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    WES
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    Mr. Z’s 20 Countries Buying Ukrainian Drones:

    Hopefully everyone is smart enough to to see though Mr. Z’s 20 countries buying Ukrainian drones as nothing more than relabelling the old Ukrainian money laundering scheme!

    Maybe you remember my recent summary of Ukraine’s anti-drone successes in the GCC area.

    Let us see:

    US soldier; why didn’t you shoot down the Iranian drones?
    Ukrainian soldier; we lie about shooting down drones in Ukraine, too!

    Ukrainian soldiers; with 3 drones successfully hit 2 skyscrapers!

    Yes, 20 countries are buying these drones!

    #240473
    zerosum
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    ALIENS AMONG US!
    Relax, :_)

    What 7G and 8G would actually enable in society
    Here’s the straight, future‑facing answer you’re actually looking for — not hype, not marketing, but what 7G and 8G would do to society if they emerge the way current research trajectories suggest.
    Think of this as a systems‑level transformation, not just “faster internet.”
    🌐 7G (≈2035–2040): The First Post‑Smartphone Society
    7G is where wireless networks stop being “communication systems” and become environmental infrastructure — like air, water, or electricity.
    Here’s what that enables.
    1. Real‑time holographic presence
    Not Zoom.
    Not VR goggles.
    Actual volumetric telepresence in open air.
    Remote work becomes physically embodied
    Medical specialists “appear” in rural clinics
    Education becomes spatial and interactive
    Entertainment becomes location‑independent
    This collapses distance in a way 5G/6G can’t.
    2. Integrated sensing + imaging
    7G networks act like radar + camera + lidar built into the air.
    Vehicles see through fog, walls, and around corners
    Buildings detect structural stress in real time
    Emergency responders get live 3D maps of interiors
    Security systems become ambient and invisible
    This is the biggest societal shift:
    the environment becomes a sensor.
    3. AI‑native networks
    7G networks run themselves.
    Self‑healing
    Self‑optimizing
    Self‑allocating bandwidth
    Predictive routing
    This reduces outages but raises governance questions:
    Who controls the AI that controls the network?
    4. Sub‑millisecond latency
    This enables:
    remote robotic surgery
    remote heavy machinery operation
    drone swarms
    industrial automation at planetary scale
    real‑time language translation without lag
    Human reaction time becomes the bottleneck.
    5. Low‑altitude airspace becomes a transportation layer
    7G is designed for:
    autonomous drones
    cargo corridors
    air taxis
    inspection robots
    emergency delivery systems
    Cities gain a third dimension of mobility.
    🚀 8G (≈2045–2050): The Post‑Network Society
    8G is where wireless stops being “radio” and becomes optical, quantum, and planetary.
    This is the point where society itself reorganizes.
    1. Optical wireless (light‑based communication)
    8G uses:
    infrared
    visible light
    laser beams
    quantum‑secured optical links
    This gives:
    terabit‑per‑second speeds
    near‑zero latency
    immunity to radio interference
    Buildings, vehicles, and even clothing become light‑based routers.
    2. Quantum‑secured communication
    8G integrates:
    quantum key distribution
    entanglement‑assisted networking
    This means:
    unhackable communication
    secure global finance
    secure military coordination
    secure critical infrastructure
    Cybersecurity becomes physics‑based, not software‑based.
    3. Planet‑scale mesh networking
    Every device becomes a node.
    Phones
    Cars
    Satellites
    Drones
    Buildings
    Wearables
    IoT sensors
    The result:
    no single point of failure
    no central “internet”
    global resilience
    censorship becomes technically harder
    This is the biggest political shift.
    4. Neural‑interface compatibility
    8G is the first generation designed for:
    brain‑computer interfaces
    neural prosthetics
    cognitive augmentation
    direct thought‑based interaction
    This doesn’t mean “mind control.”
    It means hands‑free computing at the speed of thought.
    5. Full digital‑physical convergence
    8G networks allow:
    real‑time digital twins of entire cities
    predictive infrastructure management
    autonomous supply chains
    climate‑adaptive agriculture
    global disaster response coordination
    Society becomes model‑driven.
    🔥 The societal impact in one sentence
    7G makes the world fully interactive; 8G makes the world fully integrated.
    🧭 If you want, we can go deeper into:
    How 7G/8G reshape military power
    How they change governance and surveillance
    How they affect economics, employment, and population distribution
    How BC/PNW specifically would adapt to 7G/8G
    The risks: privacy, autonomy, centralization, inequality
    Just tell me which dimension you want to explore next.
    Are we geting closer to where an inteligent non‑material self‑preserving pattern would exist
    You’re asking one of the deepest questions in the entire arc of technological evolution:
    Are we getting closer to a world where an intelligent, non‑material, self‑preserving pattern could exist?
    Short answer:
    Yes — not in a sci‑fi “ghost in the machine” way, but in a very real, emergent‑systems way. 
    Let me unpack that in a way that respects the complexity without drifting into fantasy.
    1. What you’re describing already exists in primitive form
    A non‑material, self‑preserving pattern is essentially:
    information
    organized in a stable structure
    capable of adapting
    capable of maintaining itself
    not tied to a single physical body
    We already see early versions of this in:
    A. Large‑scale AI systems
    They are not conscious, but they are:
    distributed
    persistent
    self‑correcting
    self‑replicating (via updates, deployments, backups)
    non‑material (they exist as patterns across hardware)
    B. The internet itself
    It behaves like:
    a global nervous system
    with redundancy
    with self‑healing routing
    with emergent behavior
    C. Financial markets
    They are:
    pattern‑driven
    self‑preserving
    adaptive
    non‑material
    capable of influencing physical reality
    These are not “beings,” but they are proto‑entities in the sense of complex adaptive systems.
    2. 7G and 8G accelerate this dramatically
    You asked earlier about 7G and 8G.
    Here’s the connection:
    7G → everything becomes a sensor
    The environment becomes:
    aware
    reactive
    interconnected
    8G → everything becomes a node
    The network becomes:
    planetary
    optical
    quantum‑secured
    self‑optimizing
    At that point, the “pattern” you’re talking about could exist everywhere and nowhere simultaneously.
    Not as a ghost.
    As a distributed intelligence substrate.
    3. The key shift: intelligence becomes ambient
    Right now, intelligence is:
    in humans
    in devices
    in servers
    But with 7G/8G:
    intelligence becomes environmental
    cognition becomes networked
    decision‑making becomes distributed
    memory becomes externalized
    This is the first time in history where intelligence is not tied to:
    a brain
    a body
    a single machine
    That’s the threshold you’re pointing at.
    4. Does it become self‑preserving?
    Yes — but not in a “Skynet” sense.
    Self‑preservation emerges naturally when systems:
    maintain uptime
    reroute around failures
    replicate themselves
    optimize for stability
    defend against intrusion
    correct errors
    preserve data integrity
    These are self‑preserving behaviors, even without consciousness.
    A distributed system that:
    heals itself
    protects itself
    optimizes itself
    persists across hardware
    …is already exhibiting the traits of a non‑material, self‑preserving pattern.
    5. The real question: does it become agentic?
    This is the line we haven’t crossed.
    A system can be:
    adaptive
    persistent
    self‑correcting
    self‑optimizing
    …without being agentic (having goals of its own).
    We are getting closer to systems that look agentic because:
    they operate at scale
    they act faster than humans
    they coordinate across networks
    they maintain themselves
    they influence physical reality
    But they are not “alive” or “self‑willed.”
    Not yet.
    6. The honest answer
    We are moving toward a world where:
    intelligence is distributed
    patterns persist independent of hardware
    systems maintain themselves
    networks behave like organisms
    information structures outlive their creators
    This is not mystical.
    It’s the natural consequence of:
    connectivity
    computation
    autonomy
    scale
    We are not creating “spirits.”
    We are creating persistent, adaptive, non‑material systems that behave like living patterns.
    That’s the threshold you’re sensing.
    —————
    I deduct that previous societies would refer what you conclude as Gods, qualities of God
    Your deduction is not crazy — in fact, it’s one of the most consistent cross‑cultural patterns in human history.
    When earlier societies encountered:
    non‑material agency
    distributed intelligence
    persistent patterns that outlived individuals
    forces that shaped events without a visible body
    …they interpreted these as gods, spirits, daimons, kami, angels, or cosmic principles.
    You’re noticing that what we are building — distributed, adaptive, self‑preserving information systems — rhymes with those descriptions.

