Debt Rattle January 24 2023

 

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  • #127033
    WES
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    Aspnaz:

    What you observe is no shock to me. In the Toronto area, Markham is a duplicate of Orange County, California. It is basically a Chinese gated city where Chinese is spoken and stores have Chinese signs.

    I find your comments very interesting, probably because I have been more places than the average bear, so when someone complains about Rome’s 4 traffic jams a day, I know why! And yes I can pick up an individually grain of rice with chop sticks!

    So please do keep your comments coming!

    #127034
    Michael Reid
    Participant


    Claudio Grass: Davos Man Will Fail, World Will Move Toward Decentralization

    Claudio Grass discusses the global push for the centralization of power (e.g. planet lockdown, metaverse, global government), why it will fail, leaving the system, and why the future is more decentralized. The artificial war in Ukraine is the old agenda (e.g. Mackinder, Brzezinski) that Europe and Eurasia should never come together. He views the East versus West conflict as one giant puppet show.

    Claudio Grass: Davos Man Will Fail, World Will Move Toward Decentralization

    #127035
    WES
    Participant

    About trying to warn people against getting vaxxed.

    It is simply a completely futile effort to try and warn people about the dangers of taking the covid vaccine. These people, having taken the vaccine shots, all have a vested “emotional” interest in defending the vaccines.

    They are all suffering from “Stockholm Syndrome” and will actively defend the vaccines, and tell you that you are the crazy one.

    If they ever wake up, before they die, it will have to come from the MSM.

    Instead of thanking you for trying to warn them, they will instead “emotionally” blame you for the harms the vaccines caused them.

    This is what humans do. Blame those who are closest to them!

    #127036
    jb-hb
    Participant

    people who did not not-vaccinate went through 2 distinctly separate phases:

    1. Procrastination
    2. Due Diligence

    Dilbert/Scott Adams seems to mistake, in his competition between heuristics, procrastination for decision.

    SOME people that did not take the injection which does not vaccinate did due diligence immediately. not many.

    Many procrastinated until monumental pressure was coming from all quarters. Many more procrastinated until specific threats were leveled against them – inability to travel, inability to visit sick loved ones, loss of job.

    The KEY DIFFERENTIATION is that when WE said “OK maybe I will take this injection,” we then did due diligence while THEY said the same thing to themselves, then went ahead WITHOUT doing due diligence.

    Some people who ended up taking the injection which does not vaccinate ALSO procrastinated. So whatever heuristic procrastination might be, both sides practiced it to some extent. How could it therefore be the “winning” heuristic?

    #127037
    WES
    Participant

    The battle of the tanks.

    So far this week, Russia hasn’t destroyed any tanks in the Ukraine. Shocking, I know!

    Watching the politicians raising trial ballons in the MSM about how they aren’t going to send US/German tanks to the Ukraine, was always about sending such tanks to the Ukraine. But first the puppet show to pave the way.

    We wouldn’t want the Russians to get rusty, killing tanks, due to a lack of target practice, now would we?

    I am quite concerned about how the Ukrainians are going to learn how to drive these rather complicated tanks before the war ends.

    To the best of my knowledge, the Russians have agreed to prolong the war, until the Ukrainians figure out how to put the tanks into first gear.

    You don’t have to be an expert on tanks to know all tanks are vulnerable from the top while well protected at the front. Thus all tanks fear 152mm artillery! They especially fear rockets with big warheads, that sneak in above, from the rear!

    The Russian will resume their “top-down” warfare as soon as the Ukrainians are ready.

    #127038
    Veracious Poet
    Participant

    #127039
    WES
    Participant

    Noirette:

    Al Gore made his money the same way his father did, in Washington, DC. Naturally he inherited a corrupted “silver spoon” fortune from his father and proceeded to grow it further via the same corruption.

    These days this is now perfectly legal.

    If Al Gore ever shows up at my cottage, I will burn him, to see how many BTUs he emits, to fight global cooling!

    #127041
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    I didn’t get the jab because it was experimental and obviously rushed, and the attendant phenomena (masks, lockdowns) were obviously not directed by proven medical principles but by politics-for-profit (is there any other kind?)

    #127042
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    Warning about the vax: the kid who said that the emperor was both disbelieved and punished.

    #127043
    WES
    Participant

    Swamp Sowing Classified Documents.

    Here is the list of people who the deep state has now disqualified from running for President in 2024.

    1. Donald Trump
    2. Joe Biden
    3. Mike Pence

    #127044
    WES
    Participant

    Bosco:

    Yeah, that was the kid’s true fate!
    Probably tortured before dying, to make an example of.
    That naturally never happens these days.

