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    Vincent van Gogh The sower 1888   • Why Has “Ivermectin” Become a Dirty Word? (Taibbi) • Feds Now See the Need for Funding Antivirals (TSN) • Wha
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle June 19 2021]

    #77728
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Vincent van Gogh The sower 1888

    Love it…anybody who has been a sower can relate…
    Just gorgeous…

    #77729
    Germ
    Participant

    COVID-19 mRNA vaccines. Are two doses really necessary? The second dose greatly increases the adverse event risk. That is a fact.

    Trial site news-

    How Many Lives are Expendable for a 100% Boost in Vaccine Revenue?

    How Many Lives are Expendable for a 100% Boost in Vaccine Revenue?

    #77730
    absolute galore
    Participant

    Yesterday, I wrote:
    > And anybody who thinks they have their hands on the controls is even more deluded and mixed up than the restivus.
    Bill7 wrote:
    I’ll disagree with that assertion. Sixteen months of bludgeoning us with fear-porn, lockdowns, [anti]social distancing, and “vaccines” seem to me to have served their instigators quite well. And they’re just getting started.

    I agree. What I was trying to say was that, in the end, their actions will not produce the results and scenarios they are envisioning. The system itself is too big for anyone to direct it at this point. Any human inputs made with the idea of creating precise outcomes for the future will not be effective.

    zerosum brought up the economics of all this. This is one of the factors they are not taking into account. Just keeping all these vaccines at the right temp is quite a logistics hurdle. Gail Tverberg mentioned the inability to keep funding producing distributing vaccines will become an issue at some point going forward.

    So will the task of keeping labs with gain of function research secure. We now have the not unlikely scenario of some variety of terrrorist or criminal ransoming the entire world over threat of releasing a killer disease (one that their scientists have a limited antidote for.) Other possibilities include sabotaging the vaccines in some way.. I meant to include GoF research as one of the most insane pursuits we’ve managed to come up with so far.

    #77731

    Yes, Germ, nice headline and all, but I’m increasingly uncomfortable with this approach. What TrialSiteNews should be doing is not go with Pfizer data (never trust a manufacturer), but compare the effects of ivermectin (+ preferably HCQ), prophylactic and post infection, VERSUS those Pfizer data.

    And if those data are not available, make sure you get them. How many lives are expendable indeed, but that question is no longer about one or two doses – if it ever was-. You must include zero doses + antivirals, or the whole thing is utterly useless, and you’re just a Pfizer PR arm.

    #77732
    absolute galore
    Participant

    Re: Taibbi being a bit late to the game. Raul suggested he should apologize. A commenter yesterday (sorry, running out, hard to dig through for names) suggested he post the full article outside his paywall. That would be a nice start.

    I get what he is saying about Ivermectin being lumped with “conspiracy theories”, but it’s a little too convenient. That’s one of the dangers of censorship of course.

    The irony is that the MSM is the biggest source of disinformation we have. Also, to label the idea that someone does not want to use the term “insurrection” to describe the events of January 6 as “disinformation” is insane. That is a viewpoint, not disinformation.

    #77733
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    What I was trying to say was that, in the end, their actions will not produce the results and scenarios they are envisioning. The system itself is too big for anyone to direct it at this point. Any human inputs made with the idea of creating precise outcomes for the future will not be effective.

    We’re too far down the rabbit-hole of financial and available-energy decline for any attempted Great Reset to be anything other than an abysmal failure. The attempt to implement this misbegotten project, however, could still do a lot of damage we could well live without as we negotiate financial and available-energy decline.

    #77734
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    Whoops, didn’t mean to put my own comment in that second paragraph within the blockquote!

    #77736
    Dr. D
    Participant

    “the degree to which science has become intertwined with politics.”

    Because it’s not Science. It’s “Do What You’re Told.” Fauci himself said so, and he says he’s “science.” Heard people now have to ask their doctors specifically for the MEDICAL opinion, as opposed to their Political opinion, which is different. “Right, well, okay then, medically, I’d say this instead.” No one notices. Systems normal.

    the need to censor hate speech, calls for violence, and falsity,” Kory says, “and they’ve put science on the same shelf.”

    This always, always happens with censorship, and always immediately. This is the most predictable thing since rain.

