June 27, 2021 at 7:40 pm #78408
@Kimo: “USA Socialism: The debate is over.”
But … how to flush “A generation of progressive leaders, and those farther left” from the system …June 27, 2021 at 8:06 pm #78409ctbarnumParticipant
There is some hope. London protest.
Looking forward to the corporate and state media's total lack of coverage of the tens or hundreds of thousands of folks about to take part in today's #londonprotest. After all, if it isn't on the telly or the Internet, it didn't happen! Freedom is slavery! Ignorance is strength! pic.twitter.com/NvzjPtK44g
— Consent Factory (@consent_factory) June 26, 2021June 27, 2021 at 8:34 pm #78410
@ct: Thank you. GO LONDON!!!!
Oracle films has a lovely video of an earlier London protest. You can still view it on youtube: “Humanity on its Feet | Oracle Films | London 24.04.2021”
I watch it each time I start losing hope. So, a few times a day ….June 27, 2021 at 8:39 pm #78411TAE SummaryParticipant
* The internet is a poisoned well with too many ads; 20% still trust journalists; You can’t give someone a small dose of Covid truth; Drink deep, or taste not that Pierian Spring
* The State
– Look to the state for help with scams
– Military-Medical-Media-Financial-Educational-Industrial Complex rapes and pillages
– Anti-police is anti-poor; Support your 2nd amendment right to arm guards
– Fed does opposite of mandate; Unstable prices and unemployment are good
– Rumsfield/Cebrowski Doctrine needs to be applied to all areas not integrated into the global economy
* Immunity: n. Inherited, acquired, or induced resistance to infection by a specific pathogen; “I have immunity. I was prescribed an Anthelmitic developed by Merck making me immune from Covid.”
* The echo chamber: If a tree falls in TAE and everyone has already heard it 20 times does it make a sound?
* Colbert and Stewart have been married so long they finish each other’s sentences; Live TV is dead; Long live live TV
– Only the machine cares if you’re vaccinated
– The unvaccinated will save us from Marek’s Disaster
– It now appears mRNA vaccines were invented by Eratosthenes
– Four deaths per 100K from vaccines; 2 to 11 deaths from 100K from Covid
– Fall variant will require vaccine booster
– Highly vaccinated countries have higher R ratings; Many say they are only getting this rating because of their use of the F-word when discussing Ivermectin
* Someday the Covid response will be called The War of the Worlds on Leeches
* It’s over; We now know what Socialism looks like in the US; It came wrapped in the drag and carrying the tribal
* “We are not aware if it is thought possible that there is no way to know if there are no known risks”
Modern Science on Covid VaccinesJune 27, 2021 at 8:58 pm #78412
@TAE Summary: I don’t know how the heck you do it but … good golly … got no words … multiple hat tips! Thank you.June 27, 2021 at 9:15 pm #78413absolute galoreParticipant
Upstater: yes, I’m Downstate, Hudson Valley. Weirdly, the supermarket in question is mostly the “old city” residents shopping here, not so much the folks up from the city in the last decade. So doesn’t quite compute, as the bigger supermarket out on the highway strip mall had many more maskless, even a week ago.
…”In a future sane world, people will view the orchestrated panic of the COVID era with the same bemused condescension we might view the supposed War of the Worlds radio invasion scare of 1938, or the bygone use of leeches for seemingly every ailment…”
Uh, what sane future world would that be? Based on energy, finance, drought, heat waves, war, infrastructure, ransomware, disease, civic strife, and all around general idiocy, I fail to spot a sane future in my crystal ball that would have the capability of looking back with condescension.
Here is some MSM on Covid breakthrough. I pulled a couple of interesting sentences.
“You are just as likely to be killed by a meteorite as die from Covid after a vaccine,” Dr. Peter Chin-Hong, an infectious disease expert at the University of California San Francisco, told CNBC. “In the big scheme of things, the vaccines are tremendously powerful.”
The article says 750 people have died after being fully vaccinated (most however are over 65, which makes sense.) I have not seen the articles about people being killed by meteorites. Probably just on the local stations, it being so common.
