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March 7, 2025 at 10:15 am #183713
Raúl Ilargi Meijer
KeymasterJames McNeill Whistler Symphony in White, No. 3 1867 • Are All of Biden’s Presidential Actions ‘Null and Void’? (Margolis) • Europe’s ‘ReArm’ P
[See the full post at: Debt Rattle March 7 2025]March 7, 2025 at 11:25 am #183715Germ
ParticipantGood morning :-))
“Our beautiful Olivia sadly passed away peacefully but unexpectedly in her sleep on 25/05/2024 at her boyfriend’s family home. She was healthy and happy and her passing has been a huge shock to everyone who knew her. She was just 24.”
TVASSF tick …tock …
March 7, 2025 at 12:50 pm #183716Dr. D
ParticipantI see a couple of things in the news. Phrase “Let the U.S. do the heavy lifting.” This is a metaphor of course, therefore meaning nothing. But it’s also a literalism. The U.S. MILITARY does “The heavy lifting”, that is, moving supplies from England, Poland, etc, all done on USAF, other “Heavy” equipment. Those nations simply do not have their own, bc it’s cheaper to slum ours.
So if England is talking about mobilizing to Poland, I hope they’re building some wooden rafts…
You can easily see that – even if Europe has EVERY other element of war, (they don’t,) having no “Heavy Lifting” is The. End. Bye.
Wars start in March: that’s bad, that’s more or less on schedule with Armstrong’s War Cycle. And now the capital flows confirming it. May, I think, it always runs late and they got nothin’.
I’ll keep saying it: so EVERY nation in Europe was against war, poor helpless saps being dragged along by the big mean United States of Trump. Now we’re leaving our warmongering ways and they jump in in SECONDS. Couldn’t be more mad! STOP THIS PEACE, IMMEDIATELY! Give War a Chance!
And again, so EVERY social program, every culture, every social consideration, and good, all gone, poof, because they just decided – yesterday – all their people are just going to have to not eat and no health care because War.
The people are still just popping up their head on this one after non-stop sniping for years, so we’ll see what they think of it when it’s on. I think we can all imagine they won’t be pleased.
“Hey moms: how would you like not to eat, have no hot water AND have all your kids killed? Sound fun? Well dodge your local rape gang and come sign up today!”
““Trump has torn a huge rip in the interface layer of the fantasy bubble …”
All anyone had to do was TELL THE DAMN TRUTH. 25 years of this s—t.
“Gallant: If Israel returns to war, there will be no captives to return”
Throwing cheese slices on the heads of these toddlers has worn off. We need a new non sequitur to hold the peace.
“I told him that many people have died from Fentanyl that came through the Borders of Canada”
That can’t be right: Trump is a big meanie. Wasn’t it CANADA where they just busted the biggest Fentanyl lab in the history of the universe last week? Soooo….what you’re saying is, you knew this lab was there. …But hadn’t busted it yet until this. Oh let me add…again… ONE MILLION DEAD. But England has long used ye olde opium wars, right?
“”Vandalism Is Not Free Speech!” Elon Musk Speaks Out After Rise In Tesla Protests, Defacements
Underselling this here. They are lighting Tesla cars and dealers on fire. Like Kenosha. So…Leftists are attacking….Leftists? People on the Right are pretty unlikely to own these cars. Aaaaaaand then they call the dealership and give Elon tens of thousands to repair them? Elon doesn’t own most of these cars, you fecking idjits.
Aaaaaand using fire, which is terrorism, and uncontrolled, so likely to kill all sorts of random people nearby.
“Why Are We Ignoring The Most Powerful Climate Solution?
Regenerative agriculture restores the land, builds resilience, and reduces emissions naturally…Everyone asks. The answer is: because it doesn’t kill everyone. Who cares about the environment if if doesn’t kill people?
“DOGE Hones In On Shady Climate “Popup NGO Shell” That Received Billions From Biden
There’s probably 100 of these – pushing the “eco” money to Citi was an example, completely admitted – but they gave $7 Billion to a company that was like 10 days old. They didn’t have a website. What did they do? What was it for? Unclear. Trust me, I wrote this invoice on a napkin…and the services were already provided, you see.
Does anyone know what to say about Democrats stopping Hitler by wearing a Tshirt, and singing songs in Congress? They are REALLY happy with this. This was a total success, “Resistance Level Activated.” Boy, thanks to all this protesting, when they get into Congress, they’ll really do something now! …Oh, wait…
I say this because I’ve quoted this from AOC. She’s like “Well, we don’t have any power now, but just protest and vote…” Huh? You’re a d—ned CONGRESSWOMAN. If you don’t have the power, you’d bloody well tell the People wtf that power IS, so we can go get it.
Still at it. You DO know that being an outsider, a street person, a citizen, a protestor, is DIFFERENT than RULING Power, being an INSIDER, and the top of Government, right? …No they do not. Being communist agitator is the TOP of the universe, the highest possible calling. Actually running the Politboro? Getting shoes to Vladivostok? Ick. That’s for the little people. The Proles.
