Debt Rattle August 14 2022

 

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    Afewknowthetruth
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    John Day

    Up to a point.

    You have to bear in mind that the local council and the regional council are still on the ‘obliterate nature’ bandwagon promoted by central government and other of acolytes of the WEF etc.

    Just heard yet another anecdote relating to jabs.:

    A friend’s son bought a car yesterday, and the seller is furious with the government because, having had three jabs that he was reluctant to take but was essentially forced into, now finds his health severely compromised. and unable to work.

    Just one more of many of thousands in NZ. Maybe hundreds of thousands now.

    I have been saying for many years that they will just keep doing it until they can’t.

    ‘doing it’ means

    Destroying natural systems

    Constructing infrastructure and systems with a very short-term future or no future at all.

    Degrading the health of the populace.

    Promoting the fouling of the air, water and land.

    Lying to the masses.

    Of course, the maniacs in control have been doing such things for such a long time they are habitual.

    Which takes me back to ‘until they can’t’.

    September looks to be the critical month on many fronts.

    I must get on with uncompleted projects.

    #113464
    John Day
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    #113465
    John Day
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    @AFewKnowTheTruth: That all sounds about right, Brother.

    #113466
    aspnaz
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    Dr D said:

    Almost all revolutions lead to something worse, or at least no better. To win that next pitfall, you need to have principles, moral high ground, and great sacrifice and forbearance.

    It may appear to lead to something worse but that is fear talking. When nature triggers the fire that rages through society, the tree may think that life was better with the thick undergrowth of government, but the tree cannot see that the fire is needed to clear the way for the new, stronger trees to lead the forest into the future. The chaos, heat, smoke of the fire may appear to be a terrible event, but without it the forest will die from the gradual suffocation of new trees, suffocation hiden under the undergrowth. After the fire all is black and appears to be dead, the weak trees and undergrowth are cleared, the soil is covered in ash, but these are the necessary conditions for new life to strengthen and to add renewal to the forest. These are the difficult conditions that create the strong men that will be needed to build something new.

    #113467
    WES
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    It seems like the Russians are having more trouble finding Ukrainians to target.
    Daily artillery strikes has fallen off from over 900 per day to just over a hundred a day.
    Daily drone shootings are now less than 10 per day.
    Military vehicles destroyed less than 50 per day.
    Cancelled Ukrainians are only a few hundred a day now.
    With these lower rates of losses, the Ukrainians might now be able to replace their daily losses.
    The Ukrainian central bank is printing money to pay for the war.
    Clearly the Ukrainians are winning.

    #113468
    aspnaz
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    Afewknowthetruth said:

    I have been saying for many years that they will just keep doing it until they can’t.

    ‘doing it’ means

    Destroying natural systems

    Humans have been destroying natural systems for ever. Look at NZ, it used to be covered in trees, used to be rat free, used to have kiwis, used to be possum free, used to be majority indigenous etc. NZ is now farmland, mostly owned by white farmers, all the trees have been cut down by their ancestors, we are left with huge swathes of farmland. A few of the natural aesthetics have been preserved due to their difficulty from a farming perspective, I am thinking of the likes of Fiordland, and some have been preserved as parks, and some as predator-free places. Don’t get me wrong, some nice places have survived, but they are in the gaps in the devastation.

    Of course, what people see as natural systems depends on what they are exposed to as children. I lived in the Serengeti as a child: It was mostly empty apart from animals and a few indigenous villages and we sometimes traveled on foot for days, hunting animals in the areas that were not game parks. My view of the nature is different to that of people who see a garden or vegetable patch as being in touch with nature. Of course, both are in touch with nature but some argue that a garden is about as in touch with nature as your living room, the difference only being the size of the bugs.

    The reality is that nature is all around us, people are naturally selfish so they bemoan the lost aesthetic, but gardeners will still use pesticides and fertilizer to make their flowers look better than the neighbours’. There is no preserving, there is just motion forward, like language, it never stands still.

    #113469
    aspnaz
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    Which reminds me, wasn’t it the Maori Whanau leaders who got the offshore dredging/drilling stopped? The white man’s government would have been happy to destroy NZ’s offshore habitat for money, the Maori prevented that disaster although the white man will no-doubt soon change the rules to enable him to triumph and sell those rights to the Chinese.

    Technology is man’s weapon against the environment. Man uses technology to tear up the environment and extract what he wants., to create something new, concrete and hideous. Technology will keep out the bugs, keep the temperature and humidity under control, keep the food arriving, keep the children indoors playing video games and out of harms way, the dangers of the natural environment.

    The Chinese hate nature. They see the sea as dirty, so very few swim, of those who do the majority will not swim in the sea. The women dislike the sun because it makes them tanned and a tan means you are a low class asian, not a high class asian. Gardens are seen as dirty, so most people want apartments and do not want house plants. Their one contradiction is with pets, they do like handbag pets, the little yappy dogs that never get to socialise with other dogs and so are permanently “yappy”.

    This is nature. White asians, uncoordinated fat you-tube children and wolves bred to be yappies.

    #113479
    Afewknowthetruth
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    aspnaz

    Indeed.

    The Maori arrived in the thirteenth century, just a few canoe loads (300 people?), and by the time the first Europeans got serious about incorporating NZ into the empire (stripping it of resources and turning nature into sheep farms, and then dairy farms) the Maori had exterminated several species and had spent several centuries in a state of armed conflict [between tribes], fighting over occupation of the best land and other resources.

    I have seen the pictures of the ‘development’ of Taranaki in the late 1800s to early 1900s. Chop down the trees, take what can be moved easily and sold, and burn the rest to make way for pasture.

    When guano no longer is available, strip Christmas Island and Nauru of phosphate rock (British Phosphate Commission) and turn them into moonscapes. And when all the phosphate rock there has been removed, find somewhere else to strip-mine.

    Overload ecosystems with phosphate and other growth stimulants via run-off, and then wonder why the lakes are full of toxic algae. Overstock the land and then wonder why the rivers are unswimmable.

    Set up a tourism sector that is totally dependent on ostentatious consumption of fossil fuels, and then describe that as a component of ‘a sustainable economy’.

    Not forgetting ‘Clean coal’ of course.

    I think this, from New Plymouth District Council takes the cake, though: “Nature is appreciated and will be enhanced.”

    It is ‘Clean green NZ’, don’t you know.

    By the way, I believe there are only two countries that use 1080 (animal poison), the US and NZ. And NZ uses about 80% of what is manufactured.

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