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    John La Farge Girls Carrying a Canoe, Vaiala in Samoa 1891   • India COVID Triple-Mutant May Be Much More Deadly, Resistant To Vaccines (ABI) • T
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle April 24 2021]

    #73792
    Germ
    Participant

    Enjoy!

    #73794
    Polder Dweller
    Participant

    Yesterday, I wanted to watch the Dr Bhakdi video you linked, but it’s been removed by people who know better what’s good for us at YouTube.

    You can still find it here though.

    #73795
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    I think I’m finally catching on about kovid:

    original strain = 1 mask
    double mutant strain = 2 masks
    triple mutant strain = 3 masks

    Clear, easy-to-understand instructions for combating this virus. If the experts had explained it like that from the beginning it would not have taken everyone so long to get onboard with this.

    /sarc

    #73796
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    Polder: thanks for finding the Bhakdi video link. They pulled it from youtube the day Raul posted it. I’d already watched it but wanted to see it again.

    #73797
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    The vaccines are being sold to us as a way of arriving at herd immunity in a technologically-assisted way. However, the thing that would accomplish this, namely as many people in the world getting vaccinated as possible, probably won’t happen if Big Pharma succeeds in blocking generic vaccines that poorer countries such as India would be able to afford. So perhaps the real goal of these untested vaccines is really to make Big Pharma execs richer than Croesus?

    #73798
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    “The US is deploying additional forces to Afghanistan and the surrounding regions to …… withdraw all combat troops …”

    Too bad most stand-up comics have opted to become PC. This stuff writes itself.

    #73799
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    Cuomo: releasing nursing home information would be an “invasion of personal privacy”.

    Cuomo: vaccine passports are not an invasion of privacy

    Ok, I’ll stop before I drive everyone on here nuts today …

    #73800
    Germ
    Participant

    #73801
    zerosum
    Participant

    I heard you
    “..two triple-mutant varieties..”, an “immune escape variant”.

    Fun with numbers:
    “..your base survival rate was not 98% since that presumes you got infected — it was in fact 99.8% like you would survive the year without dying from Covid to start with!”

    “Currently, only 1 percent of coronavirus vaccines are going to low-income countries..”

    Eventually, the immune system of some people will protect the body from the new virus varieties and the the symbiotic relationship will continue.
    Competition makes one stronger.

    Maybe you can Chose.
    Immunity will happen, like removing a band aid, slow or fast.
    Achieving Immunity could be overwhelming the medical system or not.
    Eventually, resources will run out to support the immune system with vaccines.

    There are 10^13 cells and 10^14 microscopic bugs living in your body. That is 10X more. Without that symbiotic relationship you die.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4991899/
    Revised Estimates for the Number of Human and Bacteria Cells in the Body
    – Ron Sender,

    #73802
    zerosum
    Participant

    Did the accountants and the lawyers make those laws for the bankers to do this to people who were not taught math.
    “the country’s biggest banks were gouging the poorest Americans for billions of dollars in punitive fees.
    If you consider the fee as a payment the customer makes for the extension of credit for the overdrawn amount, a 2008 Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) study showed that these fees carry an effective APR in excess of 3,500 percent!”

    #73804
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    I wonder if Zelensky is covertly playing Putin’s game, and that NATO is the sucker jumping for the bait. Zelensky is a smart fellow. He HAS to know tha an alliance with Russia is his nation’s only hope.

    ^&*

    “Dave Collum: Things Are Not So Apocalyptic, But A Moderate Doomsday Scenario Looks Probable”

    And now for the weather forecast over the Sodom and Gomorrah twin cities region…

    ^&*

    Here’s some Professor Bhakdi on youtube.

    One thing a smart AI algorithm working to sow disinformation would do is randomly dissolve working links. This gets a person to think they’re being censored. THey tell others. Others look it up and see it’s still on youtube. One becomes discredited that way, deemed a crank. But… the link really did dissolve. Also, the filters for The Netherlands are probably different from here in the States.

    A powerful tactic for preventing people from making sense of the patterns they experience is to randomly intrude nonsense into those patterns.