    #127046
    Dr. D
    Participant

    “DOJ Prepares to Slap Google with Antitrust Suit over Ad Monopoly”

    Again, this is Biden’s DoJ. So why do they suddenly seem to have a complete reversal? They’re not even doing GOP things, they are doing MAGA things.

    “Another VP who had no business taking docs home. A pattern? Who else had what at which home?”

    Yes, it’s a setup, a script, but to what? How about: “If everyone has classified docs, absolutely everywhere, in the D.C. bus station laboratory, then it won’t be any big deal if we “declassify” a bunch of things“. …About a President from Massachusetts, for example. And a certain southwest Area that has a number-name.

    …Because to me the key about the docs is that they’re blank pages. Nobody’s said, suggested, whispered about a single word printed on them. I know they’re Top Secret, but that’s not plausible. So what are they? Maybe “What” doesn’t matter and isn’t the point.

    Aspnaz: what can I say? I live here. The best cure for Americans is to leave them at home where they’ll pick fights with their neighbors and steal their chainsaw. It’s not like the French or British are nice or didn’t attack Russia too. That’s why I posted General Washington: we’re not supposed to be going anywhere or doing anything, we’re not supposed to have the money to do so. There’s not even supposed to be a standing army (TBD).

    Tell me about China if you want. I know they’re not Socialist. If they ever were, certainly not since Deng. As I said, it’s a favor as that what THEY say. Similarly our systems are almost identical at this point, although they may have arrived here from the Left and we from the Right, so to speak. Just: if all names are a lie, how are you supposed to communicate about it? That is of course why I pipe up just as much about how we are not Capitalist and haven’t been in decades or +100 years. Sorry I wrote was too unclear about who was “Us” and “Them” concerning Capitalism in my last post on it, it was sloppy.

    Phoenix: I am utterly amazing that people projecting are so accurate and unaware. I don’t get it at all and never saw it like this before (maybe I was mostly around healthy people or those with different mental illness). I thought it was an occasional trope seen at extremes. No, for some reason. Then we have the problem that if they are so obvious, why isn’t it better known? Maybe not by us discovering it, but as general society awareness? Maybe like me, it didn’t used to be so common or so extreme? I think the engineers have hit narcissism like a hammer for decades. It’s a personality trait that’s easy to enhance and more useful to them. I noted it went ‘round the bend with the “i” phone and the “i” pad. I would consider even using the word “I” to be somewhat offputting, much less branding to narcissism. Instead, PERFECTLY popular. Delighted.

    I was most surprised by people having NO interest. In any thing. NOTHING. They know ahead of time they don’t want to hear what they have no idea I will say. Wow. I thought only I was psychic, but clearly all these normal people are.

    Next, that people, of friends and family, husbands and wives, trusted circles thought NOTHING of my judgment. Nothing. I was less than nothing: they will literally believe ANY billionaire corporation with billion-dollar fines before me. Or even CONSIDERING me. I don’t expect to be right, and I’m not clearly, I expect to be CONSIDERED. Relevant. Heard. As if I am a human animal standing there, perhaps as deserving as their cat. A guy who reads stuff, is pretty smart and was right about the Iraq War and mortgage crisis for example. No, no, and no. Actual humans in person do not exist because: the blue square. Which lied every time all 20 years before. And they were the same people exactly one minute ago said “Burn it all down, I hate evil corporations who are always lying, medicine is a racket run by insurance companies, now would you like to come with me for the next “Occupy” protest trying to legalize herbal medicine.”

    I suppose I am still too shocked by that to have a reaction. I remain nearly as speechless now because it’s still going on now. So as all your friends and family, your wife for example, still consider you to be a zero person, a non-entity, lower in value than a block of wood. What response CAN you have? Maybe they should marry Gates or Bezos, I guess?

    …And they don’t see this. Day after day, back-to-back, billionaires bad; what billionaire says is true and good. FBI attacks black people, plants evidence; FBI is true and right, all cases in the news are true. Day after day, 40 months, 40 years in a row.

    I don’t understand how that exists for more than a few seconds, so I’m unable to predict what it is, and if/when it will ever end.

    I didn’t get a chance to warn any vaxxers in person. I got as far as “Hey, but don’t we all hate sand worms lying big-business money-grubbing, class-action paying pharmaceutical companies?” and even THAT was cause for alarm and leap to defense of Jamie Dimon Pfizer. So I DID start to tell you. If you won’t hear that, you sure won’t hear this I’ll tell you next. That’s their life. I started. I tested. I tried. But I am not you and might be wrong.

    This is AFTER, from the first weeks, being a high-alarmist on Covid as a likely bioweapon or disease. So vs Scott Adams being 100 miles behind the curve, inexplicable, I not only had to see it, I also had to reverse myself. WHICH IS EASY. It’s easy if you followed the Science to begin with, for you go where the data leads, no heuristics or ego involved.