    Nobody seed it coming, because not just math illiterate, but history illiterate, and clearly science illiterate, or just: illiterate. Illiterate, Ignorant, and PROUD! When you’ve got a choice between lies and knowledge, the answer is always, always clear. We will fight FOR lies, AGAINST truth, in service of EGO. Ask any scientist. They’re worse than an 8th grade clique. “Troy is a myth” “Continental drift doesn’t exist” “Epigenesis is junk science.”

    And all we had to do was kill a million people! Done!!! Tra-lala! And now we lie and won’t admit it! Busy-busy. Helping!

    Dr. Anthony Fauci [said] “New antivirals …would be powerful tools for battling the pandemic and saving lives.”

    You mean like the HCQ cure for SARS Tony published at the CDC in 2005? That kind of tool? See above. Deny everything. Kill a million people. Defend Ego for profit.

    the AstraZeneca vaccine, which has not been approved by the Food and Drug Administration”

    Huh? NONE of the vaccines were approved. Astra was the same lab-rat trial as the rest I heard. Sooooo….now you all need to be vaccinated twice? Or with Sinovac, three times? Or with an earlier case – as we refuse: to the death!!! to give antibody tests – four times, with God’s vaccine? For a disease that’s 99.97% survivable. Riiiiiiiiiiiight. And I’M the crazy one. Jesus H. Christos, can you come back and end this please?

    Germany’s CureVac jab to be only 47% effective”

    What’s the difference? 47% = 99.974%, vs almost perfect vaccine at 99.999% Wow! I see what you did there. 0.003 whole percent! I don’t care if it kills me: Shut up and take my money!

    The obligation will apply in the fall once all the opportunities for the voluntary vaccination of citizens have been exhausted”

    Um…what? It’s voluntary until it’s mandatory? I’m not a genius, but that sounds a lot like “mandatory”: There is no “voluntary”. See yesterday’s comment about people disagreeing in psych studies. It’s not voluntary: they’ll track you down with drones, arrest, beat, imprison you when they’re 100% safe according to themselves. Because that’s what the good guys do! Cut free speech, make all actions mandatory with no exceptions, allow no appeal, track you down with the military, and round you up in camps. Then make you PAY for it! …If you’re in Canada, but we’re hardly different. Sure glad they elected Justin for being hunky. ‘Cause he says it’s the last election you’re allowed.

    article claimed that Americans have such class envy that the government would “destroy [billionaires’] fortunes so that the rest of us don’t have to look at them.”

    That is true, and like Envy, Pride is also a deadly sin. So we have a whole month for it, while teaching special self-esteem classes in school. They’re missing the point: billionaires exist because of their merger with government. That is, they are a direct symbol of fascism and oppression, direct hundred-billion$$ payments, of flouting every law, including OSHA and Monopoly laws. The laws don’t apply to them, only their workers. THAT’S the problem. But they want a “wealth tax” to fix it, where if you took 100% of all wealth, you couldn’t balance the budget for ONE year. But you would crash the market, destroy employment, end industry, put everyone in caves, AND keep the billionaires in power, since they’re a MERGER of corporation and state, they would give up their seats in business, and keep their seats of influence through Congress. Duh. …Or did you think they were going to pass laws to destroy themselves? That Soviet Socialism had no oligarchs and insiders? History. Illiterate. It’s been 200 years. SURELY it’s time to admit this DOESN’T WORK. Have you tried competition, with a free market, unrigged prices, and bankruptcy? A: Neither has anybody else.

    “Who Is a “Terrorist” in Biden’s America? (Whitney Webb)”

    Everyone who didn’t vote for Biden. Everyone who doesn’t Do What They’re Told! And give their pensions to Daimon, their daughters to Epstein. Racists, I’d reckon. Anyone who didn’t vote for the guy who loves the Crime Bill and is on camera saying “we don’t need no n—-r mayors” and the woman who rounded up innocent black boys for slave labor to pay private prisons, well, they’re clearly racists. QED. But cities who have the highest murder and desperation rate in America, where you can’t drink the water and 100% of graduates are illiterate? Side of the angels, I tell you. True-blue. Home schooled Amish, working 14 hours? The devil. Trust me. My ten Ferraris in my ten mansions don’t lie.