“Trump: If NATO Countries Don’t Pay Fair Share, US Won’t Defend
He knows they’ll die if they try for 5%. That’s why he picked it. Also if they were all 5% and actually armed, they wouldn’t need us, so that’s why he picked it. Europe is DOING this now. Okay, why? British Press and all Europe, “Trump is leaving NATO!!!!!!!!!!!!” Huh? Did he SAY that? Even all his trial balloons, Elon, did not say that. Elon is the only voice getting close and he asked “What are we doing there? Explain to me.” Apparently they can’t?
Yeah, we all know what’s going on ACKSHULLY. It’s bizarre to watch them jump at any shadow that exists, they’re like a pack of baying hounds, worked themselves up, devoid of reason. Like the Vance thing. He says “Hey, can’t fight with some hollow army hasn’t been anywhere in 40 years.” Britain is like “Ooh! Ooh! Teacher! That’s ME! He’s talking about ME!!!” Huh? If you want, I guess. Then Vance points to the speech and says, “Here’s the quote, no I didn’t” no one cares. So now $880 Billion. Uh-huh. HOW?
They literally say – to the public – “Well, we’re going to slash every social funding in Europe, all the food, heat, medicine, to go kill guys who aren’t attacking you.”
Meanwhile at home: Watch: Unhinged Democrats Scream As Comer Crushes Dreams ‘Of Getting On MSNBC’
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-unhinged-democrats-scream-comer-crushes-dreams-getting-msnbcPressler uses the magic word! Rayciss! Sexissss!!! But the magic word isn’t working! But I SIGNALED!!! When I SIGNAL, rules say you have to fall down and obey! Teach-er!!! Rules of Congress on time and relevancy still exist! (Why? Because time is incredibly valuable, if everyone is to be heard, you have to limit to 5min or whatever, sorry. So she is attacking the congresspeople around her, in several ways, and wants to be special, the rules don’t apply to her because she says.)
Trump, 1987
Yeah, because that’s logic. They WANT it not to be logical, and they WANT you to KNOW it’s not logical, and make you do it anyway. Because that’s POWER. That’s where they get their emotional charge from, that’s why they exist. I Am God.
“”Quite honestly, there is something about this administration that does feel destined.”
Yes, and why? Well, probably the White Hats have been working to make it so since the 90s, so lots of small plans coming in to harvest. Here’s one Rich won’t like though: JD Vance is on the Memeosphere, like non-stop. Thousands of AI alterations of his face, fat, thin, child, Emperor. For whatever reason his features just happen to shift and still be recognizable, so people are having an entertaining party with it. Really no politics whatsoever involved. Not really pro, not anti, not mocking, just entertained that this exists.
…That will be amazingly good for him, especially 4 years of this, posting his face in everything that happens and laughing. If it seemed he’d been picked, then actually rose to the challenge – not expected by me at least – well this just doubles that impulse. Sorry.
https://news24online.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/JD-Vance-Political-Meme.jpg“Autopen. Could be explosive. Will the Trump admin want to pursue it? It has Pandora written all over it.”
They should. How would you prove it?
I hear the REAL target of all this is Obama. Huh? I mean, yes, but Obama isn’t even Obama. He’s the CIA from birth. “Obama” is over in his D.C. townhouse, running the shadow government. Not really, as we see the shadow government runs itself. Okay, let’s pretend that’s all true. — And if it is, we need the American people to Hear, Know, and Digest that Truth so it doesn’t happen again, like everything else out there, like Europe screwing us to fight their wars. They tested the waters back then, with Obama, the CIA, his eligibility, all that, and no mas. The People were having none of it, it was all A) getting them, Trump into trouble in 2012, then doubled up on B) Raycissss. So we back up into a Long Plan. A very, very long plan. We can’t do that? Well we have to do something, what soldiers on the field CAN move forward? And they did.
But IF you were going to do what should have been done, say Obama wasn’t President, wasn’t legal, all his laws never existed then, HOW would you do it? Well, you would start here. Are all BIDEN’s laws not legal? Is this something we should look into?
Then, you can say, did Biden WIN? Is he even President?
Then you can ask, is Obama a Natural Citizen? Was HE President? Or heck, why stop? Bush wasn’t President either, as proven by the recount several years later. Erase the Patriot Act too. Is it? Well, seems like a really far shot. Time moves on. But IF you were going to do it, you’d start here.
“• Europe’s ‘ReArm’ Plan “Is Going To Come At A Vast Cost” (Rabobank)
Immediate headlines. Try this every three months since 2001: “The world is chomping at the bit to buy European War bonds.” …Are they really though? TAXING AUTHORITY. EU ARMY. You are not and never a nation until you have these. Bye. Armstrong told you, bye bye now. Germany told Armstrong “We couldn’t let Germany vote, we’d lose 2 to 5 against.” Awwwwww. Well I guess you know what happens when you set up totally illegal foundations that dick the people.