This was also interesting:
Most Americans have received at least one shot of the two currently authorized mRNA vaccines. The U.S. has administered 178.3 million shots and fully vaccinated 46% of its population.
As used in that sentence, right or wrong, it implied to me a large number, perhaps 80% or more. I realize it does not mention how many received one shot. Why not just report that percentage,like the 46% that have been fully vaccinated, instead of using “most.”It’s kind of like when you are at the supermarket trying to compare prices, and one beer price is listed in ounces, and another is in, I swear, pounds. Take a look at unit pricing next time you go. If it’s anything like my store, it is completely useless.June 27, 2021 at 9:17 pm #78414zerosumParticipant
“@TAE Summary: I don’t know how the heck you do it …..”
He uses a black felt pen to highlight the lines between the dots
🙂 …… 🙂June 27, 2021 at 9:24 pm #78415
@zero: funny! 🙂June 27, 2021 at 9:57 pm #78416
@absolute: Hello! 🙂 The Hudson Valley is lovely. Sorry about the mask thing going on there. Y’all live a bit too close to the levers of power in Albany and NYC. Keep leaving your mask off, maybe you’ll convince others. Maybe my early-on, maskless shopping helped convince others? I’d literally be the only one in the store maskless. Keep trying!
Like you, I was going to comment on that little tidbit: “In a future sane world, people will view the orchestrated panic of the COVID era with the same bemused condescension we might view the supposed War of the Worlds radio invasion scare of 1938, or the bygone use of leeches for seemingly every ailment.”
There is nothing bemusing about what is going on now. People’s lives have been destroyed via extended lockdowns, lack of medical assistance, experimental vaccines and totalitarian policies. Sorry, but there is no comparison here to a 1938 radio show. And, you’ve done well describing the reasons you fail to spot a “sane future” in your crystal ball … enough said.
Stats? None of the numbers make sense anymore. We’ve been failing for decades but kept it under wraps with a girdle. It’s all hanging out now.June 27, 2021 at 10:38 pm #78417
Bottom line, either avoid the landmine or find a new “real life” local pub to hang out in. 😉
Thanks upstateNYer – I needed thatJune 27, 2021 at 10:54 pm #78418GermParticipant
We’ve lost our minds.
Terrifying.June 27, 2021 at 11:16 pm #78419my parents said knowParticipant
Wow, upstateNYer, you have tickled my interest. What would it look like to separate into cities and outlying areas? How would representation go? It would certainly be a fairer system- with consumers paying the prices set by the producers, and the producers setting the prices according to demands….
Large cities have ceased to be job-hubs. They now seem to be tourist and service centers.June 27, 2021 at 11:38 pm #78420
@oxy: Good morning!! 🙂 (I think? You’re in Australia, ay?) Glad you took that positively. Worried I was too blunt.June 27, 2021 at 11:46 pm #78421Doc RobinsonParticipant
“Contra Costa… virtually all those now being infected have not gotten their shots.”
To me, “virtually all,” as used here, is an exaggeration which can be misleading if the numbers aren’t actually revealed and understood. In addition to the questions raised earlier (by upstateNYer) about testing and “cases,” I have some comments.
“As of Friday, the daily average of new cases in Contra Costa County over the previous week among those who have been fully vaccinated was 0.6 per 100,000 residents. But it was 6 per 100,000 among those who are not inoculated — 10 times higher.”
Assuming that their 7-day sample is sufficient data… the 10-times higher infection rate for the unvaccinated is about what would be expected with a 90% effective vaccine. Doesn’t seem as big a deal as it’s made out to be. But I wonder how low this 10-times factor has dropped in other weeks (which could be evidence that the vaccines aren’t actually working as advertised)? Sometimes what’s left out speaks louder than what’s included.
