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My Parents Said Know at 114128
Due respect for reply, You pointed out the date a meme is attached, a meme in support of legal ignorance mostly but useful in spreading economic ignorance as well. I would suggest finding Sir Henry Sumner Maine’s “Ancient Law“ to begin informing yourself of the origins of Roman Law, the development of legal fictions, as well as the creation of corporate law; all from the origins of Western jurisprudence to current times. My point was, from memory of reading the decision that corporations from their very nature were no different than a person, that the meme was useless, and allowed ignorance to spread. Your use of that information was just a cut and paste amplifying ignorance. I shall not respond further to the extraneous blather. Be well.
My Parents Said Know at 114067
Southern Pacific Railroad Company was decided on May 10, 1886, by the U.S. Supreme Court. The case established, via a headnote, that corporations are considered persons under the 14th Amendment’s Equal Protection Clause.
Most here are barely capable of carrying a concept successfully let alone several at the same time. Perchance have you considered in parroting your deposit that the court clerk writing the decision was saying that the legal fiction of corporation existed and was long established; that this was not the issue being decided; that the corporation in order to function as designed as a legal entity had no difference to the rights of a person and could exercise those legal rights; a corporation was also subject to law also as a person was. Is that combination of concepts all so difficult as to be above your ken? I ffear the answer.
The hideous murder of Darya Dugina and attempted murder of Aleksandr Dugin can only be the work of Alphabet Inc. : CIA, MI6, NSA, DIA, CNN, FBI, DOA and others obscure and arcane (employed to spy on the spies). DOA you ask? Tes DOA, the current occupant of the WH, District of Criminals, the seat where the government places its ass(es).
Liz Cheney fancies herself as Abraham Lincoln it seems. The relationship of turd and tulip is more like it; both have an odour and one cannot be mistaken for the other. Whatever was the trollop thinking?
R.I.M., The Essay
Even more than Energy and Food, the source of failure will be the failure of Complex Systems which enable Energy and Food to be produced and delivered. The Achilles Heel of present day crypt-archy (hidden governance) is for that to exist all other interests must be diminished, and by doing so the foundations of complexity are deteriorated and destroyed, bringing down the card house complexity exists in. The degeneration of the educational system begins a process of juvenilising the population, the evidence can be found in the maturity exhibited by their political leaders who are fully willing to sacrifice the most valuable economic and medical services, developed over millennium, to comport with some ideological fantasy they haven’t the knowledge or intelligence to understand and analyse. Good ‘Hair’ beats good ‘brains’ hands-down in today’s ‘democracy’. End result will be the capacity for complexity will be diminished to the point it collapses of its internal incapacity to function, those exercising political power will resort to greater and greater force to retain power; the soil where political cancers grow to destroy their host. Just do not allow the millennium old knowledge passed down for generations for any economic skilled matter; farming, fishing, medicine, etc. and hold any holding those things in contempt, in vile contempt. Do not accord those with respect but the reverse of respect, to their faces, in ad hominem if possible. Defenestrate the British Royal family and their aristocracy for Julian’s sake!From RT, headline should read “PELOSI HAS HER BETTER PARTS SANCTIONED”
https://www.rt.com/news/560278-pelosi-taiwan-china-sanction/
R.I.M. at 112749
Careful there, you have a reader who is exactly 90 days younger than that corrupt, synapse challenged, reprobate currently illegally occupying the White House, District of Criminals between Virginia and Maryland. Isn’t it enough to have the image of that as one’s future without having to carry the assertion weight of being too old to know what is going on around oneself since the 1990’s? Gods be willing, when you get to that point in your life that you not also have to contend with the same.
Afewknowthetruth at 112517 31 July 1:41 am
Thanks for that segment from The Saker. Normally I seldom read such offerings, normally they are nothing but ill considered, ignorant revisions of history. You provided a sterling example of re-examination, reappraisal and revaluate, drawing conclusions hitherto not considered, doing so without distorting or destroying the history itself as a means of self-validation. Reading it was refreshingly enlightening.
Thanks againChina needs build themselves a Western Great Wall following the Russian frontier (including a double wall to their Kaliningrad enclave like the one that once connected Athens with its port Piraeus before Spartans made it disappear) to keep out the barbarians to the west pretending to be civilised. Maybe this too will be seen from low earth orbit if any barbarian see space again.