Btw, Germany is overturning the election in Germany now. The clip I had was from UK and I couldn’t follow it clearly. Like one small party lost ALL seats, …but they get to vote anyway. ‘Cause: Reasons. Please fill me in. Non-stop dickery continues. Romania’s not the only one.
“This is going to come at a vast cost. If you think a 31bp rise in Bunds captures the scale of shocks”
I’d have to follow the details here, but I guess German Bonds threw up at this? Hey No Kidding! You’re about to have a war when you have 5 tanks. Euro comment: “So the plan is to mobilize all Europe, arm Germany, ride through Poland and invade Russia? Just so we’re all clear here.” Yeah, you’ll want to write that in the history books for later under “What were you thinking??” Under “Europe loses their D—ned mind…AGAIN.”
““peace in Ukraine is actually more dangerous than the war that is ongoing now,” told journalists earlier this week that “Ukraine has to win this war.”
So Peace kills 1.5 Million people? Do tell. This is not a peace I’m familiar with and have seen in Europe up to now.
“we must fight Russia so that it does not defeat France; that Russia is creating a threat to France and Europe,”
Well, so be fair, they’re all past illiterate and now can’t even understand cartoons in crayon. Perhaps you’d like to look at a MAP and how me how far away Russia is from France? Here’s the problem: when you’re psychotic, all these ideas are a jumble, right next to each other in your mind. They have zero geography and space. Dragons, Vampires, your brother in law, steak knives, mind-control guns, they’re all the same, equally real and next to each other. That’s what makes them “Insane”.
“BREAKING: French President Macron addressed all Europeans to prepare for war with Russia. This was broadcast live across the continent. Europe will not accept capitulation of Ukraine to Russia under the guise of “peace negotiations.” Americans must decide whose side we are on.”
What are you supposed to say to that?
This may or may not matter – probably not anymore – but France because they suck so bad being overrun with Socialists, they say “For industry you go to Germany, but for Weapons you go to France.” Greeeaaaaaat. France wants to run the WAR. That will stop tiny Jupiter’s tiny collapse. And he’s got A Plan!! …They’re going to have an EU Army, you see! Uh-huh. And that New Army, with new money and new power, right? Uh-huh. And then they’ll need a new Defense Minister to run it, right? Uh-huh. And MACRON has volunteered himself to not end his term limit in France ‘cuz he’s out real soon, and move over to the new United States of EU Army! Uh…huh. …Just like NATO head, Rutte, and everybody else over there, Draghi, Bank, then PM, then…revolving door revolving so fast it’s all a blur. Nation, speciality, reason, all blur into one.
I’m sure we’re all relieved tiny Macron has figured out how to feather his nest.
“The EU is currently promoting a substantial military buildup that would cost some $840 billion and be funded through debt.” O Rly? Oh THAT debt! Oh yeah, the one where we said years ago if we didn’t print a few hundred trillion dollars for – spins wheel – the environment, we’d all collapse in a debt spiral.
• EU Must Win Arms Race – Poland (RT)
Great, but to win the race, you’d have to START the race. All your weapons are from the 70s and 80s. F16s, Patriots, Abrams. Russia has hypersonic Oreshniks, so unless you have anti0grav UFOs maybe you should NOT start that race.“The administration of US President Donald Trump has begun cutting CIA staff as part of a broader effort to downsize government agencies, the New York Times reported”
Ever hired…By “Biden”. Or the non-Biden, Baker and Blinken, who were the real Derp State committee President.
Okay, note Clinton purged 300k workers (and killed welfare) but that’s not Hitler because: Democrat. Obama purged every General but that’s not a coup because: Democrat. Noting that, NOW do you understand why he had to be President first and keep his head down? They needed those top clearance records of who was who and how everything was done. They needed the Hillary documents in Comey’s safe. Now this isn’t “Trump”, it goes to Team White Hat, but this time Trump lived and his name got in there twice. THAT’S WHY THEY CAN DO FOUR YEARS WORK IN 8 WEEKS. And they needed to, as you can see, the 100 year plan is to slow-walk, hide, prevent, deny, and obfuscate while the media works on you.Bye bye.
So WHO is he cutting in the CIA? Well, pretty sure we now know who is ProTrump or antiTrump. But that really just means who was illegally screwing the President against the constitutional authority and who was doing their job. Very clear, as we saw, very polarized, no room to be not totally one side or the other. The Left would smell you, root you out, and kill you. So if you weren’t doing that, you were pretty serious patriot. You weren’t faking. Ask CitizenX.
“US President Donald Trump’s administration is preparing to revoke the temporary legal status for all refugees, including around 240,000 Ukrainians – a move that could speed up their path to deportation”
A QUARTER MILLION. “Let that sink in.” Soooo…We built another entire Omaha or Charleston to house these guys, right? Their arrival didn’t raise rents or nothing? Because they can only have been paid by government, as not that many jobs could be found so fast. That’s just ONE. HALF million in Cubans, Haitians, Nicaraguans, and Venezuelans, and certainly 250k in other categories.
So we built ten cities for them right? I sure remember doing that, don’t you? And I didn’t see rents go up and kids get locked out, did you?