The absolute risk reduction (by what percentage does the vaccine reduce my chances of becoming infected) is very low (about 1% on average, and much less for younger people), and this seems more relevant to the “vaccine hesitant” than the relative risk reduction (especially when considering the actual likelihood of Covid infection), along with concerns about adverse reactions and potentially harmful long-term effects of the vaccines.
Going beyond the number of infections (which are mostly mild cases anyway), the number of deaths attributed to Covid-19 in Contra Costa County has been only 1 per week since the beginning of June. (The published data doesn’t disclose how many of the fatalities were vaccinated.) One death per week out of more than a million people.
And the Covid deaths in that county have been mostly among older people. Since the pandemic started, there have been only 2 deaths from Covid for people age 30 and under, in that county. Meanwhile, “Suicide is the third leading cause of death every year among Contra Costa County residents ages 15 – 34.” That’s during a normal year without lockdowns.
An ABC News story from Contra Costa County last year:
Doctors at John Muir Medical Center in Walnut Creek [in Contra Costa County] say they have seen more deaths by suicide during this quarantine period than deaths from the COVID-19 virus.
The head of the trauma in the department believes mental health is suffering so much, it is time to end the shelter-in-place order… The numbers are unprecedented, he said.
“We’ve never seen numbers like this, in such a short period of time,” he said. “I mean we’ve seen a year’s worth of suicide attempts in the last four weeks.“June 28, 2021 at 12:07 am #78422
@my parents said: interesting concept, isn’t it? A couple months ago, in response to something DeSantis did, Madamski commented that it was the “first shot across the bow” in the Balkanization of the US. I won’t argue with that premise.
How “far down” can/will Balkanization go? Will states themselves Balkanize at some point in the future? (here’s looking at you, Chicago/IL … Boston/MA … New York City/NY … Portland/OR … Seattle/WA …etc.)
My initial thought was, no, states can’t Balkanize because how would that look from a “governing” standpoint? But then I started thinking … what governing? From where? Who is governing which people? How are they doing that? Who is complying? Can “they” make people comply? How? (Americans have guns)
Covid is proving to be one of the key pieces in a puzzle that opened pandora’s box (talk about mixed metaphors) because it has impacted nearly everyone on this planet. Hard to stop the energy flow of *that* once you’ve pushed it out of inertia. I’ve thought for awhile the elite parasites got a bit over their skis on this one.
What would representation look like in smaller localized areas? Similar to what it is now … but the big thumb of big state wouldn’t be squashing local people to keep them from looking out for their own area’s best interests.So local infighting? Yes. Big gov’t? Hopefully not.June 28, 2021 at 12:26 am #78423
Re: Contra Costa. Doc Robinson has a very sharp, double-edged sword. lolJune 28, 2021 at 12:28 am #78424slimyalligatorParticipant
@ Doc Robinson I appreciate your contributions to TAE. Thank youJune 28, 2021 at 1:01 am #78425Veracious PoetParticipant
– Military-Medical-Media-Financial-Educational-Industrial Complex rapes and pillages
You misquoted me, I wouldn’t add Media-Financial-Educational to the – Military-Medical Industrial Complex rape and pillage.
I might add Banking though, as it was part of when the system was created, but now like Media-Financial-Educational it is just subservient to the parasitic/predatory psychopaths…June 28, 2021 at 1:07 am #78426KimoParticipant
Thank you for the compliment. The easy answer is that the Marxist Democrat politicians will be flushed out when a replacement is recognized. Who will that be? It may be tough to swallow, but it’s Trump is part of that answer. He’s perfectly willing to let states go their own way, and I would love a state to make a go of it, sans Federal help. I would expect a comprehensive plan laid out first, and it would need to be small business friendly, and reward co-operative citizens in a way the encourages productivity. Mainstream media would hate it. I’m liking it already! 😉June 28, 2021 at 1:13 am #78427
Bottom line, either avoid the landmine or find a new “real life” local pub to hang out in. 😉
Thanks upstateNYer – I needed thatJune 28, 2021 at 1:13 am #78428
Anal pcr tests for the people you are ‘just not that into’ – no jokeJune 28, 2021 at 1:15 am #78429
@ poet: are you responding to @TAE Summary with your “misquoted me” comment? I don’t think TAE Summary directly quotes anyone. It’s merely a clever encapsulation of what’s been posted here over a period of time. At least that’s my take on it.June 28, 2021 at 1:38 am #78430
@Kimo: Your earlier comment was thought provoking, and I appreciated that, but I think trump was simply an interesting blow back to the obama presidency, which failed spectacularly on nearly every level. I do think trump’s presidency was a catalyst that, like covid, pushed energy out of its inertia. Do I think he is the future? No.
