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    Fresco from the Minoan Palace in Knossos, Crete, Greece. 16th century B C.   • Coronavirus To Spread In One Big Wave and Won’t Go Away – WHO (RT)
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle July 29 2020]

    #61581
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    The law has been rendered meaningless. Therefore, so have the courts that are tasked with upholding it. That is not a trifle matter.

    Ya think?
    Try and tell that to the average Usian…

    #61583
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Fresco from the Minoan Palace in Knossos, Crete, Greece. 16th century B C.

    By the way; that fresco is bloody gorgeous…
    1,600 years B.C.
    Incredible…

    #61586
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Slestakhttps://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8b4121bf-a5ae-40cf-9e1a-84a3ac636796_2252x1380.png

    This is the chart. As classic a pandemic chart as could be made. Yet according to Hunt and others, it’s suddenly going to spike? On what mathematical or medical basis?

    nony
    https://www.datagraver.com/thumbs/1300x1300r/2020-07/deaths-mil-nony-nolog-2807.png

    This says it’s over. We’re at immunity. We can’t spread it or increase deaths even if we wanted. Meanwhile, now that there are no deaths listed many days in many states, immunity is widespread and easily measured, the lockdowns and anti-science measures continue. Why?

    The WHO – who along with Fauci has been wrong continually since the beginning – says so. So we always get our advice from known, proven failures. And not from Doctors, who were invited to speak by Congressmen, who are reported on the average nightly news, and when it goes viral, Mr. Bob “Not a doctor” Twitter, deplatforms the discussion between doctors. On the say-so of the New York “Not a Doctor” Times. So it’s not Science discussing evidence with Science and coming to a conclusion. We have Science and Medicine WITHOUT discussions, ‘CAUSE I SAID SO! Cause NON Science and NON medicine said. Refusing any studies presented. Very scientific.

    Wonder what the situation will be in one week, two weeks.”

    Well, considering we’re not providing the several cures we have, while viciously suppressing them using all means legal and illegal, not good. Nevertheless, despite all this, you have a 99.94% survival rate, and “Dr. Anthony Fauci [said]… the surge could be peaking in the South and West” So it’s over, despite their every effort otherwise.

    Meanwhile, opioids have killed 30k/yr for decades and nobody cares. 100-500k children go missing each year, but they don’t bother counting. Cheers all ‘round! I’m guessing the survival rate for those children isn’t 99.94% Or at least the recent arrests of thousands of traffickers in Europe and North America would so suggest.

    Nothing will happen, though, because they all work with and for US intelligence.”

    That depends who gets the upper hand on US Intelligence. That is the very core of all battles being fought. Sez Chuck “They’ve got 6 ways to Sunday to get you” Schumer and Bill “My Daddy was CIA” DeBlasio.

    “CERTAIN People have too much money to play with.” Certain classes of. Certain insiders. As Socialism/Cronyism demands. Fixed it.

    It Is Time to Abandon Dollar Hegemony (Foreign Affairs)”

    As planned since 1971. They are now telling you, as they told you on the 1989 Economist. Not my fault if you can’t listen.

    Ghislaine Maxwell Fights To Keep Nude Photos And Sexualised Videos Secret (RT)”

    Any discussion, no detail too small or too tawdry, except that she and her father worked for Mossad, and Epstein is their front man. Any discussion but that.

    “The law has been rendered meaningless.

    We haven’t followed the law in 100 years. Everything is a made-up lie, dictated exclusively by power. Haven’t you noticed? So why believe the news? The law? The people they hire?

    #61587
    Mr. House
    Participant

    “Every time I tweet about Covid, I lose about 100 followers. People really don’t want to hear about Covid anymore. They’re sick of it, and they hate anyone who reminds them of it.”

    Well duh. EVERY DAY FOR THE PAST FIVE MONTHS ITS ALL WE’VE HEARD ABOUT. That and the information isn’t even that good. Every site you visit has the cases and death charts, EVERY SITE! Even yahoo finance give you covid stats. I feel like alex at the end of clockwork orange, you’ve all got my eyes pried open and i’m bound to chair and i have to watch covid stats and competing narratives for five months straight. Not to mention i still don’t know a single person first hand who’s had the virus.