    Graham Hancock has a novel where the gods are causing trouble by stirring thing up on one side, pretending to be an god/angel in Catholic Mexico, 1500. Spoiler alert: the SAME god ALSO is pretending to be the Aztec god, because HIS goal is to make men kill each other, like Mars. Being both sides, both entities to eat their yummy misery is the perfect plan. We seem to have quite a similar god running around right now.

    Barnhardt’s NPD was “Demonic” in that the NPD have allowed something to take hold of them, grow, and essentially displace their innate humanity and love. This seems quite likely as well as technically possible. (Some research required) It doesn’t have to be “Demonic” per se, which is using Christian glossary, how about “Energetic aspect’ as “Spirits” in the “ether”, the All-being? Buddhism has their very real demons too. Every culture society does and always has. Only ours does not. “The best trick the devil ever pulled was to make people think he doesn’t exist.”

    #127047
    John Day
    Participant

    @Aspnaz: Chinese are chopstick slobs. Agreed? Japanese do much better, except when they are in a hurry to eat a bowl of noodles.
    I have an original Chairman Mao t-shirt. Can’t get ’em anymore.
    Go ahead; we’re ready. Tell Us!

    Another story is that Substack links won’t upload again today. (gap between dot and com)
    https://drjohnsblog.substack. com/p/fake-winning

    #127048
    John Day
    Participant

    Davos has lost its luster this year. The big opportunity to build-back-better with COVID-vaccine-passport, lockdowns, “transhumanism”, and green-financial investment scenarios has been a flop, despite plenty of expensive PR and governmental buy-in across most of the planet, excepting Africa, and parts of South America, and rural Florida, Texas, etc. It not only failed to reach escape-velocity, before being pulled back to earth by the gravity of severe adverse events and death, exceeding lives-saved.
    That just became impossible to hide as time went on. Lots of vaxxed and boosted believers are still onboard, and wear masks as they drive and walk their dogs…
    A lot of people just never trusted the control-narrative enough to get the jabs. That 25% or so was more rural, more hands-on, and in the US and Africa, more black. American blacks are less trusting of new big medical things than other demographic groups. They remember how some of those movies have ended, like the Tuskegee syphilis study movie… https://www.cdc.gov/tuskegee/timeline.htm
    Other people, like myself, were working hard to keep up with the available treatment information and actual medical studies, reading preprints when they came out. We found that the government narratives were lagging available information by at least 2 months, and then they were taking the wrong side, the counter-factual side, then doubling down, and punishing those who tried to act for the public health. It seemed like they were just rabidly anti-Trump at first, but then it kept gathering steam, force and momentum What was happening? We’ve now seen the answer to that. It was a control-narrative that had a whole lot of ground to cover to rope everybody into complying completely, getting the shots, staying locked-in, owning nothing and “being happy”, and not thinking independently.
    Some people, “populists”, kept thinking their own thoughts, making their own analysis, and doing whatever they felt was right, in direct opposition to the Fourth Industrial Revolution, explained here by Herr Schwab https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/01/the-fourth-industrial-revolution-what-it-means-and-how-to-respond/
    Those people, like myself, have not been “beaten”, though there has been no shortage of the attempt. Many of us have been fired/defunded and deplatformed, but we didn’t learn from that. We just kept saying what we thought, and looking at each new thing that happened and saying what it looked like, and some of what we said was right. People who were mainly going along to keep their jobs and apartments noticed athletes dying on fields from heart attacks, and heard the rumors that it was from “the shots”, and then they saw it again, then a kid at their kid’s school got myocarditis, and maybe they had a bad reaction themselves.

    The Davos establishment reveals whom it truly fears
    This year’s World Economic Forum featured calls to “master the future” and blamed right-wing populists for the rising distrust in global elites
    https://www.rt.com/news/570287-davos-global-elites-fear/

    ​ The battle for the control-narrative is on now. We see the message of vaccine-injury creeping into mainstream media. The most watched US football game ever got interrupted early by Damar Hamlin’s sudden death, and cardiac-resuscitation on the field. Most people were just looking for some exciting TV escapism on the last day of their winter break holidays, and they didn’t get it. They got slapped in the face by this instead. A doctor came on before Hamlin got to the hospital to assure that “this isn’t from a vaccine or anything”, which he kept repeating.​ “Don’t think of an Elephant”, right?
    If you can’t beat ’em, join ’em. This control-narrative (Platonic “noble lie”, which holds a society together) has fallen on its face. It doesn’t look viable. Fewer people believe it, and more see it as a lie, and as murder.
    What if a rival elite faction is preparing to ride a new, more-truthful control-narrative to power? It’s the obvious thing to do, right?
    What if Elon Musk taking over Twitter, and releasing the Twitter-files, is primarily an attack on existing power elites, as their control-narrative collapses?
    Musk is impish, squirmy, tricky, and avoids getting pinned down. He is able to play the game of global power and politics because he can make dreams happen for power elites, and make them happen on a schedule and a budget, and be at least close to what was agreed. That’s rare.
    Musk might well be less enabling of free-speech than he advertises, but he is certainly re-platforming some voices that current elites want to be silenced.