    #73805
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    “There are 10^13 cells and 10^14 microscopic bugs living in your body. That is 10X more. Without that symbiotic relationship you die.”

    We are so much more than we know, yes?

    #73806
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    “Pentagon Deploys Additional Forces to Afghanistan Over Fears of Taliban Attacks
    The US is sending B-52 bombers to Afghanistan and keeping an aircraft carrier in the Gulf
    by Dave DeCamp Posted onApril 23, 2021CategoriesNewsTagsAfghanistan
    The US is deploying additional forces to Afghanistan and the surrounding regions to aid in President Biden’s plan to withdraw all combat troops by September 11th.”

    From antiwar

    How priceless can it get? Do some nasty carpet bombing taking out wowzer numbers of civilians, probably, make it look like we’ve done something halfway victorious, I dunno, and then use 911’s 20th anniversary as a celebration date to brag on it.

    It’s hard to imagine a more psychotic and delusional strategy.

    (Watch the carrier have to go home because of malfunction issues. It would hardly surprise at this point.)

    #73807
    madamski cafone
    Participant
    #73808
    a kullervo
    Participant

    Humans operate within two modes:

    a) To diminish suffering (stoicism; resources are channelled towards the collective ⇒ anabolism – society builds.)

    b) To maximize pleasure (epicureanism; resources are channelled towards the individual/small groups ⇒ catabolism – society disintegrates.)

    The prevalence of one of these modes over the other during a certain time period fully characterizes the zeitgeist (the undercurrents of societal trends/behaviour, if you prefer.)

    For some, life’s hardships boils down to:
    a) How to be a stoic in epicurean times; or
    b) How to be an epicurean in stoic times.

    #73809
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    An article in The Lancet Infectious Diseases lists reasons why children shouldn’t be given the Covid vaccines.

    1. “using the same approach for delivering vaccines as in adults could exacerbate the incidence of this hyperinflammatory condition [multisystem inflammatory syndrome].

    2. “There is little evidence of secondary infection from children to others in the transmission pathways of COVID-19… vaccinating children cannot be justified if… minimal burden of disease or… if children do not constitute a substantial reservoir for transmission.”

    3. “from an ethical perspective… in offering a COVID-19 vaccine to children that will offer minimal or no direct benefit to the recipient, no benefit to the public, and as yet, unknown medium-term and long-term risks to the recipient.”

    “COVID-19 herd immunity by immunisation: are children in the herd?”
    Stephen Obaro, April 19, 2021

    Overall, the disease burden in children has been reasonably mild, even in those with comorbidities, such as oncological conditions.

    Current vaccines that are authorised for emergency use, approved or in development, do not have a safety or immunogenicity profile in children. In the absence of a better understanding of the pathogenesis of this condition, using the same approach for delivering vaccines as in adults could exacerbate the incidence of this hyperinflammatory condition [multisystem inflammatory syndrome].

    Second, from a public health perspective, it will be necessary to immunise children if they are a major source of SARS-CoV-2 transmission and if the candidate vaccines block transmission. However, epidemiological reports up to now suggest that young children have a high likelihood of developing COVID-19 via household transmission, once a family member tests positive for COVID-19. There is little evidence of secondary infection from children to others in the transmission pathways of COVID-19. Although emerging data suggest that some candidate vaccines can block transmission, vaccinating children cannot be justified if it is to give direct protection despite minimal burden of disease or to help to block transmission if children do not constitute a substantial reservoir for transmission.

    Third, from an ethical perspective, there is a balance between risk and benefit in offering a COVID-19 vaccine to children that will offer minimal or no direct benefit to the recipient, no benefit to the public, and as yet, unknown medium-term and long-term risks to the recipient.

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00212-7/fulltext

    #73810
    Germ
    Participant

    @ Doc – thank you.

    They ARE going after our kids though.
    See:

    https://tinyurl.com/xxv8mh2w

    #73811
    Germ
    Participant

    The is the fear porn we are fed all day, every day, by the BBC here in the UK

    Terrifying parents into wanting their own kids to get vaccinated.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/health-56765176

    Just today’s front page – All fear, all the time:
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-56870410
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56874018
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-56872266

    #73812
    Susan C
    Participant

    I’ve sent Dr. Bhakdi’s youtube video to several friends as recently as yesterday. It’s good there are other sources but I’m also pleased to report youtube hasn’t deleted everything (yet).
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyPjAfNNA-U

    #73813
    Germ
    Participant

    The most extraordinary video I have yet seen on SARS Cov 19
    It left me almost speechless.

