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    Andrew Wyeth Clouds and Shadow 1940 • Trump Warns: “We’ll Bomb the Shit Out of Them” if No Deal (ZH) • Trump Says “US Will Be Attacking Iran Hard Agai
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle June 11 2026]

    #242495
    Michael Reid
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    ANDREI MARTYANOV & LARRY C JOHNSON – IRAN AND ISRAEL TRADE PUNCHES – UKRAINE’S FUTURE IS BLEAK

    #242496
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    TRUMP RESTARTS IRAN WAR, ECONOMIC COLLAPSE INEVITABLE

    #242497
    Michael Reid
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    Nima R. Alkhorshid: URGENT: Iran’s RETALIATION Begins – Missiles Hit Jordan After US Attack on Iran

    #242498
    John Day
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    I left Resource Wars, Then Famine last night https://drjohnsblog.substack.com/p/resource-wars-then-famine

    It started like this:
    Tim Morgan, Surplus Energy Economics, The Long Run, Adventures In Thermo-Economics
    British people were drastically poorer back in the 1960s than they are today, a statistical story which also holds true for every other Western country. ​ Things must have been almost unbearably tough in those days.
    What was it like, then, trying to cope with such extreme poverty?
    ​ Well – and as you may know, either anecdotally or through recollection – it was commonplace back in those “much poorer” 1960s for British couples to start families in their early twenties, either buying a home with a mortgage or renting a property from their local authority.​ Car ownership, though increasing rapidly, was a lot lower back then – but cars were actually owned…
    ..Median or “ordinary” people, then, could buy or rent a home, start a family, take holidays and run a car, and could do this with a modest mortgage, and with little or no other debt. Most remarkably, a majority did this on the income from a single wage-earner.
    ​ In the more prosperous United States, people probably started to enjoy the equivalent of these British experiences of the 1960s in the previous decade​…
    ..This ‘easy’ answer is that aggregate wealth has indeed improved dramatically over the decades, but the vast majority of these gains have been pocketed by a small minority, to the detriment of everyone else.
    The snag with this ‘explanation’ is that almost all contemporary wealth exists only on paper. Even the wealthiest are only one market crash, one banking collapse or one currency failure away from losing almost everything…
    ..The world’s average person may have enjoyed a $26,000 (56%) real terms increase in his or her share of GDP since 2005. But this average person’s share of debt and broader claims have increased, respectively, by $59,000 and about $150,000…
    ..Gross domestic product is not a measure of the amount of material economic value – in the form of goods and services – supplied by the economy in any given period. Rather, GDP is a monetary measure of transactional activity in the system.
    ​ In essence, most of the growth reported since 2005 has been nothing more substantial than the spending of huge and growing amounts of borrowed money.​
    ​ We can calculate that fully 65% of all global “growth” reported over the past twenty years falls into this cosmetic category. On this basis, the material economic prosperity of the average person hasn’t increased at all since 2005 – but his or her burden of debts and quasi-debts undoubtedly has.​..
    ..Affluence, measured not just as GDP but as aggregate asset values as well, carries on growing until the economy slumps into the bankruptcy of having more debt than it can ever be expected to honour…​ We are, simply stated, likely to be at our point of maximum recorded affluence at the moment when the financial economy vanishes into a black hole.​..
    ..Ultimately, if money is a “claim on goods and services” it is, in reality, a claim on the energy required to make these things available. Likewise, debt, as ‘claim on future money’, is in fact a claim on future energy. This makes clear the need to think in terms of the parallel two economies of the material and the monetary…
    ..As depletion of the non-energy resource base gradually erodes conversion ratios, relentless rises in the proportionate Energy Cost of Energy have been driving a widening wedge between top-line economic output and ex-cost prosperity…
    ..What this demonstrates is that, in the years since 1980, growth in aggregate prosperity (+87%) has barely exceeded increases in world population numbers (+84%). This means that the average person was only about 1.4% materially more prosperous in 2025 than he or she had been back in 1980. With this statistic available to us, we can readily see why the imposition of a combination of worsening inequality, rapidly increasing debt burdens and rises in the real costs of necessities has led to a widening sense of hardship, insecurity and resentment…
    ..Had oil and gas not existed as successors to coal, the Great Depression might have become permanent, and recovery from the Wall Street Crash, which in any case took 25 years, might not have happened at all.
    ​ The big difference between now and then is that, despite outlandish claims made for renewables and nuclear power, no such ready-and-waiting successor to hydrocarbons exists today, and we’re about to discover that infinite, exponential economic growth on a finite planet really is the preserve of ‘madmen and economists’.
    ​ We’ve been trying – and, of necessity, failing – to reinvigorate the material economy using monetary tools. The result can only be a financial crash…
    ..The soundtrack to these processes is a cacophony of drivel about monetary innovation and technological miracles. Monetary “innovation” actually comes down to creating ever more credit, and embracing ever greater complexity risk…
    ..It also seems that technology advances in inverse proportion to the importance of the activity in question. Speed-of-light progress in digital communication doesn’t actually put more food on the table, and tends to use far more energy than any that it might help supply.
    ​ By contrast, the techniques used today in really important activities – like farming, extracting and refining ores, pumping water, producing oil and gas – would be readily recognisable to a time-traveller from 1926.​..
    ​..What this project does seem to show, at this early stage, are some drastic differences between two different eras of interest – the years between 1945 and 1970, and between 1980 and 2025.
    ​ In the earlier period, indications are that material economic prosperity expanded by about 170%, far out-stripping population growth of 55% to leave the world’s average person twice as prosperous in 1970 than he or she had been back in 1945.
    ​ In the (longer) period between 1980 and 2025, prosperity carried on increasing, but at a rate (+87%) barely ahead of growth in population numbers (+84%). Having seen his or her prosperity double between 1945 and 1970, our ‘average’ person has seen no progress at all in a latter period characterised by cosmetic “growth”, and a worsening of indicators such as housing accessibility, financial insecurity and the burden of debt.
    ​ It’s unlikely that we’ll be able to quantify pre-1980 trends at the national or regional level, but we do know that emerging market economies have out-performed the West in modern times. If, then, global average prosperity per person has barely improved at all, the likelihood is that Westerners have become materially poorer.​ https://surplusenergyeconomics.wordpress.com/2026/06/05/325-the-long-run/comment-page-1/