Maybe that will be un needed since most of the collective West “vaccinated” themselves and their kids.
Time will tell.China needs build themselves a Western Great Wall following the Russian frontier (including a double wall to their Kaliningrad enclave like the one that once connected Athens with its port Piraeus before Spartans made it disappear) to keep out the barbarians to the west pretending to be civilised. Maybe this too will be seen from low earth orbit if any barbarian see space again.
It strikes one that Nancy Pelosi is the perfect lead for a production of Mummy Dearest
(mummy like the Egyptians used to make, that is), the face embalmed whist still alive,
the public still trusts your judgment seeing the result, wondrous political legerdemain that.
Nancy Pelosi is off, to tour the East, pleasing China least, but China is quite capable
though inadvertent military mistake be made that will take Nancy Pelosi
like she did the constitution many a time with Bush 43,
off the table.Nancy Pelosi, Oh. My. Gosh. Cough cough
Spent her life feeding at the public trough.
Her mirror tells her daily, she’s quite the Toff.
But for now it’s good to see her off,
a one way ticket is good enough.Some of the more worldly experienced here (older) will recall early in the Cold War 1.0 the nuclear launch ‘button’ was carried in a fat leather briefcase by a military officer having complete access to the President at all times; that briefcase was dubbed “The Nuclear Football”. Has anybody wondered who has custody of “The N. Football” now, and how it is determined the present occupant of the WH is in a state they have the competency to make the ultimate decision on “The N. Football’s” employment? If a state of non compos mentis is in evidence what statutory authority is used as basis to see the access and judicious use of “The N. Football” is maintained and by who. What statutorily authorised to make that decision (Who becomes Biden’s ‘minder’, from what authority?). No discussion about this has been noted, maybe this should be heard, just to know the state of the nation and the security it provides.
Accept no wooden nickels for answers.Another gem from RT to keep you informed:
UK rules on Venezuela’s gold
Britain’s top court turned away President Nicolas Maduro’s bid to repatriate his country’s own assetshttps://www.rt.com/business/559836-uk-venezuela-gold-repatriation/
Another fact concerning the nature of British “Justice” brought to you by wholly owned factotums of CIA/MI6 collusion; British Judiciary are mostly bought and paid for factotums of Washington, District of Criminals, and are not the independent entities they claim to be. There may be a few that are damaged by the assertion but they would be damned few. The ‘fact’ these turkeys used in their finding is a drug induced delusion of Washington/Wall St./City/Tel Aviv axis that Juan Guaido is the legitimate Venezuelan President (still). It isn’t a wonder Julian Assange got the treatment in their high court he did; the corruption on the British isle is ubiquitous, from Buckingham Palace, Whitehall, Westminster, to 10 Downing St. to identify only national levels but not to mention the countrywide morass as its foundation. The world needs change their maps, the two large islands off the northwest European peninsula must have the title “British Isles” struck out and “The Celtic Isles” emblazoned, the British have used up the last of their good will and severely depleted all reserves of due respect. The subject sheeple need recall the result of their civil war and reapply that historical lesson. The House of Cromwell is the legitimate sovereign, long may it guide a subjugated abused people. Defenestrate House of Windsor and their aristocrats all.
Aspnaz at 112389 28 July 2022 Debt Rattle
Thank you for your reply. Macron of France is proof of process, appearing out of political nowhere, generously funded, no prior political experience, well orchestrated organisation that put a turd in Ëlysée Palace (French Presidential residence) against all well known, experienced, professional national politicians. And that is supposed to be naturally acceptable political result? Since then, like toadstools, others have sprouted to also occupy key managerial positions, the thing in Canada comes to mind – Turdeau.
Zombies may be the apt description of public awareness, zeitgeist of this age; seen everywhere on the public street, walking, glued to their screens, oblivious to any and all about them, a danger to themselves and other users of the public domain – shite for brains (or was that the ‘vaccine’).
Antidote may be as simple as knowing the candidate for public office better than those who use the public media do (or tell you about). Look at what organisations which support that candidate, who might be funding their candidacy, know the candidate’s history, biography. If any of these are hidden or of questionable provenance, simply vote, possibly against ones preferred political leanings, for the optimal (if numerous) candidate or against the incumbent if less than transparent or cryptic biographic history can be reasonably expected, i.e. no known political position in full support of public interests.