    But really: Terrorists are anyone who follows the Law. Really. You can’t make this stuff up: it’s too too stupid. The Constitution, that is, Federal Law, is the top symbol of terror and terrorists. The FBI has said so, as they haven’t followed the Law in 50 years, so they don’t need the competition. So it goes in #OppositeLand. Law = Not Law. Not Law = Law. We enforce laws we DON’T make (like masks and lockdowns) while we DON’T enforce laws we DO make (like raping children in Manhattan apartments with Wall Street traders who committed 100,000 felonies).

    “In 2011, Mother Jones published an outstanding, lengthy investigation”

    Ah, but Trump said p—-y so the FBI and CIA are your friends now. All the children they blow up in Syria are GOOD blow-ups. Chomsky and MLK would be so proud. “Dude, Where’s My Party?”

    “wild, baseless theory,”

    This is useful language, because if they resort to it the allegation they “debunk” (another phrase) is 100% true. Saves time.

    Or as I say to save time: “If they said it, it’s a lie.” Still working pretty well. I pray for the day….

    #77738
    zerosum
    Participant

    Here is my homework contribution to TAE
    taibbi.substack.com/p/why-has-ivermectin-become-a-dirty
    Why Has “Ivermectin” Become a Dirty Word?
    At the worst moment, Internet censorship has driven scientific debate itself underground
    Matt Taibbi

    vcreporter.com/2021/02/ventura-hospital-chief-with-covid-treated-at-home/

    She uploaded the talk on YouTube, and “lo and behold, it got taken down.

    “But due to the lack of accepted standard of care for early treatment, many doctors don’t treat COVID-19 before it escalates, meaning many patients may find access to a potentially effective treatment blocked. Most people who test positive for COVID-19 are not given any early treatment recommendations; many who get sick will receive no treatment until they are admitted to the hospital.

    The suggested treatment protocol ideally begins when someone first tests positive for COVID-19. Patients are started on a daily “nutraceutical bundle” of zinc sulfate (220 mg), Vitamin D (5000 IU), Vitamin C (3000 mg), and a flavonoid called quercetin (500 mg), found in several fruits and vegetables, which reduces viral replication. (2) All are available over the counter.

    For those 50 years or older with one or more comorbidities, an intravenous infusion of monoclonal antibodies is suggested. In addition, the patient is immediately started on an array of anti-infective agents, which includes hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, azithromycin, doxycycline, and favipiravir. Some patients are started on a steroid like prednisone, and some are given an anticoagulant. (2)

    This treatment protocol is a roadmap for a standard of care to begin with, but doctors adapt it to the individual.

    “I think two tiers of doctors have emerged,” offered McCullough. “One tier is engaging with patients, treating patients in that pre-hospital phase, markedly reducing hospitalization and deaths. The other tier just don’t feel comfortable doing it.”

    The failure to treat COVID-19 early is the greatest American tragedy and public health blunder in history.” (4)

    McCullough also recommended a “layer of early preventive nutraceuticals,” including zinc, Vitamin D, Vitamin C and quercetin, taken daily.
    “None are curative,” he explained. “But it is true that those who are just a little deficient end up with a more severe case. I definitely recommend these daily through the pandemic.”

    References
    1. Papoutsis, A., Borody, T., Dolai, S. et al. Detection of SARS-CoV-2 from patient fecal samples by whole genome sequencing. Gut Pathog 13, 7 (2021). doi.org/10.1186/s13099-021-00398-5: Online at: gutpathogens.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13099-021-00398-5
    2. Report from published information of 57 medical professionals including Dr. Peter A. McCullough and Dr. Sabine Hazan: WEB Multifaceted highly targeted sequential multidrug treatment of early ambulatory high-risk SARS-CoV-2 infection (COVID-19)-2.
    3. Nov. 19, 2021 Senate hearing of the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs: http://www.hsgac.senate.gov/hearings/early-outpatient-treatment-an-essential-part-of-a-covid-19-solution.