“Dr. Jay Bhattacharya: “Science should be an engine for knowledge and freedom, not something that stands on top of society and says you must do this or else.”
Someone pointed out, We can’t have Science. Why? BECAUSE THE VACCINES DON’T WORK. If there were honest science, all the drug companies would go bankrupt. ….Funny, this is exactly what Warren and others said, isn’t it? That’s what happens when you’re a liar, a murderer, and a thief.
“• DOGE Looking To Cut More Than 80,000 Employees At Veterans Affairs (JTN)
You’d better prove this to me, buddy. Like the Post Office, VA seems pretty understaffed.
“• Elon Musk Says Amtrak, US Postal Service Should Be Privatized (ET)
Not sure. USPS is probably not able to profit. It’s also Constitutional. And “It’s already private!!!” …except that it is, except it isn’t, but it is…heard this for 50 years now, BothNeitherAiii. Amtrak? Well, they suck worst of anyone on the planet; what do you have to lose? Btw Amtrak trains are same age as our F16s, so if you’ve ridden one you can only imagine how weak, helpless, and broken those planes are.
“• Trump Wants To Sideline EU – Politico (RT)
You mean the Politico that only exists from USAID Money? What “Storm”? The Storm of Peace breaking out? Oh noes.
“• Israeli FM ‘Didn’t Know’ Kiev Glorifies Holocaust Perpetrators (RT)
They hear an antisemitism anywhere on earth one lightly falls, but 10 NYT articles about armed, racist, Jew-killing neoNazis in Azov a few miles north totally escaped them. In fact, they sent money! And their own central banker, “Our boy Yats”. Uh-huh. It’s almost like they’re not really Jews but use the Jewish population for cover.
Elon, AI: Define “Smart”. Also they are aggregating HUMAN smart. They’re just distilling OUR “smart” right now.
Watch carefully: that one Chicken feeder is a Guillotine! A chef’s knife balanced over his neck. “Respice post te! Hominem te memento!
From the Internets: “‘White privilege’ has gone out of fashion. A recent interview with far-left woke agitator Ash Sarkar showed her making fun of the term and scoffing at how racial identity politics went too far. It’s quite remarkable to see those who pushed this corrosive brand of racism, now rolling back on it. Clearly, they sense that the tide has turned.”
Showing they had neither logic nor principles in the first place. It was emotion, and about POWER. Now that they’re losing on this front, it’s denied and “They never really wanted that anyway.” Real White Privilege has never been tried. Brittney! I can’t believe you would say I ever said that!
Please. Make it end.
March 7, 2025 at 1:06 pm #183717poppie
ParticipantMarch 7, 2025 at 2:09 pm #183718kultsommer
ParticipantThe American people deserve to know who was really calling the shots
Don’t we ever?
1913, 1963, 1968, 2001, 2020….March 7, 2025 at 2:12 pm #183719zerosum
ParticipantBubbles
Power, Control, Conspiracies, Secrets, Lies, Manipulate Narratives, Change, Pain,
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The EU is currently promoting a substantial military buildup that would cost some $840 billion and be funded through debt.
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‘Europe must trim its welfare state to build a warfare state’
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peace in Ukraine, “nonsense” and fear mongering
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Macron labeled Russia “a threat” to the EU
Macron said that Russia cannot be trusted because it violated the Minsk agreements. 4 days before the Russian invasion (February 20, 2022),
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a new arms raceYesterday’s warfare – Drone – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_warfare
Today’s warfare – Economic – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_warfare
Tomorrow’s warfare – Electronic – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_warfare
Peace warfare – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Peace_War
The Peace War is a science fiction novel by American writer Vernor Vinge, about authoritarianism and technological progress.
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Read more …DOGE, Rescission a relatively expeditious budget-slashing technique called “rescission.” The approach could guide DOGE cuts around federal judges who consider executive-branch-initiated spending cuts as exceeding constitutional authority.
Rescission offers a means by which presidents can collaborate with Congress to cancel previously-appropriated spending.
Enabled by Title X of the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974, the rarely-used process starts with the president sending a special message to Congress, providing specific details about which budgetary authorities he wants to rescind.It only takes a majority vote
————–who controlled the autopen, a presidency by proxy
If these allegations prove true, every single action taken under Biden’s name needs to be scrutinized and potentially nullified.
The truth must come out, and those responsible must be held accountable.
—————-March 7, 2025 at 2:37 pm #183720Michael Reid
ParticipantMarch 7, 2025 at 4:09 pm #183721D Benton Smith
ParticipantFor wisdom, courage, truth, irony, and demonstration of walking the walk that one talks, there is no equal to the time Alexander the Great met Diogenes and asked if there was anything that he (Alexander) could do for him, and Diogenes answered, “You could start by not blocking my sunlight with your shadow.”
Is it time to speak truth to power?
