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    Rembrandt van Rijn The Anatomy Lesson of Dr. Nicolaes Tulp 1632     We had already been told that in the Ethiopian Airlines flight ET302 cra
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    #46466
    V. Arnold
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    Boeing’s Problem Is Not Software

    That’s correct; it’s a cultural thing; such as neo-liberal economics (the Chicago School); not taking care of society’s health needs; education, and wounded veterans.
    Everything for the elites and nothing for the serfs.
    Look for the easiest, cheapest solutions for the 737 Max; the spice must flow…

    #46467
    V. Arnold
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    Speaking of elites; Boeing doesn’t have to be concerned with them regarding the 737 Max; I’ve read they (the elites) all fly in private jets…

    #46468

    As the -no 2 (?!)- supplier to the US military, Boeing is no stranger to killing people

    #46469

    But still, if you trace the -lack of- logic in my essay, what are these people thinking? The reasons behind 3-sensor are so obvious, but they’re still, after the two crashes, working on 2-sensor

    #46470
    V. Arnold
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    The important thing is the recognition of the reality of “their” thinking; I can’t begin to fathom their logic.
    Murder is our business? Death is our desire?
    Beats me…

    #46471

    Well they do want to sell planes too, or so I’m told

    #46474
    DFC
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    Hi Raúl

    Very interesting post, I agree with you, this is not a software problem is a much more profound and far reaching causes to these disasters. Some of them:

    1) I think Boeing is accustomed to the “easy” profits of selling products to the Pentagon, easy wins from taxpayers, and did not develope new civil aircrafts as Airbus did

    2) Airbus marketed a new plane A320Neo in 2011 build to accomodate high efficiency (bigger) motors, Boeing did not have anything similar at that moment. We live in an era of cheap tickets and the fuel efficiency is king

    3) Boeing transform the 1960’s 737 quickly to accomodate the new high efficiency motors, to compete in this market without wait for a new design (+10 years), but the motors are in an “unnatural” elevated and forward position that makes de plane more prone tu up the nose

    4) To avoid the inherent aerodynamic instability with the new motors and at the same time to avoid costly training for the airlines (customers) they field the MCAS, using, at the same time, the same sensors of the “old” 737. After all the driverless systems is the future…

    5) The FAA follow, from 2005 onwards, a process of “self-regulation”, and then some employess of the companies made the safety assessments of their products, and all the certification process for the 737 Max was based on the principle of “sufficient similarity” (like the GMO). This employees, of course, are subject to pressure from Boeing to market the plane ASAP

    6) To justify the principle of “sufficient similatity” they do not change the systems of sensors, and the MCAS system use, in fact, only one sensor of the two. Also to avoid more “costly” training (only 30 min un an Ipad is enough) and time for certification (every change affect the process)

    7) As is the “same” 737, they (Boeing and FAA) considered it was not necessary to include all the charasteristics of the MCAS in the flight manual, because it is an “intelligent” system

    At the end you can see here how a plutocratic system pervert all the chain of safeguards that could prevent such disasters, starting from the FMEA and Hazop analysis, continuing with the “collabotative” regulator (FAA), the self-regulation regime, financialization of the chain of decisions, they know they are too big to fail, etc….

    It is not a technicall problem at all (like the case of VW and the dieselgate), it is a systemic one

    Cheers
    David

    #46475
    V. Arnold
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    Well they do want to sell planes too, or so I’m told

    Ostensibly yes; but they’re bankrupt in everything but money.
    Increasingly, I think we’re witnessing the future going forward…

    #46476
    VietnamVet
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    Exactly. To fix the problem, Boeing must add a fly-by-wire flight control system with multiple sensors and at least triple redundancy. Test and train the pilots. Only the Seattle Times reported this. This takes time and money. If the 737 Max is re-certified without these minimum safety features, then corporate monied interests have won once again. The lowlife coach passengers be damn. The corruption is so deep that ethics is archaic. Governments incompetent;
    “Crashing jets. Dangerous strollers. Scary pork”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crashing-jets-dangerous-strollers-scary-pork-thats-a-world-without-regulators/2019/04/04/f479a528-56ff-11e9-8ef3-fbd41a2ce4d5_story.html?utm_term=.48e6ae6429c9

    #46477
    V. Arnold
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    #46478

    Boeing wants everyone to think software is the problem. Hence the apology in its current form. Works so far.

    #46479
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Boeing wants everyone to think software is the problem. Hence the apology in its current form. Works so far.