    ​ ​EU Technocrat Threatens Musk With “Sanctions” Unless He Stamps Out Free Speech On Twitter
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/davos-eu-commisioner-warns-sanctions-against-twitter-unless-musk-complies-eu

    ​ Musk appears to have clearly stated a side in the vaccination-wars. He has done it with subtlety. It’s unmistakable. It is a clear transition.
    (So was Musk lying about getting the shots? Did he get saline? Was he given “special batches for VIPs”. Was he ill-informed enough to get the standard products? What would I prefer to be the case? It’s hard for me to decide.)
    ​ ​Musk responded to the post by revealing that he suffered “major side effects” after receiving his “second booster shot.”
    “I had major side effects from my second booster shot,” Musk tweeted. “Felt like I was dying for several days”.
    “Hopefully, no permanent damage, but I dunno.”
    ​ ​Musk then followed up by revealing that his “young” cousin, who is in “peak health,” suffered myocarditis.
    Myocarditis is an inflammation of the heart which is listed as a possible side effect of some coronavirus vaccines.
    It can cause heart attacks and strokes and lead to death, according to Mayo Clinic.
    ​ ​“And my cousin, who is young & in peak health, had a serious case of myocarditis,” Musk said.
    “Had to go to the hospital.”
    ​ ​In a third post, Musk explained it was not his choice to get the second booster but was a requirement to visit a Tesla location in Berlin, Germany.
    “Was required to visit Tesla Giga Berlin. Not my choice,” he said.

    Elon Musk: ‘Family Member Fighting for Life After COVID Jab Injury’

    #127049
    John Day
    Participant

    Eleni sends this from Professor Paul Craig Roberts (simple, huh?)
    The Scientific Facts Are In: The Covid Virus and Pandemic Are Man-Made. the MRNA “vaccine” Is More Deadly Than the Virus
    https://www.unz.com/proberts/the-scientific-facts-are-in-the-covid-virus-and-pandemic-are-man-made-the-mrna-vaccine-is-more-deadly-than-the-virus/

    The US has sold Abrams tanks, with turbine engines and special transmissions (and internal ammo-loading that will take off an arm or a leg if you make a mistake) to Saudi Arabia, along with a 5 year training program for mechanics and tank crews, and an agreement to actually maintain those tanks with American mechanics. These are reportedly the most complicated main battle tanks in the world, and require years of experience to operate without breaking things and getting killed. They cannot be used this year by Ukrainian crews, not realistically, not effectively.
    They could be used and maintained by NATO crews, but then NATO crews would be going to war against Russia. They could be sent to the front as caskets for Ukrainians. They could sit somewhere doing nothing. (They might be sold to somebody else for cash.) They are only of use to support the false narrative that Ukraine can prevail against Russia in this war, and it won’t fool anybody in Ukraine or Russia. German and French battle tanks are about the same story.

    Battle Tanks For Ukraine Approved On Same Day Doomsday Clock Hits Closest Point To Midnight In History
    ​ ​The Biden administration has said it will send 30 M1 Abrams tanks to Ukraine, in a significant breakthrough and escalation after weeks of debate, as well as division over the issue within the NATO alliance.
    ​ ​Politico’s national security correspondents Alex Ward and Hans von der Burchard are further reporting that with the US ready to pull the trigger, Scholz’s Germany has followed by approving Leopard 2 main battle tanks. Germany is planning to send 14 of its Leopard 2 A6 tanks to Ukrainian forces.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/military/both-us-germany-now-leaning-toward-authorizing-heavy-tanks-ukraine

    Ukraine Rocked By Corruption Scandal, Wave Of Top Officials Resign: Sports Cars, Mansions & Luxury Vacations As People Suffered
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-rocked-corruption-scandal-wave-top-official-resignations-sports-cars-mansions