    #61588

    I don’t know anyone who knows anyone who has had it.

    #61589

    Mr. House

    Every day for the past five months its all we’ve heard about.

    No, it isn’t. You heard plenty about Trump as well. But yeah, it feels like overkill for sure. I don’t know much about other sites and their graphs, but I’ve been doing this before most, since January, and I’ve dumped a few graphs, like SCMP and covid19info.live, because they lost relevance. But it’s still the biggest topic out there, it influences people’s lives more than anything else.

    And no, it’s not over by a long shot. Dr. D can say we’ve reached immunity, but that comes after two weeks of US record setting daily new cases, which have only calmed down a bit over the past few days, during which deaths have increased again. What immunity? Someone mailed me a link to a ZH piece on Sweden, which touts them as a success, and I replied:

    “I’ve already said 100 times how inane I find it to call Sweden a success story. I’m not going to call the US a success story either, though its deaths per million number is much lower than Sweden’s.”

    And sure enough, I see a link just now on Twitter to a BBG piece that has the “linker” say : Sweden has reached herd immunity. On July 23, I posted a letter by 25 Swedish doctors who said the proportion of Swedes carrying antibodies was below 10%. I think we can agree that won’t do the trick.

    The whole topic has become political, masks are no good, nor are lockdowns, if that serves a purpose. Same for they are good, just for a different audience. And if we can use it to keep Biden in his basement, we will.

    But as long as we have times like these, where so many new case records are broken all the time, and more reports come out almost daily about heart damage, brain damage, etc., I don’t think the job is finished.

    And don’t worry, the US election madness will soon take the no. 1 news spot with a vengeance. If that’s any consolation at all. But then at some point you’ll say “Every day for the past three months its all we’ve heard about.”

    #61590
    Mr. House
    Participant

    “The whole topic has become political, masks are no good, nor are lockdowns, if that serves a purpose. Same for they are good, just for a different audience. And if we can use it to keep Biden in his basement, we will. ”

    This is true, and that is how i know its not serious. People are scared now, but not because of the virus. I bet if you ask 100 people how many know someone first hand who has had the virus, 99 will say they don’t know anyone. People are scared because everything has gone crazy, its been turned up to 11. 2008 Destroyed alot of trust in the system, this is destroying the remaining trust it had, and the trust that people have for other people. Maybe its different in Athens, but most people you walk past on the street now in america cross to the other side or walk out into the road if you’re on the same side of the sidewalk as them. Everyone is the enemy, if not because of the virus, then probably because they don’t agree with you politically. And you could write plenty about all the financial BS that has gone on for the past seven months. Why were REPOS going crazy starting september of last year and all the way up until the virus? Why did that stress end once QE was started up again on a massive scale? You might consider that just as abstract as the virus, but i don’t think so. My savings account still yields .25 percent after a decade. I still can’t afford to buy a house. I have to deal with shyster landlords who try to nickle and dime you because they are the definition of a rentier.

    Why don’t you try a thought experiment on who is benefiting from this virus? You are an excellent writer, but you can’t imagine any way shape or form that this isn’t what we’re being told it is?

    #61591
    Mr. House
    Participant

    If those who run our country have our best interests in mind, why wouldn’t they let the people know what was in the TPP and other great trade deals? Why did we have to pass obamacare to findout what was in it? You think, that if the rest of the world said F you to the US (china not wanting to put up with our BS anymore with regards to trade and so forth) that they would just tell us? All these people know how to do is lie. And all we know how to do is nod our heads in agreement.

    #61592
    Mr. House
    Participant

    Also, no offense intended. I’m just tired of the lies.

    #61593
    Mr. House
    Participant

    Oh and Raul, off topic, but you had a guest post years ago. A younger gentleman in Grad school in england i think. It was an excellent post, he imagined what it must have been like to be in battle during the ancient times. And how Giant corporations are basically dinosaurs in our society is in phase change. That would be an excellent article to repost. And thank you for all you do, i do really appreciate your writing.

    #61594

    Just got a mail from Google complaining about “Dangerous or derogatory content” on https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2020/06/debt-rattle-june-26-2020/
    They “Disabled ad serving” on that page. If only they would tell me what it is they don’t like; at least I could think about it. But I have absolutely no clue.