WEF will likely be an historical ‘flash in the pan’, not likely to last longer than the original manipulator and be gone as dust in the wind. The damage that may be caused extends to existential. Keeping their acolytes out of public office by knowing their provenance is essential. Always look to see who or what supports their candidacy for any candidate; support those who will not cause your interests harm. Keep in mind that although WEF may travel mostly by air, what goes up must come down sometime, somewhere.
Your comment:
The fools leading Holland are WEF puppets, so logic does not count, this is about following the WEF plan: this is just a part of the “you will own nothing and be happy” plan. They force purchase land and in return provide cash for you to pay rent, except that very soon that cash will be worthless.
As this is WEF we can assume that their puppet politicians will be doing this all over the world. WEF shows itself to be a bunch of common thieves, not surprising as it is owned by oligarchs who, by definition, are criminals. A little bit of theft will not bother their consciences one little bit, so it is up to the people to defend their possessions using violence, or be unhappy slaves. Notice that the WEF overlords still remain in the shadows, afraid that the common people might end their foray on this planet.
What gives with the fools leading Holland? Most of the nitrogen pollution they want to reduce comes from the diesel engines powering their autos; ban diesel cars altogether. Then see if further reduction is needed , if so ban light vans and trucks that are diesel powered. Only after those items are eliminated and there is still need for reduction, then engage with talks with the farming sector and explore more efficient ways of utilising products releasing unwanted nitrogen and nitrogen compounds. Only then should any consideration to interfere with the farming community be entertained. But before all that, remove, eliminate, disempower, exile or politically liquidate the current leadership of the Netherlands.
Although today’s farmer has historical roots in yeoman, serfdom, peonage, peasantry and slavery of feudal economics; today’s tiller of soil and practitioner of animal husbandry needs for expertise to conduct their affairs successfully far exceed that required for doctors, lawyers, academic professions by many orders of magnitude. Destroy the passing of information from one generation to the next in any farming protocol and that ability will be destroyed forever, it cannot be replaced with any university education. Far better to destroy politicians and political parties and the governments that house them; think of what food they have added to your table today.
From what rock in the sewer did they ever find Ursula Van der Leyden? Juan Guido is more qualified to lead the EU than Ursula Yon-der Lyin’.
Headline from RT:
Biden aide reveals how US plans to battle gasoline prices
https://www.rt.com/business/559508-biden-aide-reveals-oil-plan/
Let me guess, it will be biblical: With the jawbone of an ass, probably the one occupying the WH.
R.I.M. at 112008
IIRC on RT the other day, Russia was asking for all the paperwork for the turbine (to clear customs?) from Siemens be forwarded asap as needed for the technical description of the turbine and the repair work done and to verify its origins and chain of custody. (no link).
RT has this headline:
Liz Truss claims to be an ‘insurgent’
https://www.rt.com/news/559503-truss-candidate-plans-interview/
Try “insqertgent”; Gent is the fabricator of her dildo. Britain deserves the Liz(ard) Truss becoming their PM, it will bury any and all remaining good repute so deep it will never be found. One great way to end the reign of the queen and her miserable family including Randy Andy. Not once in her long reign has E II been seen to delay, divert or stay the disintegration of her patrimony, but E II was always seen to be pleasant. God save the queen, no one else can.
At: Phoenixvoice,
Sounds like the perfect way to bring up unwanted children. Whatever damage being unwanted brings to that child will last their lifetimes and more than likely be passed on to countless others having relationships with them. Talk about sowing the wind. Just an opinion.
one further matter:
Positions gained by fraud are not validly held, no rights or protection pertain. Pfizer is pfraudulence
For what it’s worth, I subscribe fully with John Day’s well considered point of view concerning pregnancy and its safe termination by the host and her medical practitioner with no outside constraints, interference from alien parties. Alien opinions and moralities have no standing in the issue whatsoever. Stifle
Looks like another division has been made in the population: organic and GMO to add to all the others.
G-7, a.k.a. the Seven Dwarts, not to be confused with the Disney product. Pronounced like warts beginning with a D like in Democracy which is eMocracy preceded with a D as in Dr.D here at this very site.