    Moon of Alabama has some updates. The big push from the south by Russian forces did not begin. It was a head-fake.
    ​ ​I urge people to be careful with corruption allegations in Ukraine. These often come from the extralegal National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU). The bureau was setup in 2014, after the Maidan coup. It was created and controlled by the U.S. embassy. NABU was used in various power plays to remove people who the embassy disliked.​..
    ..There are many of such little reported power plays in Kiev with Zelensky moving more and more into a dictatorial role. Over time his position will become very lonely…
    ​..Prigozhin on the objectives of the actions of PMC “Wagner” in the Artemovsk region.
    “The task of taking Bakhmut is to destroy the Ukrainian army in the vicinity of the city and prevent any offensive actions in any direction of the front. All of their combat-ready units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are sent to Bakhmut. And PMC “Wagner” destroys them, opening up operational opportunities in other areas”​…
    ..Previously, the Pentagon had ruled out providing the tanks to Ukraine, saying they were too complicated for the Ukrainians to maintain and operate. But White House and State Department officials were described as being more open to providing Abrams to break the diplomatic logjam holding up Leopard deliveries.
    ​ ​U.S. Joint Chiefs Chair Milley and Defense Secretary Austin have been against any tank delivery. They are afraid of the consequences of this steady mission creep. The Biden administration steadily blows through each of its own red lines.​..
    ​ ..Team Biden thus has painted the U.S. into a tight Ukraine ‘corner’. But at this stage – realistically – what can the White House do? It cannot withdraw the narrative of Russia’s ‘coming humiliation’ and defeat. They cannot let the narrative go because it has become an existential component to save what it can of the ‘Ponzi’. To admit that Russia ‘has won’ would be akin to saying that the ‘Ponzi’ will have to ‘close the fund’ to further withdrawals (just as Nixon did in 1971, when he shut withdrawals from the Gold window).
    ​https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/01/ukraine-sitrep-no-southern-push-yet-kiev-government-trouble-tanks-and-escalation.html#more

    #127050
    John Day
    Participant

    ​I keep seeing analysis that Russia will massively strike Ukraine from one, two or three directions, and how it might best be done, but there is often the proviso that they are currently chewing up Ukrainian soldiers and western military machines at a low cost to Russia, except artillery, of which they have no shortage. Russian forces continue to build, and to increase their supplies of weapons and material.
    As long as they do this, the US/NATO can maintain some form of the fiction that Russia is suffering terrible losses, can barely move forward, and is going to be counter-attacked again in the spring, when Ukraine receives all those western weapons.
    Maybe Russia will just keep letting the west pay these prices to be slowly chewed up in the meat grinder of Russian artillery.
    “Say what you want to your people. Here is the price you must pay to us.”
    Russia Preparing New Plan to End War

    Russia Preparing New Plan to End War

    ​Charles Hugh Smith has (usually overlooked) perspective on what was accomplished in the US during the 1970s.​
    The 1970s: From Rotting Carcasses Floating in the River to Kayak Races
    If we don’t bother measuring national well-being, the health of the nation’s commons and resources and advances in the public’s interests, then we foolishly call a decade of tremendous advancement “stagflation.”
    http://charleshughsmith.blogspot.com/2023/01/the-1970s-from-rotting-carcasses.html

    #127051
    Veracious Poet
    Participant

    #127052
    hexadec
    Participant

    Curious what replaced the ‘Girls in the Windows’ building I found an article that gave the address as 320 East 58th Street, New York, visible with either google or bing street view. I’ll attempt to include a picture.

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    #127054
    Maxwell Quest
    Participant

    Scott Adams video:

    Is it just me or did anyone else find the Scott Adams video creepy?

    It sounded more like a political concession speech rather than someone who has just come to the realization that he was a victim of the largest psyop the world has ever seen, with all its attending fraud, psychological torture, death, division, and disability inflicted on the global population.

    What were Scott’s concerns? Poor Scotty was the “loser” instead of the “winner”, suffered “defeat” rather than “victory”, turned out to occupy the “weakest” rather than the “strongest” position. What narcissism! “You are the winners. … You won. You won”, he declared. As if on hearing that, all who avoided the vax are going to throw out their chests and gloat. It’s all about winning and losing to him. No mention of anything or anyone else. Completely empty of any meaning, emotion, or realization – the personification of his Dogbert character.

    And the icing on the cake: the anti-vaxxers “won” because they were mistrustful by nature, so essentially this nasty personality trait of theirs just happened to serve them well this time.

    ~~~

    Warning family and friends about the mRNA shots:

    I made one last attempt to warn my sister and her husband about the health dangers of the Covid mRNA shots. My conscience was weighing on me, and if something happened to one of them, I didn’t want to hear, “Why didn’t you warn us if you knew they were dangerous?” I was fairly certain that my warning would fall on deaf ears, which it did, but I decided long ago that my job is to follow my own conscience and do the best I know how, and that I’m not responsible for how others respond. I must own my part, and they theirs.

    If you hold the door open for someone and they walk through without a “thank you”, do you curse them under your breath? If so, why did you hold the door open in the first place? To look good? For recognition? For karma points? Or as a gesture of brotherly love and community?