    #61595
    Mr. House
    Participant

    Wasn’t me, i didn’t comment that day. Thats another thing, how the big tech companies are tightening the vice on all of us. How they started doing that as soon as trump won the election in 2016. Suddenly we have fake news (which mainly is the people telling the truth) and propornot. Now they censor any different viewpoints online with regard to it which shall not me named.

    #61596
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    I live in Phoenix, AZ. I know six people personally who have been positively diagnosed with covid-19. I am aware of several others who tested positive that are known by people I know. My attorney is one if them — her illness delayed a deadline in my case for a month. Her entire office came down with it. She is in her 40s, healthy, and survived. She already survived cancer and told me that being sick with covid-19 was worse than cancer treatments.

    I do not yet know anyone personally who has died from covid-19, but I have many friends who are the age of my parents and older, so I expect that to happen. I do know people personally who know people who have died.

    My children live half-time with their father, his girlfriend, and her daughter who is immunocompromised. Myself, my partner, and my children are trying to minimize our risk of getting the virus so that we don’t pass it onto that girl (she gets hospitalized from colds and would be unlikely to survive covid-19.) It is very frustrating to go to the grocery or hardware store and be faced with people who wear masks carelessly or loosely, allowing their breath in every direction. I don’t want the girl to die; I don’t want my children to have to deal with the emotional fallout from bringing the virus to her.

    As a people we need to face the fact that we actually know very little about this virus. Yes, most people will survive it — but we do not yet know at what cost — we do not know what the long-term effects may be. We do not know if antibodies to covid-19 can be maintained by the human body over a long period of time. We don’t like to have so many unknowns — as a people we are unaccustomed to having such large unknowns. We live in an age of science where computers aid us in perfect calculations and help us to assess risk, where disease causes and cures can be targeted with great accuracy, where a GPS helps guide us to an unfamiliar address. This virus defies our expectations, and places us back into a world with risks we cannot accurately measure. This is very uncomfortable.

    We don’t like the discomfort, and so to dispel it we tend to jump into one camp or another: “This is terrifying! Stay home! See no one! Wait for a vaccine!” Or: “This is not materially different from the flu! Get over it already! Masks are for sissies!” We tend to fall into polarized camps, and send nasty thoughts to those in the opposite camps.

    But reality is not black or white, and neither camp has a full picture of the truth…because we are like the blind men (humans) in the room with an elephant…is the elephant like a snake or like a tree? The seeing (hu)man knows that all of the assessments by the blind are true, but none of their assertions paint an accurate picture of reality. We are the blind when it comes to covid-19. We don’t even have full assessments yet to even begin drawing an accurate picture of covid-19. We accomplish nothing useful when we argue for one view or another of covid-19 based on one set of data while ignoring other sets of data. Seeming contradictions of data on the virus will eventually be collated and help us to better understand what we face. We honor each other as humans when we listen to each other, let the scientists and others do their jobs to collect and collate the data, and learn from our disparate assessments, rather than arguing. We can also respect each other’s fears and do what we can to accommodate these fears in an uncertain time — wearing a mask correctly, honoring quarantine, etc. We do not know what challenges others face — and we cannot measure the value of a grandparent to a grandchild, or the value of an immunocompromised teen to those who know and love her.

    #61597
    Mr. House
    Participant

    “As a people we need to face the fact that we actually know very little about this virus.”

    Indeed, and when i don’t understand something i don’t blast conflicting information day in and day out. I tend to keep my mouth shut. I still don’t know anything about the virus because its worse then the plague for some people but most don’t even know they have it.

    #61598
    thomasjkenney
    Participant

    The goal re: virus is atomization, complete diffusion of social structure. “Smash the psyche, then you can imprint whomever you want on the subject.” Wasn’t that MK Ultra? They very nearly have us this time, but only the city folk (I’m one, unfortunately). Also, I remind, this is not a hoax bug. You wouldn’t rob a bank with a fake gun, eh? But…it is still just a bug.

    Steamboat Trips Jr continues to flounder.

    #61599
    Mr. House
    Participant

    I do understand human nature, and i do understand that when people in high places have everything to lose by telling the truth, they generally don’t tend to tell the truth.