Remember this day, Friday, 24 June 2022, another day for the Infamy Files if anyone recalls the disaster that began on that day giving birth to Infamy.
Of sources of conflict that nurture emotion, few can surpass birthing. Many times conflict does not occur and supportive emotions exist. It is the times conflict does happen that engender the greatest emotions; conflicts arising from countless wells, no law can be written to address the smallest number of conflicts, no morality can provide justice, no court can hear even the smallest fraction to adjudicate equality.
There was a wisdom found by the court that found in Roe vs. Wade that found a sweet spot to the conundrums. Instead of a national law which could not be written, for political and legal reasons; or relying on the various states to try local legislation creating a hodgepodge of conflicting laws that would in effect make a citizen effected in one state fully empowered while in another a similar citizen became second or third class in receiving equal treatment under the law, the court removed law from entering into the citizen’s exercise of their options, and it removed legal liability from those medical services that would provide the needed assistance.
That is what was destroyed by judicial ideologues pretending morality today. Roe vs. Wade cannot be restored now. A citizen in Mississippi will not be equal to a citizen of California, or anywhere else anymore as state laws governing the fraught issues surrounding birth will vary in scope and quality of latitudes of considerations given, and the courts will be inundated with suits for exception and equity in untold conflicts. Keeps lawyers employed.
Like prohibition, this decision will profoundly affect the nation in unforeseeable ways, changing life like prohibition did. The lesson of prohibition has been forgotten but is still able to reteach that lesson now that absolute morality has reared its head again. Be damned careful what you wish for, you may deserve getting it.
Noirette at 109996
Acknowledging your reply. In that piece I did not define the terms but there are definitions, used as economic definitions that work. The intent was to show a simple version of what economics is when defined by basic principles; four cover production, three cover the range of consumption. At a minimum production and consumption are equal, e.g. low production, low consumption, high production, high consumption or lower consumption and retained production (savings). This eliminates all the ways these can happen as you wrote. This can be used as an analytic tool to view economic processes. Again the functioning definitions have not been included but the basic economic system might be observed.
“Labour” is essential to the creation of economic goods. No labour involved, the goods are not economic, e.g. air is a very important good but is not an economic good as no labour is required to obtain it. Does that clarify? Capital is merely income not consumed that is used in creating fjurther income – seed corn might be an example. Perhaps these examples may shed light on how these definitions were arrived. Sorry the ‘ul’ on the box header messed up.John Day at 109987
You’re certainly full of the blather today. What passes as spiritualism today would have been unknown to either Newton or Einstein and you have no evidence for your remarks.
If it is not evident by now, be assured I have absolutely no intention of entering into discussions of your, or any one else’s beliefs. They have no place at this site either, please take them elsewhere and stop making an ass of yourself. Your version of hallelujah-ing, hosanna-ing, holly roller-ing, blather-ing away in tongues whatever your cult may be is for other sites, and for some reflects poorly on you. You are not that great a cut and paste artist either. And you are certainly not qualified to lecture on Buddhism any more than you are on economics.
Yesterday at 109935 IIRC your:
I feel that a an actual “zeitgeist” (time-spirit) is different from the attempts to creat an ersatz “noble lie”, that zeitgeist is the antithesis of the “noble lie”. My feeling is that zeitgeist takes some very long naps, but that it is awake again, like in 1967.
(highlights mine)
Frankly your feelings carry absolutely no weight in some quarters, mine included. Your “noble lie”, what0s that, some conspiracy theory of yours? A lot of things happened in 1967, I don’t recall that particular headline to which you refer. For an educated person, your writing leaves lots to be desired.
This will be my last attempt to have any conversation with you, it seems not worth the candle.
Susmarie108 at 109954
You apparently did not read or comprehend what I wrote above at 109948. No mention of belief was made but had belief been mentioned it would have been categorised as either illusional or delusional in nature.
My opinion is that your opinion expressed is inane foolish blather but somewhere there is a universal constitutional right involved to express one’s opinion. Trust this acknowledges your reply.