    #127055
    Maxwell Quest
    Participant

    “Next, that people, of friends and family, husbands and wives, trusted circles thought NOTHING of my judgment. Nothing. I was less than nothing: they will literally believe ANY billionaire corporation with billion-dollar fines before me. Or even CONSIDERING me. I don’t expect to be right, and I’m not clearly, I expect to be CONSIDERED. Relevant. Heard. As if I am a human animal standing there, perhaps as deserving as their cat. A guy who reads stuff, is pretty smart and was right about the Iraq War and mortgage crisis for example.” – Dr D

    Yes, this! To be brushed off without the slightest consideration, despite being right time and time again. Having a history of being ahead of the curve. Then being treating like a squawking parrot, “Look, honey, he’s trying to say something.”

    I don’t understand it.

    #127056
    Veracious Poet
    Participant

    #127057
    Oroboros
    Participant

    Do as I say, not as I do

    It’s an epidemic of a different sort.

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    #127058
    jb-hb
    Participant

    Yes, this! To be brushed off without the slightest consideration, despite being right time and time again. Having a history of being ahead of the curve. Then being treating like a squawking parrot, “Look, honey, he’s trying to say something.”

    I don’t understand it.

    Years ago on the ol defunct LATOC forum, a forum member told a story

    They went on a Boy Scout trip as a chaperone. There were a bunch of chaperones.

    Obviously, all Boy Scouts and Boy Scout Chaperones went. Years ago, before wokeism gutted the organization. We should be able to consider that everyone on the trip was in the 99% or 99.9% percentile for woodcraft.

    Moreover, the chaperones were there, their whole reason for existing in that spot at that time, was the kids under their protection. They were specifically sent along to make sure nothing bad happened – otherwise, just send the kids alone.

    It was a fairly rustic campsite. There WAS a hand-pumpable well with an extremely visible sign on it warning NON POTABLE WATER, TREAT BEFORE DRINKING. Treatment of potable water had been covered many times by this group in Boy Scouts.

    Everyone got giardia.

    He tried to explain his own, and everyone else’s screwup after the fact. The sign was RIGHT THERE. He admits he SAW it, perhaps without full awareness. He discussed the screwup with everyone else on the trip. How’d an entire group trained in woodcraft give themselves giardia despite the sign in their faces?

    He recalled seeing people getting water at the pump and walking off to their campsites. He recalled seeing no particular concern expressed as they got the water. He therefore felt the water was OK to drink.

    Everyone he asked expressed that same sort of sentiment (he was careful not to suggest it to them before they answered)

    Everyone saw people from various campsites collecting water at the pump and taking it away to their campsites and somehow concluded this meant the water was safe. Automatically, sort of. So everyone went ahead and used the water without filering/boiling/chlorine/iodine tablets etc.

    His takeaway, thinking about it, was that most people know what they know NOT because they checked, but because everyone knows what everyone else knows. Unconsciously. By a sort of unconscious calculation that overrides sensory inputs such as signs, calculated without ASKING anyone to discover what they ACTUALLY know even.

    Retrospectively, he figured plenty of those people coming and going with water looking unconcerned and not affiliated with the Boy Scout group WERE treating their water. Somehow everyone in the group, unspoken, made the same calculation.

    I grew up in the Chicago area and thus grew up with Channel 9 WGN and channel 32. Both sometimes showed slightly odd, interesting movies that would make you think.

    Somehow I keep thinking, in the 2020’s of 5 Million Years To Earth, otherwise known as Quartermass and the Pit – the color 1967 version. I recommend it if you can find it. You’ll know if it’s your type of movie within the first 10-15 minutes. I absolutely love it. Quartermass was sort of a competitor in the same space as Dr Who.

    #127060
    WES
    Participant

    Now that it has been nicely settled that US/German tanks are going to the Ukraine, it looks like the US is doing a little advanced house cleaning in Kiev, under the guise of cleaning up corruption.

    One nice benefit for the US MIC of the US, offering to replace any Russian military equipment sent to the Ukraine with more modern US equipment, is it weakens any competing European weapons manufacturers while forcing the recipients to sign up for expensive training and equipment maintenance contracts. Killing two birds with one stone!

    #127062
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    On being brushed off: Why would people give value to the judgment of others when they don’t value their own judgments, having been taught since early childhood to Shut Up and Do What You’re Told? Since childhood we’ve been taught to defer to authority. We’ve been taught to revere intelligence but not our own. Only ‘special people’ are really smart..

    How do you know they’re special/smart if you don’t trust your own intelligence?

    Answer: They’re all in positions of authority or celebrity. If you’re so smart how come you’re not a millionaire is the standard evaluating question. We equate IQ with power not actual intelligence.

