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    Robert Campin Portrait of a woman 1430-35   • The Goal Is Not To Help Ukraine, But To Fight Putin – Jacques Baud (TP) • Biden Tries Blaming Russi
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle June 11 2022]

    #109455
    V. Arnold
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    Robert Campin Portrait of a woman 1430-35

    …and a rather nice portrait might I add…I find myself staring at it for minutes at a time…

    #109456
    Armenio Pereira
    Participant

    Truth bombs abound, truth craters all around.
    How to navigate our way through such a difficult terrain?

    #109457
    Armenio Pereira
    Participant

    I went to bed one night in a more or less sane planet; I woke up the next day only to find myself enmeshed in a full fledged kakistocracy.
    How did that happen?
    (I have no right to cry wolf.)

    #109459
    Fattigmann
    Participant

    Photorealistic painting looks suspiciously like it was painted using a camera obscura.

    #109460
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Amazing paint, amazing portrait for 1400.

    “Former BlackRock stockpicker, Ed Dowd believes that the entire COVID sham was created as a cover for the financial collapse and that new lockdowns are coming, to try mitigate the inevitable violence and chaos that we can expect to be witnessing in the streets.”

    And I didn’t click on this. Sort of the flow back where I’m looking. I’ll have to find and review that and him time permitting.

    I do wonder with Kim.com what their endgame is. I mean, we have a lot of papers written, but really…can it look like that? It seems it won’t. So what will it?

    Wearing Masks in the House: Yes, they are all doing this because they have 3 doses of the vaccine that works so well. …But they’re all sharing one brain cell and today was not her day to have it.

    The journalists who criticize me are more Russia-haters than Ukraine-lovers.”

    Yes, journalists are the religion of hate. Love and forbearance, the Christ-consciousness is their enemy.

    “A modern state should not be guided by passion, but by reason. These principles were established by Montesquieu, Voltaire and Rousseau in the 18th century. Our “woke” culture has forgotten them. We let our feelings guide us and we follow them.”

    There’s a lot in this. That’s “Democracy” that’s “The Mob”, the thing our founders hated and feared most. But also if you are NOT guided by impartial reason, you cannot have a ‘modern’ state. Period. “The Constitution is for a moral people and will work for no other” – John Adams. They are getting rid of Enlightenment – and in a sense, have made an enemy of “light”, of reason – in favor of darkness, their new god. This is part of hating all things white, European, all things ‘us’, but also all things ‘them’. Even if your culture were bad, it would not be practicable to erase it. What would you do then? What would you replace it with? With Meeeeeeeeee, of course. With whatever I want today, like a 5-year-old. Like finger paints. When you make a mistake, you go “Oopsie!” like the WEF does when 25M are killed with your policies. This is also their express goal: endless revolution of Trotsky, “Burn it all Down” having never understood it or tried anything in the first place. They are violently ignorant of their history, their own culture, and of “know thyself” and are tireless of destroying everything they don’t understand.

    And how do you stop them? Not with reason, clearly. Reason is their enemy, feelings are their god. Because feelings, the feelz, are Meeeeeeee. Feelings are individual, personal. But also when you are raised from birth in a system of ‘powerlessness’ ordered about like a slave, told what to do, feelings are a source of needed power, and fill a deep, irrational hunger for self, for control. And the engineers know it and arrange it at their bidding, waiting and cultivating this response. …To lead all the herd to slaughter while they profit. The other one is if you are not part of a tribe or community, the clawing need for community and acceptance creates “The Cult” that you present them using modern advertising. Filling the deep need you yourself created by violence and theft.

    Yes, a lot in there. But no reason, no objectivity of the Enlightenment? = No Modern State. It collapses. As we’ve seen when trying to export it to other regions of the world like Africa, Asia, Iraq, etc. If they don’t have this tradition, so the outgrowths of this tradition don’t function. They become merely power-factions, using law to power-grab for “my side”.