    #61600
    Mr. House
    Participant

    I concur with Thomas

    #61601
    Mr. House
    Participant

    Putin invented the virus with a time machine he stole from the united states while joy riding around with donald j trump. The end goal is to demolish the fabulous corprotocracy of the united states so he can then drop the curtain to reveal that the USSR is still a going concern!

    #61602
    Mr. House
    Participant

    Any bets on when we get negative interest rates in the United States?

    #61603
    chettt
    Participant

    “Dollar hegemony isn’t foreordained. For years, analysts have warned that China and other powers might decide to abandon the dollar and diversify their currency reserves for economic or strategic reasons.”
    Diversify into what? After you acquire all the cars, private jets, fabulous mansions and your own personal islands just what do you do with those left over billions?
    I keep asking the question but never do I get a satisfying answer.

    #61604

    Raul- I had a teacher back in grade school who would point to someone in class and give a nasty look. “What? What’d I do?” the student would ask. “YOU know what you did,” she would say ominously. It gave everybody the burn: none of us knew what was done, either.
    I’m sad goggle did that to you. It’s creepy and intimidating.

    Bourdain’s quote on Henry K might qualify. Anthony’s dead now. He was very young. HK is one of “Them”.

    #61605
    Geppetto
    Participant

    work the problem

    #61606
    Mr. House
    Participant

    Masks Aren’t Enough: Dr. Fauci Says People Should “Probably Use Eye Shields” To Protect Against COVID-19

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    #61607
    Arttua
    Participant

    I know of 7 friends and family that have gotten covid 19, despite living in Vermont. “Indeed, Vermont has had the fewest cases of covid-19 of any state in the country: fourteen hundred and two, as of Monday. The state’s hospitals currently house just one confirmed case. Only fifty-six people have died of the disease in Vermont—even though the epidemic raged in neighboring states—and the last of those deaths came more than a month ago, in mid-June.”
    https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/what-vermont-and-its-history-might-teach-the-nation-about-handling-the-coronavirus?

    #61609
    papanca
    Participant

    Raul,

    Regarding the Google problem:

    What part of your post and comments does Google scan? Is it just your post, or are comments included? Maybe you don’t know, but obviously they should inform you of what they find objectionable!

    I went through that day’s comments and found a few things that might trigger a “dangerous or derogatory” flag: one user referred to “Dick f[***]ing Chaney”; another used the word “ni**er” without putting it in quotes.

    Considering the many “swear”, “vulgar” and “racist” words used by commenters on this and other blogs, it’s surprising that these (to me) innocent usages should be a target of Google’s censorship. Maybe they just do random checks of pages, applying increasingly “correct” standards. If they only stopped your advertising on a particular page, it sounds like they may just be sampling pages.

    I remember some months ago you said your account was being stripped of advertising. Is today’s problem the same or a different one?

    Wish I could help, but if you are being targeted because of commenters, we should all be more careful.

    #61610
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Wish I could help, but if you are being targeted because of commenters, we should all be more careful.

    Whoa! Really? Self censorship?
    Bullshit!
    Fear is a thief; don’t let it steal from you…
    The Covid virus is proving to be the magic bullet for control by the evil ones; who have taken over the U.S. government…
    Orwell has proved prescient beyond even his own expectations… 🙁

    #61611
    sumac.carol
    Participant

    For my part, early on I did not think covid was a big deal. However, with time and seeing the way it is playing out, my take has changed. There is the reported issue that immunity is not happening. There is also the issue that people who have recovered in some non-trivial number of cases suffer significant long-term effects. There is the challenge to creating a vaccine for a coronavirus (never been done before). Much of the western world has a large aging population, putting them at greater risk. In many parts of the world, overall levels of health are low, due to environmental factors, nutrient-deficient (excessively high calorie) food thanks to big ag, and lifestyle. Experts (even those with less vested interests) are frequently changing their perspectives or disagreeing
    Combine this with a major disinformation campaign and political pushing and pulling and I don’t feel the foundation is strong enough to just shrug this off, in spite of the numbers of fatalities which seem to be diminishing. I guess we will see how it plays out.

