Debt Rattle March 18 2021

 

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  • #71406
    Doc Robinson
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    The chart which wouldn’t post in my above comment…

    COVID Infection Fatality Rates by Age Group
    (Numbers are shown as percentages)

    e.g., 0.003 = 0.003% = 3 per 100,000

    …can be found at this page:
    https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/11/18/covid-infection-fatality-rates-sex-and-age-15163

    #71407
    madamski
    Participant

    Not that I give a shit for Rand or this kind of political theater. The fact that Rand uses the word vaccine when he is (I presume) talking about this mRNA nonsense, makes him a clod at best and a sellout at worst.

    Rand’s a senator. His Dad was a Congressman. Senators are hopeless but some House Representatives are ok.

    #71408
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    Clarification to my earlier comment:

    The vaccine benefit/risk judgement call for oldsters is much different that for youngsters, since the Covid risk for oldsters and the corresponding benefit of the vaccine is thousands of times higher for the oldsters, while the long-term risks of the experimental vaccine are much higher for the youngsters (who have their whole lives ahead of them).

    #71409
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    A handy graphic from the CDC showing how the risk of Covid death for oldsters, and thus the potential benefits of an effective vaccine, are thousands of times greater than for youngsters.

    #71410
    madamski
    Participant

    HoReally Stupid Things Said About Russiaw can one not love this writer?

    #71403
    Doc Robinson
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    How can the Covid vaccine trials on infants and children be considered ethical? Setting aside the informed consent issue, the benefits to children are minimal, while the potential risks to these children are substantial.

    The above chart (if it posted) shows that the Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) for those under age 20 is only 3 (or less) deaths per 100,000 infections. The IFR doesn’t reach 100 per 100,000 (or 1 death per 1,000 infections) until age 45-49. It jumps up to 1,000 deaths per 100,000 infections (1%) in ages 65-69, increasing to 3,000 per 100,000 (3%) for ages 75-79.

    The vaccine might make sense for someone in the 75-79 age group who is scared of a 3% fatality rate, but people of that age are literally 1000 times more likely to die from Covid than somebody under age 20 (according to that chart).

    The CDC has published similar data.
    Risk for COVID-19 Infection, Hospitalization, and Death By Age Group
    Compared with 5—17-year-olds, the rate of death is 45 times higher in 30—39-year-olds, [2,800 times higher in 75—84-year-olds,] and 7,900 times higher in 85+-year-olds.
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-age.html

    The vaccine benefit/risk judgement call for oldsters is much different that for youngsters, since the risk to oldsters is thousands of times higher, while the long-term risks of the experimental vaccine are much higher for the youngsters (who have their whole lives ahead of them).

    #71411
    WES
    Participant

    Noirette:

    What you are pointing out about life insurance being cancelled by taking the vaccine is very interesting!

    Surely, if anyone, life insurance companies would know better than most what the drug/vaccine companies are really up to. They are both companies. The life insurance companies don’t want to get stuck paying for the drug/vaccine companies mistakes!

    It is interesting to note that neither Pfizer nor Moderna are doing any further followup studies on their vaccines safety after securing legal indemnity from governments. To do these expensive studies would detract from their profits. Instead they are letting governments run the safety studies for them!

    Then Pfizer and Moderna corrupting the emergency use process to rush approvals of their vaccines, no doubt alarmed insurance company lawyers.

    So taking part in a potentially dangerous experiment voids your life insurance policy!

    #71412
    WES
    Participant

    Doc Robinson:

    I agree the risks for children taking the vaccine is likely higher than getting the virus!

    #71414
    madamski
    Participant

    testing

    Ridiculing Fauci

    There’s so much of this stuff making the mainstream rounds. They’ll get some more vaccinations done, call it good, claim victory, and increasingly lose control of the people through a media even they can see is beyond hope.

    #71415
    madamski
    Participant

    fauci

    #71416
    madamski
    Participant

    more fauci

    #71417
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    This sounds ominous.


    Global Ethical Considerations Regarding Mandatory Vaccination in Children
    JulianSavulescu PhD, AlbertoGiubilini PhD, MargieDanchinPhD
    The Journal of Pediatrics
    20 January 2021

    Whether children should be vaccinated against coronavirus disease-2019 (COVID-19) (or other infectious diseases such as influenza) and whether some degree of coercion should be exercised by the state to ensure high uptake depends, among other things, on the safety and efficacy of the vaccine. For COVID-19, these factors are currently unknown for children, with unanswered questions also on children’s role in the transmission of the virus, the extent to which the vaccine will decrease transmission, and the expected benefit (if any) to the child.

    Ultimately, deciding whether to recommend that children receive a novel vaccine for a disease that is not a major threat to them, or to mandate the vaccine, requires precise information on the risks, including disease severity and vaccine safety and effectiveness, a comparative evaluation of the alternatives, and the levels of coercion associated with each. However, the decision also requires balancing self-interest with duty to others, and liberty with usefulness

    Mandatory vaccination for children might be required if vaccine uptake will not be high enough or if governments have reasonable grounds to believe so…

    Mandatory vaccination means that some form of coercion is used to get people to vaccinate themselves and/or their children. Vaccine mandates are fundamentally about restricting individual or parental liberty for the public good or for a child’s own good. Coercion means that threats of penalties are used to restrict a person’s options, by making certain options (eg, vaccine refusal for oneself or for one’s child) significantly more costly….