    The only way to re-institute it is to return to the principles of the Enlightenment. However, history says that doesn’t happen that way. People move forward, to the new, and not backward. It has been said the Conservatives will lose because of this: they want to install a dry, dusty thing (that worked) instead of a new, exciting thing that has emotional passion. Like “Burn it all Down” and “make them pay.” Emotion is energy. Rhinos have none.

    “The rule of law means that decisions are not based on feelings or intuitions, but on the basis of facts.”

    But he’s missed the new fashion: “Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.” John 18:38 AND THEN THEY KILLED HIM ANYWAY. Why? Politics. Feelingz. He embarrassed them. Truth and law be damned. And then because of it, Christ won the world.

    “ UK: 5,000 Non-Covid Excess Deaths in the Last Five Weeks (DS)”

    Like the stock market, wake me when it matters. Clearly they will let every person die, every child, every soldier, and like Australia this week, be “completely baffled” as to why everyone is dying of heart problems but only since a certain date in 2021.

    I ask medical people, and they say “Covid”! Or “Long Covid”. And assiduously, religiously, refuse to look. Ever. Even when I say, “No, Covid was not the listed death certificate.” Suddenly, Lo! Their brains don’t work! The lights went out on Broadway. I saw a guy in my house, and my TV is gone, but I can’t figure out why or how. It has not helped my estimation of human nature, I’ll tell you that. Nor the speed at which things move.

    The Party of Chaos is so keenly desperate to stay out of prison”

    The Cover Up. Crimes to cover other crimes. What amateurs don’t know but criminals do is that if you commit a crime with/for me, I then blackmail you for life. I’m already a criminal in power above you, so I don’t care. But your life is over. You’re now a slave to me and the order. So the crimes can ONLY get bigger, harder, and more violent. You can ONLY get sacrificed eventually because of them. No one even cares why they got started, what the intent was, or what the crime was. Probably they believed “OMB” and “the other side was cheating” and ran that box of ballets through three times. But now none of that matters. They MUST cheat, they MUST win, in ever-larger frauds and numbers, or everyone goes to jail. The whole “side” in the splitting nation, the burgeoning civil war.

    Worse? Then the OTHER side MUST stand in Congress and try to PUT them in jail. Or else we have no government, no laws, no order. Why did you do this? Please stop. At least retire so I can avoid the results of the duty I must do.

    The other side appears to be avoiding Civil War with great efforts, having learned something from the last time. (Surprisingly). They are not at the 81% level and cannot move unless the people support them, overwhelming DEMAND them to. And why should they? The government is supposed to be the will of the people. If the people don’t want justice, and DO want a vaccine from known liars and murderers, who am I to stop them? The Government is US, “We the People.” So to fix it WE need to desire justice. And we don’t. The “Empire of Lies” is from the “People of Lies.”

    “Liz Cheney Said Trump Had a ‘Seven-part Plan’ to Overturn the Election (CNN)”

    Super-weird he never acted on any of it then. Ever. And begged Pelosi to bring out the national guard that would both give her power and stop it. When logic is your enemy, this is what you get. At the same time, Quantico, the FBI, was ready with snipers, and had dozens or scores of FBI agents in the crowd, but didn’t tell anyone else and let the DC police run half-staffed. This is at the same time half the Right was saying “Don’t go, it’s a set-up and a scam”. Alex Jones didn’t, and was arrested anyway. For NOT being there. Like Quantico’s other agent, Proud Boys leader Tarrio.

    See? If you ARE there, like Ray Epps, you’re innocent. If you’re NOT there, like Tarrio and Jones, you’re guilty.

    Also if you’re NOT there, like AOC wasn’t – she was miles away and evacuated hours before – you’re “under attack” and cry on camera for having to relive that terrible fateful day that you WEREN’T at war, and WERE NEVER in danger. Feelz! “But I cried imagining what would happen if I ever WAS in danger.”