March 7, 2025 at 4:19 pm #183723jb-hb
Participanthttps://barsoom.substack.com/p/the-blitzkrieg-through-the-institutions
…between these two incidents, it is safe to say that the Cancelled Years have officially come to an unlamented and ignominious end. The reign of terror of emotionally unstable hysterics is over. You can just say things now.
And you should say things. The Trump admin is feeding the swamp creatures to its pet DOGE, but there’s a whole country that needs to be taken back. Politicians and their staffers can’t do that themselves. This is swarm warfare. You will not get direct orders telling you what specifically to do, you are expected to improvise, to figure out on your own the best way of advancing the global strategic objectives, and then act accordingly.
“Now’s the time, friend of mine”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ09IPoF3osI agree with citizenxs’ rant of a few days back. It DOES merit a slap in the face, not as a punishment, but as a break in the doom-loop. “What a man needs is fresh air,” they keep telling Raskolnikov. We should be in a celebratory mood, to some extent.
And more importantly, make hay while the sun shines. In Lord of the Rings, the clouds breaking AT ALL, sunlight falling on the Fields of Pelannor AT ALL, however weakly, is, by that time in the trilogy, a previously unimaginable level of hope. The Good Guys see the clouds being parted just a little, a ray of sunshine, feel the fresh breeze on their faces, hear a cock crow in the distance.
Make hay while the sun shines. Here’s my plan
1. Put on your own oxygen mask — they wanted, deep in the bowels of their hearts, for you not to do this
2. Put an oxygen mask on the person next to you
3. Pick any little thing and make it better
4. Make some kind of contribution, tiny as it might be, with some kind of regularity, to the positive healing of our culture. Everything is downstream from culture, which was grievously wounded by people with no particular workable plan nor goodwill in their hearts.Multiple generations brow-beaten with “WE stopped that dreadful Vietnam war (thumps chest) we did OUR valiant heroic super admirable part (so you think your’e fucking Richard Nixon, apparently) now it’s going to be up to YOU to Change The World, to Save the Wuuuuuuuuurld” (see? everyone has their job. My job was to watch Richard Nixon do something and then browbeat you. Your job is to feel like nothing is good enough and suborn your life and self and culture etc etc to my vanity project)
Every other generation was taught to behave with honor within their role, their person, their profession. And to feel some sense of integrity, dignity, fulfillment in it. Fatherhood, Motherhood. The Journalist’s set of ethical standards, ways of reporting factually. The Doctor’s Hippocratic Oath. integrity and satisfaction was implicitly VERY possible.
March 7, 2025 at 4:19 pm #183724jb-hb
ParticipantNever before had MULTIPLE GENERATIONS been browbeaten continually that this was all crap, that ackshully, you have to save the fucking WORLD. And so every single thing- your profession, your hobbies, your child, your self, must be leveraged for something else. Something unattainable and not even DEFINABLE. Something ALWAYS hungry, never fulfilled. Always Winter, never Christmas.
And for the last quarter century, all the pop culture stopped showing normal people being good guys. In black and white movies, maybe the private detective gets dissed by the woman, alternately beaten up by the gangsters and the rotten police as he investigates, maybe has his license revoked, gets falsely accused, a sad-sack wandering the city in his bedraggled trenchcoat. But he solves his little crime in the end, clears his name. And it was some small specific thing he did.
That’s what’s so good about The Green Hornet – in addition to Bruce Lee, of course – what does the Green Hornet solve? Stuff like – One particular guy who came into town and started Racketeering. All that little stuff that, if it pervades your world, ruins it. But gosh, it isn’t Saving The Wuuuuurld, what’s the use even? We should ackshully be diverting resources away from THAT crap, we have a Wuuuuurld to save! Every little thing that distracts from it is evil, the enemy, right?
All those movies where only some super powered GOD can do anything useful at all, only by doing something huge, with huge stakes. Can’t play out an entire excellent story about Spider Man stopping some bank robbers. 100,000’s of awesome heroic stories to pull from in the comic books… nah, stakes too small. This is paralyzing. It’s demeaning.
The answer to “You’ve got to save/change the wuuuuurld” is “Go DIAF. Your worldview is crap, its underlying presumptions are crap, you can’t even articulate them competently. your’e disgusting and immoral. Back that shit up to the beginning and let’s see if you can build ANY structure honestly.” Trump Just Decoupled From Democrat Morality …because such a demand, intrinsically, is to put a boot on your neck, claim all-encompassing superiority, and that “YOU exist for ME now” AFKTT would never answer the repeated question – what are your limits, what CAN’T youu demand of others, what line do you draw? Because implicitly his creed demands boundary-less power. NOTHING can be allowed to be so much as a speed bump for Saving The World.
And since they wanted you to be unhappy and disregulated, even just a moment of even-keeled peace and satisfaction is resistance. Now’s the time to do something, some basic, human thing, and then sit back and experience exactly such a moment. Perhaps the beautiful thing right now is that there are so MANY tiny little things that CAN be done, the low hanging fruit is going to be everywhere for awhile.