    Coercion restricts liberty by narrowing the range of options reasonably available to people…

    The restriction of liberty should only be considered when the problem is significant and there is a large expected harm of not intervening. This happens, for instance, when a life-threatening virus like COVID-19 is circulating at high levels in the community…

    The relevant question is whether the expected public health benefit of vaccinating children is large enough to justify an intervention on children that might not be overall beneficial for them

    Given the relative uncertainties around the COVID-19 vaccine, it will be difficult to justify mandatory vaccination in children, at least initially.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022347621000287

    #71418
    WES
    Participant

    Americans are getting back the fully corrupt congress of old, now that joe is the new sheriff in town.

    The House just voted to restore the Earmark Voting (Purchasing and Bribery) Program. This allows the rich to again buy the congress votes they need to pass crap legislation to enrich themselves. The good old happy days are now back again for congress members! The value of a House or Senate seat just went up greatly!

    The United Auto Worker’s union brass supported joe using member’s dues. Today Ford announced that their new $1 billion EV car program will be switched from Ohio to Mexico since they know joe won’t enforce the new auto trade signed by Trump. Just joe paying back the UAW union members for supporting him by shipping their previously promised middle class jobs out of the US!

    Yeah, it is happy days again for screwing average Americans!

    #71420
    John Day
    Participant

    Link No Post.
    Try No Double Post.
    Lookee What Germ Post!
    ‘Specially first one.
    Good, good.

    #71386
    John Day
    Participant

    Rumored “Russian asset”, Paul Craig Roberts. Thanks Wiggs (Where are you from?)​
    ​ ​Putin came to power as the American neoconservatives were girding up to establish US and Israeli hegemony in the Middle East. As General Wesley Clark told us, seven countries were to be overthrown in 5 years. The American preoccupation with the Middle East permitted Putin to throw off American overlordship and reestablish Russian sovereignty. Once Washington realized this, the American establishment turned on Putin with a veng​a​nce.
    ​ ​Stephen Cohen, Jack Matlock (Reagan’s ambassador to the Soviet Union), myself and a few others warned that Washington’s refusal to accept Russian independence would reignite the Cold War, thus erasing the accomplishment of ending it and resurrecting the specter of nuclear war. But Washington didn’t listen. Instead, Cohen and I were put on a list of “Russian agents/dupes,” and the process of trying to destabalize Putin began. In other words, once an American colony always an American colony, and Putin became the most demonized person on earth.
    ​ ​Today (March 17) we had the extraordinary spectacle of President Biden saying on ABC News that President Putin is a killer, and “he will pay a price.” This is a new low point in diplomacy. It does not serve American interests or peace…
    ​ ​In the United States Russian Studies has degenerated into propaganda. Recently, two members of the Atlantic Council think tank, Emma Ashford and Matthew Burrows, suggested that American foreign policy could benefit from a less hostile approach to Russia. Instantly, 22 members of the think tank denounced the article by Ashford and Burrows.
    ​ ​This response is far outside the boundaries of the 20th century Cold War. It precludes any rational or intelligent approach to American foreign policy. Sooner or later the Kremlin will comprehend that it is confronted by a gangster outfit of the criminally insane. Then what happens?

    Washington Has Resurrected the Specter of Nuclear Armageddon

    ​Are the Russians getting suspicious of America?​
    Russian ambassador to US summoned back to Moscow for consultations on future relations with Washington
    https://www.rt.com/russia/518406-ambassador-antonov-us-biden/

    ​Them’s Fightin’ Words!
    Putin Responds To Biden’s “Killer” Slur: “It Takes One To Know One”
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-responds-biden-killer-slur-it-takes-one-know-one

    ​(Irish-Russian?) ​RFK, Jr. to President Biden: No. 1 Driver of Vaccine Hesitancy Is Mistrust of Regulators
    Children’s Health Defense Chairman RFK, Jr. says transparency, robust science and a functional surveillance system are the only ways to build public trust for the COVID vaccine.

    RFK, Jr. to President Biden: No. 1 Driver of Vaccine Hesitancy Is Mistrust of Regulators

    #71413
    madamski
    Participant

    Ridiculing Fauci

    There’s so much of this stuff making the mainstream rounds. They’ll get some more vaccinations done, call it good, claim victory, and increasingly lose control of the people through a media even they can see is beyond hope.

    My fave:

    fauci

    #71419
    John Day
    Participant

    @Madamski:
    Sorry, my bad; didn’t mean to make you feel like THAT, like disgraced Prince Andrew.
    Perish the thought!

    @All-Y’all: Look at what Germ posted by John Ward, The Slog, which is excellent analysis and equally excellent use of the English language, of which I am fond.
    Liars AND Fools, but not haters. I’m a hater for saying that. Hate speech is intolerable.
    The other 2 links make your eyes glaze over like a glass of Scotch lased with Rohypnol, are the extensive phase 3 clinical trials of the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines, really extensive, looking at all kinds of potential complications, and still recruiting subjects, to be completed some time in 2022. Don’t wait. Get a vaccine yesterday, please, while you still could.
    Oh, that’s the Astra-Zeneca vaccine that you needed to get yesterday in 20 countries. Funny thing with young, healthy people dying of blood clots. Prob’ly unrelated, abundance of caution, and so forth.

    20+ Countries Suspend Use of AstraZeneca Vaccine, But Regulators Insist ‘Benefits Outweigh Risks’

    Uh, whaddaya mean the production vaccines are not like the clinical trial vaccines? Why won’t anybody answer? How can this be a secret? Just address the content of the leaked emails, guys and gals!

    Data Leak Shows Regulators Had Major Concerns About Pfizer’s mRNA Vaccine

    #71431
    madamski
    Participant

    @ John Day

    Oh, I adore young nymphs but my place is with the ageing swans they turn into over time.

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