    That still leaves the missing DC bomber, carrying the world’s easiest tracking cell phone. AND someone in the Capitol security booth who hit the magnetic locks on the 2,000-pound doors. Shouldn’t they be kinda mad at that guy? And the Police removing all the fences and taking selfies? N O P E.

    But why review it? I already decided using my feelz. No one cares. “What is truth?”

    Antiwar songs, sort of:

    Moon shining down through the palms
    Shadows moving on the sand
    Somebody whispering the twenty-third psalm
    Dusty rifle in his trembling hands
    Somebody trying just to stay alive
    He got promises to keep
    Over the ocean in America
    Far away and fast asleep

    Silent stars blinking in the blackness of an endless sky
    Cold silver satellites, ghostly caravans passing by
    Galaxies unfolding, new world’s being born
    Pilgrims and prodigals creeping toward the dawn

    And it’s a long road out of Eden

    Music blasting from an SUV
    On a bright and sunny day
    Rolling down the interstate
    In the good old USA
    Having lunch at The Petroleum Club
    Smoking fine cigars and swapping lives
    He said, “Give me another slice of that barbecued brisket
    Give me another piece of that pecan pie”

    Freeways flickering, cell phones chiming a tune
    We’re riding to utopia, road map says we’ll be arriving soon
    Captains of the old order clinging to the reins
    Assuring us these aches inside are only growing pains

    But it’s a long road out of Eden

    Back home, I was so certain the path was very clear
    But now I have to wonder what are we doing here
    I’m not counting on tomorrow and I can’t tell wrong from right
    But I’d give anything to be there in your arms tonight

    Weaving down the American highway
    Through the litter and the wreckage and the cultural junk
    Bloated with entitlement, loaded on propaganda
    Now we’re driving dazed and drunk
    Been down the road to Damascus, the road to Mandalay
    Met the ghost of Caesar on the Appian way
    He said, “It’s hard to stop this binging once you get a taste
    But the road to empire is a bloody stupid waste”

    Behold the bitten apple, the power of the tools
    But all the knowledge in the world is of no use to fools

    And it’s a long road out of Eden” – The Eagles

    #109461
    Red
    Participant

    I see the “opening” up is going smoothly! Labour shortages? Did I do that?

    “Disruptions have been particularly bad in the UK, though European hubs like Amsterdam, Frankfurt and Paris have also been plagued by delays and the fallout from strikes. Overseas hubs have also been hit: Toronto Pearson International, Canada’s busiest airport, has experienced soaring wait times and flight cancellations due to labor shortages.”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-09/the-travel-boom-has-caught-airlines-still-in-bust-mode-off-guard

    #109463
    anticlimactic
    Participant

    Perhaps those who were vaccinated for COVID should be entered for the Darwin Awards.

    They recognize individuals who have supposedly contributed to human evolution by selecting themselves out of the gene pool by dying or becoming sterilized via their own actions.

    #109464
    Red
    Participant

    Dr. John posted this from “Oilprice”:
    “The insurance ban is also a huge blow to Russia’s Arctic oil projects, with Gazprom Neft and Lukoil exporting crude from three projects currently, and the biggest oil producer Rosneft looking to develop the huge Vostok Oil project. Without insurance, or insufficient insurance on the Arctic oil routes eastward to China, a tanker carrying oil in Arctic waters and ice is a disaster waiting to happen, Malte Humpert of High North News writes.

    “So Russia using its own tankers or China’s need outside insurance to traverse their own waters all the way into the adjoining countries waters? “A disaster waiting to happen” in their own territory. I’m thinking these insurance companies would be only to happy to not insure them on that basis alone as Dr.D. explained already; The insurance industry, like the rest of the west, is fucking bankrupt! Has been for sometime. Their business model is based on 7% growth in perpetuity. They haven’t seen that in a decade or more, so were does that leave them. Default? The word of the decade or soon to be “default”!