    ​ The Honest Sorcerer, on the things that induce human adaptation, time and war: On The Possibility of World War III… Decades of conflict instead of nuclear annihilation?
    ​ For many people world war three invokes images of a direct clash between nuclear powers, inevitably ending in a series of bright flashes over all major cities around the globe. The next big war, I argue, will be nothing of the sort. Instead of ending in a nuclear holocaust, the third world war—which is already in the making—will bring about decades of conflict, ending in a new world order. It will be much akin to the Thirty Years’ War (1618–48) fought in Western Europe over domination and coming with immense losses, but ultimately ending in the Treaty of Westphalia…
    ..Also… there are clear financial incentives to push the world into chaos, and to reap the immense profits to be made on war. After all, as Brigadier General Smedley D. Butler wrote in 1937 after fighting decades in servitude to US corporate interests in Latin America: “War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious.”…
    ..What we have seen so far in Europe and the Middle East is just the beginning. Many more years, if not decades, of conflict is still ahead of us and eventually every great power will be involved—either directly, or through proxies to avoid direct confrontation with each other. Old rules are slowly discarded, but the new rules haven’t emerged yet. This is why we see a controlled demolition of the globalized world economy, with all its “rules” upended and international law disregarded in the most blatant way. Not because a secret cabal in a smoked filled room want’s this to happen, but because that’s how a dying system behaves: it struggles to survive against all odds and tries everything it can to live just a day longer.​ https://thehonestsorcerer.substack.com/p/on-the-possibility-of-world-war-iii