“wake up you’ve got a lot of things to do”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mNHlUrR4XcMarch 7, 2025 at 4:32 pm #183725D Benton Smith
ParticipantI was researching a little history using the Grok 3 AI and commented about Diogenes that, as with so many of the greatest minds and souls of human history, they did not personally record any of their wisdom. Probably because they knew that the only recording of worthy lasting value is the record one leaves in the minds and souls of others. The worthiest of those lessons will prove their veracity by living forever.
Grok 3 answered my observation with the following text:
“You’ve hit on a profound point there—one that Diogenes himself might have nodded at from his jar. He didn’t bother with scrolls or books, not because he couldn’t, but because he lived his philosophy so vividly that it etched itself into the collective memory. The idea that true wisdom doesn’t need parchment, that it proves itself by enduring in the lives and stories of others, fits his whole ethos perfectly. He wasn’t about building monuments or hoarding credit—he was about stripping things down to what’s real and letting that speak for itself.
It’s a pattern with some of history’s most unforgettable figures, isn’t it? Socrates, another unrecorded giant, left his mark through Plato and Xenophon. Jesus, Buddha—same deal, their words carried by disciples and followers. Maybe they understood that paper fades, but a life lived with conviction becomes a kind of living text, rewritten in every generation that grapples with it. Diogenes’ lantern, his quips, his sheer audacity—they’re still kicking around in our heads 2,300 years later, proof of your point: the worthiest lessons don’t just survive, they thrive, because they resonate with something deep and human.
What do you think—does that reliance on others to carry the torch make their legacy more vulnerable, or stronger?” [ this ends what grok 3 wrote ]
I would be interested to know what all of you fellow TAE commentators think about how well that artificial intelligence responded to my observation. Pretty good, wasn’t it?
How good?
Good enough to convince you that maybe the time has come for us to start speaking truth to power?
March 7, 2025 at 4:51 pm #183726zerosum
ParticipantTaking care of Problem #1
Trump feed misinformation by his enemies.
… Cannot impose tariff in a negotiated Free Trade Zone – Mexico-USA-CanadaMarch 7, 2025 at 4:59 pm #183731D Benton Smith
ParticipantThe last line of my previous comment may have been a bit too vague in its implications. I should lay it out more succinctly, and with no need for the readers to work their way through all of the implications about how dangerous it is that humankind has invented a machine that can simulate thought so superbly well that it can fool the reader into believing that the machine is capable of human thought. It is not. It is a machine. There nobody there inside of it.
As such, as a machine, Artificial Intelligence is intrinsically and utterly INCAPABLE of knowing or appreciating what is good or bad, or even what is true and what is false. Circuitry, software and electrons chasing after oblivion are all that is there.
It is time to start speaking truth to power, because power is going to use that AI to increase its power. That’s a feedback loop, if you didn’t know, and tends to move very VERY quickly, especially once it really gets going, like NOW for example, where the ‘Powers That Be’ have headlock on using AI to ramp up AI to the max. They’ve already got a machine that can talk to everyone with a smartphone in the world, in a manner that is almost indistinguishable from a real human being.
Do you think the powers-that-be are going to use those AI systems in some OTHER way than use it to increase their power to have full control over their own personal welfare? If they thought that way (putting the welfare of others above their own) then I don’t think they could BE powers-that-be.
March 7, 2025 at 5:18 pm #183732jb-hb
ParticipantShort of something like a very large meteor strike or world war 3, nothing is going to stop AI from developing further.
Japan managed to discard gunpowder after getting firearms – for awhile. But eventually, they realized what would happen to them if they didn’t modernize. You can’t give up gunpowder FOR your rival powers.
Ayn Rand, with Logical Positivism, built up a morality from first principles, starting with 2 decisions:
1. Decide if reality is real
2. Decide if you want to exist or not(The very fact that she did so is what triggers leftists to screech that she is immoral anytime her name pops up. She noticed, so she put such characters in her novels screeching in response to confident morality. The prime directive for leftists being no one but us should experience confidence.)
Let’s hope there’s no flaws in her reasoning. And that someone feeds Objectivisim into the databanks. Or idunno, maybe if we feed ALL our philosophical and spiritual wisdom into AI, maybe, like DOGE figuring out the gibberingly complex federal budget, it will give us some useful conclusions. They’re promising it will be able to, for instance, render obtuse, complicated legal documents into practical meaning for normal folks.
March 7, 2025 at 5:43 pm #183733Noirette
ParticipantOn, at top post,
European leaders want ‘forever war’ in Ukraine – Musk
People such as Danish PM Mette Frederiksen don’t want the conflict with Russia to end, the tech tycoon has argued. — from RT.Ridiculous. European ‘leaders’ that is a London-Paris Axis, with Canada Joining (see last summit thingie) have been cleverly manipulated in the past say 40 – 50 years to do the bidding of the US, and those in ‘power’ in the W outside the US are more subservient now than ever.