    4. Brian C. Procter, Casey Ross, Vanessa Pickard, Erica Smith, Cortney Hanson, Peter A. McCullough. Clinical outcomes after early ambulatory multidrug therapy for high-risk SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) infection. Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine, 2020, 21(4): 611-614 doi:10.31083/j.rcm.2020.04.260. Online at: rcm.imrpress.com/article/2020/2153-8174/RCM2020260.shtml

    Those who have tested positive for COVID-19 and are interested in joining a local COVID-19 clinical trial can contact Ventura Clinical Trials at: 805-339-0221 or visit http://www.venturaclinicaltrials.com/contact-us/.

    For information on the three active clinical trials related to early treatment of COVID visit the links below at http://www.clinicaltrials.gov:

    1. Trial testing hydroxychloraquine, azithromycin with Vitamin C, Vitamin D and Zinc: clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04334512
    2. Trial testing hydroxychloraquine, Vitamin C, Vitamin D and Zinc: clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04335084?term=ProgenaBiome&recrs=ab&draw=7&rank=37
    3. Trial testing ivermectin, hydroxychloraquine, doxycycline and Vitamin C, Vitamin D and Zinc: clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04482686?term=ProgenaBiome&recrs=ab&draw=7&rank=39 “

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    The horse has left the barn. Close the door.
    trialsitenews.com/feds-now-see-the-need-for-funding-antivirals-trialsite-will-track-the-spend-carefully/

    a new program under Dr. Anthony Fauci’s NIAID called the “Antiviral Program for Pandemics” will target the 90% of cases involving either asymptomatic to mild-to-moderate SARS-CoV-2 infection.

    ….they’re about a year or more late in the game, and unfortunately, the lives lost can’t be changed.

    Ivermectin’s now at 60 clinical trials and ACTIV finally came around to including that promising drug that’s already been authorized for the COVID-19 indication in several countries. TrialSite was there to tell the world that ivermectin absolutely zaps SARS-CoV-2 in the lab down in Australia. TrialSite then systematically chronicled one ivermectin study after another, the overwhelming majority of which showed positive results while government and industry, and of course mainstream media looked the other way.”

    #77739
    Dave Note
    Participant

    From yesterday’s top blurb:

    “…just a reminder.. a genuinely deadly pandemic doesn’t require 24/7 advertising to remind you it exists. Real pandemics don’t need marketing campaigns and endless propaganda… but psychological operations DO.”

    .

    The sheer desperation to push the untested ‘un-vaccine’ (mRNA therapy) is a giant blinking neon sign saying FRAUD.

    And Fascist Fraud Faust Fauci is the Main Pimp.

    He has had some of his bark stripped off him by the lastest lying emails but we haven’t got down to his thin skin yet.

    He needs to be flayed alive.

    #77740
    BrandX
    Participant

    56-Year-old Greek Woman Dies Minutes After Second Pfizer Vaccine

    56-Year-old Greek Woman Dies Minutes After Second Pfizer Vaccine

    #77741
    zerosum
    Participant

    I SURVIVED THE VACCINES
    (Insert your favorite image)

    #77742
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    #77743
    zerosum
    Participant

    Peak Prosperity
    Energy in – more Energy out = starvation = death
    Minimum Wage – higher Essential cost = poverty = failed of american dream = revolts
    Peak Prosperity,( pie getting smaller) = avoiding breakdown of society = reduced consumption or reduced population

    #77744
    DarkMatter
    Participant

    I am involved in an ongoing thread about Covid 19 on Reddit. I stated that the spike proteins are pathogens and go through out the body. I believed this to be established scientific fact. Other people respond that this is not the case. They site Derek Lowe (who has worked for big pharma since 1989) at https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/05/04/spike-protein-behavior who says the spike proteins stay at the injection site and also site other sources that the spike proteins are engineered to be benign. They quote yet other sources that say that Bret Weinstein and Bryam Bridle are basically antivaxx trolls. Does anyone know an absolutely authoritative source for the spike proteins being being found in the blood stream after vaccination and proof that the spike proteins from the vaccine being pathogens?

    #77745
    DarkMatter
    Participant

    I am involved in an ongoing thread about Covid 19 on Reddit. I stated that the spike proteins are pathogens and go through out the body. I believed this to be established scientific fact. Other people respond that this is not the case. They site Derek Lowe (who has worked for big pharma since 1989) at https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/05/04/spike-protein-behavior who says the spike proteins stay at the injection site and also site other sources that the spike proteins are engineered to be benign. They quote yet other sources that say that Bret Weinstein and Bryam Bridle are basically antivaxx trolls. Does anyone know an absolutely authoritative source for the spike proteins being being found in the blood stream after vaccination and proof that the spike proteins from the vaccine being pathogens?