    ​ Richard Revelstoke, The War Inside the Panopticon
    There has never been a single all-seeing surveillance state — only rival ones. This is the story of how the West built the most complete surveillance machine in history, then broke it into warring pieces; how China built a second machine and put it up for sale; and why the result is not a panopticon but a quadropticon — four rival powers fighting over the controls of a machine.​..
    ​..On January 26, 2014, the German broadcaster Norddeutscher Rundfunk asked Edward Snowden in a TV interview: “What could you do if you would use XKeyscore?”
    ​ Snowden:
    ​ “You could read anyone’s email in the world, anybody you’ve got an email address for. Any website: You can watch traffic to and from it. Any computer that an individual sits at: You can watch it. Any laptop that you’re tracking: you can follow it as it moves from place to place throughout the world. It’s a one-stop-shop for access to the NSA’s information. … You can tag individuals … Let’s say you work at a major German corporation and I want access to that network, I can track your username on a website on a forum somewhere, I can track your real name, I can track associations with your friends and I can build what’s called a fingerprint, which is network activity unique to you, which means anywhere you go in the world, anywhere you try to sort of hide your online presence, your identity.”
    ​ For a solitary decade the Western grid operated as one integrated apparatus presenting itself as universal. It was the most consolidated panopticon ever built — and it was only half the planet.​..
    ​..China’s mass surveillance infrastructure evolved from the Skynet project (launched 2005, expanding to an estimated 600 million cameras) to the Sharp Eyes Project (Xueliang Project), which is a Chinese government surveillance launched a 2015 initiative that aimed to achieve 100% coverage of public spaces, particularly in rural and remote areas. The Social Credit System emerged in 2014 to regulate behavior through data fusion.
    ​ Xinjiang serves as the primary testing ground for these technologies, where the Integrated Joint Operations Platform (IJOP) utilizes facial recognition and predictive policing algorithms to monitor and detain Uyghur populations. This regional “laboratory” allowed the state to refine AI-driven behavioral scoring and preemptive control mechanisms before scaling them nationwide.
    ​ Edward Snowden said China’s mass surveillance mechanisms and machinery of private communications was “utterly mind-boggling.” He was initially, “so impressed by the system’s sheer achievement and audacity that I almost forgot to be appalled by its totalitarian controls,” a statement he made in his memoirs, Permanent Record.​
    ​ Having perfected the machine at home, China began selling it.​ China is the world’s dominant exporter of physical surveillance infrastructure and AI-driven control systems.​..
    ..These systems integrate facial recognition, license plate readers, predictive policing algorithms, and centralized command centers. Often funded through subsidized loans from Chinese state lenders such as China Eximbank and the China Development Bank as part of the Belt and Road Initiative, creating long-term dependency on Chinese maintenance and upgrades…
    ​..The Panopticon Eats Itself
    ​ The 2013 rupture didn’t kill the grid; it killed the consensus that it served only one master. The post-Snowden question wasn’t “should this exist” but “whose is it now?” Three diverging surveillance models formed inside the Western bloc, concurrent with the split within the Transnational Capitalist Class.
    ​ Three factions, one server. To see the war, let’s take a look at the data sitting on a hyperscaler’s machine — Facebook. Three Western factions want three incompatible things from it, and none can have its way without defeating the others.
    ​ Silicon Valley owns the data. It is Facebook’s asset, its leverage, its business.
    ​ The Imperial state wants to use it. In 2018, Congress passed the CLOUD Act, which asserts a simple, sweeping claim: if a company is American, U.S. authorities can force Facebook to surrender its data wherever on earth the servers physically sit. A Microsoft server in Dublin is, legally, within Washington’s reach. This is the Imperial Nationalist faction annexing the Silicon Valley layer by declaring legal dominion over it.
    ​ Davos wants to wall it off — and here the mechanism matters, because it is not a conspiracy theory and no faction recruited an agent. Max Schrems, an Austrian law student, brought a private complaint against Facebook out of genuine conviction; he has spent his career suing European regulators too, for enforcing too little. He was never anyone’s instrument. What turned his grievance into a faction weapon was the institution it landed in. The Court of Justice of the European Union chose — twice — to strike down the transatlantic data agreements not on narrow privacy grounds but on the broadest possible one: that U.S. surveillance law rendered American jurisdiction categorically unsafe for Europeans’ data. Safe Harbor fell in 2015; Privacy Shield in 2020. That is not a privacy holding. It is a sovereignty holding — a border drawn against another faction’s reach, using a private lawsuit as the pretext.
    ​ This is what it means to call Brussels a Davos organ rather than an independent power.​.. its instrument is the regulatory machine, and that machine works by converting whatever enters it — a student’s complaint, a merger filing, a market-access request — into binding rules that bind other factions’ systems.​..
    ..The CLOUD Act commands American firms: hand us your data, wherever it lives. Schrems and the GDPR (General Data Protection Regulation) command the same firms: then you may not hold Europeans’ data at all. These are not different rules in different rooms — they are contradictory directives issued to the same companies about the same servers, by two factions of the same broken grid. Silicon Valley cannot obey both: it is legally American, and therefore exposed to Washington’s subpoena, but commercially captive to Europe, and therefore bound by Brussels’s wall…
    ..The Western surveillance apparatus never won, never unified the world under a single control grid; after Snowden’s revelations in 2013 it shattered into three, each faction seizing the layer it could hold. The Eastern faction didn’t collapse; its Chinese half went digital and put itself up for sale, while Moscow was demoted into the junior partner that can disrupt but not deny…​..So we don’t live under a panopticon. We live under a quadropticon — four surveillance powers, no longer answering to any single master, each using its piece of the apparatus to wall off, reach into, or escape the others. The war inside the machine is four factions fighting over the infrastructure, with humanity as the ground they fight on.
    ​ The four of them never argue about the one thing that matters. Every grid points the same direction. The camera always faces down — state to citizen, platform to user, capital to crowd. Not one of them points up. They fight relentlessly over who holds the controls. They have never once disagreed about who is being watched.​ That is you. Not the subject of one all-seeing state, but the ground four rival powers are enclosing at once. They all watch you.​ https://www.themargins.ca/p/the-war-inside-the-panopticon

    #242499
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    Great Achievement: Russia confirmed that Iran wiped out twelve F-35 fighters at a US base in JORDAN

    #242500
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    #242501
    ₿oogaloo
    Participant

    Raul says he is “not impressed.” With what? Alasdair Crooke’s analysis? Or Iran’s strategy?

