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    Steve Schapiro Muhammad Ali, Monopoly, Louisville, KY 1963   It’s funny how things go sometimes, how times roll -not just the good ones-. I said
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    #56536
    zerosum
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    Steps

    1. go to school and learn what to do

    https://training.fema.gov/hiedu/collegelist/othercountries/
    Emergency and Disaster Management Programs

    2. Get a job

    3. Make a plan

    4. Delegate

    #56537
    Dr D Rich
    Participant

    The Navy fired him.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/pentagon-fires-navy-captain-who-spoke-out-about-response-outbreak-aboard-aircraft

    But they socially promoted Dave Tam, now CEO Beebe Health Delaware. Decisions have consequences.

    #56539
    upstateNYer
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    Thank you, Raul. Very observant and succinct. You’re correct. Stay at home is all our “leaders” can say/do at this point, having reached the point of failure on any other front. Here in NY it hits very close to home now. Commenters who think we should just let this thing frolic about and run its course are really not considering the ramifications of thousands of people dying at home and laying there rotting until something can be done about it. (ps … anyone who believes China’s fatalities at this point needs to stop smoking whatever it is they’re smoking. Or maybe I need to start smoking whatever it is they’re smoking)

    Anyhow, keep up the good work. Stay well. Thank you.

    #56540

    That’s a whole lot of words just to say that if it looks like a psychopath, and it walks like a psychopath, and most importantly, if it talks like a psychopath, then it is most likely a psychopath.

    #56541
    regionswork
    Participant

    Leadership does not require original ideas. Those are untested, so they shouldn’t be used widely until there’s some record. Plenty of knowledge existed to respond to the early warnings, including the original intelligence that China was lying about its numbers. Disruption for its own sake is contrary to long term community stability, the goal of community motive.

    #56542
    ₿oogaloo
    Participant

    I have to confess . . . . I have a dark side, and the black angel perched over my left shoulder is whispering things in my ear that speak to the dark side, the part of me that wants to see the world burn. I see the curves starting to flatten. I see the daily numbers in Italy and Spain start to go down, and part of me feels . . . disappointment. Rising numbers are so much more exciting. The US promised to be a sh*t show, and it didn’t disappoint in the beginning, but now things are starting to change, the logarithmic charts are starting to flatten and it . . . disappoints. I was expecting, if not hoping for, something far worse. So I read criticisms of the recent policy response, arguments that the authorities have overreacted, arguments that they are destroying the economy and ignoring the socio-economic repercussions, and my dark side is divided. One one hand, I would love to see a major country say “to hell with flattening the curve, this is all an overblown hoax, we are over-counting fatalities and under-counting the number of infections, we will stay open for business” — and watch the consequences of that experiment play out. Let Bolsonaro get what he wants. Let everyone out of their houses, pretend like everything is back to normal, and just watch what happens! The more body bags, the better. On the other hand, the ongoing economic destruction also feeds my dark side. I want the Fed to fail. I want to see the elites crushed. Right now I see elites worried about the consequences of angry, hungry people in the streets, and that fantasy also plays out in my mind. These elites decry the destruction of the economy, but how many of them will self-sacrificially step aside when they get sick and there is a shortage of ventilators? Somehow I imagine Elon Musk pushing to the front of the line saying “Me first, me first. I can pay!” and I am really, really curious to see how scenario that plays out.

    Back to reality, of course this is not what I want. I do not want people to suffer, especially people I know and love. I know doctors on the front line in the US, and I worry about them. Yes, there are many wrongs in the world, including a corrupt financial system that deserves to fail, a corrupt health care system that should be dismantled and rebuilt. And maybe this crisis will be the catalyst that speeds our passage through this fourth turning. I would like to get through this as soon as possible. I am optimistic that life will be better, though probably a lot different, once we get to the other side. I hope to live through this so that I will see it with my own eyes.

    #56543
    sumac.carol
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    On asymmetry: is the impact of locking up dysfunctional families, with all the violence and addiction, less than letting them out? Is forcing individuals who live alone, and may be susceptible to mental illness due to loneliness, less than letting them go out? Is the possibility of these extreme behavior control measures being taken advantage of by our elites less than letting people make adult responsible decisions? I have to say I am just not sure, but these are the costs on the other side. I guess we will all see.

    #56544
    Maxwell Quest
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    Ali, just seeing his picture inspires me, knowing that, here and there, great people are placed among us to lift us out of our own slavery.

    I see that Boogaloo and I are on a similar wavelength.

    I’m not sure how much will be required for the pyramid’s cap (monied interests) to relinquish even a little control of their dominion. Speaking from personal experience, a swift two-by-four between the eyes was often needed to affect a needed course correction. Let’s hope this pandemic will be the impetus for some long-overdo national course corrections.

    #56545
    VietnamVet
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    I was around for the 1970s oil crashes and going off the gold standard. The gasoline lines abbreviated both Richard Nixon and Jimmy Carter Presidencies. Today is horrific. It is a combination of the Spanish Flu Pandemic and the Great Depression. It guarantees that the next President will not be Joe Biden or Donald Trump. Why? In response to the 1970’s, the Oligarchs seized control of the Western Empire and throughout installed compliant second-rate incompetents to oversee government. Cost cutting, profits and markets ruled. The sentient billionaires must realize their wealth is at risk. One of them will try to be the savior. For sure it will not be Donald J Trump or Elon Musk. Neither is competent enough to be emperor. Donald fired the USS Theodore Roosevelt Captain who tried to save his crew from coronavirus illness. Elon donated thousands of useless CPAPs with the Telsa logo slapped on the boxes to hospitals not ventilators. There may not be enough time left to prevent unrest and restore democracy and to provide jobs, food, medical care and shelter for all. If chaos prevails, North America and Europe will devolve into a patchwork of nuclear armed military autocracies, feudal estates and mostly No Man’s Land in-between.