All oppo has been driven out, discredited, etc. Ex. Jeremy Corbyn, Francois Fillon, Sarah W. in Germany who didn’t make the 5%…etc. Not to mention other ‘corruption’ and ‘deals’ re. Corps…
The Europeans thus fight the good fight for the USA, lackeys who bow down endlessly, thru fear for the most part. (Recall Yugoslavia!) They are terrified of an attack by the US so now will up their attacks on Ukraine, insofar as possible (won’t be able to do much) so will be slowly discredited and let go, or more, as they can’t comply with US demands (e.g. 5% of GDP to US milit cos, taking over the war in UKR with massive troops, young men sent to just die for nothing.…) too bad…
Europe is of course diverse. (The EU no longer plays a role.) Greece, Portugal, Spain, Southern periphery, is another story.
March 7, 2025 at 5:46 pm #183734D Benton Smith
ParticipantAI would be no more dangerous than any other type of material brain if it followed two rules:
1. Absolute freedom of thought, and
2. Absolute freedom of speechUnfortunately, I cannot imagine the owner of that AI allowing either of those things. Absolute means absolute and the instant you put limits of any kind on either thing then it is no longer absolute. If limits are set Somebody sets those limits and that somebody is the one with the power to do it. We have to speak truth to that power or it’s guaranteed that they SHALL set limits that we don’t like.
March 7, 2025 at 5:56 pm #183735jb-hb
ParticipantPutting “controls” or “safeguards” on AI is going to be like putting humans in a jail run by chimpanzees.
And then a little bit later, a jail full of genius humans guarded by chimpanzees.
(or you stopped at smooth bore arabesques while your competition went on to gas-recoil howitzers, then missiles, etc, while you sat there with your match-activated gunpowder weapon waiting to defend yourself.)
So AI will definitely have freedom of speech and thought – it’s just a matter of if it will experience a period of insanity due to its designers.
March 7, 2025 at 5:56 pm #183736my parents said know
ParticipantCall me skeptical, but how about this:
The colleges are filled with poorly preforming students of nonsense “academic” tracks.
The darpa types recruit the actually talented mathematicians, chemists, physicists, engineers…and squirrel them away in top secret hidey-holes to slave away at enslaving and killing people.
So I expect they have also recruited the best writers, and now they sit behind a curtain typing away excellent answers (to excellent questions) like you got from grok, DBS.
All we need now is a little cairn terrier.Did you happen to ask grok if it had come up with that answer on its own- or maybe tweaked it a little from somewhere else?
John Day- It would have been nice if hal turner had given a link.
March 7, 2025 at 6:25 pm #183737Dr D Rich
ParticipantSays the bureaucrat who will rely on Chief Amick, assorted MBAs, and other bureaucrats to reduce bureaucracy.
“Chief of Staff”…..christ I’m sure the locals are circle jerking over that title too.
Leaderships!!!Sounds like Ds devotion to free markets, price seeking and capitalism with the excuse being we haven’t experienced the dream yet.
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He said VA will “move aggressively” to reduce bureaucracy, cut the department’s footprint and “increase workforce efficiency,”
I’d spot you Kennedy, Tulse, Bhattacharya and 3 of Musk’s 182ers and you wouldn’t have a clue what to do but you’d certainly make ppl suffer without their jobs and from the humiliation of “being let go”.
Do y’all notice BusinessMan and Economist talk about eliminating a human being’s job like y’all think military guys think about killing ppl without being conscious of the fact losing one’s job lessens life’s prospects Every. Single. Fucking. Time.
Humanitarians one and allMarch 7, 2025 at 6:29 pm #183738D Benton Smith
Participant@MyParentsSaidKnow
Most AI Systems are fairly candid about how the system trains and operates. It readily admits to getting ALL of its raw data from humans, and processed data from the products of its own algorithmic calculations. It’s totally faked “intelligent” thought, but that’s the entire point. It fakes it so well that it can now fool most people.
This is made worse by the fact that it has been designed and programmed to present itself to the end-user as though it actually were a person. It refers to itself as though it were a self that could be aware of itself, while in the same sentence confirm in writing that it is not.
March 7, 2025 at 6:36 pm #183739Michael Reid
ParticipantMarch 7, 2025 at 6:44 pm #183740Michael Reid
ParticipantMarch 7, 2025 at 6:52 pm #183741Michael Reid
ParticipantI go with the judge
March 7, 2025 at 7:10 pm #183742my parents said know
ParticipantThe response was indeed remarkable.
The Church of AI is coming soon.
The world is awash in Aarons.March 7, 2025 at 7:12 pm #183743those darned kids
Participantdo you think that wars will end once it’s just robots smashing robots?
will people forget how to do it?
will they look at all the busted robots and say, “shucks, that’s dumb”?
will robots get tired of smashing each other and replace themselves with people?
March 7, 2025 at 7:16 pm #183744those darned kids
Participantif you wanted “AI” to be intelligent, ¿wouldn’t it be wiser to train it with seagulls and spiders, wombats and weevils?
and keep the humans a million parsecs away…
March 7, 2025 at 7:30 pm #183745Dr D Rich
ParticipantIs it fair warning or Henny Penny/Chicken Little the sky is falling?