    I’d say both have been more effective than what our ruling elite Epstein class overlords were expecting.

    #242502
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    Alex Krainer: US STRIKES Iran – Iran RETALIATES Against Kuwait, Bahrain & Jordan!

    #242509
    zerosum
    Participant

    major tit-for-tat strikes,

    Tonight’s aggression has prompted Tehran to once again declare the Strait of Hormuz closed to “all types of vessels”.

    The IRGC is now claiming to have struck 18 US military targets in two waves.
    ———–
    US MILITARY SAYS IT HAS COMPLETED LATEST STRIKES IN IRAN

    the US is “undermining” the diplomatic process through “contradictory messages, frequent shifts in its positions and demands, as well as repeated violations of the ceasefire.”
    He indicated that at this point there’s not even the “minimum level of conducive conditions” that is “required in order to carry out diplomacy effectively.”
    Bahrain and Kuwait got hit hardest in these newest strikes, with reports saying the US Fifth Fleet base came under fire:

    Trump’s TruthSocial post:

    The United States will be hitting Iran (Whose Navy, Air Force, Radar, Anti Aircraft, and all other forms of Defense, together with most of its offensive capability, are GONE!), VERY HARD TONIGHT. At some point in the not too distant future, we will be taking Kharg Island, and other oil infrastructure points, and assume total control of their Oil and Gas Markets, much like we have with Venezuela, which is working out brilliantly for both Venezuela and the United States of America. Thank you for your attention to this matter! President DONALD J. TRUMP

    ————–

    #242510
    zerosum
    Participant

    It’s time to Wake Up.
    The U.S. is preparing the option to take Kharg Island — politically, strategically, and through prior airstrikes — but there is no evidence that an actual seizure operation is currently being mobilized.

    Kharg remains a credible target, but not an imminent assault.

    Do you think that the US military does not have the use of AI for their planning?

    Can they do A risk model of Iranian retaliation if Kharg is taken?

    #242511
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    Sorry if this induces any cognitive whiplash injuries, but the following video (on a topic that is moderately familiar to all of us here) inadvertently introduces a whole new subject that practically no one is talking about.

    They should be doing a lot more than just talking about it. Because their very lives are at stake.

    Our governing elites are intent upon killing us “lower” echelon of the general population. They are not just fully aware of what they’re doing (intentional democide/genocide), they are fully intent on doing it. (all in!)

    And the whole damn story is right there in the heavily suppressed historical record. As that historical record gets revealed one bloody piece at a time through staunch scientifically inclined historians like Graham Hancock and others, the more is revealed about the actual intent and activities of our so-called “Ruling Elites”.

    It will not go well for them. When truth comes in lies get thrown out… and the liars with them.

    The battle will be internecine. Truth and lies don’t coexist very peacefully, as a general rule.

    So if the old leadership is shown up (to everyone) as murderous demented thugs then who is going to supervise the outfit in their absence?

    That’s an important new subject to think about. The thinking will probably do us some good.

    #242512
    charles
    Participant
    #242513
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    Incidentally, my trained eye sees that Hancock has been rather ham fistedly “AI Enhanced” in the video while the interviewer was not. My best guess is that Hancock’s bad health was too graphically obvious to the camera’s unflinching eye so they prettied him up a little for the audience (and his legacy, should medical events go badly.)

    Such matters have no bearing on the accuracy and legitimacy of the data and cognitive content of the video in question.

    #242514
    zerosum
    Participant

    copilot, comment on “Trump cancelling new strikes on Iran”

    Trump posted on Truth Social:

    “We will NOT be doing the scheduled attack of Iran tomorrow… but [the military must] be prepared to go forward with a full, large‑scale assault… on a moment’s notice.”

    So this was not a de‑escalation.
    It was a pause, not a cancellation of the option.

    Why Trump canceled the strikes
    Based on the reporting:

    1. Gulf states begged him to stop
    Leaders in the Gulf told Trump that a new U.S. strike would collapse negotiations and risk a regional explosion.

    2. Negotiations with Iran suddenly moved forward
    Iran submitted a revised 14‑point proposal via Pakistani mediators.
    Trump believed a deal was within reach.

    3. The U.S. blockade was already causing global economic pain
    The Strait of Hormuz closure had driven up global fuel and food prices, and inflation was hurting U.S. public support for the war.

    4. Trump wanted leverage, not a full war
    He canceled the strike but ordered the military to stay ready for a “full, large‑scale assault… on a moment’s notice.”