Coincidentally, this morning I reread Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s 1978 Harvard University commencement address. Well worth a read and contemplation, which is why I reread it this morning.
PS … this is Raul’s house and out of respect to him, I’m not going to discuss political figures from this point forward. 🙂June 28, 2021 at 2:13 am #78431Doc RobinsonParticipant
Some late editing to my Contra Costa County Comment:
I wrote that the Absolute Risk Reduction is “is very low (about 1% on average, and much less for younger people)” but I was jumbling several concepts I wanted to include in that paragraph.
I should have written that the ARR “is very low (about 1% on average), and the ostensible benefits of the vaccines are much less for younger people.”
I forgot to include this link which is a reference for one of the quotes I used.
https://evolvetreatment.com/blog/suicide-attempts-contra-costa/June 28, 2021 at 2:26 am #78432my parents said knowParticipant
A late last comment that I’ll probably add again tomorrow:
My esteemed governor is up for reelection (2022) and has sent a blurb with a boxed comment that says:
[Jensen] Backs Move to Block COVID Shots for Kids
All I could think was I was tickled that Scott Jensen is running for governor. I was going to email Walz, but why give him a heads up?
I voted for him. I won’t be doing it again.June 28, 2021 at 4:58 am #78433Mister RobotoParticipantJune 28, 2021 at 12:24 pm #78446Dr. DParticipant
Yes but this is an anti-Marek vaccine. The unvaxxed are no worse off while the vaxxed get the higher risk. …Exactly as 10 years of mRNA research showed. Thank God. So all you need to do to not take on higher risk is to do nothing. …However, that’s the single thing they are not capable of. Can’t stop meddling, can’t stop helping. I’ll MAKE you take my help, if I have to tie you up and throw you in a well to do it! Mommy knows best. She loves you and will never-ever-ever leave you alone.
Food banks are getting common. I can’t calculate how much food is wasted. All of it? Food banks here have someone pick up – mostly Church people since they think “charity” and do actual work – and they can never give away the amount of food received. People complain about food instead, because we like complaining far, far better than acting, far more than eating. It’s a bit discouraging. Also they’re like “I’ll DIE rather than talk to a church person! ” (who won’t say anything, has a car, and will feed your kids.) Yeah, that’ll show them. Can anyone figure? A tiny approbation on ego, which you could laugh in their face for is more a primary goal than digging yourself out? Or your kids? Yes, actually. This is totally true. So piles, school-size carloads of food are wasted. High-quality gourmet stuff.
Expiration dates mean nothing. Products used to have them, but thanks to “Helping”, the government required all companies to put dates on. Being a science-free society, obviously nobody paid half-a-mil for 20 years of research of how long canned beans last. What would “expire” mean anyway? It’s not peak? It will kill you? So companies said, “What’s the shortest date I can get away with while hoping all my customers throw away their dry pasta like scared ninny-pants and buy my product AGAIN? 12 months for a 30-year item? Done.” Yogurt and such obviously expire, but is no better. One batch might be fading on the date while the next it still fine 3 months post-date. But we gotta have those people starve! It’s for their own good. Do NOT let them decide, as self-actualizing human beings with free agency what they want to do. “DO AS YOU’RE TOLD! Now I told you to starve and I expect you do it with feeling! It’s funnier to me that way.” Do NOT use cream 1 day past date although you do that all the time without noticing in your fridge. And that tag on your mattress? Boy-howdy if we catch you… Your kids can go somewhere safe like the foster system kids vanish into regularly.