    #109465
    kultsommer
    Participant

    @Fattigmann
    What is beautiful of the portrait is precisely of not being photo realistic. Examine closer.
    The use of projector is the reason that I can not stand contemporary portrait or figure paintings since I can spot it from a mile distance. There are exceptions, of course.
    @Dr D
    Good paint (?) and good for 1400. We are talking Renaissance here, albeit early.

    It is not about art (although it is). Ignorance spreads like cancer and leads to the world in which “nothing matters and anything goes”. The one that we are experiencing right now.

    #109467
    zerosum
    Participant

    Don’t be/act so stupid …..
    Distractions/lies are manufactured/fabricated everywhere to gain an unfair advantage.

    The latest ……
    Kiev is exporting wheat …… in exchange for arms

    #109468
    Polder Dweller
    Participant

    Gasoline hits €2.50 / litre in NL = $10 / gallon.

    #109469
    Oroboros
    Participant

    @ Dr D Is this the interview you were thinking of?

    Ed Dowd interview with Greg Hunter

    CV19 Vax Deadliest Fraud in History – Edward Dowd

    #109471
    Fattigmann
    Participant

    @kultsommer sorry but respectfully disagree. I did not say I disliked the painting; on the contrary. However this painting is most definitely photorealistic within the bounds of the strong tracing lines characterizing throughout. In general I am amazed by pre-modern portraiture; yet it’s folly to think that the artists did not use every tool available to achieve verisimilitude, including mirrors and tracing. The charm of this painting lies in capturing and revealing the inner state of the sitter, which transcends paint.

    #109472
    willem
    Participant

    Ed Curtin is an eloquent yet low-key commentator that I follow. Today he had a brief post up consisting of the following thank-you:

    I want to thank everyone who comments on my articles, for it is important and uplifting to see people in dialogue and not bashing each other. We all have a lot to learn from each other, even when there are disagreements between commentators and those who disagree with what I write. I read everything but don’t have the time or energy to respond. I never censor comments, so the site is where freedom of speech is practiced. This is very important, especially these days. And I want to thank the few who contributed some money, since once upon a time I was paid for my work when publications paid writers, but those days are long gone, even while those same publications pay their staffs. Writers are supposed to work for nothing these days.

    http://edwardcurtin.com/thanks-you/

    Both Ed’s commentary and that of the commenters are both models of civility, while remaining interesting and stimulating. This is also one of the best features of TAE that keeps me coming back. Most commentary here is also quite civil, for which I am grateful. Thanks to you all for that.

    #109473
    Susmarie108
    Participant

    Robert Campin Portrait of a woman 1430-35 – a beautiful piece. Contrast is the key. Her face is lovely, perfect features captured perfectly. The pinned, layered cloth draped in waves and bound tightly around her chin frames the perfection. Painted fabric is always a source of interest for me, this is well done – contrast that to yesterday’s art selection where the tablecloth takes on a “personality” of its own. Left over right Hands at her Heart shine through.

    @Dr D: thank you. Yesterday’s post was enlightening; your clarity/reasoning – on how they are managing/hiding the global bankruptcy/financial collapse is evolving and razor sharp. Red-Hot Today: “But also if you are NOT guided by impartial reason, you cannot have a ‘modern’ state. Period. “The Constitution is for a moral people and will work for no other” – John Adams. They are getting rid of Enlightenment – and in a sense, have made an enemy of “light”, of reason – in favor of darkness, their new god.”

    Impartial reason. Agree, it’s an essential aspect lost to the dominance of and the reliance on pure emotion. Most people are completely unaware of the distinction and of the relationship. Reason/reasoning – like any other positive practice/habit/skill, requires focus and cultivation. Would love to explore this further!

    You are pointing to feelings as a lynchpin. “feelings are a source of needed power, and fill a deep, irrational hunger for self, for control.” What you are saying is that our feelings are being used as a weapon against us and are a tool that is leveraged by TPTB. So TRUE.