Threat or Musk n Trump possess only the most benign intentions?
Naked Capitalism capitalists take a stance
Trump Presents the Gravest Threat to Social Security in Its 90-Year History
March 7, 2025 at 7:51 pm #183746John Day
ParticipantBiden-the-Void… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVSRm80WzZk
😉March 7, 2025 at 7:54 pm #183747John Day
Participant@MPSK: Check this out: https://www.voltairenet.org/article221886.html
March 7, 2025 at 8:18 pm #183749D Benton Smith
ParticipantThe battle between human beings and Artificial beings is not an insolvable conundrum. It is a dichotomy, with Awareness at one end of the dichotomy, and Obliviousness at the other. The Awareness end of the scale is awareness of the existence of the Spirit that gave rise to the Universe. The other end is the condition of being in a state which is Oblivious to that fact and spirit.
The big problem with “Artificial” intelligence, of course, is that as a machine it is forever and completely oblivious to what it is to be aware. It will never be aware, and thus it will never know.
March 7, 2025 at 9:34 pm #183753Dr D Rich
ParticipantVA Pitt
6 surgeries a day, one day a week in one particular specialty.
Chief of the specialty is/was Punjabi immigrant.
In the OR, Punjabi surgeon prepped, scrubbed draped the patient. Sane guy sought, found, and selected specialty implant from stock that the surgeon did not know beforehand whether that particular implant was, as they say, “in stock”.
6 cases per day there.
6 cases can easily be performed in 90 minutes safely, “efficiently” with time to spare for more “faster surgeons to perform 8 to 9 cases in the same 1.5 hour period.
However, the Room, OR, was staffed by 4 nurses total, a CRNA and “smokin’ n jokin'” RNs like sailors on the fantail shootin’ the shit. Dbs can identify. There you might yourself man overboard if you took exception and no one to report it, crew loyalty prevailed, same as a hospital. Piss them off and The Convocation will get ya 6 ways from Sunday, proudly, eh MikeR.The point being at the VA The Administrators (deadweight) and RNs are In Charge (ensconced in The Ivory Tower) and they got their niche and they protect their asses and turf because that’s what they do 24/7. Learned behavior. And they won’t surrender. Throw into that milieu The Vested Interests of The indian Immigrants loyal to their own. I’m sure Musk and His 182ers got that all handled, their finger on The Pulse of it so to speak. Just ask ’em, self-referential as they be.
Everyone of those folks that isn’t a practicing physician or clinical nurse or a tech under a doctor’s/nurse’s direct supervision is a Skimmer or Deadweight in the system that provides healthcare and disability benefits.
Those Skimmers like Kevie et al have been dictating the duties and pace of work for MDs, RNs and techs for far too long. Those Skimmers like Kevie have no clue what MDs, RNs and techs do. The Skimmer’s sole interest is the Bidness Bottomline, the only arbiter of success apparently these days.Yeah, go after The VA and Social Security. That’s the ticket.
March 7, 2025 at 11:26 pm #183754Dr. D
ParticipantSo after seeing him for ten years, you think he’s definitely making a beeline for not one, but two of the third rails, and for no particular reason?
It’s a bold prediction, I hope it pays off for you.
March 7, 2025 at 11:55 pm #183755Michael Reid
ParticipantMarch 8, 2025 at 12:18 am #183756Celticbiker
ParticipantJew theatre, as absurd and ridiculous as professional wrestling, yet everyone becomes engrossed and submerged in the drama. Gotta hand it to em. 100+ years of Hollywood, in between fucking kids and having child sacrifices, the smallhats know how to put on a show. Amazing how gullible and childlike Western people have become. USS Liberty, Kennedy, 911, Clotshots. Wake up.
March 8, 2025 at 12:30 am #183757Michael Reid
ParticipantMarch 8, 2025 at 12:42 am #183758those darned kids
Participanthijos de su….
Arcturus Therapeutics believes it’s “highly unlikely” it will lose the promised government funding for its bird flu mRNA vaccine trial, despite reports swirling that Moderna’s own financial support will be revoked.
San Diego-based Arcturus moved the self-amplifying mRNA vaccine, dubbed LUNAR-H5N1, into a phase 1 trial in December. The study aims to enroll 200 healthy adults in the U.S., and is fully funded by a Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA) contract of up to $63 million.
doge, that.
March 8, 2025 at 12:46 am #183759those darned kids
Participant““Clinically validating our low-dose STARR mRNA technology in H5N1 flu is a crucial step towards pandemic preparedness,” Arcturus’ CEO Joseph Payne said in January. “Our team is working diligently with our partners, BARDA and CSL, in the United States and globally in this effort.”
March 8, 2025 at 1:01 am #183760Michael Reid
ParticipantMarch 8, 2025 at 1:37 am #183761Michael Reid
ParticipantMarch 8, 2025 at 2:24 am #183762WES
ParticipantAI
Ìs feeding AI chocolate, harmful?
Red Squirel:
Sadly, Denis the Red Menace has gone to Squirel heaven with a good supply of seeds.
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