    This is classic Trump:
    threaten maximum force → pause → demand concessions → threaten again.

    📌 Bottom Line
    Trump canceled the new strikes because Gulf states asked him to stop and because negotiations with Iran suddenly showed movement — but he kept the military on standby for a massive attack if talks collapse.

    This is a pressure‑pause‑pressure cycle, not de‑escalation.

    #242519
    tboc
    Participant

    i trust everyone is as pleased with work taking time as i am.

    this is meant well. The seems to a total lack of interest in living in the world just the way it is. One third living in the past, 1/3 living in the future and a third lost. Does no one any longer appreciate how precious a gift consciousness is? There is a now.

    Well all news pales at the recognition there are still people to be killed. With almost all the money in the world believing that they can accurately determine The future The greatest grandest highest value IPO draws less attention than who is heading the bill on The Voice.

    Killing human beings for the past in order to finance plans for the future.
    Eating the seed crop – destroying children as perversely as possible and a with profit!

    Know the black
    Keep the White – Lao Tzu

    #242520
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    @tboc

    Well said. We must accomplish all of our sensible responsibilities at once, don’t we? And one of those responsibilities (perhaps the biggest one, or near to it) is to lead a good and successful REAL life at this immediate and ongoing moment of forever.

    #242521
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    #242522
    John Day
    Participant

    @DBS: Thanks for the Graham Hancock “last testament” before his heart surgery. I’m about 30 min in. I never do this, but I read a couple of his books, back when I felt I had time to read books, and he is fully prepped and performing well as he makes his last testament about the destroyed human civilization before the last ice age and Younger Dryas cold-relapse.

    #242524
    zerosum
    Participant

    “Trump’s tweet on the Truth Social platform in full:

    “Based on the fact that discussions with the Islamic Republic of Iran have been brought to the highest level of Iranian leadership and approved, I have, therefore, cancelled the scheduled strikes and bombings against Iran this evening.”

    “A potential deal to end the war has been approved by all parties involved.”

    “The time and place of the signing will be announced shortly.”

    “The U.S. naval blockade will remain in place until a final agreement is signed.”

    #242525
    zerosum
    Participant

    I wonder …are “China and Russia watching the US disarm themselves.

    #242526
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    Pepe Escobar: 12 Ballistic Missiles Struck a US Major Airbase (Jordan)

    #242527
    zerosum
    Participant

    Iran denies the existence of an agreement with the USA.
    Israel states that such an agreement does not exist.

    No signed agreement exists yet.

    A framework or understanding almost certainly does exist.

    All sides are denying it because acknowledging it would weaken their negotiating position.

    #242528
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    Andrei Martyanov: US Strikes Iran – Iran Hits Back at CRITICAL Targets

    #242531
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    Larry Johnson: BREAKING: Iran Forces Trump Into Concession – War Price Unbearable

    #242532
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    Trump Begins ALL-OUT WAR, Iran SLAMS F-16s on US Bases | Larry Johnson & Col. Lawrence Wilkerson

    #242533

    What are the unrealized capital gains on a boob job for a Dutch “working woman”?

    Seriously.

    #242536
    ₿oogaloo
    Participant

    Jim Rickards did not drink the Kool Aid:

    Trump’s 3 Bad Options in Iran

    #242540
    Dr. D
    Participant

    “THE FLESH-EATING PARASITE THREATENING OUR FOOD SUPPLY – WHAT YOU CAN DO TO STAY HEALTHY

    We need a new government department and a “War on Screwworms”. Then we’ll have a 100 fold increase in them in 10 years and pay a Trillion dollars to make cows extinct.

    “IRGC in turn says it struck 18 US military targets in two waves overnight…”

    This is how we know there’s no war going on and Congress doesn’t need to get involved. A war isn’t when you’re shooting missiles daily, that would just be silly.

    “…but for the Zombie Filibuster, the House-passed SAVE America Act would now be on its way to the White House…”

    Every time Congress refuses this, it’s the world’s best advertising for the cause. And that every incumbent and RINO is removed. Or TRINO as Susan Kukinda says: “Trump Republican In Name Only.” Also it’s just a rule. Senate can overturn Filibuster rules, Thune has several options to do this in a few hours. Likewise like 28 GOP Senators can toss Thune. They don’t. “You had ONE job.” Again, this is excellent advertising to the American People about what’s really going on.

    “New Arizona Law Targets Demand Behind Prostitution, Sex Trafficking

    Bold choice from a state that does everything it can to increase sex trafficking.

    “The history of elections suggests a Potemkin ballot: a public ritual of choice that frequently conceals prearranged outcomes driven by entrenched interests…”

    Yes but only since Adams and Jefferson in 1796. Completely settled with John Q and A. Jackson in which they posted a third candidate to split the vote and keep their Eastern Oligarchy in. Jackson took it gracefully of course, like the gentleman he was. Good time to remember when Jackson approved UFC arena is on the White House lawn, hopefully Trump will bring a Semi of Beer like in “Smokey and the Bandit”.