    I see it in a simple equation (through a highly focused/distilled Enneagram lens): Three Centers of human intelligence represented like this: Hands (doing/action), Head (mind/thought) and Heart (feelings/emotion). We are typically strong/competent in one Center and lacking in another. Wisdom comes through activation of all three Centers. For example, reason/reasoning comes through activation of Head and Heart intelligence. Applying reason to daily living requires activation of the doing Center guided by the other two – leading to Wisdom. Could something as simple as this provide insight and a PathWay to Peace?

    A moral people – what does this mean? How do we become this? Who facilitates the conversation? Or do we individually apply our moral understanding/experience from daily living to daily living in the quest to be the best person we can be – in the world directly around us?

    LOVE to All.

    #109475
    willem
    Participant

    Notice that the tactic of the 1/6 Committee is the same as that trotted out for the jab—the hard sell. This seems destined to become a regular feature of our lives in the new “mediated reality.”

    Products, narratives, etc. will sell themselves with virtually no extra effort if the benefits of buying them is clear. And the 1/6 narrative, just like the jab, should be an easy sell if the truth of the narrative or the quality of the product is obvious. Obviously in both cases, high-pressure sales tactics are required. In the current case, if the 1/6 Committee had anything more than innuendo, the heads of the “conspiracy” would have been brought to trial long ago, and Trump himself would already be in court somewhere. This is obviously nothing more than a mid-cycle election pre-game show.

    #109476
    Fattigmann
    Participant

    @Susmarie108 The tripartite nature of human existence is of course as old as Plato and Aristotle (classical logos/pathos/ethos corresponding roughly to the head/heart/soul). Augustine rebranded this classical formula as the Holy Trinity, wherein Logos becomes flesh in the person of Jesus. You correctly mention the power of contrast in the painting; of course you can’t have dark without light and a neutral ground for perspective. Positive/negative/ground (as in electricity) is another permutation of the classical trinity. You are also correct that modern culture is clearly out of balance (away from ethos, I would argue).

    #109477
    kultsommer
    Participant

    @Fattigmann
    I never implied that you did not like the painting.You are correct in your last sentence only. Other artists, indeed, did use camera obscura, but if you imply that a “tool” was used (which was not) to trace this image, than result is a dismal failure. While area around the mouth may be, barely, called to photo realistic other ares, especially eyes, are “off”, for what you appear to be blind to notice (and our argument stops right there). That “off-ness” by no means diminish the quality of the painting – quite the opposite. While representing somebody, portrait is somehow otherworldly to be called photo-realistic. One may say it is a “portrait of that inner state of the person” rather than somebody that we may bump into.
    Photo realistic portrait is something like this:

    Wyeths & American Art: Brandywine River Museum of Art


    Scroll to see photo realistic image of living flesh and search further for more clear versions and full size painting.
    One may ask what is the nick-picking about trivial micro-world-thing like an art in the era of looming WWIII, “pandemic” and other idiocies and my argument is that ignorance, of any kind, spreads like cancer and adds to greater ignorance that in return leads to “anything goes and nothing matters” and election of the “leaders” that we have now.
    Pointing to that earned me a lot of rotten tomatoes by the ignorant.

    #109478
    Fattigmann
    Participant

    @kultsommer incorrect; this painting represents the era’s closest approximation of photo realism in an era obviously demanding portraits of that level of accuracy. Of course the artist has made choices to emphasize certain spiritual and psychological “tells” and diminish others for a desired emotional effect; this is the artistry. Photorealism and artistry are not mutually contradictory. It’s disingenuous to compare with modern photorealism, which revels in pure technical verisimilitude with little or no artistry. When I say “photorealism,” I have in mind, say, Picasso or impressionists by way of comparison. Even a painterly baroque artist such as Rembrandt is much less photorealistic typically than this painting. I stand by my original statement.