    #56546

    Beautifully written, Ilargi.
    Sadly, in the end, Tarrou- who “gets” it- dies. (Camus)
    So much for sainthood.

    #56547
    WES
    Participant

    It is a rare government that is ever prepared for the future.

    There are always people that are aware of the future and try to warn everybody. Naturally, nobody listens!

    Somehow people manage to muddle through just about everything thrown at them, even if it isn’t pretty.

    The US and Canada will somehow get through this but there will be casualties along the way.

    The little people will as usual pay the price, not the rich.

    Raul’s little managers will see to that!

    #56548
    sumac.carol
    Participant

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/could-covid-19-response-be-more-deadly-virus

    This article highlights the flip side of the covid response.

    #56578
    ₿oogaloo
    Participant

    sumac.carol,

    Which do you think is better for the long run:

    Scenario A: Send people back to work to preserve the system, a system that works extremely well for the 0.01% (and fairly well for the top 10%, but offers only servitude for everyone else, especially those under age 30), a system that forces almost everyone to put their lives at risk just for the opportunity to compete for the crumbs, a system that distracts with so many anxieties that they never have the opportunity to contemplate real change.

    Scenario B: Order people to stay at home, preserve their health, and contemplate for hours on end how they are getting screwed by the current economic system, and how the world would be a much better place if we collectively let this hyper-financialized corrupt system collapse under its own weight. No, waiting this out is not “economic suicide” — except for those who will be caught with their pants down in an over-leveraged, hyper-financialized economy. Let everyone in quarantine order all the remaining pitchforks for sale on Amazon, along with all the available stocks of toilet paper, as they contemplate how to become an active part of moving this civilization into the next phase of history.

    #56580
    zerosum
    Participant

    Kevin Ryan
    Boogaloo

    Who is listening?

    Could the Covid19 Response be More Deadly than the Virus?


    Could the Covid19 Response be More Deadly than the Virus?
    The economic, social and public health consequences of these measures could claim millions of victims
    Kevin Ryan
    Apr 1, 2020

    The initial, alarming estimates of deaths from the virus COVID-19 were that as many as 2.2 million people would die in the United States. This number is comparable to the annual US death rate of around 3 million. Fortunately, correction of some simple errors in overestimation has begun to dramatically reduce the virus mortality claims.

    The most recent estimate from “the leading US authority on the COVID-19 pandemic” suggests that the US may see between 100,000 and 200,000 deaths from COVID-19, with the final tally likely to be somewhere in the middle.”
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    ” how to become an active part of moving this civilization into the next phase of history.”

    I’m still contemplating

    #56581
    Dr. D
    Participant

    I’m sorry, where is the Federal legal mandate to control medicine and the economy? I don’t seem to find it in the documents or the Amendments. So now when they don’t do what they don’t have mandate for, they’re not doing what they are required to do, which is not to do it.

    Don’t know why I bother. It’s not their job. It’s YOUR job. Clearly you misunderstand what the nation was about. You ain’t no baby. They ain’t your daddy. It’s up to you and the nation can’t be better than the aggregate of the people.

    “they all chose to ignore the WHO warning”

    They did not. The WHO did not issue a warning. They also still today are defending China and are not recommending masks. Because at every step they have been anti-science and are anti-science still. Our administration stood out ahead and bucked the WHO, the CDC, and everyone on earth by stopping flights AGAINST the lack of warning that still persists today. But you’re right that all organizations exist to pass the buck and prevent blame from responding to the status quo.

    The managers are decisively NOT better at reaction than preparation, already proven. They will grab power and kill multiples people than if they’d done nothing, like the tin pot Hitlers they’ve been since before I was born. There was never a time or event I can remember this did not happen, and it won’t happen now either.

    I would say luckily that statistically it’s not dangerous, but when these guys are running it, it IS dangerous. Not that anyone will die, since the death rate is very low, we have at least two cures, and if you get a ventilator you won’t live anyway, but because they will turn the planet into a Stalinist nightmare that will kill 100 million a year for all eternity, while you demand it and cheer it on. So if you want a new Assange every hour for 1,000 years, go ahead.

    In the meantime, they can kill 10-50x more people economically, with the shutdown, but so long as they’re starved and stabbed instead of dying on vents that don’t help them, it’s all great!

    Yes, absolutely the Roosevelt should abandon their post for a disease that has a 98% survival rate. Soldiers are never in danger or killed, and there’s always something new to surrender.

    Why bother? If you don’t know where the real danger is by now, nothing will help you.

    #56582
    sumac.carol
    Participant

    Boogaloo you suggest scenario B as benign with no health repercussions. If you believe this you have not been watching enough Jerry Springer.
    I am no fan of the current system but the folks in my neck of the woods that are getting thrown out first are the small businesses.
    Question: how long should the world shut down? Note places that shut down in Asia opened and are now shutting down again. My position is that shutting down the world for this virus is simply not feasible– people who survive the virus will die from despair.
    I am not against sick people being isolated, but this mass quarantine causes as many social problems as the health problems it is supposed to solve.

    #56596
    Tree Frog
    Participant

    Ali vs Obama.

    Mesnch vs Putz.

    #76541
    Magnoliya
    Participant

    The truth is that absolutely all the leaders are now in a new world, not just the heads of state. Managers of enterprises, both small and large, should take all measures to support the companies after the quarantine. Some workers were transferred to part-time jobs at our work, but I heard that people were fired in other firms. Our company switched to care management software for optimization, and it became more convenient for me to work. During such crisis situations, you can immediately see which professions people need more and whose services the demand is growing, and whose services are falling.

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