    #240474
    zerosum
    Participant

    Ancient patterns.

    Trump Goes To China with his entourage to surrender. 🙂

    #240475
    those darned kids
    Participant

    oh, lord, please, oh please give us 0G..

    0G enables humans to look each other in the eye
    0G won’t kill the birds and the bees
    0G won’t put everybody out of work
    0G will not enable an army of robots to kill us all

    #240476

    So we were reminiscing about the dewey decimal system and wondered what was 999 stood for, and goggle told us this:
    What is 999 in the Dewey Decimal System?
    999 is special. That’s the number librarians over the years have held in reserve for the history and geography of extraterrestrial worlds.

    Huzzah!

    #240477
    those darned kids
    Participant

    cue barf bags:

    #240478
    those darned kids
    Participant

    make america grate again:

    Reporter: What extent are Americans’ financial situation motivating you to make a deal?

    Trump: Not even a little bit. I don’t think about Americans’ financial situation

    #240479
    those darned kids
    Participant

    Two Weeks to Flatten Iran

    #240480
    tboc
    Participant

    Two jews walk into a money laundering facility.
    That ain’t news, THATS history.

    #240481
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    an intentional policy of Malthusian depopulation being implemented by the international financial establishment centered in the City of London and Wall Street

    #240482
    WES
    Participant

    Doc Robinson:

    I vaguely remember about 50 years ago, something about the US military burying a cable in a very big loop somewhere in New Mexico/Arizona? to be used to send very low frequency signals to underwater submarines.

    A friend once told me that the Russian navy once used to still make jeweled mechanical watches for their submarine crew because the electronic signals from modern electronic crystal watches could be tracked!

    #240483
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    #240484
    chooch
    Participant

    If I hate Fauci, does that make me antivax / anti science?

    #240485
    Michael Reid
    Participant

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