    #109479
    Red
    Participant
    #109480
    Formerly T-Bear
    Participant

    One of the most contemptible pieces of human trash, (RT quote) British Foreign Secretary Liz Truss has described the sentences [death for two captured British mercenaries] as a “sham judgment with absolutely no legitimacy”.(/RT quote). Just exactly how is British “justice” any different in the case of Julian Assange? Or the courts of Scotland treating Craig Murray? When those systems become anything better than dog dirt one wipes from the bottom of one’s shoe, then, and only then, can any claim of not being “sham judgment with absolutely no legitimacy”. and be refuted. Something rotten elsewhere than Denmark, methinks the bard had a myopia of nearby realms.

    #109481
    Veracious Poet
    Participant

    @Susmarie108

    Hands (doing/action), Head (mind/thought) and Heart (feelings/emotion).

    Recently I’ve been spiritually reflecting on the phenom of how We The People divorced ourselves from any semblance of our previous national morals & ethics, gradually opting for an increasingly non-nonsensical, toxic path toward mass psychosis…

    A generalization of this phenom would be the transition of The Greatest Generation (We, Us, Community, Nation) to the Boomers (Me, I, individual feelings-based, ribbons for everyone!).

    Anyone remember back in the 60s & 70s, when suddenly, the fad du jour became FEELINGS?

    Bernays to infinity & beyond!

    Trust Your Feelings? . . . Maybe Not
    Why trusting our feelings can be dangerous.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/evolution-the-self/200808/trust-your-feelings-maybe-not

    Moreover, you stated Hands, Head, Heart as the three primary states of human existence (which is true in EGO-based humanity), but you neglected to mention IMHO the most important aspect Spirit.

    Without an awakened conscience & connection to the Spark of the Eternal within, humans become nothing more than high-functioning predators, consumed with survival, status & power (ie a state of self-obsession, selfishness).

    Back to feelings/heart: All animals have Feelings, which of course was dismissed as faulty logic by Descartes & many composing The Science of his time, who then felt license to barbarically advocate & engage in the horrific vivisection of innocent life ~ Sociopaths unfortunately still carry on Descartes’ tradition, & such heinous acts are still committed in pursuit of The Science

    If one examines the true origin of Feelings, they are in fact electro/chemical response to stimuli originating in the animal center of control/response, the Brain or the Head.

    There are also Feelings generated in response to the Spirit, but it’s difficult to determine if this is Brain centered electro/chemical stimuli response, or something else ~ Science has no clue in this area of reality…

    Moreover, Feelings can be completely erroneous “responses” ~ Daddy! There’s a monster under my bed! I’m scared!

    With that said, children have to be taught not to Let your feelings run away with you, an adage that is lost to modernity, for the most part…

    Another timeless musing is that estrogen-based humans have Deeper Feelings than testosterone-based members of mankind.

    This in my experience & opinion is why paternal social norms, once Feelings became sacrosanct (The Truth!), have been rejected by Western civilization, except where necessary for survival, which is an increasingly disposable commodity following the advent of WMDs, industrial mechanization/robotics, high tech, consumer-based economic systems…

    It is also why children stopped maturing into spiritually balance members of society, the rise of the child EGO as also sacrosanct, the norm.

    A moral people – what does this mean? How do we become this? Who facilitates the conversation? Or do we individually apply our moral understanding/experience from daily living to daily living in the quest to be the best person we can be – in the world directly around us?

    Moral:

    <adjective>

    1> concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior and the goodness or badness of human character.

    2> holding or manifesting high principles for proper conduct.

    <noun>

    1. a lesson, especially one concerning what is right or prudent, that can be derived from a story, a piece of information, or an experience.

    2. a person’s standards of behavior or beliefs concerning what is and is not acceptable for them to do.

    It is a foregone conclusion that a society that places Feelings first places the cart before the horse…

    Feelings should be the final part of the Spirit/Mind/Action process, that is a sort of feedback loop in the physical realm, which the Infinite blessed all living things with for purposes of enjoyment, survival, error correction, ie positive/negative feedback.