    Since all my textbooks hated him, I can only assume Jackson was on the Good side. Or rather in this way: Generals kill people, and there are times in history where a lot of the right people need killing. I mean, why would you dislike and disband banks when all they’ve done is print fake money, sweep up land that was already sold, now with two titles and mortgages, then sell it again after, while also changing the value, all protected by government? I mean, that’s just like ‘08 and nothing bad has happened since then, right?

    I wonder if they’ve ever cleaned the MBS records and titles yet. Probably not.

    He did put down the Eastern Oligarchy and returned the Nation to ordinary people voting. All this is mixed because John Q was unusually and surprisingly capable, moral in that sense, which is hard to fathom looking at oligarch kids for the next 200 years after. So it’s a mixed bag: get a good, well-spoken President that executes office but doesn’t rock the boat, or someone who is loud, brash, annoying, probably illegal and psychopathic but hits hard enough to stop the deadly drift. Your choice. Choose short-term nice very long-term fix.

    “DHS Directs ICE To Deport Illegal Aliens Who Vote In American Elections

    As every day: “DHS Directs ICE To Deport Illegal Aliens…” That’s it. That’s what “Illegal” means. So we need to pass a law to tell us to enforce the old laws?

    I’ve got an idea: We jail anyone found voting for 1 year THEN deport them.

    However Cullom had a good point: among all the broken Trump promises, about deportations. But you can’t send 5 ICE agents to deport every one. It’s just math. THERE ARE 20 MILLION of them. I bet it’s far more: they were always counting “Illegal” people they never saw. …How do you accurately count people you never saw enter again?

    It’s possible for it to be 100Million. But 60 million might be better. X5 = the ENTIRE NATION could do nothing but donate weekends and after hours and not be enough manpower to deport them all.

    So is this a Trump failure Dave, or just math? Suppose we did: no money, manpower attention for anything else. No, this is the right path. You can attack Trump for not bringing back horse and buggies which is about as equally possible.

    Making them serve time, or fining away all assets would be at least a warning shot. Don’t break the law! Is that so %^@#ing hard?

    Dutch Communism, 2028: Yay!!!!! Europe is completely dead with capital flight…to the U.S. Mostly. Because: China? Nope. Africa? Nope. Japan? Nope. It’s the only logical place for other Europeans to fly to.

    …And thus the whole United States is saved. Thanks Europe! Thanks Communism. Let it never be said you never did anyone good.

    “• Trump Warns: “We’ll Bomb the Shit Out of Them” if No Deal (ZH)

    Stop. Who is the audience for this talk? Not the IRGC probably. Not the American people, probably. Think. Israeli people (voters), the Iranian population? He’s fully capable of saying specific things, this is very pointedly not specific, legal language. So who’s the target?

    You can say “Because he likes bombing children” but. Really? Man, so sad that he likes bombing children then has refused to bomb much of anything for a whole month. So…who’s restraining him? Israel is? His own outsized self control?

    TALKING IS NOT BOMBING, people. He’s been blustering about bombing he hasn’t done, so far, ever. Same as Iran is blustering about attacking us Sooper-dooper hard, somehow, someday.

    If the war is SIGNALING, well we’re signaling the F—k out of this cat. Real weapons, not so much.

    Oh wait, I forgot we nuked Tehran last month, which is why you can’t trust Trump with The Button, and we landed with a million men 95% of all pundits assured us on a stack of Bibles. We have zero. Now “Experts” predict more things and are wrong again and we repost them.

    “49 Tomahawk missiles had been fired”

    There’s a message in their numbers which I usually ignore as totally dumb. But wasn’t it 49 in Syria too, 2017? Just saying these are MESSAGES. Oddly. We don’t think of bombs being telegrams, but these knuckleheads do.

    “The IRGC is now claiming to have struck 18 US military targets in two waves.”

    Maybe, but we’re finding like in Ukraine that they’re all drones which have the firepower of a pop gun. An M80 firecracker, if you hit it with a stick away from you, it’s harmless. So now we have to ask WHAT EXACTLY? An Oreshnik? Or a Bic lighter? WHAT hit these places. Now did they take out a dozen F35s? Show me, it’s not on the news, I see no reactions that indicate we’re that kind of mad. It’s easy to say things when no one can be discredited.

    US Central Command said that its forces began launching additional self-defense strikes today”

    Weird self defense. And here I thought Savannah was 5,000 miles from there. Iran’s constant aggression…in Iran. Like when the EU said Russia wasn’t allowed to train and move their army within Russia.