    Please watch it all.

    #73814

    I think I’m finally catching on about kovid:

    original strain = 1 mask
    double mutant strain = 2 masks
    triple mutant strain = 3 masks

    In Greece, with Greek Orthodox Easter coming up May 2, the government would love to ban the whole thing, but the clergy won’t let them, and they do have that power.

    So the compromise is everyone attending church services has to double mask. Pun intended: they all save face. Another first for me.

    #73815
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    “The is the fear porn we are fed all day, every day”

    And about the time the people don’t believe a word the authorities say, a major cris will come along running smack into the Cry Wolf! symdrome.

    #73816
    Maxwell Quest
    Participant

    “This is the fear porn we are fed all day, every day, by the BBC here in the UK”

    As Yogi Berra would say, “It’s like Déjà vu all over again.”

    V for Vendetta (2005) – V on TV Scene

    #73817
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    And about the time the people don’t believe a word the authorities say, a major cris will come along running smack into the Cry Wolf! symdrome.

    Ain’t that just always how it is? Once my mother passes from this world, I’m probably going to be increasingly indifferent to what ultimately happens to me or this trashy, narcissistic society of ours. My attitude will be, when my number is up, my number is up, that’s all.

    #73818
    Dave Note
    Participant

    Half the world, 3.5 billion or so, are never going to be vaccinated for a variety of reasons.

    The practical effect of that is spelled out by Geert Vanden Bossche

    You will have a never ending bottomless pit reservoir of continuous mutations.

    This short circuits of whole raison d’être of having everyone in the US and EU vaccinated. What’s the point if an endless supply of vaccine resistant mutations are produced in the other half of the world population not deemed ‘worthy’ of ‘saving’ with the money tree mRNA con job?

    #73819
    Dave Note
    Participant

    Especially with Bedpan Biden’s woke ‘Open Border’ policy.

    The other unvaccinated half of the world will just waltz in unchecked

    #73820
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    @ MIster Roboto

    “Ain’t that just always how it is? Once my mother passes from this world, I’m probably going to be increasingly indifferent to what ultimately happens to me or this trashy, narcissistic society of ours. My attitude will be, when my number is up, my number is up, that’s all.”

    Ah, freedom. My favorite drug after love.

    $%^

    Wait till the first phone vaccine scandal emerges.

    #73821
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    Uh, phony.

    #73822
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    from CHSMith:

    “The extreme polarization that now characterizes American politics seems to be infecting every nook and cranny of life. This article is a representative survey of how this polarization is driving physical migration and digital/asset migration as the economy and finance bifurcate along the political fault lines: The United States Of Two Americas.

    “It’s now a common experience to be baited with leading questions or comments by new acquaintances to discover, as an old friend put, “whether to hate you or approve of you.”

    “Though I can’t find any references to this phenomenon, I discern a new Us and Them beyond the ideological Us and Them (Conservative/Right vs Progressive/Left): Us being the non-ideological and Them being the ideological of any camp, with the non-ideological being in an invisible territory that is within a nation-state’s boundaries but outside the ideological context of the State (government).

    “For this silent Us, the demands to pick a political / ideological side is very much like being presented with two teams playing an unknown (and apparently aimless) sport in a distant land and being badgered to pick our favorite team: the sport, the teams and the entire context of the question are simply of no interest to us.”

    #73823
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    “Covid 19: Taking Stock” by Dr. Malcolm Kendrick

    Unfortunately, when I look to the voices on ‘the other side’ for balance they seem to have gone just as mad in the opposite directions. ‘Vaccination will kill hundreds of millions, women will be made sterile, it will drive the virus to mutate into a deadly, deadly, deadly, killer.’ Look, I am perfectly willing to accept that these vaccines were rushed through and may cause some significant health problems – some deaths. Which have already happened. But nothing destroys credibility faster than screaming blue bloody murder.