    Agree. This is where critical thinking and additional information can cut through the “software” lie.
    The plane was majorly redesigned; new, larger engines, needing a different mounting location which changed flight characteristics; the tail was modified as well.
    A veritable patchwork of poorly designed and engineered modifications.
    Then certification procedures were corrupted to a process of self certifications…
    Effectively; there was no legitimate certification procedures…
    346 dead mere weeks apart; but the Boeing CEO is very sorry for those deaths…
    Rings hollow on this end…

    #46495
    Dr. D
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    Sure those guys don’t want to put on a smock or something? Today’s lesson is going to be messy.

    They could also get around ALL their plane troubles by just having PILOTS fly them, not computers. That has risks too, but you’re trading diminishing returns of the ever-increasing infrastructure that collapses empires, for the daily risk of a pilot’s human judgment. They might add up the same, who knows, but in which case the pilot + plane solution will be a LOT cheaper. And, Boeing, you can blame the pilot! A win-win.

    This story also goes the other way: BECAUSE the FAA requires eternal compliance and regulation, that is WHY they chose not to take the correct solution of re-adjusting the plane’s airframe. So the Government and FAA to some extent CAUSED Boeing to make bad decisions. I’m not waxing poetic on corporations being responsible without oversight, but reckless endangerment is illegal and they can be sued in any case exactly as now. It needs to be brought up because multiply by 100,000 industries, each with their own arcane regulations, enforced according to lobbyist influence (i.e. against the little guy and never against the monopolies) and the compliance may in fact suck out all the profit, the production, and now even the safety advantages of having a regulator. Look at Fannie Mae and the SEC.

    Since the FAA is already allowing manufacturing companies to “self-test” and “self-regulate” (like the SEC) why not just dispense with the illusion and save some money by disbanding them? They’re not doing anything anyway. If not, why not, and how many empty seats would you need to fire to reform them?

    #46569
    protricity
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    Why did that Boeing crash? Yet again we don’t get an ‘ex plane’ ation. Turns out Flying Fortresses have a HUGE SECRET to them. Ready??
    Imagine you’re on a Jumbo Jet airplane and suddenly all the engines stop working, what happens next? Well …. the next thing that happens is that all these bags drop out of the ceiling and you HAVE TO PUT THEM ON, and they make you stoned within seconds so you pass out. Ever wondered why these masks exist? Why is it necessary to sedate airline passengers?
    Consider: In all heavier-than-air jet planes (like Jumbo Jets), if one or multiple jet engines fail, only one jet engine is required stay in the air! There is no explanation yet from Boeing or NASA as to how Jumbo Jets can stay in the air with only a SINGLE ENGINE operating on ONE (not both) wings. Remember the movie Memphis Belle (1990)? Remember at the end of the movie, the B-17 Bomber was flying with only a SINGLE ENGINE operating ONLY ONE WING? Why didn’t the plane immediately drop to one side? What about the real life examples where *ALL* engines failed and the massive plane was able to turn 180 degrees and return safely to the ground? (Read: Miracle on the Hudson cited at the end of the OP for an example). Have to agree after the last few crashes that something mysterious is failing within these planes, right? I mean, it’s not an led light that’s the problem here.
    The Big Secret: Electromagnetic technology secretly keeps the planes afloat once the (noisy) jet engines are running, while propellers are only used to move the plane forward. EM is 10\^39 more powerful than Gravity, thus anti-gravity technology is trivial and simple to design, and was invented a very long time ago. Starting in WW2, this technology was built into the planes in such a way that their own pilots and engineers did not realize it. This was the only way they could get these TEENAGE PILOTS into the planes and send them hundreds of miles on bombing raids. Allied bombing raids using child pilots is the inspiration behind the book Ender’s Game. Older vets would have objected to the global air-force bombings, and they still do today, thus all pilot decision making has been replaced by AUTOMATED DRONE AI. Smaller stunt planes do not need such technology to fly (many still use it, as do all drone bombers), but all Boeing Bombers (i.e. B17, B52) absolutely did since they needed to carry a major payload (unlimited weight) in bombs. These automated over-sized cargo bombers were responsible for over 15 million deaths during the 20th century as they dropped Napalm and other incendiary bombs over 3 thousand human cities towns and villages. Had the allies used normal anti gravity technology to win the war, they would have sent the Memphis Belle boys in flying saucers. The pilots would be well aware of the technology by the end of the war, and we’d all be in our own saucers today.
    The only reason to build an airplane that could never fly by aerodynamic technology alone *IS* to hid the technology from the very pilots who are winning the Allies war. Can you agree that saturated air bombing won WW2? All those houses in that movie The Pianist? 67 Cities in Japan, etc etc. This is how we won WW2. We CHEATED! This is how NAZI Germany, North Korea, Japan (and more recently) Vietnam and Yugoslavia were completely destroyed. This is why you CANNOT get an aviators license without DIRECT APPROVAL by the FAA, which requires a written and oral test proving that you ‘understand’ (believe in) aerodynamics heavier-than-air flight. This is why the NASA/Boeing boys club has always been so corrupted. This is why NASA is fake, created entirely in-house by Lockheed Martin and Boeing. This is why Jumbo Jets have not improved in design in over 70 *YEARS*. This is why all Jumbo Jets look identical. This is why they NEVER CRASH (with the exception of a major uptick in unexplained crashes since 2014). This is why 9/11 involved (cgi) Jumbo Jets and turned airports into PRISONS. This explains ALL UFO SIGHTINGS. This explains CHEMTRAILS (No human pilots required). Consider that this is the secret NSA (and recently TSA) were created to protect. This is why basically everything you know about the ruinous 20th century, our darkest century. How does one keep such an obvious secret this whole time? Any country that doesn’t go along with ‘the plan’ gets bombs instead of airports.