    Often doing the “right” action doesn’t feel “good”, especially when delaying satisfaction, such as engaging in prayer+meditation to enlighten the Spirit within…

    Moreover doing the “wrong” thing can often feel “good”, which leads to a mentally deteriorated state-of-being, where the EGOcentric lie to themselves, abandoning morals & ethics, which when practiced en masse leads to a vitiated, There is no shame, anything goes CULTure.

    Apparatchiks, con artists, sociopaths et al. have learned that appealing to Feelings is an easier path to success than appealing to moralistic virtues (Bernays), and now a century of this upside-down practice has resulted in a totally corrupted CULTure, where Feelings are hot button topics, ethics/morals taboo…

    Healthy human existence = Spirit/Brain/Action/Feelings

    Unsound human existence = EGO/Brain/Feelings/Action

    So, this is me skimming the surface of human nature, based on spiritual enlightenment (no credit, I was once a feeling-based moron), this is just my take on the “situation”, which I see no easy way out of…

    If I had a nickel for every time I heard a childlike human complain about pre-Boomer generations being too stoic, My father stuffed his feelingz, I would be richer than Elon 😕

    P.S. Seriously doubt many will even read this effort en total, before they 🙄 & move on ~ Comme Ci, Comme Ça

    #109482
    kultsommer
    Participant

    @Fattigmann
    Why, then, use a word “photo” to describe work that is done four centuries before it’s invention, for one, while admitting that artist deliberately altered some features to “make a point”?
    This is going nowhere.

    #109483
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    @ VP

    Don’t know what this spirit thing is that you are talking about. Is it something magical?

    #109484
    Veracious Poet
    Participant

    Michael,

    If you don’t see a miracle today, you’re not paying attention 😉

    The Boomer Anthem:

    #109485
    Fattigmann
    Participant

    @kultsommer Logical Fallacy: Strawman Argument. I did not say the painting was a photo. I said it was photorealistic, meaning its desired effect was to artfully capture the essence of the subject as realistically as possible in absolute physical terms. You are only correct in your final sentence: this is going nowhere.

    #109486
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    @ VP

    I don’t really know what a miracle is but being alive is simply amazing. Being dead I have not experienced that yet so I will keep an open mind and positive attitude and hopefully it will be the best experience ever.

    The very basics of life: feeling, acting, and thinking. Is there a need for any thing else?

    Sure would be helpful to have manuals on these items. I found the nursing education and experience helpful. Some stuff everyone should be taught.

    #109487
    Veracious Poet
    Participant

    Paging Dr. Day, please pickup courtesy line 2…

    #109488
    kultsommer
    Participant

    @Fattigmann
    I have to give it to you: master of three cup game with your own words.
    Now you see it and now you don’t. Hard to debate that.

    #109489
    Fattigmann
    Participant

    @kultsommer Sorry, I have no idea what you’re talking about.

    #109490
    Fattigmann
    Participant

    @kultsommer Sorry, I have no idea what you’re talking about.

    #109491
    Susmarie108
    Participant

    Gary – appreciate the reply + new conversation.

    One clarification: I described three centers of human “intelligence” not primary states of human existence. Intelligence in this case is like an operating system. In this model, when all centers are fully operating, accessed and utilized, in mutual co-operation/balance/harmony, there is WISDOM – which is the portal to SPIRIT.

    The willingness to experience legitimate suffering FULLY is the foundation of mental/physical/emotional prosperity?

    #109492
    kultsommer
    Participant

    @Fattigmann
    “Photorealistic painting looks suspiciously like it was painted using a camera obscura.”
    Your very first post, quote word for word, that started “all of this”. All my replies are to that very first comment.
    No more no less.
    How from “that” you came to: “It’s disingenuous to compare with modern photorealism”? In addition to other flip-flopping word salad.
    Actually it is disappointing that you did not use the term ” 15th century photoshop”.
    It’s getting late.

    #109505
    Fattigmann
    Participant

    @kultsommer camera obscura is from the 15th century. That’s why I used the term. Again, I still have no idea what your point is.

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