WEREN’T corrupt.

    Back at the ranch, MBS is progressive, Saudi is going to modernize, stop exporting violent Wahhabism, get their refining, water, tourism, and other employment-businesses going, and open up to China and Iran for the investment money. Ending the petro-dollar and forcing the U.S. to openly compete. Trump is helpfully under China’s wing and out of the way the day this happens.

    So does this make sense? S.A. is going to forcefully modernize and make nice-nice with the world whether they like to or not? China (and Russia) as their real power, and the real controlling force in the new middle east is going to make Shia and Sunni knock it off, and leave Israel out in the cold? Pepe and Taleb should know better than I do, but I find that older people are locked into outdated paradigms about the innate evil of Iran, and the innate power of Arabia, where the U.S. dictates and China owns nothing at all. None of those things are true anymore, and it doesn’t pay to be blinded by the past in an over-persistence of vision.

    #36922
    Hotrod
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    Massive, systemic corruption. Why should Saudi Arabia be any different?

    #36925
    Nassim
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    “If there’s one thing you can say about the Middle East/North Africa it’s that the US succeeded in creating chaos there to such an extent that it has zero control left over any of it. Well played?!”

    Entirely correct. The intention was to destroy the Middle East. Afterwards, it would have been easy to get at the oil and gas from the various competing weakened entities on the ground. Additionally, that is how the “Greater Israel” plan was supposed to work. The Russians, Iranians and Hezbollah have made a hash of these plans. Israel is really – for the first time – facing an existential threat. Sooner or later, they will have to treat the Palestinians as human beings. In Lebanon, they were forced to deal with Hezbollah to be allowed to withdraw their army.

    BTW, you forgot to put France and the UK among the countries that had troops on the ground creating mayhem in Syria. Also, the 80+ nationalities of the mercenary prisoners the Syrians have captured. Sorry, I forgot, the MSM is still calling it the “Syrian civil war”

    The lying Zionist Wikipedia skips over all of that – e.g. “217 foreign soldiers have been killed during the conflict, mostly in the border areas with Syria.”

    “Syrian Civil War”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Civil_War

    Hundreds of Israeli, British, French and American servicemen have been killed – largely through Russian bombing of ISIS and El Qaeda bases. The Russian have published photos of US bases in ISIS-controlled territories. The reason the US cannot put “boots of the ground” officially is that these bases would be destroyed immediately in any such situation. The Russian are probably having a hard time restraining the Iranians.

    Russia Presents Satellite Proof of US Troops Collaborating with ISIS in Syria

    Video with subtitles

    The MSM is just so much trash.

    #36926
    Nassim
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    Here is how the French supported ISIS – and how Sarkozy bought the French presidential election of

    “The quantity of cement that Lafarge produced at Jalabiyeh and sent back to the jihadists is equal to what the German Reich used to build the Seigfried line. There are these bunkers that the Russian Air Force’s Army has come to destroy with penetrating bombs.”

    “A closer look at the Sarkozy and Lafarge cases – by Serge Marchand”

    #36927
    Nassim
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    Sorry. Here is the link.

    “If the press is no longer interested in the expanded Middle East after the fall of Raqqa, which it wrongly interprets as the defeat of jihadism, French judges are now working on two cases that have come from the East: one is Libya’s alleged funding of Nicolas Sarkozy’s electoral campaign and the other is Lafarge’s alleged purchase of oil from Daesh. In both cases, the investigations have still not addressed the crux of these matters.”

    A closer look at the Sarkozy and Lafarge cases

    #36928
    Nassim
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    It looks like yet another “ally” of Israel and the USA has seen the writing on the wall and is switching sides. This whole situation is developing so fast that the guys who pull the strings in Tel Aviv must be having ulcers. How do they present these massive strategic failures as successes to their own people is beyond me.

    Russia, Iran, Azerbaijan: Emerging Alliance

    What this article does not mention is that the Iranian leader is actually Azari. He is Turkic and can speak his mother tongue with the leader of Azerbainjan. What is today Azerbaijan has been contested by Iran and Russia for centuries. Nice to see them all friends now. 🙂

    “Map showing the geographic, political (partial), and cultural reach of Persia (Iran) and the Iranic peoples corresponding to the modern-day Greater Iran” (Wikipedia)

    #36929
    Nassim
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    Sorry. Here is the map

    #36930
    Nassim
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    The idea that Saudi Arabia is going to suddenly “modernise” is sheer baloney. I mean, the only people doing productive work in that country are the foreigners. Every Saudi male wants to be a civil servant – and to show up at his office when he feels like meeting his friends. The nonsense about women being allowed to drive is just the western media chiming in with the message that the owners want us to believe.

    Mohammed bin Salman can imprison as many religious scholars and suchlike as he likes but that will not suddenly transform the people and increase their mental capital. It is not even wishful thinking. It is a plot to keep the ball rolling for a little longer.

    The Saudi royal family knows very well that Saudi Arabia will be in big trouble as soon as the oil slows down. I believe that their main reason for trying to take over Syria was because Syria is a country that has been around for thousands of years. It has water. The Americans probably promised it to them – just the British promised Palestine to the Jews. BTW, a whole string of British politicians were in debt to Jewish bankers around that time and even before. The father of Winston Churchill owed them some £9m in today’s money when he died. Balfour (of the Balfour Declaration) was in debt to them as was the previous prime minister who was his uncle. You can bet your bottom dollar that Tony Blair did not get rich by investing in Bitcoin early on.

    The British helped Ibn Saud take over and unite “Saudi Arabia”. As consolation, they made one of the ex-rulers king of Iraq and another king of Transjordan. The former was killed in a CIA-coup. A descendant of the latter still rules in Jordan. The British, French and American secret services are always ready to stab one another in the back when it is convenient to do so. Something similar happened in Iran. The British put in as Shah a Cossack who was embassy-guard. Later, when he got too stroppy, they exiled him to the same place as Napoleon was exiled to. Later still, the Americans installed his son. Khomeini was backed by the French and the British who hoped to displace the Americans for the contracts. The British got him to be allied to the Communists of Iran. The Communists came out of hiding and he had them killed. Later on, he double-crossed the British and French and dispensed with their services. There is a reason for all the hatred directed against Iran by its ex-controllers. 🙂

    “Khomeini arriving in Tehran on a flight from Paris”

    #36941
    Dr. D
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    Well, that is the problem. If that’s even what’s happening, MBS has his work cut out for him.

    So he’s making a play with China-Russia, who will force Iran on him, against the CIA/Bandar/Saudi nexus, against 70 years of radical, hard-core religious leaders, against his own half-brothers and other agitators who’ve been imbedded their whole lives and aren’t nobody in terms of counter-attacks. Modernizing and *gasp* working, is not going to be popular, at least a 50-50 proposition. At the very least, you have to expect Saudi will be heavily weakened and focused internally for quite some time, something Iran and the Shia axis is able to take full advantage of. But them’s the breaks. Maybe they shouldn’t have funded a bloodthirsty regional war in a play for world domination, should they?

    #36948
    Golden Oxen
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    It is just impossible for me to believe that the Saudi’s lose money on every barrel of oil they produce.

    Stopped reading the article after that was presented. Fake News thought overtook my interest.

    #36949
    Nassim
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    “It is just impossible for me to believe that the Saudi’s lose money on every barrel of oil they produce.”

    When I worked at the IT department (Financial Applications) in 1980, the oil cost them 65 cents per barrel. I would guess it costs them $15 today.

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