Noirette at 109950
Economics can be modelled as two cycles that feed each other. The production cycle that provides the economic goods that feed the consumption cycle which in turn provides the economic actors that populate the production cycle. That is the economic model at its stark simplicity. Economic production has four sources of economic goods, they are: Land, Labour, Capital and Entrepreneurship.that provide economic goods filling economic: Needs, Wants and Desires that satisfy economic consumption. This handful of underlined words, properly defined describe the greater part of a model of how economics works. In all there are about 21 defined words to complete the model but you can see the basic structure with just these few terms. It shows the mass of BS that goes on in official economic education. The source was a class taken fifty some years ago in Economic History with visiting lecturer whose name is lost for concept credit,
Noirette at 109950
Economics can be modelled as two cycles that feed each other. The production cycle that provides the economic goods that feed the consumption cycle which in turn provides the economic actors that populate the production cycle. That is the economic model at its stark simplicity.
- Economic production
has four sources of
- economic goods
, they are:
- Land
,
- Labour
,
- Capital
and
- Entrepreneurship
.that provide
- economic goods
filling economic:
- Needs
,
- Wants
and
- Desires
that satisfy economic consumption. This handful of underlined words, properly defined describe the greater part of a model of how economics works. In all there are about 21 defined words to complete the model but you can see the basic structure with just these few terms. It shows the mass of BS that goes on in official economic education. The source was a class taken fifty some years ago in Economic History with visiting lecturer whose name is lost for concept credit,
I have used underline to mark economic carefully defined words, I don’t have preview to see result.
John Day at 109939
Formerly T-bear did not say:
What followed was what I did say, using Zeitgeist = Spirit of the Age and enumerating a number of matters Ersatz = substitutes, fake as the adjective. It is entirely understandable why anyone would prefer some other Zeitgeist. Unfortunately that was not the subject of my efforts.
Truth is a mirage, it can evaporate upon approach. Things are either true or not and are not fungible between those conditions. Once a great debate took place, whether stones fell from the sky. Those witnessing such asserted the truth that they did. Those not witnessing that event held the truth stones did not fall from the sky. Both sides assuredly held to their truth which once true facts were known, the truth evaporated for one set and was assured the other. That is what I referred to as the mirage of truth. Your definitions may differ.
Some exception is taken to the necessity of subjugation to your classification – materialistic worldview, particularly when coupled with judgmental right or wrong, all on a presumption. Better you guess the answer.
Trust the above will settle some of your troubles. Thanks
John Day at 109935
I had given you the best answer I could, twas insufficient by appearance. The truth you seek is a mirage, a deception but that is strictly your affair and the beauty of each having their own search to conduct whether successfully or not. All the best.
John Day at 109906
The German language has a word – ersatz – that may describe the zeitgeist (another German word) of the day. Ersatz News. Ersatz government. Ersatz education. Ersatz economy. Ersatz medicine/Ersatz vaccinations. Ersatz living. Ersatz beliefs. And so on. There is no right or wrong involved – it’s ersatz, maybe a dream, maybe a nightmare, all depends on the measure at hand. Economics has become a thought collective, a Hollywood “Borg”, self generating, self confirming ersatz. That is all.Noirette at 109888
Thank you for the reply about First Law of Economics.
I do find disagreement with you about Economics being a science, it definitely is, but the current form it takes puts that assertion into question. The solution is the current conception of Economics is invalid. You may search for roots and find vague traces occurring mainly in the Austrian School appearing post WW i, and a few interpretations of early French Economic philosophic studies (know also to Adam Smith) but no coherent presentation until the Chicago School, vintage WW II and later. This conception is known these days as MBA (Master of Business Administration) Econ 101 and is the universally taught and accepted version of Economics, its ultimate form is that of an ideologic black hole; once captured by its ‘gravity’ not even light can escape its influence. Several notable Economists have analysed its structure and have attempted escape velocity but still find themselves orbiting MBA Econ 101. Steve Keen is working on mathematical models more likely to function than those of Econ 101 but that only removes a few contradictions inherent in the prevailing economic ideology.
TINA (There Is No Alternative) dominates what passes as Economics and will for the foreseeable future. At this time Economic history has been eviscerated as a study, little value is assigned its utility. Most all historical Economic development has been discarded. Michael Hudson is another whose analytic knife cuts deeply into Econ 101 inconsistencies but again posits no alternative. A large part of the problem of finding an alternative to Econ 101 can be put at the door of economic language itself. Unlike any other science, economics has not defined specifically its terms which escape into fungibility. Sociology is scientifically sound because of defined terms in the same way physics is defined by mathematic formula. Only economics has a seat at the Queen of Hearts tea table, things meaning just and only what the speaker meant.