    #77746
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    They quote yet other sources that say that Bret Weinstein and Bryam Bridle are basically antivaxx trolls.

    Yep, and anybody who doesn’t love Hillary the Harpy is an alt-right Trumpster. Gotta love that Reddit l0jjik.

    #77747
    Maxwell Quest
    Participant

    “Why Has “Ivermectin” Become a Dirty Word? (Taibbi)”

    “Taibbi should ask not only “Why Has “Ivermectin” Become a Dirty Word?” but also “When Has “Ivermectin” Become a Dirty Word?”. And then apologize to his readers for completely missing the story for a year, or at least the half year it’s been since Kory’s Senate testimony -which he talks about- was cancelled.”

    Yes, Taibbi is late to the party on this one. Good thing, too, because those that were early took a real beating. Certainly, he knew what was going on with Ivermectin, but chose to ignore it. Lately, however, ivermectin has penetrated the media firewall and made it into the public consciousness. More and more dissidents are writing and talking about it, even Bret Weinstein and Joe Rogan for god sakes, so it should be safe now to come out of hiding. Alas, the damage has already been done.

    Dear Matt, here are a couple of other topics that are now safe to write about: Wuhan lab leaks and UFO’s.

    Like the bloke in the “Roadmap to Recovery” twitter video and the Buffalo Bills’ wide receiver Cole Beasley both implied, what humanity needs now more than anything is courage.

    #77748
    Django
    Participant

    Crazed antivaxxers also always have something interesting and often chilling to say. I hope Luc Montagnier and Judy Mikovits are wrong.

    #77749
    Noirette
    Participant

    WES wrote: President Trump was impeached for suspending military aid to the Ukraine (something he never did). Today joe actually suspends military aid to the Ukraine. Shouldn’t joe be impeached?

    Along the same lines… Trump’s plan was to ‘ally’ or cozy up to Russia, while fighting a ‘commercial’ and perhaps other non-kinetic war > China, in essence stopping the two others ganging up.

    He was prevented from doing so by accepted by him neo-con advisors (never thought I’d see Bolton on stage again) and endless attacks on Orange Man Bad, Russia Russia Russia! screeched out by the like of R. Maddow, Dems, etc. Yeah, that’s the short version. He wanted (or said..) to withdraw from Afgh. He showed no interest in Ukraine whatsoever, let them solve their own problems.

    Now the Bidadmin is implementing similar policies. Some kind of at least pause or temporary ‘hold-off’ in Russia-US relations, throwing Ukraine under the bus, withdrawing from Afgh. (complicated ..), and returning to the Obama Era by re-instating the JCPOA (in the sense of trying to do that..) And that is all SUPER COOL rah_ rah ! Dems or whatever.

    Biden’s first foreign trip was to Russia (stopping off along the way to assure the EuroTrash that the US is still Master and ObimanEra is back after the Trump disruption – DT cared nothing for the EU and considered NATO useless..), while DT’s first visit was to Riyhad, then to Israel. He then flew to Rome, went to Vatican City.

    In a way, seen from afar, it is plus ca change plus c’est la même chose. Bush Junior presided the creation of the GWOT, went for Afgh. Iraq… Obiman went after Lybia, Syria, Trump was dead set on attacking Iran .. Meanwhile KSA massacres Yemen. So what next with the Bidadmin?

    It is like the ‘most powerful’ country on earth is in the grips of Mafia-like Struggles at the Top. *Taking for granted that none of them care for US ppl. at all.)

    #77750
    Bill7
    Participant

    absolute galore: thanks for fleshing out your comment from yesterday regarding the Few’s plans. You could be right, and I certainly do hope you are.

    B7

    #77751
    Bill7
    Participant

    Diane Archer at the fine JustCare site mentioned in a blog post today that hospital ER admissions were down 27% in 2020- despite the “pandemic”- while profits went through the roof..

    so confusing

    #77753
    Germ
    Participant

    Too little, Too late or, Better Late than Never?