    ““Wherever necessary, our armed forces will respond to the enemy with authority.”
    Trump’s comments came after the two sides once again exchanged strikes,

    Except there are three sides. Or four. The Civilian leader resigned, the Ayatollah is dead, and so there is the IRGC and “Iran” who are different. The “IRGC” is divided into 31 parts so as not to be beheaded—their long term plan. But that strategy has this drawback: there is no longer an “Iran” at all, Just factions who don’t talk. If you call our side two sides, but also The U.S. vs Israel. Etc.

    “It’s all he can do?! Is to shorten the timeframe.
    • Trump ‘May Keep Going’ With Strikes As Iran Took ‘Too Long’ With Deal (ZH)

    Why? Again if I were Trump I’d LENGTHEN the timeframe. Why deal? Who cares? What they’re doing – treaty or not – is getting Iran to light up their radar and missiles, then removing them. That’s it. With no resupply, that’s the end. Now commenters “Just Say” that Iran is ordering new missiles on Amazon and flotillas of cargo ships are happily unloading all over the coast. Dropping them on front porches in Amazon trucks. Uhhh…no? So far as we can see from satellite, f—k -all is arriving? They’re in a total blockade (an act of war). The also have no money? Without China and Russia seriously shipping into them by land, they’re screwed. If they were we’d bomb the bridges and locomotives.

    “If there’s one thing Donald Trump doesn’t do, it’s let himself be humiliated,”

    Watch the endless fascination with being Humiliated. I do not understand the concept. You either win or lose, like, actual things. “Humiliation” is Signaling, which is illusion, perception, the essence of unreal.

    All 8 Billion people are Panicking all at once. All 8 Billion are humiliated. Huh?

    Much as I despise the tone, I think he’s essentially correct about Israel, the options, good cop/bad cop. Question is: How much? How much of each? How much does any side control? We don’t know, they pay intel agencies a billion dollars to report and find out. I don’t have a billion dollars. I think it’s 1/3rd of how much he suggests, but not untrue.

    “Donald Trump could be eager to sign an awful deal,”
    “Trump is supposed to be throwing in the towel, yet the towel never gets tossed.”
    “the clock is ticking, but for whom?”

    For us as all oil and banking flows re-route to Texas. Very sad.

    No. Don’t. Stop.
    Wonker

    “You might not agree with Trump’s strategy, but he has one.”

    Thank God they’re such idiots they keep saying Trump has no plans. Nothing could be easier for Trump to win then. Like 5,000 times in a row. If he has like only two plays in the playbook, then also he has one Motto or approach, and this is it. And if he’s dumb with only one tactical approach they’re way dumber that they can’t grasp it.

    “• Former MI6 Spy Alastair Crooke: Iran Takes Its Chances With War (RPI)

    Ah. That makes sense when we talk about London and Fox News pundits. We know everyone on MSNBC are all retired CIA, but we don’t watch England as carefully for same thing: Retired generals now selling weapons for Raytheon. Retired MI6 Crookes, pushing points on TV.

    “suggesting that the “deal chaos” is not a singular glitch by Trump confined to the Iran issue, but rather is a consistent pattern of dysfunctionality repeating itself across virtually all of Trump’s “peace” initiatives.”

    Like so. And how we are daily at war and bombing Russia and Venezuela because he hates peace so much. Oh wait: the #Opposite. We have no Peace initiatives, which is why Abraham Accord was signed in his first term, an epic plan or success.

    the true objective of the 28 February US-Israeli sneak attack was never regime change per se — aiming to swap out Iranian “hardliners” for a “Delcy Rodrigues”-style more moderate leader; but was intended rather, to bring about Iran’s complete destruction and fracturing — an insight that was bound to shift Iran’s calculus.”

    Ding Ding Ding! Yes. Iran’s STRATEGY was to be 31 parts that can’t be beheaded. Okay then. Then what? We LET you be 31 regions, and…?

    Yes, now you’re not a country, are you? You’re a county. Not that we wouldn’t have loved to get a coup, regime change, collapse, whatever, we are working from Plan B to Plan ZZ. This is just Strategy 101. Like ask any Army person what is the very next thing they would write in a policy document, it’s this. There’s no “Outside the Box”, this is as checklist, inside the box as is possible to be. Experts still can’t understand it, like moving pawn E4.

    Got it? Okay, add this: The Coast by Kuwait with all the oil isn’t “Persian”. It isn’t Tehran. It’s Arab, a different people, and you can shave off that 31st region into a new nation. …If you want, or are lucky, etc, although I see no evidence of this yet. Just saying, “Oh, there ARE actually options.” Tehran is safe in the granite mountains VERY FAR AWAY from there. They can’t be got, but they can’t project power to Kharg and Kuwait either for the same reasons.