So completely does MBA Econ 101 dominate the thinking about economics that its influence will be overcome once the economic catechism passes from living memory. When that will be is unpredictable, chance can always find a way to emerge, just the way Newton emerged from Ptolemaic perception and Einstein from Newtonian. That emergence will not happen under current conditions.
I trust the above will give some picture of the unease with the statement Economics id not a science and why. It is important to keep searching, questioning and exploring what is being produced, but also what has been produced and giving ear to new ideas in economics. After all, “The Wealth of Nations“ is only about 250 years old that marks the birth of economic study. Most other sciences have more ancient roots.
Red at 109857
Laws? There are no laws in economics, just bad math.
First ‘Law’ of Economics: Bad math (math skills – logic) results (=) in bad answers. Take it from there.
Do not confound ‘Ideologic economics’ with ‘philosophical study economics’ and neither of those with ‘business economics’ or ‘political economics’. Is your head spinning yet?
An old adage advises that if you want to do well for yourself, never work for another(‘s benefit). You are selling your time for another’s profit. Treasure your time, it is the gold that feeds your life. Be in command of how your time is spent and how it produces the goods that fill needs, wants and the occasional desire. All else tends toward illusion or delusion; amusing to watch, life consuming to be involved. YMMV
at 109856
Withdrawing consent involves withdrawing those connections that support the edifice one has objections. Since almost everything depends on revenue flow, reducing that will have some effect, maybe cumulative but still an effect – the Boycott Principle. If using credit, make sure it is either paid in full or is serviced in a timely manner BEFORE you eat anything yourself. Again YMMVV.A.
In Ireland where I first heard there was a form of humour the Yanks didn’t understand. I’ve forgotten the form but irony might have been it.Myths like “innocent until proved guilty” erode slowly, but they erode long after their original form becomes unrecognisable. And yes, not a good time for justice in a lot more places than the U.S. Time now to withdraw consent where ever one is from what ever that has become misprision of governance. The ‘honest’ way to avoid income tax is to avoid income – use as little as possible and avoid the tax on the balance.
At V.A.
Ooooooooooo…that’s quite the curse…
What? Wishing someone a long life is a curse?
I thought Ariel Sharon died way too young.
The british home minister has just approved Julian Assange’s extradition to the Evil Empire.
https://www.rt.com/news/557309-uk-assange-secretary-approves-extradition/
May she out live her children, and theirs as well.
One of the most contemptible pieces of human trash, (RT quote) British Foreign Secretary Liz Truss has described the sentences [death for two captured British mercenaries] as a “sham judgment with absolutely no legitimacy”.(/RT quote). Just exactly how is British “justice” any different in the case of Julian Assange? Or the courts of Scotland treating Craig Murray? When those systems become anything better than dog dirt one wipes from the bottom of one’s shoe, then, and only then, can any claim of not being “sham judgment with absolutely no legitimacy”. and be refuted. Something rotten elsewhere than Denmark, methinks the bard had a myopia of nearby realms.
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John Day at no. 109092
@Formerly T-bear and V.Arnold, regarding:
“Russia is the only superpower with a self-sufficient economy..”
That is currently an accurate statement. “Autocratic” is the word, “autocracy”.
The USA is in a fairly distant second place, and China, requiring massive inputs of raw materials, energy and food commodities is completely dependent upon outside sources, like Russia.
That makes for a very strong alliance against the US/”west”, since Russia has more resources and China has more people and more industry.I think the word you are looking for is AUTARKY = self sufficiency which is being confounded, conflated with AUTARCHY = absolute power, despotism by an AUTOCRAT = a ruler having absolute power that forms an AUTOCRACY – an absolute government by one person (dictator, despot, monarch, etc.). AUTOCRATIC = the adjective denoting something having autocrat like characteristics. A problem arising when poorly educated are allowed to make fungible the meaning of words without correction. This fungibility of word use is also rampant in most discussion of economics, sadly to the point such discussion ends as being a useless waste of time. What is observed today is the culmination of 70+ years of cold war political propaganda. That needs undoing before any true discussion can take place with those so exposed. It pays to watch your p’s and q’s when politics, economics and law are involved. YMMV