    The University of Minnesota trial of Fluvoxamine, Ivermectin and Metformin is ongoing and a researcher declares that, from preliminary findings,:

    “many people were having less extreme symptoms” – duh!!

    “UMN receives $1.5 million for COVID-19 treatment trial”

    UMN receives $1.5 million for COVID-19 treatment trial

    https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04510194

    #77754
    Adlertag
    Participant

    https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uks-longest-known-covid-patient-was-begged-by-wife-not-to-end-treatment-before-he-died-12336139
    Died of a computer simulation, of course was an IT worker all makes sense now. Won’t be added to the figures as didn’t succumb within 28 days just played the game for 13 months.

    #77755
    Django
    Participant

    I know a lot of care workers because it’s one of the few jobs available in the mountains. They told me flu shots were dodgy and tended to accelerate decline in the people they looked after. The Covid injections are many times more toxic. I wonder sometimes. The pension system in Spain is very fragile indeed. Less people paying in to the fund all the time. They tried to impose a tax on Google to make it to the end of the month and were laughed out of town.

    #77756
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    @ Dark Matter
    I haven’t the time at the moment to go through prior TAE posts or to go through my (now voluminous) bookmarks regarding Covid & vaccines at the moment, however, this may help you find what you are looking for…

    Spike protein throughout body:
    * study that collected blood samples at intervals post vaccination and found spike protein the the blood samples up to 30 days post vaccination. If it is in the blood, it is well-dispersed in the body.
    * the report on the (Pfizer, I think) study about their lipid nanoparticles “biodistribution.” The report came by means of Japanese authorities. The study was of just the nanoparticles, without the mRNA inside of them. (As far as I remember, there was no animal or human study done on mRNA vaccine biodistribution prior to EUA.). The lipid nanoparticles did not stay at the injection site, but rather were found to have collected in various organs throughout the body: ovaries, bone marrow, testes, spleen, etc. A basic understanding of the mRNA vaccine suggests that wherever the mRNA encased in lipid nanoparticles ends up is where it is going to invade a cell and hijack it to become a spike protein factory.

    Regarding danger of the spike protein…there is literature/studies about the Covid pathogen that have found that the severe form of Covid disease appears to be a circulatory disease, with the spike protein being a driver of the circulatory issues, leading to clots (thrombosis), possibly contributing to Covid brain fog, etc. However, there seemed to be some hedging by experts who wanted to distance the spike protein of the Covid virus from the spike protein encoded by the mRNA/DNA (adenovector) vaccines. Personally, I found that the hedging “smelled like a rat,” and distrusted it. The question ends up being: is the spike protein that is encoded by the vaccine mRNA/DNA disabled? (If it is not disabled, than it can cause the same harm as the Covid spike protein.)

    My hunch is this:
    The spike protein encoded by the mRNA/DNA vaccines is not “disabled.”
    Why?
    Because if it had been disabled, this would have been explained to the public when the vaccines were rolled out. The narrative surrounding vaccine roll out was careful constructed, with “safety” being the all important by-word. We received all sorts of explanations of how mRNA vaccine technology works. We became super familiarized with the concept of the spike protein and how its production was going to spur the immune system to create antibodies. If TPTB had anticipated that the public would be concerned about the pathogenicity of the spike protein, then they would have assured us in advance that it had been disabled. This was not done. Therefore, it was not disabled. Attempts to distance the Covid spike protein from the vaccine inspired spike protein is, at this stage in the game, sleight of hand and nothing more. It is TPTB controlling information in order to control the thoughts and behavior of the public. It’s a psyop.

    #77757
    WES
    Participant

    Saw a study (ZH?) saying covid eats away at brain matter. If true would explain a lot of long term mental issues we hear about. Since the vaccines inject the covid spike protein that would help explain Django’s comments about seniors dying and going downhill faster than pre vaccine.

    Django’s earlier comment regarding elder care workers losing their jobs due to many retirement home seniors dying after being vax’ed sure rang a bell with me!

    Now the note, that seniors are declining faster rings the bell again! Only louder!

    Thanks Django for reporting what you are hearing from senior care takers.