    Details, not crayons.

    “• The IPO Boom: Where Will the Money Come From? (Michael Lebowitz)

    Short answer: Margin. Where all money comes from. He’s not wrong about rebalancing though, and it will have an impact. Also “they” get “the memo” that “They” won’t let it fall…meaning they WILL let it fall after they’ve made cake. This happened before in the last crashes, they have some options to levitate and delay, although it’s not free.

    “Elizabeth Warren is calling for the SEC to delay the mega SpaceX IPO.”

    Warren attacks everything all the time as part of her professional extortion racket. That’s why they had the Consumer Protection Agency, to be Vinny and Tony and break kneecaps for her. No? Note that ALL drug money in hundred billions runs through there. Fargo was creating millions of fake accounts and bouncing checks against them, and: No protection. You have to PAY for protection, citizen. You are the meal, not the diner.

    SpaceX being worth more than All companies combined – just as Tesla was back when – shows how out of like the market is and we have no price discovery. In decades.

    “TRUMP RESTARTS IRAN WAR, ECONOMIC COLLAPSE INEVITABLE”

    My living Lord. Either it never stopped, or it hasn’t started. Pick one. You’re just making things up. Here give me a chart of TNT equivalent week-by-week. Nothing. We’re way, way, way down from early on. Nothing has started at all.

    Economic Collapse IS inevitable. … Someday. Do you mean in the next 10 years? Five? Five days? When? “We just say things.”

    And that collapse will be in EUROPE it seems, not here. Now all pan-Europe collapsing WILL harm us and shut markets, but if the drop a nuke on THEMSELVES daily, that’s inevitable. It’s not “From Iran”. It’s not “From Trump”. If a guy wants to commit suicide it’s vary hard to stop them even though it will have fallout on us.

    “URGENT: Iran’s RETALIATION Begins – Missiles Hit Jordan After US Attack on Iran”

    Did anyone notice?

    Resource/Famines: If there’s no resource wars or famine will you pay me $1,000? What does that mean? Is there famine now somewhere? I was promised this 1,000x in the last 20 years. In fact we lost some toilet paper for a few months.

    “Ultimately, if money is a “claim on goods and services” it is, in reality, a claim on the energy required to make these things available.”

    I mean yes, and I say that all the time. However, all the real things still exist too. As I note from the Depression, all the rails, mines, farms, cars, power lines all existed unchanged from 1925 and 1935. Yet we were “Poor”. Huh? We had the same houses and jobs. Poor how?

    Here it’s the opposite, you’re calling it a “Claim on reality” and well-taken. However, we do the opposite of the usual and lop one zero OFF the banknote. Usually we add a zero, 100 zeros, until it’s 1Billion Zimbabwe per egg. Here we lop a zero OFF the banknote.

    We have the same country, with the same roads, rails, factories, etc. Exact same wealth everyone is using just fine today. What changes if, say, there is a Paper-dissolving disease and some fungus eats all the paper, all the titles and claims to it. Anything? No, Farmer Brown drives the same tractor to grow the same food. Claims are irrelevant.

    This is what I say when “China refuses to buy US Soybeans!” There are X soybeans on Planet Dirt, and Y people to eat them. Every soybean will be eaten by someone. Trading around WHICH soybean is irrelevant.

    The claim question IS relevant and it DOES cause collapses, Depressions. I’m just setting the baseline: Why? Why should it? It’s optional. Voluntary.

    The easiest thing is to PROSECUTE CRIME. Then we re-allocate the goods of the criminals back to the people, and no one is poor anymore. If not, they can serve time if they won’t pay fines, I prefer it actually. So all this money “Rich people hold” is indeed fake. And it’s also illegally acquired, mostly, as they got it in a crooked casino. That’s not hard to prove.

    Although executed incredibly badly, this is what FDR did, holding Capitalists in a bucket to make the people not go full Communist Revolution. The Capitalists fought him tooth and nail.

    “there are clear financial incentives to push the world into chaos, and to reap the immense profits to be made on war”

    FDR then did this. We don’t know what the deals were, but it seems they got the British Empire to force us to war, we did, then we attempted to end and unseat them (quid pro quo when the war ended), which we sort of did with British post-colonialism and Suez Crisis. However, London/Europe went a layer deeper underground in control and back-conquered us from within (as with OSS, Paper Clip). I’m just saying FDR may have been a bastard, but was also aware, and made a 50% play at screwing them and righting the ship. They killed him and took over anyway, but slowly. So good guy or bad guy? He was pushing in the right direction but could only do so much…like everyone else does. How do you score card that?

    “War is a Racket”. Yes. But is it OUR racket? Who specifically?

    Ran out of time.

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