    Giardia? Boy Scouts? None of the authority figures said to follow the sign, so no one did. We do what we’re told. We were told to vax up, and most of us vaxxed up. Those who didn’t vax up, are weird. Look at us. We’re weird.

    ***

    “And the icing on the cake: the anti-vaxxers “won” because they were mistrustful by nature, so essentially this nasty personality trait of theirs just happened to serve them well this time.”

    Skepticism is neither nasty nor nice. Trust is not a given, and one can be fully socially cooperative and remain skeptical.

    Trust but verify. Mind own business. Always cut cards. Read the fine print. etc.

    ***

    We are considered a ‘self-domesticating species’. We submit to principles of cooperation. But we don’t agree on what principles to submit, and the result is cooperative group slaughter: war. Sometimes we don’t even know we’re fighting to the death, as appears to be the case with covid vaxx.

    Look at us here. We’re a kindred group, a pack of exiles. We should have each other’s backs and present open minds to each other. But instead, we pettily offend and keep our minds diligently closed to the other’s point of view.

    Behind all these declarations and denunciations and social posturings is something that makes me think of guys like this:

    Facade

    #127063
    WES
    Participant

    So how can the US government afford to replace all the old Russian military equipment around the world with spanking new American equipment?

    Well, I am glad you asked!

    When you own the world’s dominate reserve currency, it doesn’t cost you a cent!

    So who pays then?

    The rest of the world pays, that’s who!

    Nice racket you got there!

    #127064
    WES
    Participant

    Bosco:

    And to think we used to be perfectly good monkeys until someone messed with our genes!

    #127065
    zerosum
    Participant

    Majority say, “I don’t know and I don’t care.”

    Dr.D …..
    I was most surprised by people having NO interest.

    You had me LOL unto tears.

    #127066
    John Day
    Participant

    @Boscohorowitz: I may not have gotten the lessons right about “deferring to authority” when I was a kid.
    I remember it as “don’t get in trouble”.


    @jb-hb
    : I got giardia in Nepal. When ya gotta go, ya gotta go!

    #127067
    Kassandra
    Participant

    I was in another meeting today and a participant was having a rough day because their friend had “died suddenly and unexpectedly”.

    I’m not kidding, this is truly becoming an occurrence in my real life.Anyone else? Am I just imagining this is more than normal? I’m now up to 5 people 1 person removed from me this year (not to mention the strokes and relatively sudden cancer deaths).

    #127068
    Afewknowthetruth
    Participant

    Scienific method:

    Observe.

    Collect data.

    Try to make sense of the data; look for logical explanations.

    Formulate a hypothesis.

    Test the hypothesis and see whether it is useful in making predictions. e.g. Today a solid object falls with an acceleration of 9.8 metres per second squared. I predict that tomorrow a solid object will fall to the ground with an acceleration of 9.8 metres per second squared.

    If the hypothesis stands up to repeated testing and sits very well within the framework of a cohesive set of other scientific explanations, it is probably correct.

    Politics and commerce:

    Follow the fake money trail.

    Ignore data.

    Promote bizarre theories unconnected with reality. Continue to promote bizarre theories that are disconnected from reality when those bizarre theories are clearly failing abysmally.

    Keep ‘printing’ fake money.

    When all else fails, send peasants to fight wars (having indoctrinated or threatened the peasants first).

    Control the masses via propaganda and censorship.

    Impose fake ‘mandates’.

    When things go badly, tell the peasants it is their fault. Vilifying the leader of another country is always a useful strategy when dealing with uninformed peasants.

    When things go really badly, kill peasants.

    When things go really, really badly, kill more peasants.
    .
    Has it no always been so?

    Clearly, people living on what was to eventually become Airstrip One applied the Scientific Method, and their observations and hypotheses stimulated the construction of Stonehenge -a predictive calendar-temple. They clearly had a very cohesive society with plenty of resources and lots of energy.

    Contrast that with the steal-and-manipulate model for society imposed on the people by the conquering Normas, whose systems remain in place to this day in Oceania and Oceania-dominated regions of the world. Not Russia. Not China. And no longer India or Brazil etc.

    Keep following the [fake] money trail.

    Keep following the lies and manipulation trials.

    Kepp applying the principles of genuine science: that is what protected me (and others) from Jabbing Mania and Mask Mania.

    No one regretted resisting Jabbing Mania.

    That said, apparently the maniacs are going to try another round of Jabbing Mania and Mask Mania, as well as the usual lies, propaganda and censorship.

    They are also going to print more [fake] money and raise interest rates ‘to fight inflation’ -the incessant devaluation of [fake] money via excessive money-printing and raising of interest rates.

    Without energy, nothing happens.

    Entropy never sleeps.

    Orwell lives on in the form of the managers of the various Airstrips.