    #73824
    VietnamVet
    Participant

    PR news (propaganda) is siloed to reinforce existing ethnic and class divisions to maintain the status quo.

    The risks of getting COVID-19 are simply not clear at all. This is intentional in order to sell as many mRNA jabs as possible. Clearly the US government is not telling the whole truth. It is using the vaccines to compensate for a failed 50 state public health system.

    The risks of COVID-19 are substantial and real for the elderly, obese, diabetic, and already ill. John Hopkins says my risk is 4.8 out of 10. Coronavirus is highly contagious. It travels in the air as an aerosol. In a quarantine hotel, it infected occupants across the hall when the door was open for only 50 seconds.

    For the young, yes, the risks are less, but there is still a chance of getting long COVID or dying. It has been shown that outbreaks occur when schools are reopened. Claims that say that kids don’t transmit the virus to grandparents in multi-generational homes are false. Younger patients are being hospitalized in the US due to the rise of the UK variant.

    In neoliberal nations, the privatized healthcare system is unable to process the overload. India families are begging for oxygen for their ill. The virus is endemic in South Asia, Europe and the Americas. In the endemic regions of the world there is no testing for the virus and variants in real time for everyone, comprehensive contact tracing, or free safe quarantine facilities. You are on your own. Isolation works if you can afford it but has side effects. Hugging others is risky, even outdoors. Vaccination lowers risks significantly but apparently still allows transmission of the virus; most likely allowing the virus to remain endemic in populations without a comprehensive national public health system.

    As an individual, if you get sick and die, that is it. Population risks don’t matter. What is frightening is an unvaccinated Kentucky nursing home worker spread the virus to 22 vaccinated residents and workers — one died. Sooner or later, humans and the virus will coexist as another common cold. Where deadly strains are still endemic, there will be no go zones, isolated by strong borders, or civilization will have collapsed.

    But then, like war, afterwards, you will only meet people who were lucky, prudent or both. The maimed will be ignored. The pandemic named but forgotten.

    #73825
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Germ
    The most extraordinary video I have yet seen on SARS Cov 19
    It left me almost speechless.

    Zounds; I listened to the whole “bloody” thing.
    …and bloody it is…
    Dr. Fleming is very articulate and, for me, the term “gain of function”, pretty much clinched it…..
    Dr. Josef Mengele would be proud; we learned well from the Nazis…

    I do thank you for that video…it would be easy to not listen, but then, I’m a sucker for facts and good science; ignorance can kill a fellow.
    …and especially regarding this experiment on the worlds humans…
    What really chaps my ass is that most of us won’t take the hard road to reality; opting instead for a puff or a drink or……………..

    #73826
    Germ
    Participant

    Cheers V. Arnold – glad you watched it and hope many more do too.

    I think that, as bizarre as it sounds, one issue to consider now is whether vaccinated people shed the spike protein.

    There are reported cases of babies getting sick when consuming mother’s milk from vaccinated mothers.
    And cases of people who are not vaccinated developing strange rashes, and other symptoms, after being in close contact with vaccinated partners (like sharing a bed).

    Seems like over the next 18-24 months a lot more will come into focus.
    Espcially re. ADE and other vaccine side effects.

    Good luck all – it’s gonna get weird.

    #73827
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Good luck all – it’s gonna get weird.

    555, I think we’ve already arrived at weird…
    …it’s what is next that worries me and ADE is scary indeed……
    By the way, in Thai language the number 5 is Ha…so, 555 is ha ha ha… 😉

    #73828
    Germ
    Participant

    And you thought the Sars-Cov-2 chimera was bad?

    We ‘ain’t seen nothing yet :

    https://www.rt.com/news/521232-first-chimeric-human-monkey-embryos/

    #73829
    Germ
    Participant

    Front page of today’s BBC:

    FEAR

    https://www.bbc.com/news/56876695

    #73830
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Front page of today’s BBC:

    FEAR

    “They”know all of our buttons; fear being a super-duper, giant red one…
    …and I feel why it works; fighting every day to keep fear at bay…
    A great exercise in being constantly in the present; works wonders to keep me sane during these times.
    We’re experiencing a 3rd wave here in Thailand; setting new records every day; both in case numbers and deaths…
    So, double plus on the now… 😉

    #73842
    Dr. D
    Participant

    “two triple-mutant varieties..”, an “immune escape variant”.