    #61612
    Craig Morris
    Participant

    Covid 19 is serious but there are a lot of overlooked facts. As best I can tell:
    * Wearing a mask in public is most important for symptomatic people (coughing/sneezing). They should not be in public at all and wear a surgical mask when seeking medical care.
    * Wearing a mask for protection is most important for people who are close up to others, especially health care providers. They should wear an N95 mask.
    * The masks that most people wear are mostly ineffective. Air simply travels around the mask when they breathe in. The exception is a well fitted N95 mask.
    * Washing your hands is more important than wearing a mask. When non-symptomatic people spread the disease it is most likely by touching something that is then touched by someone else
    * In most situations social distancing is more important than wearing a mask
    * Hydorchloroquine is effective in the early stages of the disease but not so effective later
    * Zinc, vitamin C and vitamin D are all helpful against the disease
    * Obesity and diabetes make one a lot more susceptible to the disease
    This is the best I can tell from lots of reading. I am sure some would dispute some of these. Anyway the big message we hear is wear a mask all the time. For a lot of people wearing a mask has become a cardinal virtue. They say we should do it for confidence and solidarity. I see people wearing these alone in their cars. It seems ridiculous. And whoever asks if others are washing their hands or taking zinc? No one.

    #61613
    Huskynut
    Participant

    As a people we need to face the fact that we actually know very little about this virus. Yes, most people will survive it — but we do not yet know at what cost — we do not know what the long-term effects may be.

    Even if that were true, here’s my problem with the Covid response:

    Massive worldwide environmental degradation is also true. Invasive and increasing tech censorship is also true. Fabricated pretexts for wars (both cold and hot) is also true. A significant number of people will have died due to the emissions cheating actions of the major car manufacturers. Also true. Inadequate access to healthcare in the US is also true. Pharmaceutical companies extorting the public over the price of drugs, and juicing the safety research is also true. And on and on.. we know all this.

    And for all of those real issues which have persisted since seemingly forever, governments seem completely unwilling or powerless to do anything. And yet when this virus comes along, governments are suddenly empowering themselves to take remarkably coercive actions, including suspending people’s liberties, mandating mask wearing etc. Even if all those measures were all absolutely effective and warranted, the way they’ve been applied is extraordinary – incredible, even.

    It’s a nasty virus virus that does kill people, but the bubonic plague it certainly isn’t. Yet governments have been almost embarrassingly willing to intervene most forcibly in the lives of their populaces.. destroying jobs and economies in the process.

    When they can be so utterly and completely ineffectual at tackling the massive and longstanding problems of the world, and yet so full of energy and enthusiasm for the Covid interventions, something extremely weird is happening. I find it completely impossible to believe this unity and positive togetherness in pursuit of avoiding deaths is all just a wonderful coincidence. I’ve lived too long, and the complete cynicism of the age is upon me.

    Covid is real, but the way it has mesmerised the world is not.

    #61614
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    When they can be so utterly and completely ineffectual at tackling the massive and longstanding problems of the world, and yet so full of energy and enthusiasm for the Covid interventions, something extremely weird is happening. I find it completely impossible to believe this unity and positive togetherness in pursuit of avoiding deaths is all just a wonderful coincidence. I’ve lived too long, and the complete cynicism of the age is upon me.

    Covid is real, but the way it has mesmerised the world is not.

    The duality is stunning; and real.
    The result is deadly at the least; and destructive of the last threads of western society at most…

    #61626
    sumac.carol
    Participant

    I totally agree Huskynut- I cannot get past the fact that all of these other looming environmental and other disasters warrant no significant action. This is why the concerns expressed by our leaders seem cynical and dishonest.

    #61641
    John Day
    Participant

    Ilargi Said:
    Just got a mail from Google complaining about “Dangerous or derogatory content” on https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2020/06/debt-rattle-june-26-2020/
    They “Disabled ad serving” on that page. If only they would tell me what it is they don’t like; at least I could think about it. But I have absolutely no clue.
    John says: Maybe the boscohorowitz burka meme was too much, with MR & Mrs. Joe wearing those black masks, peeking over the tops, then that other picture of a real human in a burka.
    I’m just guessing…
    I know live and dead people who have had COVID, especially live ones, coworkers, patients, friends and family. Come to Austin, like everybody from New York and California is doing, and you can meet infected people, and even become one yourself!

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