    By Endless War.
    Oh, wait, what’s that? Allies were the ‘good guys’? Victors of war never lie? Holocaust and Pearl Harbor weren’t false flags events? Save it.

    FAQ:
    Q: You’re an idiot.
    A: that wasn’t a question.

    Q: Why do people like you post these everywhere and even get banned and shunned for it?
    A: Because we believe as soon as the world realizes this one thing about airplanes, we can start the healing process from 100 years of endless war. Doesn’t that sound good?

    Q: No seriously, WHY are you doing this?
    A: If you can’t tell, there is a serious epidemic of censorship destroying the internet we used to know. A big part of the problem lies in the arrogance of those privileged enough to still be on these networks. Until we get our rights back (ALL OF US), your caged safe zones will continue to rattle

    Citations:

    Remember Kosovo in 1999 under Clinton?
    https://www.sott.net/article/410544-Who-directed-the-destruction-and-breakup-of-Yugoslavia-and-how
    “Several thousand missile and bombing raids were carried out over Yugoslavia during the NATO aggression. Several tens of thousands of bombs and missiles were dropped with a total weight of more than 22,000 tons. Hundreds of industrial plants, oil depots, power plants, and infrastructure including hundreds of road and railway bridges were destroyed or seriously damaged. A large number of historical and architectural sites and monuments were destroyed, along with hundreds of schools, universities, libraries, and more than 20 hospitals. Nearly 40,000 homes were completely destroyed or damaged.”

    Boeing apparently is crashing up dozens of fatal crashes EVERY YEAR. Here’s an example: http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/03/atlas-air-the-boeing-crash-no-one-is-talking-about.html”The Recent Deadly Boeing Crash No One Is Talking About” (3rd crash in the USA last month, but no coverage)

    https://rense.com/general79/among.htm
    “We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an Act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity…Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do.” -Ben Rich, stated during a 1993, Alumni Speech at UCLA

    Aerodynamics eh?

    Pilots landed a ROOFLESS airplane – Aloha Airlines Flight 243


    “Roofless Boeing 737”

    https://www.cnet.com/news/boeing-787-dreamliner-wows-with-near-vertical-takeoff/
    “Vertical Takeoff Boeing 737”

    https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/do-not-publish/287-959247e4-3aba-4c0a-a83b-639145e81a64
    “Foreign ownership of thousands of U.S. aircraft cloaked in secrecy”

    When jet engines fail, the passengers feel no drop. Just like in Loony Toons!!!
    https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2019/01/15/miracle-on-the-hudson-10-year-anniversary-
    “It was a very foreign feeling – the plane actually shuddered and kind of stopped in mid-air,” said one passenger.

    It’s the pilots fault. No it’s the auto pilot. No it’s the software! Here’s a ‘patch’!
    https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/15/18267365/boeing-737-max-8-crash-autopilot-automation
    “Deadly crashes raise questions about AI automation”

    You can have blind faith in aerodynamic engineering, just don’t have blind faith in Boeing.
    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/2-deadly-crashes-raise-questions-about-faas-close-ties-to-boeing
    “2 deadly crashes raise questions about FAA’s close ties to Boeing”

    Aerodynamics? No.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-52_Stratofortress
    “The modification created enough capacity for a total of 60,000 lb (27,215 kg) using 108 bombs. Thus modified, B-52Ds could carry 22,000 lb (9,980 kg) more than B-52Fs”

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