    Well, every other variant has been fake, a lie, neither more contagious nor more dangerous, probably this one will be too. Why? Say it with me: “Because they said it, it’s a lie.”

    “Talk about condescending language”

    Showing I’m still far too optimistic, I was still shocked by the brazen insult. But what should I expect from people who kill brown people for sport? And to them the Greeks and the Slavs are “brown people”. Ask Athens, as they “let” them sell all their national assets to China so they are “allowed” to give the proceeds to Germany. Oh and all 95% Red counties.

    ““Number one, we have a special responsibility to the American people. Number two, the American people, this country has been hit harder than any other country around the world”

    Don’t put yourself out on my behalf. Also the U.S. has been hit harder – measurably, as is going to court right now – because Cuomo and Whitmer actively killed 20,000 grandmas per state, RADICALLY increasing the death toll. We should do this every year: put a deuce-half full of bullets into every nursing home, then claim they were killed by seasonal flu. You can sell tickets to Bezos and the Ivy League crowd to personally make a day of it and pull the triggers, since that’s what Fauci and the pharma bois do anyway, adding Lockheed, Boeing, and Amazon. Murder by Numbers, 1, 2, 3. One murder is a crime and a tragedy, 50,000 is a profitable success.

    Surely I jest. I’m overblown.

    “Big Pharma Employs Army Of Lobbyists To Block Generic Covid-19 Vaccines (IC)”
    “ Cuomo Blocks Release Of Covid Nursing Home Data Sent To Feds (NYP)”

    Nope. They will block all medicine and kill every man, woman, and child if they have to. They get a promotion. If you don’t kill at least 5-digits, or steal 8, you’re just not Presidential material like Cuomo is.

    …And they say the U.S. was hardest hit. Gee, I wonder why.

    “Putin Invites Zelensky To Moscow For Discussions On ‘Bilateral Relations’ (RT)”

    Speaking of shocking language, Ukraine minister says Russia must dismantle their troops now. Um, what? 100% of those troops are standard Russian troops, IN RUSSIA. Where did you THINK they would be? In 400 military bases worldwide, i.e. everywhere except defending their own borders, like the U.S. does?

    How DARE they have troops in their own country. That’s CLEARLY an act of aggression.” As you see, anything but rolling over and handing your daughters to St. James and your national resources to Hermitage and Black Rock is “Aggression” that must be bombed and murdered into its natural state of freedom.

    “ Pentagon Deploys More Forces to Afghanistan Over Fears”

    Typical American. So…you’re deploying forces for exactly no reason at all, you’re saying nothing has happened? And we are going to continue to be aggressive and attack so long as MY feelings, my fee-fees, living inside me, that I only claim exist, aren’t in their “safe space” and perfectly happy as any infant? Yes. That is EXACTLY what they mean, there and at home. I want. Submit or die.

    Biden’s Plan To Create Over 10 Million Well-Paying Jobs With His Clean Energy Initiative”

    Only a non-paper like Forbes could write such a thing. I wonder if they bid on MI6 money like their pals at Reuters. We may have jobs digging potatoes with shovels, but we won’t be burning any heating oil doing it. 100% emissions by 2060? Gosh, and I thought a 50% reduction by 2030 sounded stupid. Clearly I had no idea what real stupid was.

    Hey, where’s that chart of all energy usage, where renewables have DOUBLED in the last ten years? …Oh, and still counts for 5% of all energy. Worse, zero of that energy is mobile. …I say that with electric cars, as you’re basically taking the smelting energy for lithium and driving it a while, especially since we have no recycling. Dum, Dumer, Dumest. Certain path to murdering every poor person on the planet more thoroughly than Ukraine and Holocaust combined. As Russell Means said: “I do not intend to be a national sacrifice people. I do not intend to be a national sacrifice zone.”