Please make use of food banks. There’s so much food you could be a millionaire and no one would ask or care. And make use of your common sense as well. You’ll be the only one in town.
Maybe TDS and CDS have the same root: fear. Irrational, animal fear, easily leveraged according to Bernays by AVOIDING logic and argument. This is why religious people are more immune: if you go through it, you’re more inured to your ultimate death, more focused on rules of morality and what life is for. So mental children are susceptible to it, which is not meant to be a slight. Many people have to mature in ages of single digits, while many very old have never had to face the Meaning of Life, which is not small. We come in our own time, but you do have this weakness until you go through it, harden up, deepen. Obviously easy living keeps men in puppyhood, wearing tattoos and clown-pants far longer, thus the cities, Blue areas have the great luxury of fearing trifles like “microagressions”, not working 18 hours and getting wrapped around the shaft of large machinery 2 hours from a hospital. The fears are real to THEM. It’s the same psychological reality, and your fears of death or dislike, or whatever are just as small and silly from an even higher view. But it’s FEAR that does it. People who fear, are encouraged and rewarded for fear, and fear everything, and those who don’t. One victimizes themselves, even to refusing gourmet food, and the other usually takes responsibility and action as the usual response to fear.
Saying that: imagine a war in these conditions. Everybody afraid of everything and begging to surrender every minute of every hour of every day. …As if surrendering doesn’t mean you’ll be trampled and wiped out far worse than fighting.
That’s why it’s scattered all over. You’d think tough living in Code Blue lie South Philly would protect you from fear, but not until YOU overcome it, which means taking action. There’s no choice BUT to take action in Team Red since you’ll die as no one will help you unless you ask and act. So no perfect template, but looking layers in, it’s there.
“Fear is the mind-killer”, the discussion-killer. The evidence and the friend-killer.
Tactically we can’t abandon Code Blue, as the strategy is to cut off the coasts, the ports, and have Red surrounded to kill them off. You can’t allow China a foothold in PNW, California, to block the whole West but the desert. Sorry, there can’t be a divorce. Red wouldn’t die: Blue would, colonized and treated as an African colony as planned. Red would be laid low though, and pressed to penury from all sides. …I mean more than now, if that’s possible. For both our sakes, please come back to a standard of logic and human rights.
I guess cutting off the bloodsucking cities from their state hosts would be an important first step in bringing them to heel. What was that about “representation”?June 28, 2021 at 10:52 pm #78504ezlxa1949Participant
Brief Australia Report
The attitude here overwhelmingly is pro-vaccine. Endless propaganda. Doubters are ignored. The precautionary principle is ignored. Politicians, much of the medical community, academics, left- and right-wing media, and so on all suport jabbing. (Hmmm: new Star Wars character: Jabba the Nut ?)
Sydney and now Canberra are resuming mandatory mask-wearing, for 2 weeks initially while the NSW government attempts to trace a small number of people. Is the Delta variant really so incredibly infectious? I have no way of telling.
We’ve had the beta and delta variants, and maybe an epsilon is around the corner. Don’t know if a gamma was identified. At this rate we can make our way through the Greek alphabet and when we get to the omega variant we all drop dead. I’m getting to the stage where I would welcome that…
Then we get stories such as the one in the ABC yesterday about a super-spreader party somewhere in Sydney where 40-odd people got infected and 6 didn’t. The 6 were all vaccinated.True? Why not? This vaccine must be good to some extent for something, otherwise the public would notice (if the media let them) and turn against it.
There is serious talk among TPTB in at least NSW to introduce vaccine passports, based of course on apps on the almost ubiquitous
mobilecell phone. Ownership and carriage of a cell phone isn’t mandatory yet, but I suspect it will become so.
I’m fed up with The Conversation website, a site written by academics only aimed at spreading accurate information and dispelling myths. Much of it is good, but at the same time there are far too many academics who seem to see only one side of an issue. Impossible to argue with them. They’re only human after all.
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