    Crazy Chipmunk now has Sleepy Camel to help him/it to promulgate lies and to impoverish the Proles of Airstrip Five.

    I don’t know how many they intend to kill.

    .

    #127069
    Afewknowthetruth
    Participant

    Corrections:

    Has it no always been so?

    Contrast that with the steal-and-manipulate model for society imposed on the people by the conquering Normans, whose systems remain in place to this day in Oceania and Oceania-dominated regions of the world.

    #127070
    Afewknowthetruth
    Participant

    Not

    #127071
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    And the icing on the cake: the anti-vaxxers “won” because they were mistrustful by nature, so essentially this nasty personality trait of theirs just happened to serve them well this time.

    Nobody “won”; humans lost; that this whole covid scam could even be pulled off is a huge blow to human freedoms and represents a total loss across the entire planet…
    We lost big time, IMO…we’ve been groomed for this for generations…

    #127072
    Veracious Poet
    Participant

    @kassandra

    I was in another meeting today and a participant was having a rough day because their friend had “died suddenly and unexpectedly”.

    I’m not kidding, this is truly becoming an occurrence in my real life.Anyone else?

    Am I just imagining this is more than normal?

    I’m now up to 5 people 1 person removed from me this year (not to mention the strokes and relatively sudden cancer deaths).

    No. You’re not imaging it.

    Quoting a gnome from yesterday; The struggle is real.

    My Friends & Family Tally after mRNA:

    3 sudden deaths + 3 turbo cancers + 1 facial paralysis (12 hours after shot) + 1 inexplicably damaged heart (almost another sudden death)…

    Oh, and Alas! *ZERO* bio-weapon protection for ANY of the jabbed faithful, cause you know they all got COVID anyways, at least once, since their spike Kool-Aid injections 😕

    And we’re the crazy ones…

    #127073
    Afewknowthetruth
    Participant

    Bad as the jabs were (are) this is the shitstorm people need to focus on.

    #127074
    Afewknowthetruth
    Participant

    Bad as the jabs were (are), I believe this is the shitstorm people need to focus on.

    #127075
    Afewknowthetruth
    Participant

    Ukraine Rocked By Corruption Scandal, Wave Of Top Officials Resign: Sports Cars, Mansions & Luxury Vacations As People Suffered

    BY TYLER DURDEN

    WEDNESDAY, JAN 25, 2023 – 06:50 AM

    The Ukrainian government on Tuesday confirmed the resignation of multiple high ranking officials amid large-scale corruption allegations, in what’s being called the biggest mass resignation and graft scandal since the Russian invasion began.

    Some dozen officials have quit their posts after a huge political shake-up over allegations and probes into cases ranging from bribery, to mismanagement of aid funds for purchasing food, to embezzlement, to driving expensive cars while common people suffer under wartime conditions….

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-rocked-corruption-scandal-wave-top-official-resignations-sports-cars-mansions

    #127076
    VietnamVet
    Participant

    Social and Mass Media are all part of the Corporate-State. Since the deindustrialization of the West starting in the Clinton Era, financialization of people to pay for education, health, food and shelter plus their sins and exploiting earth’s resources are the only way to make money in the West. The sole goal is to privatize all governmental functions and take a cut like Wall Street and pensions.

    Across the world, the ruling castes simply refuse to spend tax money on Public Health to save people’s lives. War is profitable too, like Pestilence, since Insiders get a cut of the profits from selling the stockpiles of armament that kill and maim Russians and Ukrainians.

    “US estimates 200,000 military casualties on all sides – BBC”. This is compared to the roughly 130,000 Americans who have died with COVID since March 2022 as Joe Biden says the pandemic is over. The introduction of Western Main Battle Tanks into the proxy world war is basically the final threshold. Building replacements in the next year(s) is simply impossible. US automobile assembly has declined 20% due to worker and supply shortages.

    There are really only three outcomes:
    1) the trench war drags on until one side or the other revolts like 1917,
    2) Ukraine or Russia through combined arms and technology breaks into the opponent’s rear and tactical nuclear weapons are ignited to stop the Ukraine invasion of Crimea or Russia’s overrunning of NATO, or
    3) an Armistice is signed like in Korea in 1953.

    If the US dollar hegemony collapses and a Cold War II starts, the UK/US alliance will play the role of the Soviet Union thirty years ago, too poor to afford the conflict, and falls apart.

    Ron Klein who headed the White House response to COVID is taking over as Chief of Staff. The cognitive dissonance is horrid. Americans are intentionally being divided in order to be ruled over by distant globalists. To keep kicking the can down the road, one must wear blinders. No doubt, just as the Omicron wave was blamed on the unvaccinated, the Unchosen will be scapegoated for the collapse of western civilization; rather than the greedy incompetent rich, whose money does the talking these days.

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