    #77758
    Bill7
    Participant

    Edward Curtin- ‘What I Know and Don’t Know about SARS-CoV-2 Virus’:

    “..I know that vast numbers of people have been hypnotized by fear, threats, and bribes to accept the corporate mainstream media’s version of COVID-19. I have concluded that many millions are moving in a trance state and do not know this. They have been induced into this state by a well-organized, very sophisticated propaganda campaign that has drawn on the human fear of death and disease. Those behind this have no doubt studied the high incidence of hypochondriasis in the general population and the fear of an invisible “virus” in societies where belief in God and the spiritual invisible has been replaced by faith in science. Knowing their audience well, they have concocted a campaign of fear and confusion to induce obedience.
    I do not know but suspect that those who have been so hypnotized tend to be mainly members of the middle to the upper classes, those who have invested so much belief in the system. This includes the highly schooled.
    I know that to lockdown hundreds of millions of healthy people, to insist they wear useless masks, to tell them to avoid human contacts, to destroy the economic lives of regular people have created vast suffering that was meant to teach people a lesson about who was in control and that they better revise their understanding of human relations to adjust to the new digital unreality that the producers of this masquerade are trying to put in place of flesh and blood, face to face human reality..”

    What I Know and Don’t Know about SARS-CoV-2 Virus

    The Few *want us* to know.

    #77759
    WES
    Participant

    Off topic:

    The Arizona Senate’s Phoenix vote audit still has several more months to run. They have completed the hand count of ballots (took 2 months).

    Now they have to match the signatures of 1.9 million mail-in envelopes to their ballots.

    Yet to be started is the electronic audit of the routers and the vote tabulation machines for which the Phoenix election board is refusing to hand over the passwords. They currently say they don’t have the passwords! I think they are also refusing access to the routers or tabulation machines. All despite state court orders! Nice to be able to ignore the law!

    Auditing places/addresses where multiple ballots were mailed from has not been started yet. This will require people visiting each place. I suspect this will be a big problem as those who oppose the vote audit already know all of these addresses and will have already taken steps to completely frustrate the auditors. Like nobody ever being home to answer the door! People have moved! Address vacated!

    My guess is what should take 2 months will end up taking 6 months or forever.

    #77760
    Bill7
    Participant

    Adding: Ed Curtin was one of the handful who called BS the Covid-Con from the beginning, and accurately so.

    Perestroika for us proles; vast, newfound wealth for the Very Few.

    #77761
    WES
    Participant

    Phoenixvoice:

    Django’s comments from Spanish retirement home workers that many of the seniors quickly died after receiving the vax and now those seniors who survived the vax are going downhill faster probably confirms that the spike protein remains active.

    We have also seen other reports that the spike protein migrates to other parts of the body. As time goes on, sadly I think we will see the long term damage that active spike proteins are doing.

    #77762
    Django
    Participant

    And WHO THE … do the WHO think they are? Telling women that they shouldn’t drink is not going to make them friends and indluence other people in the circles I am familiar with.

    #77763
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    @ Dr. D
    << Have you tried competition, with a free market, unrigged prices, and bankruptcy? A: Neither has anybody else.>>

    I both enjoy and cringe at your diatribes. You have an acerbic tone, a mixture of bitterness and sarcasm. Often, your analyses are spot on.

    However…
    I find the solution that you pose: “Laissez-faire capitalism! No government interference in the economy! Free markets!”
    …to be unimaginative compared to the brilliance of your analysis.

    “really existing capitalism” : “Laissez-faire, free-market capitalism” :: “really existing communism” : “Marxist ideals.”

    We’ve had great thinkers preaching laissez-fair, no government interference, free market capitalism for over 300 years. We’ve never reached it. When we’ve gotten close, it has driven itself to monopolies and poverty and child labor – this was why the “labor movement” was birthed. The drive of capitalism towards monopoly and most resources being controlled by a small segment of the population was studied in great deal by Thomas Picketty.

    You can accurately make a similar analysis of Marxism – Lenin’s Marxism led to Stalin’s “communism” which was a brutal, totalitarian regime. The USSR ultimately became a failed communist state. Mao’s “communism” has led to the repressive Chinese state – which, although its economic gains in the past 40 years has been impressive – the freedom of its people is problematic. And China still has super-wealthy along with great poverty.