    “What kind of society allows this overdrafts?”

    A Fauciist state. Where government and monopoly have merged against all freedom and competition. And is run by the oligarchs, FOR the oligarchs, who are now so talentless and stupid they can’t even tell. …And that’s The End. Of every culture. The stupid use their power to install more stupid: their children, and make more stupid plans they’re too stupid to realize are stupid. So stupid now any Nascar viewer can outthink them.

    The Heroic Congressional Fight to Save the Rich (Taibbi)”

    Taibbi misses a key thing here, or doesn’t emphasize it: the law was specifically created to TRANSFER wealth FROM Kentucky, TO New York. FROM Oklahoma, TO California. How else did you think flyoverland was run like a Belgian colony? To be beaten like baby seals? The subhuman untermensch, now being identified, marked, and rounded up?

    Goes to the complains about why I’m against “helping”: my take is, you don’t wouldn’t need any help if they hadn’t stolen all your money, human rights, and free agency in the first place. “Helping” is when the government gives you back what they shouldn’t have stolen in the first place. Then like any psycho, expect you to be grateful and say thank you. “Thank you, you’re so wonderful, for today, this one time, you DIDN’T kill my kids in front of me. Oh thank you Ted Bundy, you’re a benevolent god.” Tomorrow like Dred Pirate Roberts, they MIGHT not kill you again.

    Don’t take the money from Kentucky in the first place and hand it to the nation’s richest folks, then you wouldn’t need to give it back to the desperate suicidal. …But that wouldn’t be POWER then would it?

    So no, I’m not in favor of philanthropists who give money to their tax-free vaccine trust after having toppled 20 governments because they don’t want to up the wages to 6c a day. I wouldn’t know HOW to be so narrow minded as to see only one side of the coin, one leg of the elephant like that.

    Speaking of: “Plato, Aristophanes and Aristotle on Money-Lust (Michael Hudson)”

    Generally, what happens is that money, inflation, greed, etc, are the CONSEQUENCES of bad former action, then they go looking for the right scapegoats, like unemployed GameStop short sellers making $10k a year. No kidding: remember that guy they said caused the ‘08 flash crash or something who lived in his parent’s London basement? Yeah, that guy: he’s your real enemy, not a single one of us taking $23T in bailout money, or the $40T missing untracked money in gov’t books.

    Beware of this.

    What’s the point if only half get vaccinated? Um, because supposedly it protects the vaccinated from dying? Who cares about anything/anyone else. Of course according themselves (booster) and their own behavior (masks) they clearly believe it does not work. As the vac nursing home deaths happening all over the planet attest.

    We have heard that a Vac problem may be that the spike protein itself is the disease. So although it’s without the virus, you are making the cells produce it, it’s essentially having the same effect. It seems the effect may be lower, first go-round at least, but the hypothesis is sensible. So it’s not an immune identifier, it’s the method/killer.

    Much as I highlight the problems and think they’re intentional, I think they’re a bunch of losers and nature will effortlessly outsmart them again. The reason they need “booster” is that the disease didn’t kill enough people, and Fauci’s paid for “gain-of-function” was a bust. Outside Wuhan anyway. The vaccine is also being shrugged off by the body and not killing enough people or setting them up to be killed. Same thing with ebola they tried so hard to create and tested throughout Africa. It just won’t stick. Nature, biology, just outflanks them in no time.

    But we’ll have to see. Problem from my perspective is because it will mostly fail no one will then believe it was intentional and remove those of bad intent and action, and the cycle is allowed to repeat forever. ‘Cause daddy government/billionaire/party member would never hurt me. They love me!

    #74126
    Wiziard
    Participant

    There are a lot of stamps that are available for any disease. Take for example a herpes infection. There are already 4 types of them, and there is a genotype and a hereditary predisposition. Covid was a long-standing disease, back in 2012, when I wanted to buy xrp with a credit card. Then the world went crazy, people began to be vaccinated forcibly-to go to kindergarten, school, get a job. Health workers were required to be vaccinated. I don’t mind when it’s appropriate and done wisely. Children can carry diseases on their feet. But when it comes to an unexplored vaccine, I’m against it.

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