    If I were to tell you that the “solution” is simply to be purist about Marx’s ideals, you would scoff at me and excoriate me.

    Why do you expect anyone to do any differently when you claim that “free markets” are going to cure us of our current woeful version of “really existing capitalism?”

    Look, neither really-existing capitalism nor really-existing socialism/communism are going to bring us into an improved economic system. If we are going to improve upon what we have, we are going to have to think outside the box and find a new paradigm.

    What are the common threads between both “really-existing” capitalism and communism? What are the successes of each type of system? (Because both systems *do* have successes as well as failures.)

    I don’t propose that I know all of the common threads. However…
    • Both systems devolve into corruption caused by too much political/economic power being wielded by a small group of people who then warp the system to perpetuate their own wealth and power.
    • Therefore, a better system would need to, by default, prevent the aggregation of wealth/power into few hands.
    • Or, another way of stating it, power/wealth needs to tend away from aggregation.
    • Or, another way of viewing — local power needs to exceed power from far away: i.e. local rule is stronger than federal rule. Confederacy rather than federalism. If local power is the strongest, but it can only exert itself locally, then it is more difficult for small numbers of people to exert influence over larger numbers.
    • One proposal I’m aware of to prevent the few from ruling the many is “worker cooperatives” – each member gets one vote in decisions. This is very democratic, and while it won’t prevent every possibly excess of business, it will create an environment that is less likely to produce many of the problems that we see now. It is less likely that a democratic process will force some of its members to lose their jobs, or to relocate their jobs to a foreign country, or to pollute the land above the aquafer used for the water that runs through their own homes.

    Any other common threads?

    #77764
    Germ
    Participant

    PCR tests are crap.

    “In light of our findings that more than half of individuals with positive PCR test results are unlikely to have been infectious, RT-PCR test positivity should not be taken as an accurate measure of infectious SARS-CoV-2 incidence. Our results confirm the findings of others that the routine use of “positive” RT-PCR test results as the gold standard for assessing and controlling infectiousness fails to reflect the fact “that 50-75% of the time an individual is PCR positive, they are likely to be post-infectious” ”

    https://www.journalofinfection.com/article/S0163-4453(21)00265-6/fulltext

    #77765
    Germ
    Participant

    Remember this as they come for our children.

    “Covid-19: Data dispels myth of young people being more at risk”

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/83558847.cms

    #77766
    Germ
    Participant

    REVEALED: Google Funded Wuhan Institute Of Virology’s Top Research Partner Peter Daszak For Over A Decade.

    Could this explain why big tech silenced debate on the origins of COVID-19?

    REVEALED: Google & USAID Funded Wuhan Collaborator Peter Daszak’s Virus Experiments For Over A Decade.

    #77767
    Germ
    Participant

    Ooops.
    Well, at least it wasn’t a self inflicted nail gun shot to the back of the head:

    Vice President of the Chinese Nuclear Society, Zhang Zhijian falls from building in apparent suicide 1 week after Taishan Nuclear Power Plant was declared an “imminent radiological threat” due to damaged fuel rods & gas leaks.

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3137939/leading-chinese-nuclear-scientist-dies-fall-building

    #77768
    Bill7
    Participant

    Andrew Anglin has a new column up at Unz with much that’s very plausible in it regarding the recent flip-flop on OMG! Covid!.
    I won’t link to it, because it has the usual deliberately-make-it-useless-as-a-source race-baiting in it.

    Decide for yourself; parsing the comments there can be useful, too. This thing goes deep, deep, deep- makes the curious events of September 2001 and their aftermath look like kid stuff.

    #77769
    absolute galore
    Participant

    Ivan Illich posited that both socialism and capitalism get corrupted by too much energy input. I quoted the passage from Energy and Equity here a couple of days ago. The predicament is that we don’t seem to have the capacity to grasp this fact. And even if we did, we show no ability to voluntarily curtail our intake. In fact we have designed our economy in precisely the opposite direction, requiring more and more output, which requires ever vaster quantities of energy. As he pointed out in 1974, at the same time this not only degrades the environment but also social relations. And it gives rise to a powerful technocracy.
    Growing inequity? Check
    Increasing social upheaval? Check
    Degrading environment? Check
    Vast and powerful technocracy? Check.
    Ivan would be sad.

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